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sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-21, 11:59 AM
The most unbelievable story of the year!

But you will have to believe it!

http://www.dreamslaughter.com/parasentient/parasentient.htm

Laguna
2006-Jun-21, 12:22 PM
I read quite a lot about 911 but how does the Reichstag fit into the conspiracy?


EDIT: Google helps... WOW! No comment on that part...

JimTKirk
2006-Jun-21, 12:29 PM
WTC who did it a JFK? Not even close to a proper english sentence, and then the letters are paired up to reform into chinese letters? I hear a whistle in the background...

Laguna
2006-Jun-21, 01:05 PM
WTC who did it a JFK? Not even close to a proper english sentence, and then the letters are paired up to reform into chinese letters? I hear a whistle in the background...
That whistle sounds like a foghorn...

JimTKirk
2006-Jun-21, 01:14 PM
That whistle sounds like a foghorn...

Close! I was thinking more of a train whistle (Woo Woo):whistle:

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-21, 01:37 PM
I guess you didn't get that the bug, has to be in the form of:

XXXX XXX XXX XXXXX

So the question was made to fit that.

It wouldn't work if "who exactly were the poeple responsible for the WTC and JFK?" was used.

It is complicated, and takes some thought to understand what's going on.

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-21, 01:40 PM
The reichstag fire was the excuse hitler used to start his war against the communists. He blamed it on a Dutch commie, but in the Nuremburg trials, Hitler's own people admitted to starting it.

JimTKirk
2006-Jun-21, 01:49 PM
So did you start with the conclusion and work your way back? Why won't it work if you use XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX or XXX XXX XXX XXX XXX? Why not use the phrase "Who did WTC and JFK"? Cutting "and" to "a" is kind of convenient isn't it? Seems to me you had a conclusion in mind and are "massaging" the data to fit it.

edit: you to your...
edit: fitting to "massaging"

edit: By the way Sinsanity2006, welcome to BAUT. You'll find your stay here will be more enjoyable if you read the FAQ. Also realize this is a science board where others will expect you to defend your ideas with hard data.

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-21, 01:59 PM
That's the point, the bug only works when you save a file in the form

xxxx xxx xxx xxxxx

so to cause the bug and get the Chinese symbols, it can only be in that form.

Cutting the nd out of and made sense to me. Sorry it doesn't to you.

If you want to come up with another question that will fit in the form

xxxx xxx xxx xxxxx

I'll be glad to translate it for you. Though you could do it yourself.

JimTKirk
2006-Jun-21, 02:09 PM
So have you looked around the board yet? If you do a search on 911, you'll find alot of scientific data. Have you looked at the FAQ? Please do ASAP if you haven't.

JimTKirk
2006-Jun-21, 02:13 PM
Try it with "Sinsanity's quest"...

Laguna
2006-Jun-21, 02:16 PM
The reichstag fire was the excuse hitler used to start his war against the communists. He blamed it on a Dutch commie, but in the Nuremburg trials, Hitler's own people admitted to starting it.
I have to correct you. It is not sure who started the fires. The testimonies were not official. Other traces lead to the convicted van Lubbe, other traces lead in other directions. There has been no final conclusion, just a lot of speculation.

However, Hitler did not use the fire to start the war on the communists.
He used it to get rid of the basic laws by fueling the fear of a communist incited putsch.
This was the cause for the Reichstagsbrandverordnung, which was the key for the consolidation of all institutional powers and the limitation of almost all basic rights. That way the SA was free to do whatever they wanted.
The NSDAP used the Reichstagsbrandverordnung to turn the democratic "Weimarer Republic" into a dictatorship while giving it a legal appearance.
That was in 1933. The war started in 1939 with the attack on Poland.

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-21, 02:19 PM
hmmmmm, and you don't see any thing that relates to 911 in that.

geez, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Thanks.

:)

SpitfireIX
2006-Jun-21, 02:41 PM
The reichstag fire was the excuse hitler used to start his war against the communists.

Oversimplification. Cracking down on the Communists was only the first step in the Nazis' plan to make Hitler an absolute dictator. The Reichstag fire was used as a justification for each major step in that plan.

From a Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire):


Wikipedia
Hitler had been sworn in as Chancellor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancellor) and head of the coalition government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_government) on January 30 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_30), 1933 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933). His first act was to ask Hindenburg to dissolve the Reichstag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_%28institution%29) so that he could increase the number of Nazi seats in the government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government). Hitler's request was granted and elections (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election) were set for March 5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_5), 1933 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933). Hitler's aim was to abolish democracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy) in a more or less legal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal) fashion by activating the Enabling Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act). The Enabling Act was a special power allowed by the Weimar Constitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Constitution) to give the Chancellor the power to pass laws by decree, without the involvement of the Reichstag. Under the existing Weimar constitution, under Article 48 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_48), the President could rule by decree in times of emergency. The unprecedented element of the Enabling Act was that the government itself possessed these powers. The Enabling Act was only supposed to be used in times of extreme emergency, and in fact had only been used once before, in 1923 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1923)-24 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1924) when the government used the Enabling Act to rescue Germany from hyperinflation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation). To activate the Enabling Act required a vote by a two-thirds majority in the Reichstag. In January 1933, the Nazis had only 32% of the seats and thus were in no position to activate the Enabling Act. It had a four-year application and would have to be renewed after this.
During the election campaign, the Nazis had run on a platform of fervent anti-communism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-communism), insisting that Germany was on the verge of a Communist revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution), and that the only way to stop the revolution was to pass the Enabling Act. Hitler's platform in the campaign comprised little more than demands that voters increase the Nazi share of seats so that the Enabling Act could be passed. In order to decrease the number of opposition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_%28politics%29) members who could vote against the Enabling Act, Hitler had planned to ban (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banishment) the KPD (Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands-Communist Party of Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Germany)), which at the time held 17% of the parliament's seats, after the elections and before the new Reichstag convened. The Reichstag Fire allowed Hitler to accelerate the banning of the Communist Party and was used to confirm Nazi claims of a pending Communist revolution. The Nazis argued the Reichstag fire was meant to serve as a signal to launch the revolution, and warned the German public about the grisly fate they would suffer under Communist rule.
He blamed it on a Dutch commie, but in the Nuremburg trials, Hitler's own people admitted to starting it.

No.


Wikipedia
Historians generally agree that van der Lubbe was involved in the Reichstag fire. The extent of the damage, however, has led to considerable debate over whether he acted alone. Considering the speed with which the fire engulfed the building, van der Lubbe's reputation as a mentally disturbed arsonist hungry for fame, and cryptic comments by leading Nazi officials, it is generally believed the Nazi hierarchy was involved in order to reap political gain — and it obviously did. Others have contended that neither the Nazis nor Communists were behind the fire, and that van der Lubbe acted alone. According to this view, the Reichstag fire was a stroke of good luck for the Nazis....

At Nuremberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials), General Franz Halder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Halder) stated in an affidavit that [Hermann] Göring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring) had joked about setting the fire:

Franz Halder
On the occasion of a lunch on the Führer's birthday in 1942, the people around the Führer turned the conversation to the Reichstag building and its artistic value. I heard with my own ears how Göring broke into the conversation and shouted: 'The only one who really knows about the Reichstag building is I, for I set fire to it.' And saying this he slapped his thigh. Under cross-examination at Nuremberg, Göring was read Halder's affidavit and denied he had any involvement in the fire, characterizing Halder's statement as "utter nonsense". Göring stated:


Hermann Göring
I had no reason or motive for setting fire to the Reichstag. From the artistic point of view I did not at all regret that the assembly chamber was burned; I hoped to build a better one. But I did regret very much that I was forced to find a new meeting place for the Reichstag and, not being able to find one, I had to give up my Kroll Opera House (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krolloper) ... for that purpose. The opera seemed to me much more important than the Reichstag.[citations omitted]

Laguna
2006-Jun-21, 02:46 PM
hmmmmm, and you don't see any thing that relates to 911 in that.

geez, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Thanks.

