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_DRAGONLORD_
2006-Mar-22, 09:44 PM
I am male.

WaxRubiks
2006-Mar-22, 09:48 PM
I too am male.

Roy Batty
2006-Mar-22, 10:06 PM
X Y, N6maa10816 :)

Bob
2006-Mar-22, 10:14 PM
alpha male

aurora
2006-Mar-22, 10:17 PM
Why, yes, yes I am.

(I must be channeling my old English teacher today).

Any particular reason for the three question marks?

(might as well do two snide comments, while at it).

N C More
2006-Mar-22, 10:25 PM
I'm a she. The dog kissing me is a he, the one with the tongue dangling is a she!

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/5980/nancydog16ke.th.jpg (http://img487.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nancydog16ke.jpg)

WaxRubiks
2006-Mar-22, 10:26 PM
YOu should have posted this thread a few weeks ago and then we could have sorted out the whole candy vs. monique thing before candy got banned.

ToSeek
2006-Mar-22, 10:28 PM
I'm male.

Why isn't this a poll?

redshifter
2006-Mar-22, 10:40 PM
I'm male dude (makes farting sound with armpit)

Dragon Star
2006-Mar-22, 10:40 PM
@ ToSeek Because DragonLord is a new member and might not know about it.

@N C More, I thought you was a guy!:lol: Sorry if I ever refered to you as one...:o


Male

randb
2006-Mar-22, 10:43 PM
male.

N C More
2006-Mar-22, 10:48 PM
@N C More, I thought you was a guy!:lol: Sorry if I ever refered to you as one...:o


No problem, I figured that I'd better put in a pix of myself though...I didn't want there to be any *questions* about it!

Also, I think the poll is a neat idea. Could ToSeek somehow add one...if _DRAGONLORD_ thinks that's ok?

Enzp
2006-Mar-23, 02:38 AM
A poll, yes that will get to the bottom of this mystery. What will the five choices be?

Oh, and male by the way. What were you implying?

Gruesome
2006-Mar-23, 11:14 AM
I'm a man, man.

mahesh
2006-Mar-23, 11:26 AM
frog march...i couldn't agree more with your acuity

N C More
2006-Mar-23, 11:39 AM
A poll, yes that will get to the bottom of this mystery. What will the five choices be?

Oh, and male by the way. What were you implying?

Was the "what were you implying" meant for me? If so, I just wanted to keep things clear, nothing that could lead anyone to question anything.

farmerjumperdon
2006-Mar-23, 01:15 PM
That would be telling.

OK then, . . .

"I am not a number! I am a man!"

Jules
2006-Mar-23, 01:38 PM
I rarely post, but just to try and level things... I am female.

WaxRubiks
2006-Mar-23, 01:53 PM
That would be telling.

OK then, . . .

"I am not a number! I am a man!"


A free man?

Laguna
2006-Mar-23, 02:12 PM
let me check that....
definitiv male :whistle:

SolusLupus
2006-Mar-23, 02:20 PM
I'm neither.

Disinfo Agent
2006-Mar-23, 03:21 PM
I'm neither.Always the dissenter. Tsk, tsk, tsk... :naughty:

Melusine
2006-Mar-23, 03:57 PM
Always the dissenter. Tsk, tsk, tsk... :naughty:
NC More likes the idea of a poll too. Can someone start one? I've been wanting to, but was afraid enough people wouldn't reply.

A blind poll that asks whether you are male or female. I'd like to know the ratio of males to females here. I know there are more males, but to what extent? (No "other" choice, because even if one is a transsexual or hermaphrodite, they still "feel" they are one or the other).

Swift
2006-Mar-23, 04:11 PM
Not to steal Dragonlord's idea, but it seemed lots of people wanted it as a poll, and I'm always happy to help out.

mahesh
2006-Mar-23, 04:16 PM
thanks Swift !

You are not stealing anybody's thunder...it might be useful for some statistical exercise one day

Melusine
2006-Mar-23, 04:21 PM
Thanks Swift! I've said too many things on the board related to my femaleness, so yeah I'm a female, though when I was young I lamented not being a male. :shifty:

WaxRubiks
2006-Mar-23, 04:21 PM
NC More likes the idea of a poll too. Can someone start one? I've been wanting to, but was afraid enough people wouldn't reply.

