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hhEb09'1
2006-Apr-09, 08:42 PM
How many letters are in this image (http://mensware.home.mindspring.com/dan/flyillus.jpg)?

PS: argg, my first poll, and I screw it up :)

Titana
2006-Apr-09, 08:46 PM
I only see three complete letters.

WaxRubiks
2006-Apr-09, 09:18 PM
well the 'f' could be an 'e' as well.

Moose
2006-Apr-09, 10:34 PM
0, but I see three illusiory letters. [Edit: And two more patterns that my mind could twist to interpret as letters.]

antoniseb
2006-Apr-09, 11:18 PM
3. If there is a way to see more, will you tell us tomorrow?

The Supreme Canuck
2006-Apr-10, 01:34 AM
I'm not going to bother to dig any deeper than 3. It'll drive me mad.

turbo-1
2006-Apr-10, 02:54 AM
It could be the name of a very famous Westerrn photo studio in Deadwood, (FLY) or perhaps it could be the name of a class of insects (FLY).

Inferno
2006-Apr-10, 03:20 AM
I remember when I first saw this illusion. I couldn't for the life of me see anything there. Since the "hidden" word was pointed out however, I can't for the life of me only focus on the black shapes and not see the word.

Melusine
2006-Apr-10, 05:12 AM
The word popped out at me immediately. But while you're on the subject, hheb09'1, I was looking at this cool site a while ago, and for the life of me I can't make the cat disappear. Scroll down here (http://www.archimedes-lab.org/page13b.html) and you'll see the blue cat. I can make all the other illusions "work," but not that one or the two yellow balls that are supposed to show a furtive figure or heart.

There's also a link on that page to another page with a nice pictorial explaining the moon illusion (http://www.archimedes-lab.org/atelier.html?http://www.archimedes-lab.org/moon_illusion/moon.html).

Melusine
2006-Apr-10, 05:16 AM
A question: you know those letter/number security verifications so many sites use when buying something or signing up? Do dyslexic people have a problem with those, and do they have a problem with these kind of optical illusions? I was just thinking that if they don't read those security codes correctly, that would be a problem. :think:

01101001
2006-Apr-10, 05:36 AM
Do dyslexic people have a problem with those [...]

W3C: Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA -- Alternatives to Visual Turing Tests on the Web (http://www.w3.org/TR/turingtest/)


Abstract
A common method of limiting access to services made available over the Web is visual verification of a bitmapped image. This presents a major problem to users who are blind, have low vision, or have a learning disability such as dyslexia. This document examines a number of potential solutions that allow systems to test for human users while preserving access by users with disabilities.

Melusine
2006-Apr-10, 06:29 AM
W3C: Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA -- Alternatives to Visual Turing Tests on the Web (http://www.w3.org/TR/turingtest/)
Thanks, Binary Man, for doing my homework. ;) But what about these sort of word-related optical illusions? I'm wondering why some people here saw only one letter or more than three (I mean that I'm wondering about those specific people here). I'll ponder some more....

WaxRubiks
2006-Apr-10, 08:18 AM
And here is the hat you can buy
http://www.mypilotstore.com/MyPilotStore/pics/products/2870.jpg

but I still only see 3.

WaxRubiks
2006-Apr-10, 08:56 AM
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6576/polldate8fy.png (http://imageshack.us)

will we have to wait until then for the answer?

N C More
2006-Apr-10, 10:56 AM
I see a big a *FLY*. I guess one could manipulate the shapes to find other letters, but I'll vote 3.

farmerjumperdon
2006-Apr-10, 11:57 AM
Depends on how carried away you want to get with creative interpretation of serifs. Without getting too crazy with them, 3 letters come to mind. If I allowed a lot of license with serifs and variance from the way most people print letters, I could conjure up more.

Swift
2006-Apr-10, 12:31 PM
Zero. I don't get it. :shrug:

ToSeek
2006-Apr-10, 01:55 PM
The word popped out at me immediately. But while you're on the subject, hheb09'1, I was looking at this cool site a while ago, and for the life of me I can't make the cat disappear. Scroll down here (http://www.archimedes-lab.org/page13b.html) and you'll see the blue cat. I can make all the other illusions "work," but not that one or the two yellow balls that are supposed to show a furtive figure or heart.

