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snabald
2006-Jun-08, 11:42 PM
Being a child of the 80's, and a transformers collector, this is very exciting!

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=23545

http://www.transformersmovie.com/ (note: countdown is until trailer)

From filming location @ white sands:

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/31/new-chevy-camaro-to-star-transformers-mov ie/

Inferno
2006-Jun-09, 03:20 AM
Unfortunately it's being directed by Michael Bay - the man responsible for such craptacular films as Armaggedon and Pearl Harbor.

I'm in a dilemma. I love transformers, but can't stand Michael Bay!

captain swoop
2006-Jun-09, 10:36 AM
And a transformers movie will be good because? do u think it will matter who directs a film for 7 year old boys?

Gunndragon
2006-Jun-09, 11:24 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I am intrigued... =) the current transformers cartoons are a joke.. I hope this movie redeems them.

ToSeek
2006-Jun-09, 03:10 PM
Moved from "BABBling" to "Small Media at Large."

Doodler
2006-Jun-09, 04:17 PM
http://www.blackfilm.com/20060512/features/transformertest_video.shtml

Plot schmot. I wanna see this thing.

Doodler
2006-Jun-09, 04:21 PM
And a transformers movie will be good because? do u think it will matter who directs a film for 7 year old boys?

As a seven year old, I had a small army of those toys. I WANT THIS MOVIE! :lol:

Moose
2006-Jun-09, 06:01 PM
Moose: body by Pillsbury[tm], brains by Mattel[tm].

Doodler, I'm with you. I still have a few of my old collection. (Somewhere.) I also want this movie, only done well.

Doodler
2006-Jun-09, 07:18 PM
Moose: body by Pillsbury[tm], brains by Mattel[tm].

Doodler, I'm with you. I still have a few of my old collection. (Somewhere.) I also want this movie, only done well.

To their credit, the first dibs chances on the voice acting roles for the lead characters is going to those who voiced them in the original cartoon series. The only concern is how different they might sound with some 20 years between them and the last cartoon.

HenrikOlsen
2006-Jun-09, 07:22 PM
As if we need yet another "Let's see how many kids we can get addicted to this junk" movie.

Tobin Dax
2006-Jun-09, 10:17 PM
As if we need yet another "Let's see how many kids we can get addicted to this junk" movie.

This is just a much a "Let's make money from nostalgia" movie, which is exactly why I want to see it. :)

Cl1mh4224rd
2006-Jun-10, 02:42 AM
I'm not so sure this is going to be a kids' movie. How many kids' movies have the tagline "Their war. Our world."?

Ronald Brak
2006-Jun-10, 04:14 AM
The evil robots had this device that they could point at coal, oil, diamonds, etc. and turn them into energy cubes. So why didn't they just like use it on people? I mean carbon is carbon, isnt' it?

And will the new movie be ecologically sensitive? Will the robots transform into hybrid cars? (I hope so, that way they might turn less of us into energy cubes.)

TheBlackCat
2006-Jun-10, 04:52 AM
Optimus didn't look particularly streamlined in that clip. I am also not sure how comfortable I am with optimus being white and not red, but that may be temporary.

I am seeing this movie, whether it is good or not. There are certain movies I am simply obliged to see whether they are actually worth seeing or not. This is one of those movies.

Moose
2006-Jun-10, 11:07 AM
Optimus didn't look particularly streamlined in that clip. I am also not sure how comfortable I am with optimus being white and not red, but that may be temporary.

Keep in mind that was a technical audition reel done by a company that wants to get the contract for the CGI work for the film. They wouldn't have had the license to create footage of a red Optimus Prime (yet). Doing so would have been a mite too risky in terms of liability.

parallaxicality
2006-Jun-10, 11:59 AM
I was never really a Transformers fan, and I'm even less of a Michael Bay fan, so I don't know whether I'll be seeing it; however that FX test was surprisingly realistic, and makes me think they might be going for a less hokey tone than those (I'm sorry) silly cartoons.

To be honest, I never got the idea behind the Transformers. I mean, so they're aliens from the planet Cybertron. OK, then who built them? And why would they change? Surely it would be more efficient to have one form capable of performing both body and vehicle actions simultaneously?

Moose
2006-Jun-10, 01:43 PM
To be honest, I never got the idea behind the Transformers. I mean, so they're aliens from the planet Cybertron. OK, then who built them? And why would they change? Surely it would be more efficient to have one form capable of performing both body and vehicle actions simultaneously?

Do we build fighter craft that can repair and rearm themselves? Transport vehicles that can also double as electricians?

Vehicles have their uses in transportation, but are ill suited to other tasks. Wouldn't it be spiffy if, instead of having to own a car and find a parking space for it every day, we could simply turn into some form better suited to rapid transportation, then transform back to our original shape when we'd completed our commute?

TheBlackCat
2006-Jun-10, 04:05 PM
To be honest, I never got the idea behind the Transformers. I mean, so they're aliens from the planet Cybertron. OK, then who built them? And why would they change? Surely it would be more efficient to have one form capable of performing both body and vehicle actions simultaneously?
Apparently they were built by some uber-aliens to defeat a giant uber-transformer thing. I am pretty sure they were not originally designed to transform, their ship decided it was a good idea to retro-fit them while they were unconcious after crash-landing on Earth. The ship figured they wouldn't fit in with the other machines on the planet so it modified them. Unfortunately it couldn't tell the difference between friend and foe so everybody got modified (this after the decepticons managed to get on board the ship).

Moose
2006-Jun-10, 07:22 PM
Apparently they were built by some uber-aliens to defeat a giant uber-transformer thing. I am pretty sure they were not originally designed to transform, their ship decided it was a good idea to retro-fit them while they were unconcious after crash-landing on Earth. The ship figured they wouldn't fit in with the other machines on the planet so it modified them. Unfortunately it couldn't tell the difference between friend and foe so everybody got modified (this after the decepticons managed to get on board the ship).

Actually, no, they could transform before as well. First ep of Transformers had several autobots transform into alien vehicle thingys when they were scavenging energon (bars, not cubes) for the trip. They loaded it up in the closed cargo-bed of the autobot that later turned into a red 80s toyota-like van.

The ship decided to alter their vehicle transformation forms to stuff it found by scanning, as you say, to allow the transformers to blend in with the locals. And you're right about the computer not disginguishing between the autobots or decepticons.

Man, every time I think about it, I'm a bit more stoked for this movie.

Gildamere
2006-Jun-10, 08:17 PM
Actually, no, they could transform before as well. First ep of Transformers had several autobots transform into alien vehicle thingys when they were scavenging energon (bars, not cubes) for the trip. They loaded it up in the closed cargo-bed of the autobot that later turned into a red 80s toyota-like van.

The ship decided to alter their vehicle transformation forms to stuff it found by scanning, as you say, to allow the transformers to blend in with the locals. And you're right about the computer not disginguishing between the autobots or decepticons.

Man, every time I think about it, I'm a bit more stoked for this movie.


And to be nitpicky: That "ship" is called "Ark" and that "Toyota Van" must have been Ironhide. The über-Aliens are the Quintessons and the über-Transformer was Unicron.

/geek

parallaxicality
2006-Jun-10, 08:52 PM
Unicron? Wasn't that Orson Welles? Man that guy fell hard.

Moose
2006-Jun-11, 01:57 AM
And to be nitpicky: That "ship" is called "Ark" and that "Toyota Van" must have been Ironhide.

I'd forgotten the Ark. It's been a long, long time since I'd seen the original Transformers. My first thought had been that the van was Ironhide, but I'd second-guessed myself into (somehow) thinking it was Jazz, the white sports car.

Ah well. Thanks for the nitpicks. :)

Gildamere
2006-Jun-11, 08:01 AM
Unicron? Wasn't that Orson Welles? Man that guy fell hard.

There's even the rumor that Welles died during the production and Leonard Nimoy took over and completed all of Unicrons lines. But it's just a rumor.

HenrikOlsen
2006-Jun-11, 12:03 PM
Do we build fighter craft that can repair and rearm themselves? Transport vehicles that can also double as electricians?

Vehicles have their uses in transportation, but are ill suited to other tasks. Wouldn't it be spiffy if, instead of having to own a car and find a parking space for it every day, we could simply turn into some form better suited to rapid transportation, then transform back to our original shape when we'd completed our commute?
A bit like these (http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=010710) are used? Read link and next three days to see what I mean.

Moose
2006-Jun-12, 01:23 AM
A bit like these (http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=010710) are used? Read link and next three days to see what I mean.

*grin* Yeah, pretty much.

Doodler
2006-Jun-12, 03:12 AM
I'd forgotten the Ark. It's been a long, long time since I'd seen the original Transformers. My first thought had been that the van was Ironhide, but I'd second-guessed myself into (somehow) thinking it was Jazz, the white sports car.