:)
Well, as far as I remember the USA are still a democracy? Aren't they?
At least I remember that there has been an election, that there is more than one political party, that no SA like group can get in your house beat the blood out of your body, that the press, the police, churches, organisations and companies are not consolitaded under one will and that we can discuss political topics freely on US-hosted boards.

Well not on this one. :D

Night G
2006-Jun-21, 02:53 PM
Try the same "experiment" and save the file as unicode rather than ANSI. This (http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2004/03/24/95235.aspx) blog explains the effect rather well. Sinsanity needs to look up "confabulation" in a dictionary.

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-21, 02:56 PM
hmmm, the supream court just upheld no knock searches, the elections are rigged, democrats are republican lites, corp mergers have created a corporate elite and you can discuss political topics with more freedom from insult and injury on the pravda forum.

I'm not sure I see where you are trying to go with this?

sts60
2006-Jun-21, 02:56 PM
It is complicated, and takes some thought to understand what's going on.

The reality of politics (in the U.S. and in other countries and regions), bureaucracy, inter-organizational relations, governmental infighting, foresight (or lack thereof) intelligence-gathering, threat assessment, foreign policy, fundamentalism, histories of conflict, hubris, and just plain human nature is complicated and takes some thought to understand what's going on.

That's why conspiracy "theorists" ignore reality to play Da Vinci Code-style games. It's a lot easier than dealing with the messy truth.

Laguna
2006-Jun-21, 02:58 PM
hmmm, the supream court just upheld no knock searches, the elections are rigged, democrats are republican lites, corp mergers have created a corporate elite and you can discuss political topics with more freedom from insult and injury on the pravda forum.

I'm not sure I see where you are trying to go with this?
In the opposite direction of paranoia

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-21, 03:01 PM
night g - - the bug is completely explained, what isn't explained is the results you get on translating the results of the bug. It appears that who ever created the matrix of chinese symbols that represent the english alphabet might have had too much time on his hands.

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-21, 03:02 PM
I wish things were going in the opposite direction of paranoia, Guess you don't remember the 50's huh?

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-21, 03:05 PM
sts60

Right, and some people still think that the senate didn't kill ceasar, that the inquisition was caused by pagans and witches, that Watergate, Iran Contra and vietnam were a vast left wing conspiracies and that politicians and corporations are really trying to help the common man.

You go boy!

Night G
2006-Jun-21, 03:07 PM
It is not "a bug". It is an effect of Notpad being confused as what encoding you want it to use. The rest of the conspiracy is based upon nothing more than not understanding how to use the simplest peice of software Microsoft makes.

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-21, 03:14 PM
Night G,

No,

The rest of it is based on translating notepad's confused results of Chinese symbols into english and looking at the words. That's not a conspiracy, that's just looking at results.

And since when is a piece of softwear being confused not a bug?

Night G
2006-Jun-21, 03:23 PM
Then you don't understand the effect. It is not a bug. Anyone who has used Notepad (or BBEdit or any other text editor) to encode source files or html can tell you what's going on. Good luck on the rest of your "research".

SpitfireIX
2006-Jun-21, 03:38 PM
It is not sure who started the fires. The testimonies were not official. Other traces lead to the convicted van Lubbe, other traces lead in other directions. There has been no final conclusion, just a lot of speculation.

That about sums it up. There is a lot more evidence that the Nazis were involved in the Reichstag fire than there is that the US Government was involved in the September 11 attacks, however.

This was the cause for the Reichstagsbrandverordnung, which was the key for the consolidation of all institutional powers and the limitation of almost all basic rights. That way the SA was free to do whatever they wanted.
The NSDAP used the Reichstagsbrandverordnung to turn the democratic "Weimarer Republic" into a dictatorship while giving it a legal appearance.

Good point. The Wikipedia article I linked earlier doesn't discuss the Reichstag Fire Decree; it is discussed in another article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree), however.


Wikipedia
The Reichstag Fire Decree (Reichstagsbrandverordnung in German) is the common name of the decree issued by German president Paul von Hindenburg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_von_Hindenburg) in direct response to the Reichstag fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire) of February 27 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_27), 1933 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933). The decree nullified many of the key civil liberties of German citizens. With Nazis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism) in key positions of the German government, the decree was used as the legal basis of imprisonment of anyone considered to be opponents of the Nazis, and was used to suppress publications not considered "friendly" to the Nazi cause. The decree is considered by historians to be one of the key steps in the establishment of a one-party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-party_state) Nazi state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany) in Germany.
The policies set forth in the decree were retroactively approved by the Reichstag three weeks later, as discussed in the quotation in my previous post.

Also, for those who don't know, NSDAP stands for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers' Party), the full name of the Nazi party in German. "Nazi" is a contraction formed from the two italicized syllables. SA stands for Sturmabteilung (literally, assault division, but often rendered in English as Stormtroopers). During the 1920s, the SA was the NSDAP's enforcement and security arm, frequently breaking up other parties political rallies. A year after the Nazis took power, the SA's power was broken in a purge, and it was largely supplanted by the SS.

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-21, 03:49 PM
Night G,

Thanks for the good luck,

But the research is done.

JimTKirk
2006-Jun-21, 03:54 PM
So Sinsanity, did you try to prove yourself right or try to prove yourself wrong?

Did you test "Sinsanity's Quest" yet? Have you tried ANY other 15 character combinations at all?

sts60
2006-Jun-21, 04:17 PM
Right, and some people still think that the senate didn't kill ceasar, that the inquisition was caused by pagans and witches, that Watergate, Iran Contra and vietnam were a vast left wing conspiracies and that politicians and corporations are really trying to help the common man.

Appeal to strawmen noted.

Night G
2006-Jun-21, 04:26 PM
Night G,

Thanks for the good luck,

But the research is done.

There was a guy who posted on JREF a while back who claimed he could see demon faces in photographs of a blank wall. All he was really seeing were random patterns of photographic grain. We repeatedly tried to tell him this obvious fact but to no avail. His predelection to fantasy, wishful thinking and his confidence that he and he alone was right and everyone else was wrong would not allow him to accept simple reasoning. You and he have much in common.

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-21, 04:28 PM
I put sinsanity's quest in notepad of the form: "sins ani tys quest" and translated it:

Heres what it said:

0 - Luster of gem

0 - enemy, foe, rival; resist

0 - temper; burn

0 - a hound

0 - a gem used as ear plug; a jade earring

0 - mulberry; paper

0 - angry, indignant, resentful

0 - hunt; autumn hunting; to capture with a fine net

0 - plums; prunes; surname

What'da ya think?

Night G
2006-Jun-21, 04:31 PM
So Sinsanity, did you try to prove yourself right or try to prove yourself wrong?

Did you test "Sinsanity's Quest" yet? Have you tried ANY other 15 character combinations at all?

I just tried "fdnb dsx mlp loony" and saved the file with ANSI encoding and got the same result. I think I'll apply for the JREF million bucks.

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-21, 04:42 PM
Night G

All I am claiming is that I translate chinese characters and look at the words.

When the words come out:

z - Air; sky; empty; air force; in vain, air defense, low altitude, anti-aircraft defense.

y - A sacrifice at the beginning of a military campaign, cult. Manifest.

x - Rocky hill,

w - Eye; look, see; wide open eyes; to gaze in astonishment, blind; unperceptive, shortsighted, straight, erect, vertical, close eyes, sleep; hibernate, hypnotism; mesmerism, people, subjects, citizens.

v - Fatigued, head sores, chronic disease, chronic illness; sorrow. Legs.

u - Field,

t - Twin gems,

s - Commit crime, violate; criminal,

q - Fire, flame, burn, anger, rage, ashes, dust, lime, to roast, spirit, soul, spiritual world. Sacrificial animal.

p - Small river, gray ash, dust, engineer, physicist, head covered in dust.

I say that's a pretty amazing coincidence to 911.