A blind poll that asks whether you are male or female. I'd like to know the ratio of males to females here. I know there are more males, but to what extent? (No "other" choice, because even if one is a transsexual or hermaphrodite, they still "feel" they are one or the other).


the poll should be

male poster
female poster
male lurker
female lurker
other (for lonewulf)

Eroica
2006-Mar-23, 04:25 PM
My name is feminine, but that's ultimately the fault of the Greeks. I'm a guy.

Argos
2006-Mar-23, 04:28 PM
Arent male and female dehumanizing words? Wouldnt man and woman be better?

Im a man, by the way (struggling to become a ubermensch (http://personal.ecu.edu/mccartyr/great/projects/Knowles.htm); ).

Disinfo Agent
2006-Mar-23, 04:28 PM
Another male here. Where are all the girls? :eh:


Aren´t male and female dehumanizing words?Not in English, Argos.


Wouldn´t man and woman be better?And what if one's a boy or a girl? :p ;)

Swift
2006-Mar-23, 04:30 PM
NC More likes the idea of a poll too. Can someone start one? I've been wanting to, but was afraid enough people wouldn't reply.

A blind poll that asks whether you are male or female. I'd like to know the ratio of males to females here. I know there are more males, but to what extent? (No "other" choice, because even if one is a transsexual or hermaphrodite, they still "feel" they are one or the other).
Always happy to help out, and since no mod seemed to be acting, I have created a poll version here (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=39659). Sorry Dragonlord, not trying to steal your thunder.

Swift
2006-Mar-23, 04:41 PM
Wow 9 to 2, males to females so far. We could almost start a chapter of GROSS (Calvin & Hobbes reference).

Monique
2006-Mar-23, 04:43 PM
I am French woman who know I have some friends here... :)

The_Radiation_Specialist
2006-Mar-23, 04:44 PM
Letsee...
I got a deep voice...
am starting to grow moustache...
and I am interested in girls...

I definately a male...

Monique
2006-Mar-23, 04:44 PM
Women prefer quality for quantity ;)

Argos
2006-Mar-23, 04:44 PM
Not in English, Argos.

Its interesting... Ive been told (by the publisher of a scientific journal) to avoid male/female and prefer man/woman. And sex instead of gender.

Eric Vaxxine
2006-Mar-23, 04:47 PM
Quantity has a quality of it's own.

Argos
2006-Mar-23, 04:47 PM
Women prefer quality for quantity ;)

Hmm, Im not so sure theyre totally honest on this. :)

mahesh
2006-Mar-23, 04:49 PM
Its interesting... Ive been told (by the publisher of a scientific journal) to avoid male/female and prefer man/woman. And sex instead of gender.

Scientific journal, eh?

Disinfo Agent
2006-Mar-23, 04:51 PM
Its interesting... Ive been told (by the publisher of a scientific journal) to avoid male/female and prefer man/woman. And sex instead of gender.It may depend on the context.

Argos
2006-Mar-23, 04:53 PM
Yeah. :)

Monique
2006-Mar-23, 04:54 PM
Women prefer quality for quantity ;)
Hmm, Im not so sure theyre totally honest on this. :) Perhaps depend on topic for discussion.... ;)

Monique
2006-Mar-23, 04:57 PM
Yeah. :)
I agree. I am of female sex/gender. I am female human, so I am woman. Is more then only be female. :)

Argos
2006-Mar-23, 04:58 PM
Scientific journal, eh?

http://www.neurology.org/misc/sugg.htm


25. To avoid dehumanizing patients, consider the following:


instead of
case
male or female
male or female children
pediatric population

use
patient
man or woman
boys or girls
children

Well, this is only a sample. If you bother search youll see that it is a pattern.

SeanF
2006-Mar-23, 05:04 PM
Women prefer quality for quantity ;)
What was it somebody said on another thread? "The odds are good, but the goods are odd."

:)

Monique
2006-Mar-23, 05:08 PM
Women prefer quality for quantity ;)

What was it somebody said on another thread? "The odds are good, but the goods are odd."
:)
You have me in trouble as flirt now!! :p

Disinfo Agent
2006-Mar-23, 05:10 PM
http://www.neurology.org/misc/sugg.htm
I see, they want a more personalised language.