Ah well. Thanks for the nitpicks. :)

I think it was Jazz. He had a more buslike appearance on Cybertron.

Daniel H.
2006-Jun-14, 02:23 AM
Apparently they were built by some uber-aliens to defeat a giant uber-transformer thing. I am pretty sure they were not originally designed to transform, their ship decided it was a good idea to retro-fit them while they were unconcious after crash-landing on Earth. The ship figured they wouldn't fit in with the other machines on the planet so it modified them. Unfortunately it couldn't tell the difference between friend and foe so everybody got modified (this after the decepticons managed to get on board the ship).


And to be nitpicky: That "ship" is called "Ark" and that "Toyota Van" must have been Ironhide. The über-Aliens are the Quintessons and the über-Transformer was Unicron.

/geek

And to be even more nitpicky, (from what I recall of the show) they weren't built to battle Unicron, they were built as merchandise. The Decepticons started life as the military line, and the Autobots started life as the labor line. Whoever was responsible for configuring the computer that actually programmed them botched the job, and they didn't get a "no harming thy creator" setting, or proper caps on their learning abilities. A few millenia later, they've developed sufficient emotions to object to being slave labor. One uprising later, and the Quintessons have gotten a lesson in programming proper subservience that cost them a factory-planet.

...uhh, yeah, so I'm SO going to be seeing this movie. :)

lti
2006-Jun-17, 03:53 AM
There is at least as many origin storied for the transformers as there are incarnations of the original tv show.

Instead of complaining that something is stupid when your failing memory or lack of knowledge means you dont know anything about it, you could research it. Google provides a wealth of information, or specifically you could try wikipedia.

I for one am looking forward to this movie and hope it will be as truthful and consistant with G1 as possible. I dont want it to be based of the awefull japanese transformers that exist today, like the computer game that came out recently.

Doodler
2006-Jun-19, 06:53 PM
I for one am looking forward to this movie and hope it will be as truthful and consistant with G1 as possible. I dont want it to be based of the awefull japanese transformers that exist today, like the computer game that came out recently.

My personal belief, considering what I've seen coming out of Hollywood lately, whatever does emerge will only superficially resemble anything we know about the series.

Inferno
2006-Jun-22, 03:01 AM
My personal belief, considering what I've seen coming out of Hollywood lately, whatever does emerge will only superficially resemble anything we know about the series.

Too true. And Optimus will probably have a giant Pepsi sign on the side of his trailer.

Romanus
2006-Jun-22, 02:41 PM
Twenty years for a "new" Transformers movie. I'm guessing this means I can expect more Transformers movies in 2026, 2046...

Just goes to show that Hollywood is seriously running out of juice. And they wonder why box office draws are down.

HenrikOlsen
2006-Jun-22, 04:57 PM
No, expect transformers II in 1.5 years.
When that one bombs (only fans of the original transformers watch it), expect transformers III two years later with a different writer and director for a new and exciting adventure, but the same execs who makes the same stupid decisions.

Romanus
2006-Jun-23, 07:12 PM
^
Lol. :D

parallaxicality
2006-Jun-27, 07:33 PM
for everyone who actually wants to see this:

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2006/bumble.jpg

Cl1mh4224rd
2006-Jun-27, 08:27 PM
for everyone who actually wants to see this:

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2006/bumble.jpg
I don't believe this... I managed to see the image, and I promtly sent the link to a friend. Six minutes later when he goes to check it out, it's gone. :(

HenrikOlsen
2006-Jun-28, 02:32 AM
They probably don't allow external linking.
Let's have a link to the page it was on.

Inferno
2006-Jun-28, 03:23 AM
It has been removed the site, apparently at the request of the movie studio.

TheBlackCat
2006-Jun-28, 03:33 AM
ainitcool took it off "due to studio request". So I googled it, figuring others wouldn't by quite so amicable to the studio. I don't know if this is the same picture, but it is apparently from the movie and is of the same character:

http://www.canmag.com/images/front/transformers/bumble.jpg

The site also had this:

http://www.canmag.com/images/front/transformers/set-devastator.jpg

Inferno
2006-Jun-28, 03:36 AM
Fascinating. Such a bummer that Bay is directing this.

Doodler
2006-Jun-28, 01:48 PM
http://www.canmag.com/images/front/transformers/set-devastator.jpg

Interesting, so they're using the triple forms in this one...

Kristophe
2006-Jun-28, 07:48 PM
Too true. And Optimus will probably have a giant Pepsi sign on the side of his trailer.

They have you beat (http://www.tfsource.com/Reissues/Pepsi%20Prime/pepsi-prime.htm), by twenty years (http://www.toyarchive.com/Transformers/ToyOptimusPrimePepsi.html) even (http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm).

Inferno
2006-Jun-29, 03:18 AM
They have you beat (http://www.tfsource.com/Reissues/Pepsi%20Prime/pepsi-prime.htm), by twenty years (http://www.toyarchive.com/Transformers/ToyOptimusPrimePepsi.html) even (http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm).

Haha, that's great. Wasn't there an evil Optimus in the cartoon? He could root for coke. Cola wars return!

parallaxicality
2006-Jun-30, 07:32 AM
More info

Now I should warn; this page takes forever to load, and I can't even guarantee you'll be able to get onto the site. Plus, when you get to the site you have to scroll down to actually see what it's about. And then, when you click onto the announcement, you STILL have to wait ages for it to load, even if you have broadband.

And of course, as decreed by the Dark Metallic Gods of Cyberspace, you MUST. HAVE. SHOCKWAVE. Otherwise you are obviously a mere fungus worthy of extermination.

http://www.transformersmovie.com/

Nice that they referenced Beagle 2, but why was everyone on the radio American? And since when is Mars's sky blue?

Cl1mh4224rd
2006-Jun-30, 08:26 AM
Nice that they referenced Beagle 2, but why was everyone on the radio American? And since when is Mars's sky blue?
Not to mention that Beagle 2 wasn't a rover... :(

Doodler
2006-Jun-30, 03:42 PM
Only two words of explanation.

Micheal. Bey.

Nothing more need be said.

TheBlackCat
2006-Jun-30, 04:48 PM
Not to mention that Beagle 2 wasn't a rover...
That's just what they want you to think ;)

All the problems notwithstanding, it was still a pretty cool scene.

HenrikOlsen
2006-Jul-03, 07:02 PM
Not to mention that Beagle 2 wasn't a rover... :(
My thought exactly when it rolled off the platform.

And why the white clouds on a blue sky when it should be butterscotch as everyone knows.

And why the sounds in near vacuum.

Just checked Michael Bey (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000881/), Armageddon!
Ok, that's one university (http://www.wesleyan.edu/) that should be burned to the ground, have it's ashed salted and then be used as a landfill for nuclear waste.

Pleiades
2006-Jul-11, 05:34 AM
Well I saw the trailer in the theater today. It starts out with the Beagle 2, and I'm thinking WT@#! I didn't know what it was about, but it had me snickering at the end. So that's what happened to the Beagle...Okay.

Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the Transformers when growing up and will probably see the movie. It's looks good on the big screen even though I didn't seen any transforming.

Inferno
2006-Jul-12, 12:29 AM
Please tell me that is not in the final movie! Looked so cheap and awful.

parallaxicality
2006-Jul-12, 09:09 AM
It isn't. According to Bay, Mars doesn't figure in the movie itself. I wish that made me feel better, but given Bay's record with scientific accuracy, I'm sure by the time this movie comes out we'll have plenty more reasons to nitpick

HenrikOlsen
2006-Jul-12, 09:50 PM
It starts out with the Beagle 2, and I'm thinking WT@#!
It starts with the Beagle 2 rover, which was my WTF moment.

Inferno
2006-Jul-13, 01:39 AM
Some news that will rest your fears about this movie....

The story and script were written by the people that brought you Mission Impossible III, The Island, The Core and Catwoman. Oh yeah!

Doodler
2006-Jul-13, 02:21 AM
Some news that will rest your fears about this movie....

The story and script were written by the people that brought you Mission Impossible III, The Island, The Core and Catwoman. Oh yeah!

My fears have been laid to rest. Having come so true so suddenly, the shock killed them instantly.

A memorial service for my fears will be scheduled soon.

sbporter
2006-Jul-15, 03:17 AM
Reactions to the trailer ranged from "Beagle II Rover?!?" to "Ah ha! Beage did find water!" (in reference to the shot of one the MER prototypes sitting in what is obviously a salt flat) when seen @ JPL the other day...

Simon ;)

parallaxicality
2006-Jul-15, 08:06 AM
Oooh! I'd love to talk to JPL about that trailer!

So. Could we have a definitive guide to all the scientific mistakes in the trailer?

* Beagle 2 wasn't American (what kind of rocket was featured in the trailer?)