You on the other hand may think those words have nothing to do with 911.

That's your opinion, and I respect it.

Laguna
2006-Jun-21, 04:51 PM
A year after the Nazis took power, the SA's power was broken in a purge, and it was largely supplanted by the SS.
To be more specific.
There was no purge. Hitler accused Röhm to have plans for one (Röhm Putsch) and to have homosexual tendencies.
There has never ever been the tiniest little bit of proof for the purge.
The latter has been well known.

Hitler used these accusations to get rid of Röhm and the SA, which started to get a power on its own in the state, having over 4 Million members.
As a positive sideeffect he looked better in the eyes of the Industry and more like a statesman, and it allowed some more room for the SS.
Afterwards the SA was almost meaningless, only appearing once again in the Night of Broken Glass.

Night G
2006-Jun-21, 04:52 PM
And no one else <here, so far> sees any connection to 911 at all. You are not "translating" anything. You a simply entering random characters into a black box and interpreting the results to match your wish that it mean something. What you are doing is a sort of wierd form of augury or divination.

ETA: context

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-21, 04:54 PM
Night G,

I don't think you are getting the point here, those zeros you see after saving the file and reopening it are unicode characters, when you copy and paste them into a translator or word doc , they show up as Chinese symbols. If you put those chines symbols into a translator, the definitions of the Chinese characters appear. That's what I am refering to.

Here's the translator I've been using, it seems to be more powerful than babel fish, or WwordLongo:

http://perso.orange.fr/gaoling/hanzi/index.htm

You may find nothing odd about the translations, I do. That's just a difference of opinion. I can live with that.

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-21, 05:08 PM
Night G

The letters in front of the words are the base letter for the notepad contents. For example, with z, I creat the notepad file in the form

zzzz zzz zzz zzzzz

I save the notepad file, close it and then reopen it. Nine zeros appear. I copy those zeros and paste them into the translator. The appear in the translator as Chinese characters. I translate those characters and up pops a bunch of words, I wrote them down and looked at them.

They seem to relate to 911.

JimTKirk
2006-Jun-21, 05:21 PM
I put sinsanity's quest in notepad of the form: "sins ani tys quest" and translated it:

Heres what it said:

0 - Luster of gem

0 - enemy, foe, rival; resist

0 - temper; burn

0 - a hound

0 - a gem used as ear plug; a jade earring

0 - mulberry; paper

0 - angry, indignant, resentful

0 - hunt; autumn hunting; to capture with a fine net

0 - plums; prunes; surname

What'da ya think?

So it translates into:

With the lustre of a gem, you resist. But your temper hounds you, so you use the gem as an earplug. Then you write a paper to show you are indignant in your hunt for plums?

So, how do you interpret it?

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-21, 05:28 PM
Jim - - lol

Close

I'd say I'd like to make some money from this, I am a witer.

There is an enemy that has peaked my temper.

I will hound them until there is justice.

I'm going to do it by writing. I printed out a copy of parasentient before the website.

I'm angry, indignant, resentful about 911 and

I will hunt them down with this string of 9111 clues.

I have the runs.

lol

think that's closer.

See how much fun this can be.

Make up one for yourself.

Lets' see what it has to say about you.


I will





I'm wearing my bluetooth earpiece.

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-21, 05:48 PM
I'm out of here for a while, later

Night G
2006-Jun-21, 06:11 PM
Night G

The letters in front of the words are the base letter for the notepad contents. For example, with z, I creat the notepad file in the form

zzzz zzz zzz zzzzz

I save the notepad file, close it and then reopen it. Nine zeros appear. I copy those zeros and paste them into the translator. The appear in the translator as Chinese characters. I translate those characters and up pops a bunch of words, I wrote them down and looked at them.

They seem to relate to 911.

Those are not zeros but I know what you mean. When you create a text file in Notepad, you need to tell it what text encoding you want to use. The select list is at the bottom of the "File Save As" pannel (I am using W2K Pro). If you don't specify one, Notepad either defaults to ANSI or tries its best to pick one for you based on context. If you save your "bush hid the facts" file with unicode encoding and reopen....guess what? Your file will now say "bush hid the facts". No more mystery "zeros". There is no bug in Notepad.

Gillianren
2006-Jun-21, 06:12 PM
You know, these aren't clues for anything.

My first column, when I had a column in my college newspaper, was about the difference between my alma mater and a police state, simply because I was so bloody tired of people taking advantage of American freedoms to complain about not having any freedom.

Halcyon Dayz
2006-Jun-21, 06:20 PM
A year after the Nazis took power, the SA's power was broken in a purge, and it was largely supplanted by the SS.
To be more specific.
There was no purge. Hitler accused Röhm to have plans for one (Röhm Putsch) and to have homosexual tendencies.
There has never ever been the tiniest little bit of proof for the purge.
The latter has been well known.

Hitler used these accusations to get rid of Röhm and the SA, which started to get a power on its own in the state, having over 4 Million members.
As a positive side effect he looked better in the eyes of the Industry and more like a statesman, and it allowed some more room for the SS.
Afterwards the SA was almost meaningless, only appearing once again in the Night of Broken Glass.
You misunderstood.
The SA was purged (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/purge). By the extra-legal execution (i.e. murder) of at least 61, and possibly up to 400 of its leading members by the SS.

And, this is truly hilarious in a very dark way, apparently Hitler arrested Ernst Röhm, the leader of the SA, himself.

From WikiPedia's article on the Night of the Long Knives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives#The_purge), quoting from Alfred Rosenberg's diary:

With an SS escort detachment the Führer drove to Bad Wiessee and knocked softly on Röhm's door: “Message from Munich,” he said with disguised voice. “Well come in,” Röhm called to the supposed messenger, “the door is open.” Hitler tore open the door, fell on Röhm as he lay in bed, seized him by the throat and screamed, “You are under arrest, you swine.” Then he turned the traitor over to the SS.
Sounds like a badly written juvenile crime story.

phunk
2006-Jun-21, 06:30 PM
So apparantly some whistleblower was involved in the design of unicode character sets back in the 80's? Didn't realize the 9/11 conspiracy went back that far.

Cl1mh4224rd
2006-Jun-21, 06:38 PM
But the research is done.
What research? You found one case where improper English grammar, through some confusion in a small application, the result of which, translated from Chinese characters back to English, itself results in a word salad... and you think you've proven something?

The original phrase I saw to demonstrate this bug was: "this app can break".

桴: raft; drum stick; ridge pole
獩: <nothing>
愠: angry, indignant, resentful
灰: ashes; dust; lime, mortar
挠: scratch; disturb, bother; submit
湡: <nothing>
戠: a sword. potter's clay. to gather
敲: strike, beat, pound, hammer; rap
歡: happy, pleased, glad; joy; to enjoy

Shoehorning and altering the text to get the result you want is not research.

SpitfireIX
2006-Jun-21, 06:44 PM
There was no purge. Hitler accused R&#246;hm to have plans for one (R&#246;hm Putsch) and to have homosexual tendencies. There has never ever been the tiniest little bit of proof for the purge. The latter has been well known.

A "purge" is not the same thing as a "putsch" (or coup in English).

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purge):


Wikipedia
In history and political science, to purge is to remove people considered by the group in power to be "undesirable" from a government, political party, a profession, or from community or society as a whole, often by violent means. Restoration of people from a purge is known as rehabilitation....

The Nazis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazis) also engaged in purges, most notably in the Night of the Long Knives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives) (1934 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1934)) and the mass reprisals against Adolf Hitler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler)'s opponents following the July Plot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Plot) (1944 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944)).[emphasis added]

My reading knowlege of German is far from fluent (more like early or middle primary school on the whole), but I think the English word "purge" (in the political sense) is translated into German as S&#228;uberung or S&#228;uberungsaktionen, if I correctly understand the general sense of this Wikipedia article (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A4uberung).