Relmuis
2006-Mar-23, 05:17 PM
Weird. Why replace male or female children with boys or girls? Why not replace it with just children?

cjl
2006-Mar-23, 05:23 PM
Hmmm - wonder if anyone will vote other.

Male here (16 to 3 so far)

Argos
2006-Mar-23, 05:25 PM
I see, they want a more personalised language.

Well, if you will... But it seems they take these details seriously. Its not just about personalizing the language. Its about humanizing the scientific discourse.

Melusine
2006-Mar-23, 05:59 PM
This isn't looking good so far...I hope that if there are female lurkers out there they will "lurk in" and at least take the poll. Even if people mainly lurk, they are still reading the forum and count as BAUT members interested in astronomy, science, etc.

:( Need more women!

Big Brother Dunk
2006-Mar-23, 06:05 PM
Big BROTHER Dunk. I guess my name says it all.

farmerjumperdon
2006-Mar-23, 06:26 PM
Perhaps depend on topic for discussion.... ;)

I think it is mostly dependent on the mood a woman is in at the moment the question is asked.

Timing is everything, . . . or you might get an ovary-action. Get it, over-reaction . . .

Sometimes I'm too funny even for myself to bear.

Bob
2006-Mar-23, 06:34 PM
Gender issues are complex in San Francisco, beloved city of my birth. There is a public accomodations debate over whether providing only male/female toilets is discriminatory. Arguments are advanced that since they pay taxes like everybody else, then toilets should also be provided for transgendered, transsexual, preoperative, postoperative, or maybe even "not sure."

farmerjumperdon
2006-Mar-23, 06:36 PM
Big BROTHER Dunk. I guess my name says it all.

Reminds me of a nickname I have in certain circles. As the oldest boy of 6 siblings, I get called Brother Don a lot.

I also wear a lot of black, mostly because of the versatility and my rather utilitarian attitude towards clothing (I hate making decisions right after I get out of bed).

Anyway, between the nickname and the black garb (and maybe my occassional preachiness), I actually get treated kinda funny at times. I have a couple business clients that actually call me Doctor (I only have a Bachelor's). Where'd that come from? I suppose if you act or look a certain way, people respond a certain way.

By the way, my old friend the document expert used to bring aliens over the border back when it was even more sieve-like than it is today. His primary cover was The Preacher. He was incredibly good at it - to the point where he took everyone off their game when he did it - which I guess was the point.

Hallelujah!

farmerjumperdon
2006-Mar-23, 06:53 PM
Gender issues are complex in San Francisco, beloved city of my birth. There is a public accomodations debate over where providing only male/female toilets is discriminatory. Arguments are advanced that since they pay taxes like everybody else, then toilets should also be provided for transgendered, transsexual, preoperative, postoperative, or maybe even "not sure."

What has paying taxes got to do with needing a separate toilet? I realize the traditional division of toilet facilities is based on gender; but I disagree that because someone makes a concious decision to physically alter their genitalia they need a separate toilet.

The question should simply be, based on your anatomy, at the given moment you need to pee, would you do it standing or sitting (based on the traditional position used by each gender)? Choose the door with the appropriate stick figure.

Better yet, get rid of the whole mess by making all toilets gender nuetral and doing them all up with stalls. To keep from wasting too much space you could have a gender nuetral toilet with stalls only, and a toilet with urinals with a sign that reads:

MEN -- That's right, strictly MEN. MEN who were anotomically born as male, have elected to remain that way, and are still that way at this moment. If you are unsure of whether or not you meet this definition, please use the toilet with the sign that reads -- EVERYBODY ELSE.

farmerjumperdon
2006-Mar-23, 06:59 PM
http://www.neurology.org/misc/sugg.htm



Well, this is only a sample. If you bother search youll see that it is a pattern.

Agree. Dehumanizing patients are to be avoided at all costs.

SolusLupus
2006-Mar-23, 07:07 PM
Letsee...
I got a deep voice...
am starting to grow moustache...
and I am interested in girls...

I definately a male...

If I look around, I'm sure I can find females that would fit this description.

SolusLupus
2006-Mar-23, 07:15 PM
I'm the "other"

Nicolas
2006-Mar-23, 07:47 PM
A very masculin wolf with such a high voice ("awoooooooooooi") could indeed be "other" :) ;)

jrkeller
2006-Mar-23, 07:49 PM
:( Need more women!

I concur.