* Beagle 2 wasn't a rover

* Mars's sky isn't blue (are the clouds OK?)

* Mars's terrain isn't yellow

* The Transformer wouldn't make such sounds in a near-vacuum

* Mars has not demonstrated any evidence of salt flats

Any others?

NASA Fan
2006-Jul-20, 02:37 AM
The brief shot of Mission Control we saw looked an awfull lot like the MCC for the space shuttles. I have not seen the MCC at JPL for a long time, but I don't rember them being similar. (Yes, I may be wrong).

Redtail
2006-Jul-24, 10:07 PM
YES!!! Bumble Bee will save us!

Pleiades
2006-Dec-21, 12:58 AM
So here's the latest trailer.

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/transformers.html

Moose
2006-Dec-21, 11:46 AM
Other than Optimus, I didn't recognize a single transformer in that trailer. I feel so old.

Doodler
2006-Dec-21, 01:31 PM
All I'm gonna say is this:

I HATE MICHEAL BAY!!

Dang it, while I admit its a teaser trailer, that freakin' thing didn't stay on one shot long enough to focus on any damned thing...

This guy really needs to get off the coke habit.

erisi236
2006-Dec-21, 09:30 PM
Couldn't they have at least put in a full view of Optimus at the end saying "Lets roll out!" or something? I guess that would make too much sense. :D

novaderrik
2006-Dec-23, 04:48 AM
since i have a whopping 26.4k dial up connection, i can't comment on any new trailer..
but Entertainment Tonight did a little story about the movie, and the transformations just seemed a little bit overly complicated. i think i saw Optimus's head form out of a dozen moving parts..
and the "transform" sound was all wrong.
worst. cartoon-to-live action-translation. ever.
so, i'll only see it twice on opening weekend, then buy the DVD the night it comes out..
and, since Clerks2 is now out on DVD, every time i think of the Transformers movie, i think of LOTR and Star Wars, as well.

lti
2006-Dec-25, 12:10 PM
Well they have completely changed the aesthetic from the original. Disapointing. Nothing in that trailer really interested me. It looks like any generic action movie.

I'll say it again: dissapointing.

soylentgreen
2006-Dec-31, 01:38 AM
Well they have completely changed the aesthetic from the original. Disapointing. Nothing in that trailer really interested me. It looks like any generic action movie.

I'll say it again: dissapointing.


How could a movie about giant transforming robots starring Bernie Mac, Shia Lebouf, Tyrese Gibson and Jon Voight possibly be disappointing? ;)

I understand Michelle Pierce is phenomenal as 'Socialite #2'.

With an average 2.3 second shot length, at least you won't be disappointed by any one shot for very long.


If you wan't lti, you can come on over, I'll address the Will Smith I AM LEGEND travesty and we can weep together. :(

Kristophe
2006-Dec-31, 02:41 AM
I weep already. At least there'll be lots of shiny things, and explosions to keep me entertained. Hopefully, that'll prevent my brain from screaming obscenities at me until the movie's over.

snabald
2006-Dec-31, 08:45 PM
That's all I expect out of this - mindless fun.

Inferno
2007-Jan-08, 12:35 AM
On the positive side, it keeps the glimpses of the transformers to a bare minimum which is a nice change from the trailers these days that give away everything.

On the other hand, it does suggest that this is a human story (including the obligatory Michael Bay patented sappy love story), and not focusing on the transformers as characters in their own right.

I only want mindless fun too, but with Bay I usually only end up with the first half of that equation.

Doodler
2007-Mar-14, 09:25 PM
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=40510

Hmm....

BenM
2007-Mar-14, 09:58 PM
I'm guessing that speaks more to the arbitrary craziness that is the MPAA than it does to the content of the movie.

novaderrik
2007-Mar-15, 01:39 AM
well, according to this quote from that page:

"Just Megatron's arm has 15,000 moving pieces that all converge like [a] Rubik's Cube"

the transformations alone will take up half of the running time of the movie.

snabald
2007-Apr-04, 04:10 PM
Has anyone seen the TV spots yet?

Seeing a jet turn into a robot in mid air was amazing, the CG looks to be very well done.

parallaxicality
2007-Apr-04, 06:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM_kMjEC_PY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nqGCEOY_qY&NR=1

These spots? Yeah they're pretty cool.

Notice how they used the same tagline and narrator as with War of the Worlds? Harbringer indeed...

snabald
2007-May-18, 12:38 AM
There is a new trailer up, and the CG robots are looking as fantastic as ever, plus Optimus Prime looking like he's about to go all karate.

http://movies.yahoo.com/summer-movies/Transformers/1808716430/trailers/31/180

Doodler
2007-May-21, 08:29 PM
There is a new trailer up, and the CG robots are looking as fantastic as ever, plus Optimus Prime looking like he's about to go all karate.

http://movies.yahoo.com/summer-movies/Transformers/1808716430/trailers/31/180

The use of the original voice actor for Prime will probably save this one for me. That, and their use of the original transformation sound effect at the end of his rig to robot conversion.

On the cheeseball side, Starscream as a silver F-22 instead of a red F-15 is a little annoying.

parallaxicality
2007-May-21, 09:47 PM
Ah but the F-22 is so much cooler looking than the F-15!

frenat
2007-May-22, 03:47 AM
And more modern, not to mention stealthy. If their vehicle forms are intended to just fit in then the F-15 is still way more common than an F-22 but if intended to fit in and be state of the art then the F-22 is the way to go.

Alex W.
2007-May-28, 02:06 AM
Giant transforming robots? Check.
Giant robots punching eachother? Check.
Giant robots wrecking up the place? Check.
Giant robots transforming, punching eachother, and then wrecking up the place? Check.

Well that's all my expectations satisfied. Talk of a Stan Bush track on the OST is just a bonus frankly.

Ronald Brak
2007-May-28, 02:51 AM
But will this movie answer the question of whether or not Optimus Prime is a robot that can transform into a truck or a truck that can transform into a robot? The correct answer is obvious, but there are certain heretics whose blasphemies need to be stamped out.

novaderrik
2007-May-28, 05:57 AM
But will this movie answer the question of whether or not Optimus Prime is a robot that can transform into a truck or a truck that can transform into a robot? The correct answer is obvious, but there are certain heretics whose blasphemies need to be stamped out.
well, they RE "robots in disguise"... that pretty much says it all.
it is maybe possible that Optimus is really a robot in the shape of a gorilla, and everything is just a dream as he sleeps one night...

but i can't figure out one thing..
where is the Transformers marketing blitz? i kinda figured Wal Mart would have their shelves packed full of new Transformers stuff by now, but the only thing even remotely close to Transformers were the Star Wars ships that turn into the main characters of that film..
maybe they'll move the Pirates stuff out of the way when it's cycle is thru and put the cool stuff there..

Ronald Brak
2007-May-28, 07:33 AM
well, they RE "robots in disguise"... that pretty much says it all.

Yes, but maybe that's exactly what they want you to think!

mr obvious
2007-May-28, 12:52 PM
I believe the use of transformations into Earth-based vehicles occurred after the robots were in functioning form for a while. Thus, they are likely robots first and other stuff (not just vehicles, I guess) second, unless they changed the back-story.

Re:marketing blitz. Does the movie come out on July 4? It's a bit early to do the marketing blitz, with Shrek and Pirates still dominating attention. I'd think it'd come in early-to-mid June.

Does anyone know what Megatron actually transforms into?

Delvo
2007-May-28, 01:03 PM
The movie's versions of the Transformers, each composed of a zillion tiny little doodads, are too complicated to make toys out of. And the old original toys would differ too much from the movie's incarnations.

novaderrik
2007-May-29, 03:51 AM
The movie's versions of the Transformers, each composed of a zillion tiny little doodads, are too complicated to make toys out of. And the old original toys would differ too much from the movie's incarnations.
i don't recall the toys from 20 years ago transforming like they did on tv every day after school, so i don't think that's much of a hurdle.
now that i think of it- it's even stranger that there are no Transformers toys at Wal Mart now, since i was looking at an Optimus Prime toy there just a few weeks ago, and they had a bunch of smaller Transformers at that time, too. now, they are all gone, and there are only the cheap Chinese knockoffs in their place.. no doubt they cleared them out to make way for the official movie merchandise in the next week or two..

novaderrik
2007-May-29, 07:26 PM
there are movie toys out there, i guess.
i looked at www.transformers.com and looked thru all the new toys..
Megatron is some sort of a futuristic anime jet fighter thing that looks like he was designed by a 5th grade Japanese art student on acid, and Optimus has flames on his hood.

snabald
2007-May-29, 08:18 PM
Does anyone know what Megatron actually transforms into?

