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John Kierein
2006-Mar-14, 02:10 PM
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/p/758/1P195468370EDN65C3P2365L5M1.HTML

Ain't Mars neat?

ToSeek
2006-Mar-14, 04:03 PM
Beneath is a hatch like the one on Lost. ;)

ryanmercer
2006-Mar-14, 05:06 PM
Ought oh... I can already hear the conspiracy nuts... "see see we told you it's all just a film set!"

jt-3d
2006-Mar-15, 12:07 AM
That sure is a straight edge on that thing. I'll get the dynamite. Let's see what's under that sucker.

suttsteve
2006-Mar-15, 12:22 AM
Hmm. Is that a natural formation? If so, it kind of blows the "no right angles in nature" argument out of the water.

trinitree88
2006-Mar-15, 12:31 AM
That's an awfully strange-looking pair of orthogonal edges for a natural formation.:shifty: .interesting Pete.

Ara Pacis
2006-Mar-15, 12:33 AM
It's proof that the bimini road leads from earth to mars... :D

trinitree88
2006-Mar-15, 01:24 AM
Ah! News flash. The robotic arm lifted up the door and there was.......
Osama Bin Laden, eating couscous, rice, and curried chicken, with a few pieces of baklava for desert....:D pete

granolaeater
2006-Mar-15, 01:43 AM
Hmm. Is that a natural formation? If so, it kind of blows the "no right angles in nature" argument out of the water.

Ragarding right angles in nature:

natural occuring pyrite:
http://www.tucsonshowplace.net/piritas_de_navajun.htm
http://weblog.garyturner.net/archives/2003_10.html
http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/earth/geology/min_pyrite.html

natural occuring gypsum:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/787776.stm

natural occuring basalt:
http://www.zitaglio.com/globustour/giantscauseway.htm

John Kierein
2006-Mar-15, 02:30 AM
http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/pics/dawn07.jpg

2001. Who knew the Odyssey would be a Honda minivan, HAL? Monolith anyone?
Daisy Daisy.
A. C. Clarke warned us to leave Europa alone, little did he know NASA's budget to Mars would be such a help in cancelling Europa missions.

WHOOPS, THIS LINK REDIRECTS; ANYHOW, GO TO http://www.palantir.net/2001 GALLERY AND DAWN OF MAN TO LOOK AT THE IMAGES OF THE MONOLITH.

mickal555
2006-Mar-15, 12:08 PM
wow thats an amazing image!

Freaky...

Mephisto
2006-Mar-15, 12:41 PM
Does anybody have a satisfactory explanation of what could have caused such an odd shape? Could it simply be the imprint of the rovers landing place?

The line to the left of the picture seems to be too straight to be the edge of a rock, but I can't for the life of me imagine what else it could be.

ryanmercer
2006-Mar-15, 01:31 PM
Does anybody have a satisfactory explanation of what could have caused such an odd shape? Could it simply be the imprint of the rovers landing place?

The line to the left of the picture seems to be too straight to be the edge of a rock, but I can't for the life of me imagine what else it could be.

To me it looks like soil that has been sun baked. It usually does nice jobs of forming nice squares. Especially looking at the 2 other formations in the foreground that are similiar... makes me think the soil is just different there, was moist at one time, and was baked. However that is just my opinion... but I am no pedologist or morphologist.

antoniseb
2006-Mar-15, 01:33 PM
Does anybody have a satisfactory explanation of what could have caused such an odd shape?

The area that this feature is in has a layer of salty material that has been fractured by impacts (and perhaps other processes). You may have been looking at the images from Opportunity over the last year and seen many many blocks on the surface with straight edges. This one just happens to have nearly orthogonal breaks. No machining required, just some searching, or luck.

Romanus
2006-Mar-15, 05:51 PM
They should be careful; it might lead to Utumno.

;)

John Kierein
2006-Apr-01, 01:47 PM
april fool?

snabald
2006-Apr-01, 05:25 PM
april fool?
Nah, I saw that same pic like two weeks ago in another thread.

The rover should do a chemical analysis on it, it's a rather interesting formation.