Gillianren
2006-Mar-23, 07:50 PM
I'm not going to touch on the whole gender-identity issue, given that I personally know two transsexuals. One of whom used to date my sister, and oh, I like her better than my sister's husband!

However, I'm female. Born that way and identify that way.

SolusLupus
2006-Mar-23, 07:50 PM
A very masculin wolf with such a high voice ("awoooooooooooi") could indeed be "other" :) ;)

Tone of voice has nothing to do with gender or sex.

SolusLupus
2006-Mar-23, 07:52 PM
I'm not going to touch on the whole gender-identity issue, given that I personally know two transsexuals. One of whom used to date my sister, and oh, I like her better than my sister's husband!

However, I'm female. Born that way and identify that way.

I know one transsexual, and more than a few transgendered. I also know two (or more) people that are into crossdressing. All three of these things are completely different from each other.

Gender identity is a big issue in society, for obvious reasons.

EDIT: Not that I'm saying you don't know this, I just felt like saying that for some reason. I'm weird.

Nicolas
2006-Mar-23, 08:13 PM
Tone of voice has nothing to do with gender or sex.

Of course not, I was only kidding.

If you look at enough people, you see that indeed very little characteristics have a one on one relationship with gender.

The stereotypes are formed by majority rules, but majority is not law.

SolusLupus
2006-Mar-23, 08:16 PM
Oh, I know you were just kidding. I'm being humorous in that I'm taking it seriously, while the entire claim that I'm of neither gender was partially humorous (and partly online persona, in a way)

WaxRubiks
2006-Mar-23, 08:19 PM
If I look around, I'm sure I can find females that would fit this description.


That's no way to talk about your mother!



:nervous wink:

SolusLupus
2006-Mar-23, 08:30 PM
That's no way to talk about your mother!



:nervous wink:

No, that's no way for you to talk about my mother. I'll let you off this one as I'm in a rather lazy mood.

antoniseb
2006-Mar-23, 08:36 PM
I've merged this poll with the related thread.

Graybeard6
2006-Mar-23, 10:51 PM
I'm not only a male, I'm a patriarch; the oldest male in my family. I do have an older female cousin; she's the only person who can get away with calling me a "sarcastic, supercillious little brat"!

Swift
2006-Mar-23, 10:59 PM
http://www.neurology.org/misc/sugg.htm

25. To avoid dehumanizing patients, consider the following:
instead of
case
male or female
male or female children
pediatric population

use
patient
man or woman
boys or girls
children
Well, this is only a sample. If you bother search youll see that it is a pattern.
Interesting (and I didn't mean to offend anyone with my choices). I absolutely agree with patient instead of case. When I used to teach First Aid classes, a lot of the Red Cross literature used the term "victim". To me, victim sounds like someone who is already dead.

I tend to avoid boy or girl, unless they truly are a child. It is considered condescending in the US to call someone a boy or girl, even if they are considerably younger than you, but are an adult or even an older teenager. That was not so 20 or 30 years ago (and maybe even more recently than that).

If someone is addressing me personally, I would want to be addressed as a man, but I am not offended by "male".

Swift
2006-Mar-23, 11:04 PM
I'm not going to touch on the whole gender-identity issue, given that I personally know two transsexuals. One of whom used to date my sister, and oh, I like her better than my sister's husband!

My own feeling about it is, no matter what your genes or your biology, your gender identity is what you identify with (sounds self-evident when phrased like that ;) ). If you consider yourself a man or woman or something else, that is purely your own decision and I hope your life is happy with that.

farmerjumperdon
2006-Mar-24, 03:03 PM
My own feeling about it is, no matter what your genes or your biology, your gender identity is what you identify with (sounds self-evident when phrased like that ;) ). If you consider yourself a man or woman or something else, that is purely your own decision and I hope your life is happy with that.

And what would the something else be? Are there now more than 2 genders?

WaxRubiks
2006-Mar-24, 03:23 PM
And what would the something else be? Are there now more than 2 genders?

C3PO perhaps. Though he had a man's voice...what about r2d2?

SolusLupus
2006-Mar-24, 03:25 PM
An android or machine that is considered equal to a human being would probably be asked to be referred to in a "gender-neutral" way. Alternatively, it may be possible for an AI to identify with a male or female "avatar".