Megatron keeps his "native" form in the movie and never takes an earth form, he's an alien spaceship/jet type thing.

mr obvious
2007-May-29, 11:49 PM
Thanks for the answer, folks! I hope it doesn't turn into a full-fledged cars versus planes only. I kind of liked the variety, with Soundwave, Megatron being a non-jet, dinobots, insecticons, etc. Actually I thought I saw a non-vehicle in the trailer, but couldn't quite make it out.

novaderrik
2007-May-30, 12:22 AM
Thanks for the answer, folks! I hope it doesn't turn into a full-fledged cars versus planes only. I kind of liked the variety, with Soundwave, Megatron being a non-jet, dinobots, insecticons, etc. Actually I thought I saw a non-vehicle in the trailer, but couldn't quite make it out.
was it a giant scorpion?
Scorponok..

mr obvious
2007-May-30, 10:22 PM
I don't know what it was. It was too brief, but it did look like a crawling-type creature. Perhaps it was a scorpion.

snabald
2007-Jul-03, 10:43 PM
I went and saw it last night.

Shot on plot, long on stuff blowing up and giant robots that destroyed everything around them when they fought.

I loved it.

Noclevername
2007-Jul-03, 11:14 PM
Shot on plot, long on stuff blowing up and giant robots that destroyed everything around them when they fought.

So, about what we expected then.

novaderrik
2007-Jul-04, 06:00 AM
just got back from seeing it..
holy crap...
there were a few things i didn't like- the overly complex transformations and the "bullet time" thing they did from time to time- but overall, i thought it was a good movie.
a few of the voices were familiar- Optimus, Megatron and (i think) Starscream. some of the others might have been, as well, but i haven't seen one of the old shows for a while.
it had everything- a love story, idiotic top secret government agents, and robots tearing stuff up. they even threw in a few references to movies like Armageddon (one guy said how silly that movie was), and Bumblebee opened his doorto damage a yellow old style VW Beetle at the used car lot. even some dialog between Megatron and Optimus was taken directly from the old movie- word for word.
who could ask for more?
and we all now know what the true purpose of the Hoover dam is, and that there will be a sequel....

Noclevername
2007-Jul-04, 06:23 AM
a few of the voices were familiar- Optimus, Megatron and (i think) Starscream.


The guy who did the original Starscream, Chris Latta, is dead, this one is voiced by Charlie Adler.

V-GER
2007-Jul-04, 01:22 PM
I went and saw it last night.

Shot on plot, long on stuff blowing up and giant robots that destroyed everything around them when they fought.

I loved it.

Thanks, that's all I needed to hear. I'll see it next week.

novaderrik
2007-Jul-05, 01:56 AM
my biggest complaint was that Michael Bay thought that Optimus need a mouth for some reason. i always thought he was kind of cool with just a shield over where his mouth was. well, he had the mouth shield in the movie- but it moved in by itself right before he took on Megatron, so it was just more uselss mechanical CGI wizardry.

korjik
2007-Jul-05, 07:15 PM
my biggest complaint was that Michael Bay thought that Optimus need a mouth for some reason. i always thought he was kind of cool with just a shield over where his mouth was. well, he had the mouth shield in the movie- but it moved in by itself right before he took on Megatron, so it was just more uselss mechanical CGI wizardry.

I thought is was good. I am starting to dislike Michael 'lets kill as many innocent bystanders as possible' Bey's directing style tho. Actually, I am starting to seriously dislike the current 'too much action to actually tell what is going on' style in general.

There were a couple rather stupid things, quite a few cliches, and waaaaaaay too much technobabble, but it was stll a decent movie.

a touch of spoiler here:





I liked that human weapons actually could hurt the transformers. I always annoys me when the aliens are completely immune to anything human, no matter what. Human stuff dosent have to do much, but it should do something.

parallaxicality
2007-Jul-06, 06:09 PM
OK, so the big question for me is, did it give anyone here headaches? I stopped watching Bay after Armageddon because his movies gave me headaches. It doesn't come out here for three weeks, so I need to know whether I should avoid it on health grounds.

Whirlpool
2007-Jul-07, 05:35 AM
I saw it , it didn't gave me one.

I enjoyed watching it.

;)

Kristophe
2007-Jul-07, 06:48 PM
This movie made me very sad. Very, very sad.

First, let me say, that for a movie called Transformers there's precious little actual Transformer action in the movie. The movie not once actually focuses on the robots as characters. Hell, the majority of lines given to the Transformers were ripped, kicking and screaming, out of the original Transformers cartoon movie from the 1980s.

I had very, very low expectations for this movie, but on some level I still expected it to be about giant alien robots fighting each other. Just about all of the movie reviews recap it as such. Some even talk about how long the robot fighting goes on, almost a straight hour claimed at least one reviewer. I counted about 10 minutes, and it was used as backdrop as the camera focused on some wiener kid sprinting through an abandoned sky rise that looked more like a warehouse.

The original cartoon was terrible. When I went back to watch it a few years ago, it made me wonder what kind of junk I was watching as a kid, and how I could have ever come up with happy memories of it all. But at least when it promised giant transforming space robots locked in an interstellar war, it delivered. This just felt like a typical Bay I LUV TEH US ARMY movie that, somewhere along the lines, had some transforming robots inserted in as gently as a rivet gets inserted into a cow's head.

I knew the movie was going to be bad. I had such low expectations of it. I knew there was going to be a lot of focus on the military. I even knew that my childhood emotions and memories were being exploited months in advance of the movie coming out. I was just expecting a 2 hour advertisement for Hasbro toys and video games, not a 2.5 hour commercial for GMC.

I mean, most of the Decepticons didn't even have a speaking role. We're just told to hate them in the same way we're told to hate Darth Maul: They're called Decepticons, therefore they're trying to destroy us.

Hey, even if the main story line was about the military trying to fight off the evil space robots and having marginal success, I'd probably be OK with that. But, to rip a phrase from a Rotten Tomatoes review, this movie was Herbie: Fully Loaded with some fighting on the side. The "star" of the movie is just an overly whiny, sweaty teenage boy who, in the process of trying to woo a girl way out of his league, happens to save the universe.

Let me tell you, I got stuck watching Herbie: Fully Loaded on an 8 hour bus ride between Edmonton and Regina last year. I didn't need that trauma to be brought up again.

All-in-all, I thought the movie stunk even without it "leaking lubricant" all over my childhood. But it did urinate all over my memories, and for that I'm doubly ticked off.

SKY
2007-Jul-08, 01:47 AM
This movie made me very sad. Very, very sad.

First, let me say, that for a movie called Transformers there's precious little actual Transformer action in the movie. The movie not once actually focuses on the robots as characters. Hell, the majority of lines given to the Transformers were ripped, kicking and screaming, out of the original Transformers cartoon movie from the 1980s.

I had very, very low expectations for this movie, but on some level I still expected it to be about giant alien robots fighting each other. Just about all of the movie reviews recap it as such. Some even talk about how long the robot fighting goes on, almost a straight hour claimed at least one reviewer. I counted about 10 minutes, and it was used as backdrop as the camera focused on some wiener kid sprinting through an abandoned sky rise that looked more like a warehouse.

The original cartoon was terrible. When I went back to watch it a few years ago, it made me wonder what kind of junk I was watching as a kid, and how I could have ever come up with happy memories of it all. But at least when it promised giant transforming space robots locked in an interstellar war, it delivered. This just felt like a typical Bay I LUV TEH US ARMY movie that, somewhere along the lines, had some transforming robots inserted in as gently as a rivet gets inserted into a cow's head.

I knew the movie was going to be bad. I had such low expectations of it. I knew there was going to be a lot of focus on the military. I even knew that my childhood emotions and memories were being exploited months in advance of the movie coming out. I was just expecting a 2 hour advertisement for Hasbro toys and video games, not a 2.5 hour commercial for GMC.

I mean, most of the Decepticons didn't even have a speaking role. We're just told to hate them in the same way we're told to hate Darth Maul: They're called Decepticons, therefore they're trying to destroy us.

Hey, even if the main story line was about the military trying to fight off the evil space robots and having marginal success, I'd probably be OK with that. But, to rip a phrase from a Rotten Tomatoes review, this movie was Herbie: Fully Loaded with some fighting on the side. The "star" of the movie is just an overly whiny, sweaty teenage boy who, in the process of trying to woo a girl way out of his league, happens to save the universe.

Let me tell you, I got stuck watching Herbie: Fully Loaded on an 8 hour bus ride between Edmonton and Regina last year. I didn't need that trauma to be brought up again.

All-in-all, I thought the movie stunk even without it "leaking lubricant" all over my childhood. But it did urinate all over my memories, and for that I'm doubly ticked off.

Wow, pretty harsh review. I've seen it twice, and I didn't see any of the things you mentioned.


This movie made me very sad. Very, very sad.