Wikipedia
Als S&#228;uberung oder S&#228;uberungsaktionen werden euphemistisch (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemismus) Eins&#228;tze des Milit&#228;rs, der Polizei und der Justiz gegen Widerstand leistende Gruppen der Bev&#246;lkerung, ethnische Minderheiten (Ethnische S&#228;uberung (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnische_S%C3%A4uberung)) oder speziell gegen politische Gegner auch innerhalb der herrschenden Partei oder Gruppe bezeichnet.


Afterwards the SA was almost meaningless, only appearing once again in the Night of Broken Glass.

Just for your information, Kristallnacht (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht) is most often left untranslated in English, as opposed to the Night of the Long Knives, which I don't even know the exact German expression for offhand, though I could take a stab (pun intended) at translating it. This is demonstrated by the titles of the English-language Wikipedia articles on both events. Such are the vagaries of language.

[edit: spelling]

SpitfireIX
2006-Jun-21, 06:56 PM
You misunderstood. The SA was purged. By the extra-legal execution (i.e. murder) of at least 61, and possibly up to 400 of its leading members by the SS.

I think Laguna2 understands what happened--I think he just mistranslated the word "purge."

And I see while I was writing and researching my previous post (looking for the German word for "purge" took up a lot of time) you came up with the German for "Night of the Long Knives." About what I would have translated, except I probably would have had the wrong definite article and word endings. :sad:

aporetic_r
2006-Jun-21, 07:15 PM
...the elections are rigged...


I am a professor of political science and an opponent of the Bush administration (not in class, mind you, since I keep my own politics out of the classroom). In fact, over 70% of political scientists oppose Bush. Yet none of us have been able to discover any evidence that his 2004 re-election was rigged. If you have evidence, I'd like to see it. Since this board is for science rather than politics, please send me your evidence in a private message.

Aporetic

SpitfireIX
2006-Jun-21, 07:39 PM
the supream court just upheld no knock searches

I'll bet you don't have a clue about what the Court actually ruled in the case in question.

the elections are rigged

What is your evidence for this?

democrats are republican lites

In other words, the Democrats aren't radical enough for you. If you don't like your choices, join a more radical party, or start your own. You are a prime example of why conspiracism discourages responsible citizenship and is bad for democracy. Instead of engaging in legitimate criticism of the US Government, which could actually have some effect, you simply waste time and energy proclaiming that there is no point in voting because both political parties are the same (a ridiculous assertion) and the elections are rigged anyway.

corp mergers have created a corporate elite

I have no idea what you mean by this, or what your complaint is, but I will say that today's corporate executives are far more accountable than the robber barons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robber_baron_%28industrialist%29) of the gilded age (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_age), as Jeff Skilling and Ken Lay can attest.

and you can discuss political topics with more freedom from insult and injury on the pravda forum.

Another ridiculous assertion. There are any number of blogs and web forums run by Americans that cover the entire political spectrum from neo-Fascist to Stalinist to anarchist and everything in between. I can't believe you wouldn't be able to find one where you could air your views (no matter how radical) to a receptive audience.

Tinaa
2006-Jun-21, 08:58 PM
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sts60
2006-Jun-21, 09:22 PM
Steel Cage Deathmatch: sinsanity2006 vs. He Who Shall Not Be Named.

Who's up for it? Of course, sinsanity would have to finish knocking down his crowd of strawmen first...

Van Rijn
2006-Jun-21, 09:41 PM
Steel Cage Deathmatch: sinsanity2006 vs. He Who Shall Not Be Named.


Which He Who Shall Not Be Named is that? I'm getting them all confused, can you give me a hint? Is it a current BAUT HWSNBN?

Van Rijn
2006-Jun-21, 09:49 PM
What research? You found one case where improper English grammar, through some confusion in a small application, the result of which, translated from Chinese characters back to English, itself results in a word salad... and you think you've proven something?


I can't quite decide whether this stuff is more absurd than the Martian Stone Sheep or not. Eh, I think I'll go with: Just as absurd, but not quite as funny.

ZappBrannigan
2006-Jun-21, 09:54 PM
Night G

The letters in front of the words are the base letter for the notepad contents. For example, with z, I creat the notepad file in the form

zzzz zzz zzz zzzzz

I save the notepad file, close it and then reopen it. Nine zeros appear. I copy those zeros and paste them into the translator. The appear in the translator as Chinese characters. I translate those characters and up pops a bunch of words, I wrote them down and looked at them.

They seem to relate to 911.
I guess this is the modern version of playing records backwards and looking for secret messages. And just as effective.




luaP deirrub i

Van Rijn
2006-Jun-21, 10:31 PM
I guess this is the modern version of playing records backwards and looking for secret messages. And just as effective.


pareidolia n. The erroneous or fanciful perception of a pattern or meaning in something that is actually ambiguous or random.

JayUtah
2006-Jun-21, 11:52 PM
the supream court just upheld no knock searches...

No.

The exclusionary rule was weakened as a method of enforcing constitutional police search limitations. The limitations still hold and remain unchanged. Police are still required to knock, announce themselves, and wait an appropriate interval prior to entering forcibly a private property in order to search it.

This is equivalent to saying that public flogging is no longer a penalty for shoplifting. Shoplifting is still illegal, but different penalties hold.

the elections are rigged...

Numerous investigations public and private have failed to produce any evidence for that claim. As with most conspiracy theories, those claims are based on various isolated irregularities, and put forward by people who have no prior experience in election research and hence have no basis for judging what a normal level of irregularity should be.

corp mergers have created a corporate elite

Hogwash.

My company's accountin overhead has increased about 300% in order to comply with the Sarbanes-Oxley Act requiring greater accountability from corporations and imposing criminal liability for misstatements of holdings and assets. Corporate accounting and auditing have become an order of magnitude more stringent since 2002.

Further, most of the mergers of which I am familiar, are in response to a loss of market share and public influence. Companies are pooling their assets in order to survive, not to expand and consolidate power. American companies are running scared, not sitting on top of the hill.

...and you can discuss political topics with more freedom from insult and injury on the pravda forum.

Hogwash. There is an unprecedented amount of criticism of the current administration occurring right here in the United States. I doubt you have any experience with censorship of political commentary. I have lived in places where people truly are afraid to criticize the government, and the United States today is nothing like that.

The Pravda forum predictably attracts the kind of fringe opinions to which they principally cater. That such ill-founded ramblings are strongly encouraged there is not to say they are forbidden elsewhere.

I'm not sure I see where you are trying to go with this?

As others have said, away from ignorant paranoia.

SpitfireIX
2006-Jun-22, 12:36 AM
The exclusionary rule was weakened as a method of enforcing constitutional police search limitations. The limitations still hold and remain unchanged. Police are still required to knock, announce themselves, and wait an appropriate interval prior to entering forcibly a private property in order to search it.

Aw, Jay, why'd you have to go and give the answer? I was waiting to see what sinsanity 2006 would say about the ruling. No help from our studio audience, please. :razz:

JayUtah
2006-Jun-22, 02:16 AM
No help from our studio audience, please. :razz:

Oops, was that a test? Sorry.

Swift
2006-Jun-22, 02:48 AM
I guess this is the modern version of playing records backwards and looking for secret messages. And just as effective.

I still love the old Bloom County cartoon where they try this and the message is "Go to Church". ;)

I'm waiting for someone to find evidence for 9/11 in the digits of pi. :wall:

publius
2006-Jun-22, 02:53 AM
hmmm, the supream court just upheld no knock searches


As has been pointed out, the Court drew the line about throwing out obviously incriminating evidence because the police/executive authority did something wrong in obtaining that evidence.

The idea of the exclusionary rule was to punish the executive and keep them from further violations by preventing them from gaining a conviction.

But who is really punished by that, when the murderer, rapist, child molester, or other heinous criminal is let off the hook? This is why the majority ruled the way it did.

I forget the details, but the question of warrants and search and seizure has an interesting history that even ties in with the Lincoln Assasination in a round-about way. John Wilkes Boothe was named after some fellow named John Wilkes, who was something of hero in the search-and-seizure business back in Colonial times, or shortly after the revolution.

