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ToSeek
2002-Jan-10, 05:13 PM
Green. (http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991775)

Donnie B.
2002-Jan-10, 08:05 PM
Hmmm... since the "missing mass" makes up at least 90% of the matter in the universe, and it's not luminous, wouldn't a more accurate answer be:

Black

?

ToSeek
2002-Jan-10, 08:07 PM
Maybe a sort of greenish black. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

SeanF
2002-Jan-10, 08:12 PM
Black's not a color, it's an absence of color. If you're going to count that, then all you've got to do is go outside and look up at night to realize that the universe, in general, is not lit! /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Donnie B.
2002-Jan-10, 08:31 PM
On 2002-01-10 15:12, SeanF wrote:
Black's not a color, it's an absence of color.


Don't try to tell that to the Crayola company.

The Curtmudgeon
2002-Jan-10, 08:42 PM
Hey, guys! I think you're all missing the point here. Don't you want to rush right home and paint your bedroom cosmic spectrum green!? Or is that "cosmic spectrum sort-of-turquoise-not-quite-aquamarine"?

The (it's almost enough to make you wish to be colour-blind) Curtmudgeon

Donnie B.
2002-Jan-10, 10:56 PM
Now that you mention it, it is a really hurl-inducing color.

I know... I'll wait until the redshift drops it to a nice dark orange, then paint the bedroom /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Wiley
2002-Jan-10, 11:12 PM
Now when someone asks "What color is the sky in your world?", we shall henceforth reply "hurl-inducing green".

ToSeek
2002-Jan-11, 12:57 PM
On 2002-01-10 15:42, The Curtmudgeon wrote:
Hey, guys! I think you're all missing the point here. Don't you want to rush right home and paint your bedroom cosmic spectrum green!? Or is that "cosmic spectrum sort-of-turquoise-not-quite-aquamarine"?


I'm half-expecting it to be the next fashion trend. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

GrapesOfWrath
2002-Jan-11, 02:31 PM
That link (http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991775) says that the RGB values of the <font color="#A4ECCC">cosmic colour</font> are 0.269, 0.388 and 0.342. What system is that? I'm seeing it as hex A4ECCC.

<font size=-1>[Re-coloured to make it more readable]</font>

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: GrapesOfWrath on 2002-01-11 09:34 ]</font>

Simon
2002-Jan-11, 02:38 PM
Actually, you can't take that color for granted. There are only a limited range of colors internet browsers can show accurately; other colors get messed up or switched to the closest color that can be shown.

GrapesOfWrath
2002-Jan-11, 02:48 PM
On 2002-01-11 09:38, Simon wrote:
Actually, you can't take that color for granted. There are only a limited range of colors internet browsers can show accurately; other colors get messed up or switched to the closest color that can be shown.

Not all browsers mess up the colors. Of course, colors can be affected by one's personal settings. I downloaded and saved a copy of the illustration (a .jpg file) from that webpage, and looked at the color settings in that file. Does anybody else see it as diferent than hex A4ECCC?

Argos
2002-Jan-11, 03:33 PM
A good colour for a BMW cabrio. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

David Hall
2002-Jan-11, 03:49 PM
Interesting. They say this result backs up the findings that I posted earlier that early star formation may have happened quickly.

ToSeek
2002-Jan-11, 03:52 PM
On 2002-01-11 10:33, Argos wrote:
A good colour for a BMW cabrio. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif


Come to think of it, there's a brand of bicycles that are notorious for being about that color.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: ToSeek on 2002-01-11 10:52 ]</font>

Bob S.
2002-Jan-11, 04:01 PM
Okay, I saved the JPG and converted it to a BMP. Using Paintbrush, I picked the color with the eyedropper, and editing the color, it shows it as Red: 162, Green: 232, Blue: 204. Using Windows and adjusting the background color, it comes out as...
ick. It'll take some getting used to. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

GrapesOfWrath
2002-Jan-11, 04:08 PM
On 2002-01-11 11:01, Bob S. wrote:
Red: 162, Green: 232, Blue: 204.
Yep, hex A4ECCC.

Hey, anyone else thinking that those last three letters in the hex stand for Cosmic Colour Conspiracy? No? <font size=-1>OK, no need to shout.</font>

SeanF
2002-Jan-11, 04:14 PM
On 2002-01-11 11:08, GrapesOfWrath wrote:


On 2002-01-11 11:01, Bob S. wrote:
Red: 162, Green: 232, Blue: 204.
Yep, hex A4ECCC.

Hey, anyone else thinking that those last three letters in the hex stand for Cosmic Colour Conspiracy? No? <font size=-1>OK, no need to shout.</font>


Actually, those numbers (which are what shows up on my machine as well), work out to A2E8CC rather than A4ECCC. Close, but not exactly the same.

The ratios of those numbers (162, 232, and 204) are very close to the ratios of the numbers given on the website (.269, .388, .342), but I'm not sure what computer system(s) use the fractional numbers like that . . .

Donnie B.
2002-Jan-11, 04:17 PM
Odd...