First, let me say, that for a movie called Transformers there's precious little actual Transformer action in the movie. The movie not once actually focuses on the robots as characters. Hell, the majority of lines given to the Transformers were ripped, kicking and screaming, out of the original Transformers cartoon movie from the 1980s.

Huh, precious little transformation? In my mind I just counted 13 different transformations in the first half of the movie (yeah I'm a geek, oh well), and there's probably that many if not more in just the final battle of the movie.

I believe it's far fetched to say that the "Majority" of the lines given to the Transformers were "ripped, kicking and screaming", from the cartoon movie. I know of only one line "One shall stand, one shall fall." That's the only one I know of. And, for the amount of dialog the Transformers had in the trailers and TV spots, I was surprised to see just how much dialog they actually had in the movie.



I had very, very low expectations for this movie, but on some level I still expected it to be about giant alien robots fighting each other. Just about all of the movie reviews recap it as such. Some even talk about how long the robot fighting goes on, almost a straight hour claimed at least one reviewer. I counted about 10 minutes, and it was used as backdrop as the camera focused on some wiener kid sprinting through an abandoned sky rise that looked more like a warehouse.

I get the feeling that your low expectations influenced most of your experience. There is "robots fighting each other" in the movie, it's all a matter of how much you expect. While I agree that it's not a straight hour, I also think that your 10 minutes isn't correct either. You also make it sound as if ROBOT vs ROBOT is all the action in the film which to me the action seemed to take off from the start and not end until two and a half hours later.


The original cartoon was terrible. When I went back to watch it a few years ago, it made me wonder what kind of junk I was watching as a kid, and how I could have ever come up with happy memories of it all.

Which, again, makes me think you were determined from the start to hate the movie, and thus you looked for every reason to.


But at least when it promised giant transforming space robots locked in an interstellar war, it delivered.

I don't think this movie didn't either, I think you may have been expecting too much.


I knew the movie was going to be bad. I had such low expectations of it.

Again, it's just seems you were determined from the start.


I knew there was going to be a lot of focus on the military. I even knew that my childhood emotions and memories were being exploited months in advance of the movie coming out. I was just expecting a 2 hour advertisement for Hasbro toys and video games, not a 2.5 hour commercial for GMC.

Yeah, I wish commercials were as interesting as this movie.


I mean, most of the Decepticons didn't even have a speaking role. We're just told to hate them in the same way we're told to hate Darth Maul: They're called Decepticons, therefore they're trying to destroy us.

No, "we" hate them because they are trying to destroy "us". Actions speak as loud as words. How are we suppose to interpret a robot helicopter destroying a military base, or an self driven car threatening to run over someone cowering in front of it, or a radio shooting razor sharp CD's at people, the list goes on and on.


All-in-all, I thought the movie stunk even without it "leaking lubricant" all over my childhood. But it did urinate all over my memories, and for that I'm doubly ticked off.

It doesn't sound like your childhood memories of the franchise were that good to begin with.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put you down, I'm just rebutting your review of the movie. I do believe that most of your opinions where predetermined before you even watched it, but maybe it's just me.

Everyone's going to have a different opinion of the movie. I don't like most all of Michael Bays' other films, but I think that most people here would enjoy Transformers. If you forget for 2.5 hours that it's directed my Michael Bay, and that yeah, it's got some cliches and typecasts, it's still a fun film to just sit there and get lost in for a couple hours. The action is great, the transformations are awesome. I got chills watching Barricade running after Bubble bee, jump, transform in mid air, land speeding off in chase. Yeah, that's the geek in me too. ;)

SkepticJ
2007-Jul-08, 02:55 AM
I thought I was going to hate, hate, hate the movie, but aside from the typical Michael Bay editing of the movie as if it were a music video, the melodramatic musical score (which sounded just like it came out of Armageddon), the sappy romantic subplot and assorted other Michael Bay-isms, I enjoyed the film for what it was: a popcorn movie not meant to be taken seriously.

As for car product placement in the film, other than Bumblebee being a fictional car (which would kind of defeat the purpose in blending in), how could this criticism be avoided?

Whirlpool
2007-Jul-08, 03:51 AM
You also make it sound as if ROBOT vs ROBOT is all the action in the film which to me the action seemed to take off from the start and not end until two and a half hours later.

When I saw that movie, It was like, action from the start, and you get hooked watching it, this is because my son didn't sleep in this movie and is awake from the start to end. Anyway, it is indeed 2 and 1/2 hrs that fly so fast I didn't remember myself looking at my watch until the movie was finished.

One cliche I like [yeah its the girl in me] is when the girl decided to walk and leave her hunkie bf , the boy has a crush on her , and his car(bumbleblee) played the song "Who's gonna drive you home?" and followed the girl and offer her a ride. :p

Romanus
2007-Jul-08, 03:56 AM
I loved it. Yes, the characters were threadbare and stereotypical, and the movie had plot holes a mile wide, but for me the movie was kind of like junk food: empty, but terribly satisfying calories.

For me, a childhood Transformers fan, it was enjoyable, escapist nostalgia.

Delvo
2007-Jul-08, 04:36 AM
As for car product placement in the film, other than Bumblebee being a fictional car (which would kind of defeat the purpose in blending in), how could this criticism be avoided?He's a new Chevrolet Camaro. The concept was designed in 2006 and will be sold beginning with the 2008 or 2009 model year.

The way to avoid it would be to use a wider variety of manufacturers' vehicles. They wanted to keep Bumblebee a Beetle, for example, but VW refused to have its products associated with violence, so the movie makers didn't have permission to use VW vehicles. (I just don't know why they didn't go with something smaller and more buglike, like an Aveo or Cobalt... but then I don't know why Ratchet isn't a more practical model of ambulance or why Ironhide is a black pickup truck instead of a red van. Why do that and still keep the names?) I think I might have heard of Ford refusing permission for similar reasons to VW. Certainly, even if others gave permission, the more companies whose stuff you use, the more companies you have to pay to use their stuff, and that increases costs.

Not that it really counts as a commercial anyway, since people in general don't look at cars and immediately automaticly know what company made them, and the company name and slogans weren't being used...

novaderrik
2007-Jul-08, 10:03 PM
this movie was the back story- the setup for the next one.
i'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that the next one will have a resurrected Megatron looking to kick some butt, and a whiny, cowardly, back stabbing Starscream doing whatever he can to take control from Megatron.
it will be glorious.

snabald
2007-Jul-09, 04:00 AM
I'm not sure I agree with something in Phil's review:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/movies/transformers.html

In many many scenes, it's indicated that the robots are really massive. We see them slamming into the ground making craters, there is a loud thump when they walk, and at one point their motion makes a character think an earthquake is occurring.

Think of this as an example - Optimus Prime is a rather large semi truck, I'm not sure of the exact weight, but don't they weight several thousands of tons?

Now you take that, and stand it up, now you have the entire weight of a semi truck concentrated into the area of the robot's two feet, not spread out among the tires and suspension of the truck. It seems pretty plausible that when the robot walks the ground would shake and it would leave craters.

cjl
2007-Jul-09, 04:23 AM
Thousands of tons?

Not quite - a standard semi is limited to 80,000 pounds gross weight. So other than the "oversize load" trucks, the peak is around 40 tons. That's still a lot though...

Delvo
2007-Jul-09, 04:48 AM
No land vehicle weighs thousands of tons. Cars weigh about 1.2-1.9 tons and the bigger, heavier pickup trucks can be more like 3 tons apiece unloaded, and Optimus Prime's kind of truck can't be very many times as big as them. Skimming through some manufacturer websites, I'm seeing cab/tractor weights all the way from 5 to 10 tons at the extreme, but more typically from 6 to 7.

An F-22 weighs 31,700 pounds (15.85 tons) empty but can carry enough fuel and weapons to add up to 80,000 pounds (40 tons) at take-off.

That much weight on two walking feet or falling from a substantial height could cause shaking for some distance away. But I don't think "craters" have been seen where such cars & trucks have fallen off of bridges/cliffs, and I haven't even heard of it from fighter plane crashes.

EDG
2007-Jul-09, 04:52 AM
I thought the movie was OK... entertaining but not ultimately awesome. Which is about what I was expecting.

The plot had some cavernous holes, the autobots had far too much screentime and dialogue (I wanted to see more of the decepticons, who were much cooler by far as usual), and the film was by and large fairly incoherent and didn't actually get started IMO til they left the dam.

Though there were some crazy examples of human insanity in it, like hiding the "iceman" under a dam (which I'm surprised didn't get blown up), and deciding to go to the city (where thousands of innocent bystanders can be killed or injured) to have a fight. What the heck?!

novaderrik
2007-Jul-09, 06:24 AM
they didn't go to the city to "have a fight", they went there to try to hide the Allspark from the Decepticons and try to buy some time to get it out of the area.

doesn't anyone ever listen to dialog any more?