It used to be that the executive (sheriff, police, etc) could barge in and search and seize anything. If they found incriminating evidence, then there was no problem.

However, if no incriminating evidence was found, the executive official could be held *personally liable*. You could sue the pants off him, and there may have even been criminal penalities as well.

A seach warrant completely immunizes the executive from any such liability. As long as he gets a judge to sign the warrant, he can come in, ransack your house and do all sorts of damage. If that search was completely baseless, you have no recourse, you just have to sit and take it.

Same thing with prosecutors and, of course, judges themselves. They are immune from liability. Consider the current "Duke lacrosse rape case". It's beginning to look more and more like the prosecutor was just playing politics, indicting three men for a heinous crime the evidence for which he knew was thin, just to help with his reelection.

There is no way to hold that prosecutor personally liable for his actions as the executive, since he got a judge and grand jury to sign off on it. He can only be voted out of office. Higher state officials might be able to do something, but that would only be so far as to remove him from the case, or throw the case out, or something.


-Richard

SpitfireIX
2006-Jun-22, 03:27 AM
Oops, was that a test? Sorry.

Actually, I'd intended it to be, but I didn't really make that clear. I doubt it matters; sinsanity 2006 likely wouldn't have bothered to answer anyway, or at least not in any meaningful way, as he appears to have already made up his mind.

PhantomWolf
2006-Jun-22, 04:00 AM
he appears to have already made up his mind.

Haven't they all.

But let me get this straight because I have to admit I'm not totally sure on whether I really understand.

Because of the way Notepad encodes stuff, if you enter certain things into internet text boxes, then copy and paste into notepad and save it, then paste the reopened text into a text box on babelfish it turns the charcters into Chinese and interpts them?

Is that sort of right?

And sinsanity 2006 is maintaining that because he put in something about 911 and it come out with a series of words that can be manipulated into a CT sounding idea, that this is some sort of proof for a 911 CT?

SpitfireIX
2006-Jun-22, 04:08 AM
As has been pointed out, the Court drew the line about throwing out obviously incriminating evidence because the police/executive authority did something wrong in obtaining that evidence.

Let's be clear here--evidence obtained without a warrant is still excluded. This particular ruling applies only to cases where a warrant was obtained, but an error was made in executing the warrant.

Ara Pacis
2006-Jun-22, 04:52 AM
I'm waiting for someone to find evidence for 9/11 in the digits of pi. :wall:

Maybe there is...

pi = 3.14159265 etc.

The first 6 digits contain a 9, and two 1s. Turn them backwards and you get 95141.3

If you de-interlace that string and you concatenate the two resultant ranges you get 911 and 543. We all know what 911 means, but look at a calender and you will see that 543 is the number of days between the attack on the WTC and Pentagon and the invasion of Iraq. Coincidence?

Cl1mh4224rd
2006-Jun-22, 05:47 AM
But let me get this straight because I have to admit I'm not totally sure on whether I really understand.

Because of the way Notepad encodes stuff, if you enter certain things into internet text boxes, then copy and paste into notepad and save it, then paste the reopened text into a text box on babelfish it turns the charcters into Chinese and interpts them?

Is that sort of right?
Not quite. All you have to do is...

1) Open Notepad.
2) Type in any words in a 4-3-3-5 pattern (i.e. "this app can break").
3) Save the file as a regular .txt file.
4) Close Notepad.
5) Double-click the .txt file you just created. It'll open in Notepad, but instead of what you typed, there will be 9 blocks. Your original text has basically turned into Unicode representations for certain Chinese characters.
6) You then copy and paste those characters into a Chinese dictionary (like the one sinsanity lnked to previously).

I guarantee, given enough time, anyone could come up with a random 4-3-3-5 combination of characters that gives a very similar result as sinsanity's "research".


And sinsanity 2006 is maintaining that because he put in something about 911 and it come out with a series of words that can be manipulated into a CT sounding idea, that this is some sort of proof for a 911 CT?
As was said earlier, the Unicode Consortium1 would have to be in on the 9/11 plot, too. Seems rather, umm... pointless.

Of course, this just goes back to the belief that "They" like to leave these kinds of breadcrumbs laying around in the most meaningless places imaginable, and that these breadcrumbs somehow trump all other evidence to the contrary.

--
1 Now if the word "consortium" doesn't evoke images of shady, backroom deals, I don't know what does. I can see a bunch of geeks talking with MIBs demanding that their character encoding scheme become the standard in exchange for embedding secret messages in said character encoding that can only be discovered through broken English. :rolleyes:

Laguna
2006-Jun-22, 08:19 AM
You misunderstood.
The SA was purged (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/purge).
Right, i misunderstood. I understood the SA wanted to purge.
Well it was not that far from beeing possible. Röhm wanted the german army be replaced by the SA troops. Thats what ticked Hitler off.

Sounds like a badly written juvenile crime story.
Thats seems to me too. As far as I know Hitler was not present when Röhm was arrested, just later when he was killed. Röhm and the leading Members were arrested by the infamous "SS-Totenkopfwachsturmbanner "Oberbayern"" wich was known for its brutality, and they were killed by the "Leibstandarte-SS Adolf Hitler". Röhm was killed by the Leader of the Wachsturmbanner Theodor Eicke.

Laguna
2006-Jun-22, 08:27 AM
There was no purge. Hitler accused Röhm to have plans for one (Röhm Putsch) and to have homosexual tendencies. There has never ever been the tiniest little bit of proof for the purge. The latter has been well known.

A "purge" is not the same thing as a "putsch" (or coup in English).


Thank you for making that clear to me. Did not know there is a difference.


Just for your information, Kristallnacht (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht) is most often left untranslated in English, as opposed to the Night of the Long Knives, which I don't even know the exact German expression for offhand, though I could take a stab (pun intended) at translating it. This is demonstrated by the titles of the English-language Wikipedia articles on both events. Such are the vagaries of language.
[edit: spelling]
The right german expression is Reichskristallnacht. And again I learned something. Do not translate it... Thank you.

The correct translation for Night of the Long Knifes is "Die Nacht der langen Messer". It is translated 1:1.

SpitfireIX
2006-Jun-22, 12:56 PM
The right german expression is Reichskristallnacht. And again I learned something. Do not translate it... Thank you.

Just to be clear, in English the shorter form "Kristallnacht" is most commonly used (at least that's the form I've most usually seen, and all three major English-language online encyclopedias use that as the title of their articles on the subject). Just as an experiment, I googled "Kristallnacht" and the first 20 hits were all pages in English; for "Reichskristallnacht" about half of the first 20 hits were in German, and for the majority of the English pages "Reichskristallnacht" was listed as an alternate form of "Kristallnacht."

Also, my mother, who was born on November 9, 1938, and has no German, sometimes says "I was born on Kristallnacht."

As I write this, it occurs to me that "Kristallnacht" is likely preferred in English because it is shorter than "Reichskristallnacht" or "The Night of Broken Glass." Conversely, "The Night of the Long Knives" is probably preferred because "Die Nacht der langen Messer" isn't any shorter.

Finally, to further muddy the waters, I came across the following in Wikipedia's article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht) on the subject:


Wikipedia
Names for this event are the subject of some controversy. It was commonly called die Kristallnacht (German (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language) for "crystal night"), evoking many shop windows, mostly owned by Jewish shopkeepers, that were broken during the night. Two explanations were offered for this term:

Dr. Walter H. Pehle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_H._Pehle), a historian specializing in modern Germany, has argued that the direct translation should be unacceptable because its original intent was cynically propagandizing the violence into something metaphorically holding "sparkle and gleam" for Germany. In the term Reichskristallnacht, the prefix "Reichs-" conveys the sense of "national". Both forms of that word were heavily used in German-government propaganda during the Nazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSDAP) period. The English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language) term "The Night of Broken Glass" is often explained as avoiding the ironic intent of die Kristallnacht.