Disinfo Agent
2006-Mar-24, 03:27 PM
And what would the something else be? Are there now more than 2 genders?There are two sides to gender. One is biological. In this sense, most people are either male or female (although there are some very rare exceptions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersexual)).
The other dimension of gender is socially constructed. (Notice how The Radiation Specialist concluded that he was male (http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.php?p=709377&postcount=34), for instance.) Theoretically, a society can recognise as many different genders as it pleases.

Argos
2006-Mar-24, 03:33 PM
To me, sex is for biology and Gender refers to a social 'persona'. I´ve always felt uncomfortable using 'gender' to refer to biological sex.

farmerjumperdon
2006-Mar-24, 03:54 PM
There are two sides to gender. One is biological. In this sense, most people are either male or female (although there are some very rare exceptions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersexual)).
The other dimension of gender is socially constructed. (Notice how The Radiation Specialist concluded that he was male (http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.php?p=709377&postcount=34), for instance.) Theoretically, a society can recognise as many different genders as it pleases.

I'm with you for the most part. The biological process is fairly cut and dry (ouch, bad pun). I had considered the rare exceptions you referenced, but they are very infrequent and probably won't be demanding a special toilet.

On the social side, people can "recognize" whatever they want, doesn't make it valid. All ideas are not equally valid. If I recognize that Arcturus is made of marinara sauce I don't think many people would start making acommodations for my belief.

So yes, biologically (and at the core of this, genetically) we are either male or female. Excluding those rare exceptions, there is no in-between. There are degrees of anatomical expression in how a persons genetically determined gender appears. A male with weak masculine characteristics may feel less male than others, but that is strictly a function of social interpretation and expectation; which is what I think you were saying.

But making a conscious decision to alter their genitalia does not seem like enough of a reason to start building them separate toilets. And how far should we take it? Should we have toilets labeled MEN, WOMEN, 20% FEMALE, 40% FEMALE, 60% FEMALE, 80% FEMALE? After all, the 80% FEMALE crowd may not be comfortable using the same toilet as the 20% FEMALE crowd; and they pay taxes too. We'd also need the same scale going the other way, because in what is sure to be a feeling of having their specialness comingled with someone else's, women becoming men will want their own accomodations.

It starts to sound more like a claim of political identity than anything else. (As in 'I want to be categorized more specially than anyone else so I can get what I want').

Melusine
2006-Mar-24, 03:57 PM
To me, sex is for biology and Gender refers to a social 'persona'. Ive always felt uncomfortable using 'gender' to refer to biological sex.
I think that's that's the norm. Webster's points that out as well:

gender: the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex

However, as with the questionnaires I have to fill out in the doctor's office - male or female? - man or woman wouldn't work as well, because "man" has the meaning of an adult male. When a male becomes a man is as much a cultural idea as a biological one. So, for forms and polls, male/female eliminates that issue. Many people don't call a 13-year old a man, and so on. When my doctor talks to me, he does say, "Many women have told me they have similar side-effects..." In general discourse, women/men/boys/girls/children seems more appropriate and humanizing.

Disinfo Agent
2006-Mar-24, 04:34 PM
On the social side, people can "recognize" whatever they want, doesn't make it valid. All ideas are not equally valid. If I recognize that Arcturus is made of marinara sauce I don't think many people would start making acommodations for my belief.

So yes, biologically (and at the core of this, genetically) we are either male or female. Excluding those rare exceptions, there is no in-between. There are degrees of anatomical expression in how a persons genetically determined gender appears. A male with weak masculine characteristics may feel less male than others, but that is strictly a function of social interpretation and expectation; which is what I think you were saying.

But making a conscious decision to alter their genitalia does not seem like enough of a reason to start building them separate toilets. And how far should we take it? Should we have toilets labeled MEN, WOMEN, 20% FEMALE, 40% FEMALE, 60% FEMALE, 80% FEMALE? After all, the 80% FEMALE crowd may not be comfortable using the same toilet as the 20% FEMALE crowd; and they pay taxes too. We'd also need the same scale going the other way, because in what is sure to be a feeling of having their specialness comingled with someone else's, women becoming men will want their own accomodations.

It starts to sound more like a claim of political identity than anything else. (As in 'I want to be categorized more specially than anyone else so I can get what I want').The social aspect of sexual identity isn't a hippy invention of politicised minorities. It was a very old creation of the majority. Look at the criteria The Radiation Spacialist used to decide his gender -- many people (most people?) would agree with them. And, yet, not a single one of them is strictly biological. From this I conclude that there is more to gender than biology, even in traditional societies.