For the cat, you seem to need to stare at the exact same spot for 15 seconds or so. If you move your eyes at all in that time, you're back where you started. (I was able to get the cat to start to fade but not go away completely.)

hhEb09'1
2006-Apr-10, 04:11 PM
Zero. I don't get it. :shrug:I meant to include that as one of the options on the poll. Sorry about that.

ciderman
2006-Apr-10, 04:39 PM
4, & I've got a sore neck now...

WaxRubiks
2006-Apr-10, 04:43 PM
I've got a feeling that there is a whole different word(other than 'fly') in there somewhere.

The_Radiation_Specialist
2006-Apr-10, 05:17 PM
3 obvious letters + 3 sorta letters

ooh, and plus a small arrow :D

farmerjumperdon
2006-Apr-10, 06:14 PM
I see a castle, with a moat and drawbridge, and a dragon, but it's a friendly dragon. And I see a bus, and on the bus I see Billy, and I see Suzie, and I see Bobby, and I see you too!

Anybody remember Romper Room?

The Supreme Canuck
2006-Apr-10, 06:21 PM
Well, since hhEb09'1 voted for 5, I may need to change my answer.

hhEb09'1
2006-Apr-11, 08:23 PM
Naw, I always vote for the wrong ones :)

even in the federal elections

Lord Jubjub
2006-Apr-12, 03:06 AM
Romper Room. . .

THAT is a blast from the past!

Big Brother Dunk
2006-Apr-12, 03:40 AM
I see the word "FLY" in the image. Or perhaps it could be "ELY"

01101001
2006-Apr-13, 01:59 AM
I regret that the letters I see weren't more precisely formed. F, L, and Y are among the small number of letters that can form good self-similar conjugates, with figure-ground ambiguity (http://www.brown.edu/Courses/CG11/Group123/figure_ground.htm).

2383

hhEb09'1
2006-Apr-13, 04:21 AM
OK, those of you who couldn't see "FLY" in that, can you see FLY now?

Or, is there anybody who could not see FLY? Nothing to be ashamed of.

beskeptical
2006-Apr-13, 06:55 AM
the image---8 letters ;)

Eroica
2006-Apr-13, 07:43 AM
I can only see 3.

01101001
2006-Apr-13, 04:14 PM
Well, I had to see if it could survive a dose of my weird hobby. I made a rotationally symmetric ambigram of it. (Probably most of you have seen my ambigram collection (http://www.01101001.com/ambigrams).)

How would you count letters here? I don't know the right answer. It leads me into uncomfortable questions about what exactly a letter is.

http://www.01101001.com/images/fly_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/fly.gif)

suntrack2
2006-Apr-13, 04:45 PM
3 letters are there and it looks me as "F L Y"

am i correct.

sunil

beskeptical
2006-Apr-13, 07:41 PM
Well, I had to see if it could survive a dose of my weird hobby. I made a rotationally symmetric ambigram of it. (Probably most of you have seen my ambigram collection (http://www.01101001.com/ambigrams).)

How would you count letters here? I don't know the right answer. It leads me into uncomfortable questions about what exactly a letter is.

http://www.01101001.com/images/fly_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/fly.gif)That is great.

Have you tried Illuminati? In the book Angels and Demons (same guy who wrote DaVinci Code), there is supposedly a secret ambigram of Illuminati.

Lance
2006-Apr-17, 04:42 PM
When do we get the answer?

hhEb09'1
2006-Apr-17, 05:05 PM
When do we get the answer?Interesting. Do you still see five letters in the image, Lance? Can you see the word FLY?

farmerjumperdon
2006-Apr-17, 05:39 PM
Answer?

Anybody, . . . anybody, . . . Bueller?

Anybody?

hhEb09'1
2006-Apr-17, 05:45 PM
Bueller? They haven't even posted to this thread, right? :)

There is no "correct" answer. Most people seem to be able to make out the letters FLY in the image, but not everybody can when they first encounter it. But after it has been pointed out, it is very easy to see.

I'm just kinda curious about other people's experiences with this.

(I am starting to understand how some threads can go so quickly offtrack, though! :) )

Lance
2006-Apr-17, 06:07 PM
Interesting. Do you still see five letters in the image, Lance? Can you see the word FLY?
I'm not sure now why I said 5, but I thought "FLY" was a given.

beskeptical
2006-Apr-17, 09:22 PM
When do we get the answer?To the poll ambigram or the illuminati ambigram?

I think the poll ambigram has 6 since there are letters going both directions.