A second possible derivation of the term Kristallnacht is not its origin as a term of Nazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism) propaganda, but rather its colloquial basis, especially in Berlin. Aware of the fact that much more serious crimes than breaking windows were committed, the euphemistic term was coined because people feared repression by the Nazi state apparatus for calling the pogrom a pogrom. Many people also saw that the events of that evening were not an outbreak of the "spontaneous wrath of the German people" as the Nazi propaganda tried to portray it, but a state-organized act of terror, executed mainly by party activists in casual garb. This explains the prefix Reichs- (national), that people used also in other contexts to ridicule and criticize aspects of the Nazi dictatorship (e.g. Reichswasserleiche - "National Drowned Body" for actress Kristina S&#246;derbaum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristina_S%C3%B6derbaum)). The meaning of (Reichs-)Kristallnacht as a term criticizing and accusing the Nazi dictatorship for what took place has largely been forgotten.

Today in official German sources it is mostly called Pogromnacht ("pogrom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom) night"), reflecting the fear that "Kristallnacht" was too euphemistic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism) given the fact that the original dimension of the term has been lost. Many other Germans refuse to call it Pogromnacht, arguing that the perversity, obscenity and uniqueness of the Reichskristallnacht was only described in the proper name "Kristallnacht", and "Pogromnacht" itself was a euphemism.

Laguna
2006-Jun-22, 01:16 PM
I have never heard someone use the word "Progromnacht" in Germany.
Usually the prefix "Reichs-" ist used. So it is reffered to as "Reichskristallnacht", newer is "Reichsprogromnacht".
In the last years it is often referred to as Novemberprogrome, to get away of the implication that is lastet only
one night and the maybe euphemistic "Kristall".

But usually you still call it Reichskristallnacht. The other versions are only used when you have to be 100% PC
(Like in the news or when you are a politcian or are standing otherwise in the public).

EDIT: To add last sentence

Night G
2006-Jun-22, 02:21 PM
This CT is beginning to look an awful lot like the Microsoft wingdings (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/wingdings.asp) CT that blazed across the web after 911. Some people really need a hobby.

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-22, 05:42 PM
All I am claiming is that I saved a notepad file using the random letters and letters of the alphabet, in the form zzzz zzz zzzz zzzzz, four letters, space, three letters, space, three letters, space, five letters. You close it and then reopen it. Nine zeros appear. I copied those zeros and pasted them into the translator. Here’s the translator I used:

http://perso.orange.fr/gaoling/hanzi/index.htm

The zeros appear in the translator as Chinese characters. I translate those characters and up pops a bunch of words, I wrote the words down and looked at them.

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-22, 05:44 PM
When the words come out:

z - Air; sky; empty; air force; in vain, air defense, low altitude, anti-aircraft defense.

y - A sacrifice at the beginning of a military campaign, cult. Manifest.

x - Rocky hill.

w - Eye; look, see; wide open eyes; to gaze in astonishment, blind; unperceptive, shortsighted, straight, erect, vertical, close eyes, sleep; hibernate, hypnotism; mesmerism, people, subjects, citizens.

v - Fatigued, head sores, chronic disease, chronic illness; sorrow. Legs.

u - Field.

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-22, 05:45 PM
t - Twin gems.

s - Commit crime, violate; criminal.

q - Fire, flame, burn, anger, rage, ashes, dust, lime, to roast, spirit, soul, spiritual world. Sacrificial animal.

p - Small river, gray ash, dust, engineer, physicist, head covered in dust.

I say that's a pretty amazing coincidence to 911.

Others, the other hand may think those words have nothing to do with 911.

That's their opinion, and I respect it.

Laguna
2006-Jun-22, 06:34 PM
OK, so you think that this is strange and that this is connected to some conspiracy. No other of the remaining 14363 Members of this Board seems to be of the same opinion.

I respect your opinion, but I in my opinion that stuff is utter nonsense.

sts60
2006-Jun-22, 07:09 PM
In fact, it doesn't even have anything to do with the Internet. The title of the thread should be "Microsoft Notepad Becomes Para-Sentient to Reveal 911 Truth!"

Not that "para-sentient" makes any sense anyway.

Ara Pacis
2006-Jun-22, 07:19 PM
How long before someone uses this argument in court? "I didn't download those images, your honor. The internet did it all by itself."

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-22, 07:45 PM
Laguna,

lol, I doubt that 14363 people have read this.

You're kind of stretching the truth, wouldn't you say.

I never claimed it was connected to a conspiracy.

Are you really saying that the words associated with the letters z-p don't look connected to 911? If that's what you are saying, you are a complete loon. If yu are saying that those words don't describe 911 and anyone else that says that, they are speaking utter rubbish.

You're gonna have to read the story to understand why it is parasentient.

Van Rijn
2006-Jun-22, 08:16 PM
Are you really saying that the words associated with the letters z-p don't look connected to 911? If that's what you are saying, you are a complete loon.


I'll say it: I see no connection with 9/11 in that unsophisticated translation of random chinese characters. By the way, suggesting someone is a "loon" is frowned on here. Suggesting something is absurd, such as your contention about these characters, is allowed, however.



If yu are saying that those words don't describe 911 and anyone else that says that, they are speaking utter rubbish.


I see nothing in there that even begins to look like "A terrorist attack upon the World Trade Center on 9/11/2001."



You're gonna have to read the story to understand why it is parasentient.

Oh, I understand. Tea leaves, entrails, numerology, it's all is the same thing. You're reading your own thoughts into this. Since we don't think like you do on this subject, we aren't going to see what you think you see.

sts60
2006-Jun-22, 08:31 PM
Are you really saying that the words associated with the letters z-p don't look connected to 911? If that's what you are saying, you are a complete loon. If yu are saying that those words don't describe 911 and anyone else that says that, they are speaking utter rubbish.

Well, assuming the translation is accurate, they do look connected to 9/11, vaguely. They also look connected to an almost infinite variety of other events, periods, people, places, and concepts.

It's not that you can't draw a connection from the menu of words. It's just that the connection has no significance whatsoever other than to you. And that the generation of the characters has nothing to do with "sentience" but is merely gibberish generated by swapping data formats. And that there's certainly no foretelling of 9/11 or anything else; it's simply a combined demonstration of paredolia and the sharpshooter fallacy.

Gillianren
2006-Jun-22, 08:33 PM
It is, however, true, that all the remaining 14,363 people on this board haven't read the thread and therefore don't actively disagree, as this thread has only had roughly 1000 views. It's at least theoretically possible you might have a few more adherents.

However, popular doesn't make either side right. The fact is, this is exactly as silly an idea as that stupid Wingdings urban legend. Note that it's the idea I'm calling silly, because it is. What's the mechanism that would even make this make sense, if it did predict the attack on the World Trade Center (and Pentagon, and wherever the fourth plane was going), which it doesn't, especially?

Night G
2006-Jun-22, 08:37 PM
How can the same character mean "see" and "blind" or "wide open eyes" and "close eyes"? Kinda confusing.

Van Rijn
2006-Jun-22, 08:57 PM
Well, assuming the translation is accurate, they do look connected to 9/11, vaguely. They also look connected to an almost infinite variety of other events, periods, people, places, and concepts.


I understand what you are saying, but I disagree with the terminology. To me, for there to be a "connection" there needs to be some level of specificity that is obvious without hints. This is on the level of the cold reader saying "I see your father, I see a connection with water" and leaving it to the listener to make the connection. One person's father might be a fisherman, another may be a plumber, another may have enjoyed swimming, and so on. It is pretty much a given that you could find an association if you wanted to. Here, a word salad was provided with a statement of what it was supposed to apply to. It is pointless.

Donnie B.
2006-Jun-22, 09:17 PM
How can anyone possibly claim that the z - p translations refer to the 9/11 attacks?

Any fool can see that they describe the Cargo Cults of the South Pacific after World War II, and the resulting social upheavals among the indigenous populations affected.