As for the number of toilets, sheer pragmatism should keep it at a tolerable minimum in the foreseeable future.

Having said this, I expect the intent of this thread was to ask about biological gender.

The_Radiation_Specialist
2006-Mar-24, 04:43 PM
Look at the criteria The Radiation Spacialist used to decide his gender -- many people (most people?) would agree with them. And, yet, not a single one of them is strictly biological.

well, those were the criterias I felt OK (safe) to say in this type of forum....theres lots more ;)

Disinfo Agent
2006-Mar-24, 04:46 PM
Fair enough, but the point is that they probably sounded right to most people. And I'm not saying they're not right, only pointing out that they're not based on pure biology.

farmerjumperdon
2006-Mar-24, 04:51 PM
The social aspect of sexual identity isn't a hippy invention of politicised minorities.

Never said it was. And I was not addressing the social aspect of sexual identity as the primary topic. My criticism was in making demands because of perceived specialness, especially when that specialness is the result of a conscious decision to alter one's anatomy.

I noticed you played the hippy card. Any reason for that, or just looking for a fun adjective?

Disinfo Agent
2006-Mar-24, 05:03 PM
Just a little hyperbole. :D ;)

Here's a question: does anyone here know for sure whether the idea of extra toilets in San Francisco was started by transgendered people, or other gender minorities, themselves? It could be that it was proposed by well-meaning heterosexuals -- or by icked out heterosexuals.

And another thought: in many shopping centres I go to, there are three toilets, one for men, another for women, and a unisex one for people in wheelchairs. So the idea of extra toilets isn't necessarily nonsense.

WaxRubiks
2006-Mar-24, 05:24 PM
gender/sex is mainly about biology-the biology and anatomy of the brain, I think.

farmerjumperdon
2006-Mar-24, 05:32 PM
Just a little hyperbole. :D ;)

Here's a question: does anyone here know for sure whether the idea of extra toilets in San Francisco was started by transgendered people, or other gender minorities, themselves? It could be that it was proposed by well-meaning heterosexuals -- or by icked out heterosexuals.

And another thought: in many shopping centres I go to, there are three toilets, one for men, another for women, and a unisex one for people in wheelchairs. So the idea of extra toilets isn't necessarily nonsense.

OK then, all in good fun.

It would be interesting to know how long it takes for the average thread to generate a:

<> Reference to Python
<> Reference to Bush
<> Reference to Hitler
<> Reference to Hippies
<> Reference to The Left

If I were a betting man, er, . . . I mean male, . . . uh, . . . I give up - If I were a betting person, I'd say Python comes up ealier than any other, on average.

Swift
2006-Mar-24, 06:56 PM
If anyone is keeping score, we seem to holding in the neighborhood of 20% female/woman, 80% male/man, with a vote for other and a vote for not answering. I suspect we are getting close to the composition of the active members of the board.

N C More
2006-Mar-24, 07:12 PM
Yikes! I'm beginning to feel a bit *out numbered* here. Quick, time for some Monty Python! Did you know it's very difficult to determine the gender of a penguin?


First Pepperpot:
What's that on top of the telly-vision set?
(pause)
Second Pepperpot: (matter-of-factly) Looks like a penguin.
(pause)
Second Pepperpot: It's been a long time there, now, has it?
First Pepperpot: What's it doin' there?
Second Pepperpot: Standin'!
First Pepperpot: I can see that!
(pause)
First Pepperpot: If it laid an egg, it would roll down the back of the telly-vision set.
Second Pepperpot: Ummmm. I hadn't thought of that.
First Pepperpot: Unless it's a male.
Second Pepperpot: Yes. It looks fairly butch.

http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/tiere/c098.gif

Gillianren
2006-Mar-24, 07:34 PM
Never said it was. And I was not addressing the social aspect of sexual identity as the primary topic. My criticism was in making demands because of perceived specialness, especially when that specialness is the result of a conscious decision to alter one's anatomy.

Having talked to aformentioned transsexuals, it is more complicated than that. However, I'm reasonably sure they're just fine with using the bathroom of their current gender identity; I know for sure that the one who used to date my sister didn't feel any need for a special bathroom.