If you take the three decimal values given in the article as being normalized to 1 (that is, pure white is 1, 1, 1), then the RGB values work out to be 69, 99, 88 (on a
scale of 0-255), or 45, 63, 58 (hex).

On my monitor, the result is a rather pleasant greenish-gray.

Wonder where the higher values came from?

Argos
2002-Jan-11, 04:22 PM
On 2002-01-11 11:01, Bob S. wrote:
Using Paintbrush, I picked the color with the eyedropper, and editing the color, it shows it as Red: 162, Green: 232, Blue: 204




On 2002-01-11 11:01, Grapes Of Wrath wrote:

Not all browsers mess up the colors. Of course, colors can be affected by one's personal settings. I downloaded and saved a copy of the illustration (a .jpg file) from that webpage, and looked at the color settings in that file. Does anybody else see it as diferent than hex A4ECCC?



My Corel Photo editor tells me that the colour is R160, G230, B206. In PANTONE Match system it is the reference 332 CV. In hexa, A0E6CF

GrapesOfWrath
2002-Jan-11, 05:01 PM
Arg, missed that somehow. Mis-read, instead of re-calculated.

When I opened the .jpg file in Photoshop, it shows (176, 236, 212)! When it converts it to .bmp, it still says (176, 236, 212), but Paint says it is (162, 232, 204) as you guys got. Lviewpro says it is (164, 236, 204), my old values.

Here's a color space faq (ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/graphics/colorspace-faq)

By the way, there is a second graphic at the bottom that shows an evolution of cosmic color, from blue to the current color. It shows the current color as much darker.

<font size=-1>[Added by-the-way]</font>

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: GrapesOfWrath on 2002-01-11 12:38 ]</font>

ljbrs
2002-Jan-12, 12:25 AM
Color?

The visual spectrum is a mere sliver of the total electromagnetic spectrum. Most of the colors used for the non-visual portions of the electromagnetic spectrum are not *colors* as we know (and view) them. The rest of the wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum do not meet the usual requirements for *color*.

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ljbrs
2002-Jan-12, 12:30 AM
Oh, yes, I must not forget the dark matter and dark energy which, combined, seem to make up the greatest portion of the mass of the universe. Neutrinos are exceedingly numerous and the virtual particles which annihilate each other in a blaze of glory are all a part of this dark matter/energy.

ljbrs

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Simon
2002-Jan-12, 10:03 AM
Yep. When I open it in Photoshop it gives the RGB as 162, 232, 204 (surgical appliance green, ick). In hex it's A2E8CC.

I have no clue what image system would use decimal numbering like that. Anyone want to email the site and ask that they post the numbers in hex?

GrapesOfWrath
2002-Jan-12, 10:36 AM
I found this webpage (http://www.aas.org/%7Epress/photos199/color.html) on the AAS website. It's a press photo (http://www.aas.org/%7Epress/photos199/color.html) of Ivan Baldry pointing to the color on a chart. They describe it as a pale turquoise--and that picture looks more like that, to me.

I couldn't find their report in the abstracts, though.

Update: OK, found this Hopkins webpage (http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~kgb/cosspec/) where the authors explain some of their methodology. They refer to Color rendering of spectra (http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/specrend/). Their range of perceptual shades (http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~kgb/cosspec/cosspec-ramp.png) graphic makes it seem like what Donnie B. did was on the money--they just brightened it up a bit. So, you can use (69, 99, 87) or (164, 236, 208).

<font size=-1>[Added Update]</font>

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: GrapesOfWrath on 2002-01-12 05:54 ]</font>

ljbrs
2002-Jan-15, 01:58 AM
Very, very pretty! I always liked that shade of blue/green from early childhood. Perhaps there was a COSMIC reason for my liking this specific color. I guess that this was the average of the visible spectrum, since the rest of the electromagnetic spectrum does not radiate in visible light.

ljbrs /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

ToSeek
2002-Jan-15, 03:02 PM
On 2002-01-14 20:58, ljbrs wrote:
Very, very pretty! I always liked that shade of blue/green from early childhood. Perhaps there was a COSMIC reason for my liking this specific color.


You are a child of the universe. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Kaptain K
2002-Jan-15, 03:35 PM
You are a child of the universe.
You were meant to be here. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

ToSeek
2002-Mar-07, 02:59 PM
<strike>Green</strike> Beige.
(http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992013)

Roy Batty
2002-Mar-07, 03:17 PM
Arrgh! beige.. now that explains much about life /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Btw I tried looking at the page in Netscape & Explorer but the new colour doesnt display, is it just me? (Not that i really want to see it, much preferred the old one!)

GrapesOfWrath
2002-Mar-07, 03:30 PM
Looked good to me. I mean...O, nevermind.

Phobos
2002-Mar-08, 05:25 PM
Very, very, very, very, interesting ....

and WRONG

For the true colour of the universe, try clicking on the link below;

Correction (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1861000/1861957.stm)

OK so someone made a mistake, it happens to us all at some time or another but theres no harm in a little wry smile.