SkepticJ
2007-Jul-09, 06:36 AM
Though there were some crazy examples of human insanity in it, like hiding the "iceman" under a dam (which I'm surprised didn't get blown up), and deciding to go to the city (where thousands of innocent bystanders can be killed or injured) to have a fight. What the heck?!

All the reliable electrical power you could ever ask for to keep him cold. Also, it would take a *bleeping* lot to blow up Hoover Dam. A tactical nuclear bomb with a direct hit could probably do it.

EDG
2007-Jul-09, 06:52 AM
All the reliable electrical power you could ever ask for to keep him cold. Also, it would take a *bleeping* lot to blow up Hoover Dam. A tactical nuclear bomb with a direct hit could probably do it.

Oh pshaw, I thought Megatron took a good chunk out of one in one of the early issues of the comic :) (at least, I remember a scene where there was a big fight over a dam and I'm fairly sure the dam got damaged at least).

Was that supposed to be Hoover Dam in the film? It did kinda look like it.

EDG
2007-Jul-09, 06:55 AM
they didn't go to the city to "have a fight", they went there to try to hide the Allspark from the Decepticons and try to buy some time to get it out of the area.

doesn't anyone ever listen to dialog any more?

You're missing the point. If you've got a bunch of very destructive giant robots chasing after something you have, then the very last place you should be leading them to is a densely populated city.

(course I have to wonder how they thought they could get it out of there anyway, given that the Decepticons could and did shoot the extraction helicopters down)

cjl
2007-Jul-09, 06:57 AM
You could probably take out something like Hoover Dam with a few nice heavy bombs sunk behind it on the water side of the dam...

If you drop them into the water, and then blow them up near the dam a hundred feet underwater or so, the water could help transmit the shockwave, and at very least damage it. It would take a lot, but I would bet that a few tons of standard explosives could do it if done right.

(It would have to be pretty precise though - not just dropping bombs all over the place and hoping to hit)

Doodler
2007-Jul-09, 01:34 PM
Saw it on Friday, I liked a LOT more than I disliked.

I gave the transformers themselves about three seconds apiece to convince me the translation from cartoon to live action was done right. The Autobots passed with flying colors, the echoes of their Gen1 personalities were perfect. New vehicle types were a given, so complaints there seem a little childish in retrospect, though Bumblebee's 10 second makeover halfway through was pretty sweet.

The Decepticons were almost unrecognizable, even the familiar Starscream was lacking in anything of his original personality. Megatron's new form was fine, totally understandable from a physics standpoint, through Hasbro can kiss my lily white posterior about their anti-gun crap.

On the downside, they didn't pick many mainstream Decepticons. On the upside, they didn't pick many mainstream Decepticons. Aside from Megatron and Soundwave, the next three core Decepticons were virtual clones of one another (Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp). The secondstringers they put in the movie were reasonable choices, though they kinda blurred the old ground/air line that was a key plot point from the original series.

The caricature nature of the US government as presented was not unexpected, though I think the MiB stand ins were annoying.

One thing that carried through from the original movie, aside from virtually every line in Megatron's and Prime's duel, was the lack of fear of a robotic body count. No reset buttons here, they break, they hurt, and they die.

The bottom line, though, I got what I was looking for. A reasonably competent translation of a 20 year old cartoon into a modern live action movie.

snabald
2007-Jul-09, 01:47 PM
No land vehicle weighs thousands of tons. Cars weigh about 1.2-1.9 tons and the bigger, heavier pickup trucks can be more like 3 tons apiece unloaded, and Optimus Prime's kind of truck can't be very many times as big as them. Skimming through some manufacturer websites, I'm seeing cab/tractor weights all the way from 5 to 10 tons at the extreme, but more typically from 6 to 7.

An F-22 weighs 31,700 pounds (15.85 tons) empty but can carry enough fuel and weapons to add up to 80,000 pounds (40 tons) at take-off.

That much weight on two walking feet or falling from a substantial height could cause shaking for some distance away. But I don't think "craters" have been seen where such cars & trucks they've fallen off of bridges/cliffs.

Oops - I meant to type "thousands of pounds."

novaderrik
2007-Jul-09, 05:54 PM
The Decepticons were almost unrecognizable, even the familiar Starscream was lacking in anything of his original personality.

well ,the first time he saw Megatron- what did he do? he bowed down and stated how he gives all his loyalty to Megatron- and only THEN telling him that the humans and Autobots have gotten away with the Allspark. good news first, then bad news.. sounds like Starscream to me.
i'll bet the next movie will have a lot more of the old school Megatron/Starscream dynamic- Megatron is dead (hope that wasn't a spoiler..), and that would leave him in charge. who wants to bet me that Megatron gets resurrected in the next one, and takes his leadership role back from Starscream- much like in the cartoon movie when he gets resurrected as Galvatron and takes Starscream out with one shot?

crosscountry
2007-Jul-09, 09:42 PM
I got to see it here. entertaining but there was a lot I might have changed.


what was the point of the Australian girl and her friend? They added nothing to the plot.

And yes, I would have liked to see some more far away scenes to actually watch the fighting - close up fighting moves too fast and it's hard to see any action at all.

Doodler
2007-Jul-09, 10:09 PM
well ,the first time he saw Megatron- what did he do? he bowed down and stated how he gives all his loyalty to Megatron- and only THEN telling him that the humans and Autobots have gotten away with the Allspark. good news first, then bad news.. sounds like Starscream to me.
i'll bet the next movie will have a lot more of the old school Megatron/Starscream dynamic- Megatron is dead (hope that wasn't a spoiler..), and that would leave him in charge. who wants to bet me that Megatron gets resurrected in the next one, and takes his leadership role back from Starscream- much like in the cartoon movie when he gets resurrected as Galvatron and takes Starscream out with one shot?

Supposedly a sequel is already in the works, which is one of the key reasons Soundwave was sidelined.

Personally, I like my idea. Shoot Micheal Bay in the mouth and hire Sam Raimi.

crosscountry
2007-Jul-09, 10:35 PM
I thought I was going to hate, hate, hate the movie, but aside from the typical Michael Bay editing of the movie as if it were a music video, the melodramatic musical score (which sounded just like it came out of Armageddon), the sappy romantic subplot and assorted other Michael Bay-isms, I enjoyed the film for what it was: a popcorn movie not meant to be taken seriously.

As for car product placement in the film, other than Bumblebee being a fictional car (which would kind of defeat the purpose in blending in), how could this criticism be avoided?



I found the score to be quite boring. I couldn't put my finger on how bad, but when you say Armageddon I agree.

Romanus
2007-Jul-09, 11:06 PM
<<Personally, I like my idea. Shoot Micheal Bay in the mouth and hire Sam Raimi.>>

That's what I'm talking about...

peter eldergill
2007-Jul-10, 12:09 AM
I enjoyed the movie for what it was...it was fun and that's about it

One thing I didn't get was after the giant robots battling in the city and destroying it big time, (allcaps (TM) coming for effect, WHY WERE THERE PEOPLE STILL DRIVING AND WALKING IN THE STREET!)

I really liked the helicopter's attack in the beginning of the movie, they made him near invincible, then he didn't use any of his cool weapons in the final showdown....pretty dissapointing

Pete
I saw a trailer

Delvo
2007-Jul-11, 12:40 AM
I'm not sure I agree with something in Phil's review:
Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy: Review: Transformers (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/movies/transformers.html)That review had some other oddities in it.

One was saying that a character had said "gravitational" when he meant "magnetic". The character actually said "magnetic".

Another was saying that a falling human was suddenly stopped after a long fall by Optimus Prime's hand, and that he fell some long distance IN Optimus Prime's hand and survived that too. But neither one is accurate. For the original fall from the top of the building, not only was that character's fall VERY shortened because he was grabbed practically right after first starting to fall many floors above the ground instead of at the last moment, but they also clearly showed Optimus Prime nearly-matching the human's velocity with his hand and swinging his arm back and down to decelerate gradually over some distance (roughly one-and-a-half to two times the length of his arm; from the hand's position with the arm up to the hand's position with the arm down). That's the same thing elevators do in order to make their stops not just safe, but almost unnoticible. Then, for the rest of the way down, they weren't falling at all; they were descending while Optimus Prime used his other hand and feet to control the speed of descent.

The point about the robots being more massive than their alternate forms is a good one, especially because the movie's makers originally said they wouldn't have any size changes in this movie. How can you go from that to making Transformer robot forms who have footprints half as big as their own vehicle forms? But some of that other stuff the Bad Astronomer wrote in the same article looks like he just wasn't paying any attention and figured that certain types of silly errors just MUST have been in there.

crosscountry
2007-Jul-11, 08:33 AM
speaking of the city scene.

is there any way to have ground based robots fight flight robots without cities?



what would Spiderman do without a nice skyline?

crosscountry
2007-Jul-11, 08:44 AM
you know, normally I don't read Phil's blog, and now I wish I hadn't.



calling something stupid and dumb doesn't help his arguments, nor does his poor memory of what really happened. The character did say magnetic (I have that scene on my computer) I guess I'll continue to forget there is a blog associated with the BA part of this site. Although the UT blog is interesting!