Swift
2006-Mar-24, 08:05 PM
Yikes! I'm beginning to feel a bit *out numbered* here. Quick, time for some Monty Python! Did you know it's very difficult to determine the gender of a penguin?
http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/tiere/c098.gif
The penguin on top of your telly will now explode.

farmerjumperdon
2006-Mar-24, 08:43 PM
I thought there were 9 females from the poll last time I looked.

Did someone change?!

N C More
2006-Mar-25, 12:59 AM
I thought there were 9 females from the poll last time I looked.

Did someone change?!

Perhaps the penguin that exploded was a lady penguin? That would put us at one less female!

Gee...I never knew I was such a minority around here. Come on ladies, Vote!

pasha582
2006-Mar-25, 01:20 AM
It's still too early for me to be adopting a gender role. Oh, wait, I have children--I guess not.

XY--hear me mewl.

Gillianren
2006-Mar-25, 02:10 AM
Gee...I never knew I was such a minority around here. Come on ladies, Vote!

I did, I did! And, in fact, I've always pretty much assumed women were a minority on this board. I mean, look at the posters that use their real names as screen names (which technically isn't me)--practically all of 'em are male names.

Dragon Star
2006-Mar-25, 02:42 AM
Hey Guys, Candy is the 9th vote.

SolusLupus
2006-Mar-25, 03:36 AM
Oh. She sock puppeted, didn't she?

Dragon Star
2006-Mar-25, 04:24 AM
Oh. She sock puppeted, didn't she?

Did you even read what was going on?

There are 8 votes for girls right now, on a previous poll there were 9 votes, and they were wondering what the other was, and I am sure it was Candy.

Pleiades
2006-Mar-25, 10:01 AM
I just voted and am the ninth woman. So is my designation 9 of 9 until some other female/woman/girl/feminine persuasion votes? :shifty:

WaxRubiks
2006-Mar-25, 10:04 AM
I just voted and am the ninth woman. So is my designation 9 of 9 until some other female/woman/girl/feminine persuasion votes? :shifty:

are you the chairman of the Borg?

tsig
2006-Mar-25, 10:06 AM
I'm neither.

Got my vote, why this polarization.

WaxRubiks
2006-Mar-25, 10:14 AM
Got my vote, why this polarization.


there are just 4times more men on this planet than woman, that seems to be the simplest explination.

tsig
2006-Mar-25, 11:27 AM
there are just 4times more men on this planet than woman, that seems to be the simplest explination.

I think it's more like 51% female and 49% male.

WaxRubiks
2006-Mar-25, 11:53 AM
I think it's more like 51% female and 49% male.

I thought there were slightly more men than women in an given population, all other things being equal.

Disinfo Agent
2006-Mar-25, 11:57 AM
No. Slightly more men are born, but overall there are slightly more women alive.

Argos
2006-Mar-25, 12:04 PM
Nature&#180;s wise, fortunately.

Melusine
2006-Mar-25, 03:29 PM
Natures wise, fortunately.
Maybe nature is, but it doesn't appear to be showing here. Over 200 people are viewing the forum at any given time, so where is everybody? :confused: :sad:

Men can't be bothered with a poll?

Sweety
2006-Mar-25, 04:31 PM
I am not any type of mail nor iron mail but I am a girl.:shifty:

Dragon Star
2006-Mar-25, 04:36 PM
I am not any type of mail nor iron mail but I am a girl.:shifty:

Hi Sweety, it's male just so you know.:D

The_Radiation_Specialist
2006-Mar-25, 05:23 PM
I am not any type of mail .

actually you are... Fe-mail :D

WaxRubiks
2006-Mar-25, 06:02 PM
did she mean chain mail?

The_Radiation_Specialist
2006-Mar-25, 07:09 PM
we got a second "other" ! :eek:

The Supreme Canuck
2006-Mar-25, 07:13 PM
Hm. Time to speak up. Male here.

Andromeda321
2006-Mar-25, 09:56 PM
Another lovely lady here. :p And as long as the ratio of this board stays above the ratio in my department (around 15% female for my class), I won't worry too much. ;)

OptimusShr
2006-Mar-25, 09:58 PM
I'm male.

Pleiades
2006-Mar-26, 01:11 AM
are you the chairman of the Borg?