So the true colour of the universe is,

sort of starish white!

Phobos

GrapesOfWrath
2002-Mar-08, 05:40 PM
Let's not be too hard on Phobos, I'm guessing it didn't realize that there was a page two on this topic.

Bob S.
2002-Mar-12, 04:53 PM
Okay okay, here we go again.

for ToSeek's beige, the pallet settings are:
Hue: 28
Sat: 218
Lum: 230
Red: 254
Green: 248
Blue: 234

For Phobos' beige, the settings are:
Hue: 29
Sat: 240
Lum: 228
Red: 255
Green: 248
Blue: 230

Take your pick.

ToSeek
2002-Mar-13, 01:57 PM
The Washington Post (Style section) laments the choice of colors for the universe:

The Universe, in Need of a Good Decorator (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16869-2002Mar12.html)

SeanF
2002-Mar-30, 10:04 PM
Just happened to be going through this week's TV Guide (the one with Celine Dion on the cover) and found this quote from Conan O'Brien:

"The color of the universe is not turquoise, as previously thought, but beige - although scientists said sometimes the universe wears black to hide the fact it's expanding."

/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

ljbrs
2002-Mar-31, 03:48 PM
It is surprising to me that there would be any color at all, but, I suppose color only refers to the visible spectrum. The rest of the electromagnetic spectrum evidentally does not count when it comes to color.

Green was my favorite color as a child. I later turned to blue (for the sky, perhaps) when I was older.

Right now, I tend to like ultraviolet or, perhaps infrared, as possible alternatives. Of course, they are both invisible without detectors -- but what the heck? I will put on my special electromagnetic-detecting spectacles and enjoy. Gamma rays, anyone?

ljbrs /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

David Simmons
2002-Apr-02, 01:41 AM
Here's an article about this subject that I found interesting. It also talks some about color vision in general. http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-000023305apr01.story?coll=la%2Dnews%2Dscience

George
2003-Sep-08, 03:14 PM
It all seems like 80% hype. (The other 20% is a "dark" to me).

Just because an average peak in the cosmos spectrum is determined does not mean we would enjoy seing that color. (So I am told).

The sun has a pretty strong peak in the blue region but, supposedly, the other colors combine to make the sun look "white" when atmospheric effects are eliminated.

So...what you get isn't what you see! :o :-?

Kaptain K
2003-Sep-08, 07:10 PM
The sun has a pretty strong peak in the blue region...

The Sun peaks in the green, but it is a broad peak, so the Sun appears white. 8)

George
2003-Sep-08, 11:40 PM
The Sun peaks in the green, but it is a broad peak, so the Sun appears white. 8)

I'm sure you are right. But I saw a peak at 4500 Angstroms and a color chart showing 4500 at blue and was (and still am) confussed.

Went to nasa and can't find the color chart I need. Ya got one?

mike alexander
2003-Sep-08, 11:56 PM
What Color is Your Universe? A Survival Guide to the Cosmology Business.

ToSeek
2003-Dec-22, 06:18 PM
It was blue. (http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/old_universe_blue.html)

Just another sign that things have been going downhill over time.

George
2003-Dec-22, 06:36 PM
Guess what?

The color got revised from turquoise to beige...



Astronomers who announced in January that they'd determined the color of the universe will publish a paper on their broader results in April. When they do, the footnote describing the color of the universe finding will cite beige, not the originally announced turquoise.

"It's our fault for not taking the color science seriously enough," said an apologetic Karl Glazebrook, an assistant professor of astronomy in the Krieger School of Arts and Sciences at The Johns Hopkins University. "I'm very embarrassed, I don't like being wrong, but once I found out I was, I knew I had to get the word out.

Thank goodness they took this subject serious! :)

We can relax now that the universe is no longer "ick". In fact, I may go ahead and take a nap as beige makes me sleepy.

Isn't this an averaging of all the colors? The average color of the rainbow is white isn't it?

Regardless, a much more serious matter lingers....The true color of the Sun! Current rendering shows it as "peachy pink". :evil: How can I sleep now?? :o


[edit....here is the article link.... here (http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0203/10color/)

Oops
2003-Dec-22, 06:55 PM
What would the Universe look like if the human eye sensed each color equally? Is the non-visible spectrum being taken into account?

Swift
2003-Dec-22, 07:07 PM
The color got revised from turquoise to beige...
I have always thought of beige as a universal color, it goes with everything. :wink:

George
2003-Dec-22, 08:15 PM
The color got revised from turquoise to beige...
I have always thought of beige as a universal color, it goes with everything. :wink:

See.....Intelligent Design! =D> =D> :lol:

Crimson
2003-Dec-23, 06:09 PM
But why can't it be....crimson? :lol:

George
2003-Dec-23, 07:44 PM
But why can't it be....crimson? :lol:

Is this a Christmas wish for Alabama? :)

Kaptain K
2003-Dec-24, 10:35 AM
But why can't it be....crimson? :lol:

Is this a Christmas wish for Alabama? :)
Or Harvard?