TuTone
2006-Apr-01, 11:06 PM
That is an amazing picture

snabald
2006-Apr-01, 11:31 PM
Looking at it some more, could it be some sort of sediment (think like what gets deposited in a delta) that has dried up and cracked?

Joe87
2006-Apr-02, 04:29 AM
This photo reminds me of the first summer after I moved into a new house, during a dry spell the grass wilted in a nice rectangular pattern in the front lawn. Turned out to be a sheet of plywood 3 buried inches below the surface.

ToSeek
2006-Apr-04, 02:55 PM
Nah, I saw that same pic like two weeks ago in another thread.

The rover should do a chemical analysis on it, it's a rather interesting formation.

The rover has moved well along since that image was taken.

Ken G
2006-Apr-04, 04:10 PM
Fools, don't you see what this means? It was the Martians who invented baseball!

snabald
2006-Apr-04, 05:02 PM
The rover has moved well along since that image was taken.
Thats too bad... :(

I would love to know what kind of involvement water had with the creation of this feature.

jt-3d
2006-Apr-05, 01:14 AM
This is a pretty good argument for manned space flight. If there were astronauts up there, they could pull out the trowels and have a look under that thing. The robot merely gets to look and drive away. I imagine this has been added to the long list of stuff to look at if we ever get people up there.

Ken G
2006-Apr-05, 04:45 AM
I would rather say that this is exactly why we don't need manned space flight. A robot found it in the first place, and a robot could be outfitted with said trowels, all at a fraction of the cost and without the risk of human tragedy.

jt-3d
2006-Apr-05, 06:44 AM
Oh please, are we going to outfit a robot to go up and explore that one rock? Wouldn't it be better to have somebody up there that can think on their feet, in real time? Now do I think somebody should risk their life just to look under that rock? no. What is your point?

My point is that we would already know what we wanted abouut that rock by now if an astronaut was up there.

jlhredshift
2006-Apr-05, 01:00 PM
I have seen similar formations made of blue-gray shale in the Grand River valley in northern Ohio which were also surrounded by piled breccia and sand. Water deposition and later erosion is consistent with this formation, but not a proof of it.

Ken G
2006-Apr-06, 03:26 AM
Oh please, are we going to outfit a robot to go up and explore that one rock?

Most likely we would have a list of rocks in mind, but yes, in effect, that is exactly what we should do.


Wouldn't it be better to have somebody up there that can think on their feet, in real time? Now do I think somebody should risk their life just to look under that rock? no. What is your point?

If I could waive a magic wand and have an astronaut there, yes, that would be great. But my point is, this is the real world, and real decisions must be made about how we should explore Mars. And that answer is, we should explore Mars exclusively with robots. Any other decision will be catastrophic to the goal of Mars exploration. Not just detrimental, as were the Space Shuttle and the ISS to space science in general, but catastrophic.

jt-3d
2006-Apr-06, 09:59 PM
Ok, I just think that if we have people willing to go, the teams to design the ship and somebody to foot the bill, I say we should go. I'd settle for a whole bunch more robots though. I just want some quantity. A couple new bots on Mars, those others can't last forever, and some more scattered throughout the solar system.

John Kierein
2006-May-26, 12:37 PM
Monument in foreground:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/830/1N201868841EFF71DPP0705R0M1.HTML

Looks like a 3D block, but is probably an illusion?

hhEb09'1
2006-May-28, 01:55 AM
Monument in foreground:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/830/1N201868841EFF71DPP0705R0M1.HTML

Looks like a 3D block, but is probably an illusion?Not sure, I may not see what it is you mean. The shadows?

antoniseb
2006-Jun-01, 01:05 PM
I'm not sure I see what you mean by shadows either.

hhEb09'1
2006-Jun-01, 07:24 PM
I'm not sure I see what you mean by shadows either.There are shadows in the image that comes up when I click on the link. Perhaps John is interpreting something in them as a 3D block.

mickal555
2006-Jun-03, 01:29 AM
I can see a distinctive block, it's just shadows though...

snarkophilus
2006-Jun-03, 08:55 AM
Looks like a Bosnian pyramid to me. A great explanation of how stuff like this can happen was referred to in another thread, along with tons of pretty pictures:

http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.php?p=747062&postcount=176