Since apparently not everyone can see the obvious, I'll make it explicit:

z - Air; sky; empty; air force; in vain, air defense, low altitude, anti-aircraft defense. References the air campaign that initiated the cargo cults.

y - A sacrifice at the beginning of a military campaign, cult. Manifest. Duh!

x - Rocky hill. Cargo cultists typically man observation posts on volcanic mountaintops to scan the skies for the return of the "gods".

w - Eye; look, see; wide open eyes; to gaze in astonishment, blind; unperceptive, shortsighted, straight, erect, vertical, close eyes, sleep; hibernate, hypnotism; mesmerism, people, subjects, citizens. See above.

v - Fatigued, head sores, chronic disease, chronic illness; sorrow. Legs. Sorrow at the disappearance of the "gods"; references the social upheavals in the wake of that disappearance.

u - Field. i.e. Airfields, left abandoned at the close of the war.

t - Twin gems. The wealth and power of the "gods", once vicariously enjoyed by the islanders and now lost.

s - Commit crime, violate; criminal. Refers to the feelings of the indigenous peoples resulting from their abandonment by the "gods" after the war, the feelings of anger resulting from that abandonment, and the disruption of the formerly "idyllic" society that ensued.

q - Fire, flame, burn, anger, rage, ashes, dust, lime, to roast, spirit, soul, spiritual world. Sacrificial animal. Abandonment leads to anger; anger leads to violence.

p - Small river, gray ash, dust, engineer, physicist, head covered in dust. How sad that the American involvement in the Pacific war led to such desperation and angst! And let's not forget the nuclear testing that followed in the 1950s, with still greater impact on the islanders.

Clearly, anyone who can't grasp this obvious "whistle blow" is a moron. ;)

PhantomWolf
2006-Jun-22, 09:28 PM
I propose that it is not connected to 9/11 (edited: Or the Cargo Cults of the South Pacific) but in fact really a message about the period called World War 2 in an attempt to make sure people do not forget it.

z - Air; sky; empty; air force; in vain, air defense, low altitude, anti-aircraft defense.

Obviously a reference to many air battles and raids including the Battle of Britain and Pearl Habour.

y - A sacrifice at the beginning of a military campaign, cult. Manifest.

Refers to the world's sacrificing of the Rhineland and Chekaslovakia to the Nazi Blitzkreg prior to the Invasion of Poland.

x - Rocky hill.

Many of the battles were fought over Hills. examples are the The Battle of Monte Casino in Italy, and numerous Pacific Islands.

w - Eye; look, see; wide open eyes; to gaze in astonishment, blind; unperceptive, shortsighted, straight, erect, vertical, close eyes, sleep; hibernate, hypnotism; mesmerism, people, subjects, citizens.

This is refering to the world's attitude to what the Nazi's were doing in Gemany. Chamberland's "victiorious" return from Berlin to proclaim "Peace in our time" and the US's belief that they were safe from the war. Eyes were opened in astonishment as the War began.

v - Fatigued, head sores, chronic disease, chronic illness; sorrow. Legs.

There was much illness, fatigue and sorrow during the war, both to civilians and the soldiers.

u - Field.

Refers to the Battlefields of Europe and the Pacific.

t - Twin gems.

Esinhower and Churchill
Paton and Monty

s - Commit crime, violate; criminal.

Speaks to the War Crimes of the Nazi's and Japanese during the the war.

q - Fire, flame, burn, anger, rage, ashes, dust, lime, to roast, spirit, soul, spiritual world. Sacrificial animal.

What else can this be but a message about the Holocaust?

p - Small river, gray ash, dust, engineer, physicist, head covered in dust.

An very obvious reference to the Nuclear Bombings of Himoshima and Nagasaki

vonmazur
2006-Jun-22, 09:34 PM
Hersepex Maximus anyone??? It might be more meanigful than this exercise...But the goat in question has to come from Chicago, and be owned by a Greek Cubs Baseball fan.....It makes about the same sense to me.....(Conspiracies, secret messages in random data, and the 60 year plot to keep certain teams out of the World Series....)

Dale in Ala

PhantomWolf
2006-Jun-22, 09:47 PM
Of course it is possible it's talking about the crushing defeat the Lions got when they faced the All Blacks last Year too.

z - Air; sky; empty; air force; in vain, air defense, low altitude, anti-aircraft defense.

The Lion's defence under the high ball was in vain.

y - A sacrifice at the beginning of a military campaign, cult. Manifest.

The Lions lost several key players to injury early on in the Tour and then Brian O'Driscol was speartackled out of the tour in the first few minutes of the first test.

x - Rocky hill.

Mount Eden in Auckland. One of the Tests was played at Eden Park.

w - Eye; look, see; wide open eyes; to gaze in astonishment, blind; unperceptive, shortsighted, straight, erect, vertical, close eyes, sleep; hibernate, hypnotism; mesmerism, people, subjects, citizens.

The Lions came beliving they would crush the All Blacks, but their shortsighted tactics and play left the AB Fans wide eyed and astonished as the lions appeared to be asleep on the job.

v - Fatigued, head sores, chronic disease, chronic illness; sorrow. Legs.

The players were pretty fatigued and many fans had sore heads from the celebrations and partying.

u - Field.

Rugby Field

t - Twin gems.

Daniel Carter and Tana Umaga.

s - Commit crime, violate; criminal.

The O'Driscoll spear tackle and a few other pentalty infringements.

q - Fire, flame, burn, anger, rage, ashes, dust, lime, to roast, spirit, soul, spiritual world. Sacrificial animal.

A reference to the new All Black Haka which was performed for the first time.

p - Small river, gray ash, dust, engineer, physicist, head covered in dust.

Ashes on head denote the sorrows of defeat, exactly how the Lions felt after their test loses.


Wow I could do this all day, but I'm supposed to be working.

Maksutov
2006-Jun-22, 11:17 PM
edit]I'd say I'd like to make some money from this, I am a witer...Would that apply to a shade of pale?

Van Rijn
2006-Jun-22, 11:18 PM
Well darn. I thought Donnie B had something there with the Cargo Cult concept but that WWII argument is really convincing . . . ;)

For me, the second PhantomWolf example is a great demonstration of how badly this sort of thing falls flat when you aren't familiar with what's being suggested. I don't know anything about those teams, so while I get the idea of what's being suggested, I can't "fill in" any of the missing information myself. It shows just how little information is in the word salad.

Maksutov
2006-Jun-22, 11:23 PM
I worked with only two letters, t and v, put them through Notepad and got "Twin gems: Legs". I then put that though WordPad and got "Cyd Charisse".

What is so uncanny about this is that TV is probably the only way I'll be able to see her these days. True believer here! ;)

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-22, 11:29 PM
bush hid the facts

PhantomWolf
2006-Jun-23, 12:03 AM
bush hid the facts

Which facts? And what's your Proof?

Halcyon Dayz
2006-Jun-23, 12:04 AM
Notepadomancy seems to work as well as tasseography (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasseography). :whistle:

Van Rijn
2006-Jun-23, 12:52 AM
bush hid the facts

That's not a terribly useful statement. There are multiple threads on this forum where the evidence behind 9/11 has been discussed to very great length. If you want to talk about supposed evidence of conspiracy I'd recommend you do a search for those threads first. Chances are whatever you have has already been covered, repeatedly. If you want to just spout off politically, this isn't the forum for that. There are plenty of others both in and out of the U.S. for that.

PhantomWolf
2006-Jun-23, 01:02 AM
bush hid the facts

I noted this is a 4,3,3,5 so dropped it into the same translator he's been using.

The Result?

"Picked up and completed rubbing a shiney jade earing."

Yup, really.... apt?

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-23, 02:23 AM
the reason this happened is that "bush hid the facts" went viral.

Google, "bush hide the facts"

That's why it's about 911.

If "WWII was bad right" went viral it would be about WWII.

DIctionary.com:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral

Laguna
2006-Jun-23, 07:48 AM
Laguna,

lol, I doubt that 14363 people have read this.