Now, that type of hierarchy doesn't exist for the Borg.

SolusLupus
2006-Mar-26, 03:15 AM
By the way: I'm a slightly single, young male-looking creature. Wink wink.

Sweety
2006-Mar-26, 08:48 AM
Hi Sweety, it's male just so you know.:D
I was kidding you knew it;)

kyssa
2006-Mar-26, 01:29 PM
Well,as you can see from my picture, technically I'm a *****.

VenusROVER
2006-Mar-26, 09:35 PM
Male

LurchGS
2006-Mar-26, 09:36 PM
dog? :)

I think the poll is ill formed. It shouldn't be male/female/other.. it should be male-available / female available /male-taken / female-taken.

Assuming this is an "I need a date" question, of course

SolusLupus
2006-Mar-26, 09:59 PM
Well,as you can see from my picture, technically I'm a *****.

Which makes you more cute than many humans. ;)

Sweety
2006-Mar-27, 06:25 AM
actually you are... Fe-mail :D
You are wrong I am not a Fe(iron) mail but a girl made of Titanium.

SolusLupus
2006-Mar-27, 11:33 AM
Not carbon nanotubes? Meh, not worth it.

WaxRubiks
2006-Mar-27, 11:36 AM
You are wrong I am not a Fe(iron) mail but a girl made of Titanium.


have you ever been to Germanium?

Monique
2006-Mar-27, 04:26 PM
dog? :)

I think the poll is ill formed. It shouldn't be male/female/other.. it should be male-available / female available /male-taken / female-taken.

Assuming this is an "I need a date" question, of course
BAUT need dating forum. ;)

Melusine
2006-Mar-27, 04:39 PM
BAUT need dating forum. ;)
I realize you're joking, Monique, but please NO! If any male treated me any differently on this forum because I'm a female, I'd be very, very, unhappy. :evil:

A "dating forum" is called e-mail. :neutral:

Monique
2006-Mar-27, 05:21 PM
BAUT need dating forum. ;)
I realize you're joking, Monique, but please NO! If any male treated me any differently on this forum because I'm a female, I'd be very, very, unhappy. :evil:

A "dating forum" is called e-mail. :neutral: I should use "roll eyes" smiley not "wink". I agree. :neutral:

Sweety
2006-Mar-28, 05:11 AM
have you ever been to Germanium?
mmmmm once upon a time I was made of Zink

7of9
2006-Mar-28, 07:30 AM
I figured there will be a lot of geeks on this site, but thats ok.. because as they say... I care nothing for looks.. only talent!:dance:

Swift
2006-Mar-28, 02:50 PM
If anyone is keeping score, we seem to holding in the neighborhood of 20% female/woman, 80% male/man, with a vote for other and a vote for not answering. I suspect we are getting close to the composition of the active members of the board.
As we come around the clubhouse turn, the women are up to about 24%, versus 71% for the men, plus two others and two secrets.

SolusLupus
2006-Mar-28, 02:51 PM
As we come around the clubhouse turn, the women are up to about 24%, versus 71% for the men, plus two others and two secrets.

I'm myste-ee-erious.

Monique
2006-Mar-28, 04:51 PM
I figured there will be a lot of geeks on this site, but thats ok.. because as they say... I care nothing for looks.. only talent!:dance:
I have seen picture in your av somewhere... is very beautiful. :)

Titana
2006-Mar-28, 05:03 PM
18 females on the poll results now.......:D



Titana

Monique
2006-Mar-28, 06:00 PM
18 females on the poll results now.......:D

Titana
Titana!! Is good to see you here. Beautiful picture in BAUT album!! :)

Titana
2006-Mar-28, 11:35 PM
Hi Monique thanks, nice to see you back too.....;)




Titana

mickal555
2006-Mar-29, 03:05 AM
male...

hmm two others...

More then I'd have thought with this small sample size...

HenrikOlsen
2006-Mar-30, 05:35 PM
There are more others out there than you'd expect.
Last time I tried to think about defining gender I ended up with 24 different ones, and that was without considering the genetic variations.

Me: genetical male, physiological male, dresses male, wants female.

hippietrekx
2006-Apr-01, 05:34 AM
I am human, gender female.

Melusine
2006-Apr-01, 05:40 AM
I am human, gender female.
...and smarter than many of us. ;)

Skilled in duct tape, too!