Dave Mitsky
2007-Jul-11, 04:05 PM
Transformers (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_the_movie/) - only 57% on the Tomatometer but, interestingly enough, a higher Cream of the Crop score of 72%.

Dave Mitsky

Delvo
2007-Jul-12, 02:52 AM
Here's a nitpick about it that even nitpicky people might not notice: there's no possible year in which to set this movie, neither as present nor as past nor as future.

They showed F-22s in active duty in a location where there are no F-22s yet. (They just came out of testing & evlauation and into full production for regular service late last year, so there are only a few flying, and they're based in the USA, not a foreign desert.) So it's the (possibly near) future, right?... except that they also showed stock film that had to have been taken more than half of a year ago, maybe closer to a whole year: an aircraft carrier carrying F-14s. (F-14s got decommissioned in 2006.)

frenat
2007-Jul-12, 03:17 AM
F-22's have actually already gone on their first deployment (It was a short one to Korea for an exercise). They have 2 full squadrons now and starting on their third. The first is a training squadron at Tyndall AFB. The second and third are active duty combat squadrons at Langley AFB. A future squadron will be a guard unit. They are planning on 2 squadrons at Elmendorf and one at Hickam. But yes the F-14s were a mistake.

crosscountry
2007-Jul-12, 08:39 AM
Did you read what happened when Optimus Prime reported his claims to GEICO?


Denied! (http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2007/7/9weaver.html)

GDwarf
2007-Jul-14, 09:24 PM
who wants to bet me that Megatron gets resurrected in the next one
I kinda expect Unicron to make an appearance.



Anyways, I was surprised by the movie, it was much better then I was expecting. If you don't mind mindless action then you should certainly see it.

crosscountry
2007-Jul-15, 12:09 AM
Did you read what happened when Optimus Prime reported his claims to GEICO?


Denied! (http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2007/7/9weaver.html)


I'm thinking of starting a seperate thread because no one even looked at this here.

Moose
2007-Jul-15, 02:01 PM
I saw this last night. I dunno if they have multiple versions out, but they definitely claimed Megatron was downed by the "gravitational field". There was absolutely no mention or hint of magnetism except the Autobots disarming the feds by magnetically plucking their guns out of their hands. I was paying very close attention during that scene.

I, like others, was worried Michael Bay would rape my childhood. He didn't, thankfully. But I'm pretty sure he copped a feel.

I like what they did with Bumblebee. I didn't especially like what they did with Optimus Prime, but he was watchable. I hated what they did with Megatron, and wasn't thrilled with Frenzy. Watching Jazz was like watching The Itchy and Scratchy... and Poochie Show.

Other than that, it was watchable.

dgavin
2007-Jul-15, 04:04 PM
Watched it last night myself, and I was not a big Transformers fan. I'm from the Bugs Bunny era of cartoons.

I did like the first animated Tranformers movie though.

And I liked this one. It was a 100% action flick, and in that capasity it delivered well. Beyond well actually, I think over all it was much better done then some of the comics to movies recently.

Things that I liked about it:
1. Although you see robots being torn libm from limb, as far as I could tell you never actualy saw a human die a messy death. Here Michal learned from the old masters finnaly, he cut away to action scenes then later on, might come back to a shot of a dead soldier/person. There really wasn't a lot of Gore in the movie. A+ for this one.
2. Dialog was about at par for an action movie. Actually better then most, such as Terminator, Conan, etc...
3. I loved the humorous slams of both the silly policemen, and the Silly MIB's they did. Yet when it came to the military, he totaly portrayed the seriousness of them well. I especially liked the field captain, he was all action, only cared about the job at hand, and tried to motivate those around him to be the same way.
4. The FX were great, however I think they tried to make the decepticons look too evil.

Things I disliked:
1. The Decepticons. The only one they did right was Soundwave, who assumed many different mundane machine forms. However thier normal robot forms, all of them, were just made to look ouragously evil or nasty. It actually hurt the movie a bit by this, as it was a little too cliche-ish.

Over all though a definate good summer action film.

Noclevername
2007-Jul-15, 04:27 PM
However thier normal robot forms, all of them, were just made to look ouragously evil or nasty. It actually hurt the movie a bit by this, as it was a little too cliche-ish.


Well, they couldn't put giant robots in black cowboy hats, could they? ;)

SKY
2007-Jul-15, 07:01 PM
Things I disliked:
1. The Decepticons. The only one they did right was Soundwave, who assumed many different mundane machine forms. However thier normal robot forms, all of them, were just made to look ouragously evil or nasty. It actually hurt the movie a bit by this, as it was a little too cliche-ish.

Actually, they were originally going to call him Soundwave, but the creators decided to leave Soundwave for a bigger part in the sequel, so they renamed the Transformer in this one "Frenzy".

Delvo
2007-Jul-15, 09:10 PM
Fans of the original might remember the name "Frenzy" as one of Soundwave's team of "casettes". I think making him a small but independent stereo makes more sense than tagging multiple separate Decipticons to each other with functional dependency as in the original Soundwave "team" concept (plus it allowed the use of CDs as projectile weapons!). And it was good for one of the old "casette" names to be used on a fairly small, simple stereo this time; it allows for Soundwave to be a big fancy elaborate audio or communications system later on.

But Frenzy's habit of talking to himself in Ewok made no sense, even if some people think it was cute how much he seemed to enjoy drinking in the data. And he was also the first case we saw of a very bad idea that was shown three times in this movie: the Transformers' ability to scan something's structure and immediately redesign themselves to mimic it. If they can do that, they'd have to be essentially liquid like the second Terminator, at least some of the time, because one fixed set of solid mechanical parts can't be reconfigured into unlimited different arrangements. But then there's not only no need for geometrically elaborate mechanical transformations, but also no need for any of them to stick to a given vehicle type at all once they've chosen it. Maybe we're supposed to figure that that kind of thing is harder to do than regular mechanical movement, though, so they'd just tend to stay solid most of the time and only expend the effort on liquid-transformation when it's really needed. At least it's consistent with how they seemed to be able to heal from minor hits with most weapons, so it's nifty that that technical point was put to use in more than one way, but it also created a plot problem. Frenzy got decapitated and his intact head could just sprout spiderlegs and find itself a new form to take, but Jazz got completely, permanently killed by separation at the torso, and Bumblebee couldn't reconfigure himself after losing merely the lower parts of his legs?!? (And BTW, which Decepticon was it that he killed while riding on the flatbed? Blitzwing? Bonecrusher?)

Also, the regular Earthly machines just becoming Transformers from Cube exposure... and the detail that those new ones were all hostile... that's just loopy, and completely unnecessary.

And why would their car-forms' ENGINES look like an Earth engine?!

One funny little thing I noticed about Prowler was that, instead of the known cop-car motto "to protect and serve", what he had written on him had the verbs replaced with something hostile. I know "serve" was repalced with "enslave", but what was it for "protect"? Anyway, it wasn't good for the function of disguise, but I guess he could fix that part if he needed to...

I didn't mind the map being written on the glasses, but there's no way for the Decepticons to have known it was there! They showed Frenzy looking at the eBay images, but those would never have revealed the presence of a microscopic etched map.

Moose
2007-Jul-15, 11:16 PM
I didn't mind the map being written on the glasses, but there's no way for the Decepticons to have known it was there! They showed Frenzy looking at the eBay images, but those would never have revealed the presence of a microscopic etched map.

Whitwicky activated Megatron's emergency transmitter. Megatron sent the pertinent information in his SOS/found it message. Rather than transmit the information openly, he encoded it on the glasses on the bet that his Decepticons would either retrieve the glasses and/or rescue Megatron before the Autobots could, given that the Autobots would have heard the same message.

GDwarf
2007-Jul-16, 02:18 AM
Really? I thought it was just something about the language or the intensity of the light that etched it on the glasses.

SKY
2007-Jul-16, 03:18 AM
One funny little thing I noticed about Prowler was that, instead of the known cop-car motto "to protect and serve", what he had written on him had the verbs replaced with something hostile. I know "serve" was repalced with "enslave", but what was it for "protect"? Anyway, it wasn't good for the function of disguise, but I guess he could fix that part if he needed to...

"To Punish and Enslave"

Tog
2007-Jul-16, 10:11 AM
Overall, I liked it. But, how did Bumblebee know that that kid was important?

The Decepticons had to look up his user ID after seeing the glasses for sale on eBay. Bumblebee was already in service then.

Maksutov
2007-Jul-16, 12:05 PM
When I first saw the text ads for this movie, I got excited thinking that these essential contributors to our technological society (http://scienceservice.si.edu/images/040019a.jpg) would be getting some recognition.

Upon further investigation, what disappointment.

please
2007-Jul-16, 02:10 PM
Overall, I liked it. But, how did Bumblebee know that that kid was important?

The Decepticons had to look up his user ID after seeing the glasses for sale on eBay. Bumblebee was already in service then.By pure coincidence, it was driving nearby when some of the students were discussing antarctica and glasses after that class presentation? Any hole in movie can be patched with your imagination.

darkhunter
2007-Jul-16, 03:16 PM
Overall, I liked it. But, how did Bumblebee know that that kid was important?

The Decepticons had to look up his user ID after seeing the glasses for sale on eBay. Bumblebee was already in service then.

The autobots are most likely more independent in action because they KNOW they won't get destroyed by Optimus for making a mistake, thus Bumblebee was more free to look in other places. Frenzy went exclusivly through the DOD systems (in the movie), while Bumblebee probably tried a wider variety of more open avenues.

Moose
2007-Jul-16, 04:13 PM
When you consider that Megatron would have known and transmitted the target ("map is on glasses belonging to human who approached on this galactic date"), then you google for whatever expedition went to the north pole on such and such date. That expedition was commanded by Whitwicky who claimed to have found blah-blah-blah under so-and-so circumstances.

Googling on that last name, and processing the links quickly, would show Whitwicky's glasses on eBay very quickly, along with the confirming story and the contact username. It wasn't evident in the movie, but people who take on usernames with trailing digits tend to try and keep those digits elsewhere.

You'd be surprised how far a google for a reasonably unique username can take you. (It's a big reason I use "Moose" as a handle when I can. Useless to search engines without other info, and I don't leak much else.) A group I belonged to called the MMFHoH used to identify Make Money Fast scammers that way. The scammer would nearly always have posted personal information publically elsewhere using the same info.

Hence, an autobot using ordinary internet access would have plenty of time to run down effective leads without sounding any alarms. Whereas the decepticons' style is "attack the biggest target until it dies." Hence the DoD computers.

Doodler
2007-Jul-16, 08:18 PM
[quote=Moose;1030006I like what they did with Bumblebee. I didn't especially like what they did with Optimus Prime, but he was watchable. I hated what they did with Megatron, and wasn't thrilled with Frenzy. Watching Jazz was like watching The Itchy and Scratchy... and Poochie Show.[/quote]

For Optimus: The new vehicle type was fine, the Rodimus Prime style paintjob was bleh.

As for Jazz, I thought he was the one they got closest to the original aside from Ratchet.

Jason Thompson
2007-Jul-16, 10:43 PM
But I don't think "craters" have been seen where such cars & trucks have fallen off of bridges/cliffs, and I haven't even heard of it from fighter plane crashes.

Just a thought: in those situations a lot of the energy tends to be dissipated by the vehicle crumpling and falling apart. Concentrate that impact on a small area that remains rigid and might there not be more damage done to the ground by the impact?

novaderrik
2007-Jul-17, 01:43 AM
For Optimus: The new vehicle type was fine, the Rodimus Prime style paintjob was bleh.

As for Jazz, I thought he was the one they got closest to the original aside from Ratchet.
i've seen quite a few semi trucks with the same paint job that Optimus has- i think it was an optional graphics package straight from the factory. he didn't choose the flames- he simply scanned a vehicle that was passing after he landed on earth and took on every minute detail of that vehicle except for the logo on the grille- which is the Autobot symbol since i don't think they were licensed to use the logo in the movie and on the toys.
remember at the beginning of the movie when the unknown helicopter is closing in on the base in Qatar and the jets were scrambled to intercept the unknown invader? the number on the tail was the number of an identical helicopter that was shot down by an unknown bad guy a few months before- that Decepticon (what was his name?) shot down the original chopper after scanning it and taking on it's form- including the numbers on the tail, which was the first clue that he wasn't a friendly.

please
2007-Jul-17, 07:53 AM
worst. cartoon-to-live action-translation. ever.
so, i'll only see it twice on opening weekend, then buy the DVD the night it comes out..:lol::silenced:

Doodler
2007-Jul-17, 02:09 PM
Also, the regular Earthly machines just becoming Transformers from Cube exposure... and the detail that those new ones were all hostile... that's just loopy, and completely unnecessary.

Explainable though. All Earth computer technology was based on reverese engineering Megatron's systems. Therefore firmware programming would have been Decepticon by default.

crosscountry
2007-Jul-17, 02:47 PM
maybe the cube itself was inherently evil.

novaderrik
2007-Jul-17, 07:31 PM
i don't think the cube itself was "evil", but perhaps the newly sentient beings- that were created out of nothing- were merely lashing out because being "born" out of nothing would be a rather scary thing.
or it could have been a commentary on how we are all evil by nature, but some of us learn to suppress that part of us and be "good"..
or maybe it just seemed cooler and funnier to have everything be "bad" when first created, or to add to the drama?

Romanus
2007-Jul-17, 08:43 PM
<<Explainable though. All Earth computer technology was based on reverese engineering Megatron's systems. Therefore firmware programming would have been Decepticon by default.>>

That makes sense; there was never any talk of the Autobots using the cube to create an army of *good* robots...

hhEb09'1
2007-Jul-21, 11:32 AM
That review had some other oddities in it.
Deborah Foreman (http://www.imdb.com/gallery/hh/0286033/HH/0286033/iid_1015697.jpg.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Foreman,%20Deborah%20(I))

crosscountry
2007-Jul-21, 11:38 AM
i don't think the cube itself was "evil", but perhaps the newly sentient beings- that were created out of nothing- were merely lashing out because being "born" out of nothing would be a rather scary thing.
or it could have been a commentary on how we are all evil by nature, but some of us learn to suppress that part of us and be "good"..
or maybe it just seemed cooler and funnier to have everything be "bad" when first created, or to add to the drama?



plus those would have been pretty boring scenes if the newly awakened machines just sat there once they came to life.

Doodler
2007-Jul-23, 08:56 PM
Deborah Foreman (http://www.imdb.com/gallery/hh/0286033/HH/0286033/iid_1015697.jpg.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Foreman,%20Deborah%20(I))

If her face were any more tense, I'd check her pulse assuming rigor had set in...

Jason Thompson
2007-Jul-29, 09:58 PM
Just seen this (it only came out on Friday here in the UK), so here are some thoughts.

It was better than I had expected. Not much better, but nohere near as bad as part of me was half expecting to endure. My biggest criticism of it is not specific to the film but rather the way action films are now being produced in general, it seems. Everything has to be highly mobile, shot at great speed, zipping in real close, so that what you end up with is a whirlwind of stuff that goes by so quick you're not really sure what's going on until it all slows down at the last second and you can see that actually someone's just taken out one of the bad guys. This is especially irritating to me in this case because they went to some great efforts to make the transformers really visually complex, then made them move so fast in the action scenes it all got a bit lost.

Optimus Prime is Optimus Prime. Getting Peter Cullen back was great. To be honest, had he not been in it I don't think it would have had half the success it has. No-one else does Prime the way he does.

I loved the autobots trying to hide in the graden, accidentally trashing it despite their best efforts.

The part that made no sense whatsoever, though, was when Bumblebee shrunk the Allspark and made it transportable, and the military guy, knowing that a bunch of massive, near-unstoppable robot life forms with no regard for life or property are after this thing, decides to take it to a city! Surely you'd want to take it away from a populated area? This just seems too much like an arbitrary decision taken by a character to justify the 'cool' sights of the climactic battle taking place in a city block. And then at the end they dump the remains in the ocean, leaving 'no evidence'. Apart from a trail of destruction in a major population centre, witnessed by hundreds of people, of course....

So there we have it. Not all that bad, and perhaps the sequels will be even better.

Oh, and Megan Fox is hot!

SMEaton
2007-Sep-26, 07:40 AM
Did Ben Stiller produce/direct this movie? I fully expected Optimus to have a few spit takes and prat falls, especially after the ridiculous garden scene. Honestly I wouldn't have been surprised if the dog 'Mojo' (a chihuahua with a bandaged foot, on painkillers) jumped 30 feet and latched onto Optimus' crotch...
In the arena of dumb action movies, this was the star bull.
Michael Bay should not be in charge of any visual media, period.

frenat
2007-Sep-26, 07:58 PM
The worst part I saw was that the writers had obviously never been to Qatar and had very little knowledge of the military. They mentioned a Predator (a small prop powered UAV) and then showed a jet engine UAV that looked closer to a global hawk.

KaiYeves
2007-Sep-27, 12:33 AM
Have you guys heard the premise that was Transformers- Beast Wars? Ai yi yi.