You're kind of stretching the truth, wouldn't you say.
I did not say, that every other member has read it, just that no other memberseems to be of the same opinion.
At least no other member backed you up in this thread.


I never claimed it was connected to a conspiracy.
So, what is your claim? What is the whole purpose of this thread?
Either there is some consipracy behind all that, or it is just random.


Are you really saying that the words associated with the letters z-p don't look connected to 911? If that's what you are saying, you are a complete loon.
I take this as an insult!
Because, yes, I see no significant association between them.
You can link these combination of words to many other events, persons or places.


If yu are saying that those words don't describe 911 and anyone else that says that, they are speaking utter rubbish.
I would turn it around risking a warning. You are spreading utter rubbish!


You're gonna have to read the story to understand why it is parasentient.
See above.

PhantomWolf
2006-Jun-23, 10:50 AM
I'm going to put in a vote for this one to be the weirdest 9/11 CT yet.

WHarris
2006-Jun-23, 12:28 PM
I'd just call it a bunch of utter nonesense.

Laguna
2006-Jun-23, 12:31 PM
I'd just call it a bunch of utter nonesense.
So welcome in the club of loons ;)

ToSeek
2006-Jun-23, 01:53 PM
Laguna,

lol, I doubt that 14363 people have read this.

You're kind of stretching the truth, wouldn't you say.

I never claimed it was connected to a conspiracy.

Are you really saying that the words associated with the letters z-p don't look connected to 911? If that's what you are saying, you are a complete loon. If yu are saying that those words don't describe 911 and anyone else that says that, they are speaking utter rubbish.

You're gonna have to read the story to understand why it is parasentient.


Sinsanity, we do not allow ad hominems on this forum, such as calling someone a "complete loon." Please review our rules (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=32864) and follow them with future posts, or we will be required to take disciplinary action. This is an official warning.

SpitfireIX
2006-Jun-23, 08:41 PM
I'm going to put in a vote for this one to be the weirdest 9/11 CT yet.

Actually, I'd have to vote for "Video of United 175 crashing into 2 WTC was faked with a hologram generator." See here (http://www.gallerize.com/2005-01-11_001_MI_SG_UA175.htm). :eek::eek:

Ara Pacis
2006-Jun-23, 10:49 PM
We could invent a CT that is even more off the wall.

How about a secret government test at a particle accelerator accidentally caused a phenomenon that temporarily connected us to a parallel universe where terrorists actually did crash planes into the WTC. Then, the government had to actually destroy the towers because everyone already saw the TV seepage from the parallel universe. Not to mention that they needed to coverup their special particle accelerator test because it was actually an illegal point-singularity weapon prototype outlawed by our secret alien hybrid masters. Thus, you can patriotically support the cover-up because it is necessary if the resistance is ever going to overthrow the aliens.

Is that convoluted enough?

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-23, 11:22 PM
Laguna2, ToSeek,

Okay sorry about the loon comment, that was out of place.

I humbly apologize.

I understand why some people woudn't see any connection between 911 and:

p - Small river, gray ash, dust, engineer, physicist, head covered in dust

q - Fire, flame, burn, anger, rage, ashes, dust, lime, to roast, spirit, soul, spiritual world. Sacrificial animal

s - Commit crime, violate; criminal, looking like a fierce dog

t - Twin gems, a gem used as ear plug; king, ruler

u - Field, arable land, painting, picture

v - Fatigued, head sores, chronic disease, chronic illness; sorrow. Legs

w - Eye; look, see; wide open eyes; to gaze in astonishment, blind; unperceptive, shortsighted, straight, erect, vertical, close eyes, sleep; hibernate, hypnotism; mesmerism, people, subjects, citizens

x - Rocky hill, stone, rock, mineral

y - A sacrifice at the beginning of a military campaign, cult. Manifest

z - Air; sky; empty; air force; in vain, air defense, low altitude, anti-aircraft defense

Other's do see a connection. That's up to each individual.

Sorry, This is getting everyon so huffy and ****ed off. I thought it was an interesting little bug. I didn't create it, all I did was point it out.

The only way you are gonna prove it or not is get a wireless modem, put on a tin foil hat and see if teh internet will talk to you. lol lol

Somehow, I have the feeling that the internet isn't going to like many people here.

lol

lol

R.A.F.
2006-Jun-23, 11:53 PM
...I have the feeling that the internet isn't going to like many people here.

Could you explain what you mean by this statement??

JayUtah
2006-Jun-24, 12:00 AM
I think he means the Internet knows you're afraid.

Van Rijn
2006-Jun-24, 01:14 AM
I don't know. Perhaps some kind of Cyberbunk . . . er, Cyberpunk sentient internet idea?

R.A.F.
2006-Jun-24, 02:33 AM
I think he means the Internet knows you're afraid.

:lol:

There is nothing wrong with you're internet connection...do not attempt to change you're settings...[/Outer Limits control voice]

sts60
2006-Jun-24, 04:49 AM
Notepad senses my fear? (scratches head, goes off to bed)

Maksutov
2006-Jun-24, 05:07 AM
Notepad senses my fear? (scratches head, goes off to bed)Yup. And it sends a complete report to Brother Bill every time MS automatically "updates" your software. The reports are temporarily stored in a folder called System Volume Information. The report is written with a proprietary combination of Wingdings and Navaho.

http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/haushalt/e065.gif

Cl1mh4224rd
2006-Jun-24, 06:41 PM
Somehow, I have the feeling that the internet isn't going to like many people here.
We seem to be doing just fine...

Maksutov
2006-Jun-24, 06:50 PM
Remember, this is the Conspiracy Theories forum, where all coincidences are intentional.

http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/konfus/n022.gif

N C More
2006-Jun-24, 07:33 PM
I'm not so sure about this "sentient internet" stuff. Didn't scifi writer, Robert Heinlein, have a character that was a sentient computer (it was the moon's main computer), and what about HAL? Big brother is watching...and he is the internet! Yikes!

http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/frech/g010.gif

Van Rijn
2006-Jun-24, 08:47 PM
I'm not so sure about this "sentient internet" stuff. Didn't scifi writer, Robert Heinlein, have a character that was a sentient computer (it was the moon's main computer), and what about HAL? Big brother is watching...and he is the internet! Yikes!


You're thinking of Mycroft from "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress." Mycroft supposedly became sentient spontaneously. There are other sentient computers in some other Heinlein novels, of course.

But yeah. If my computer started saying, "I'm sorry, Dave, but I can't let you access Bautforum," I'd start to get worried. Of course, I'd probably just say "My name isn't Dave" and hit the power switch. Or at least run the virus software. Or see who had been fooling with my computer.

Infinity Watcher
2006-Jun-24, 09:15 PM
I feel obliged to link to this (http://www.reallifecomics.com/archive/991125.html) webcomic given the past couple of posts. Just out of curiosity could this still be described as pareidola? or is there another name for it? As has been pointed out a couple of times you can read just about anything you want into it and the codes for this were set a while ago and you have to twist the whole thing right to the border of comprehension to get something very ambiguous,its like trying to read prdictions into Nostradamus if you really look hard enough you can start linking it up to any even but somehow its always a tenuous connection (in this case you've had to twist a sentence to breaking point and some of the stuff that come out doesn't seem to bear any relationship at all to the events) to be honest I find most CTs unpalatable and the 9/11 ones more so than usual due to the atrocity of the act, it feels disrespectful to those who lost their lives so I'm going to withdraw now.

Maksutov
2006-Jun-24, 09:42 PM
[edit]But yeah. If my computer started saying, "I'm sorry, Dave, but I can't let you access Bautforum," I'd start to get worried. Of course, I'd probably just say "My name isn't Dave" and hit the power switch...Surely, you can't be serious!

zenbudda
2006-Jun-24, 10:57 PM
Surely, you can't be serious!

Of course i'm serious, and quit calling me Shirley.

GDwarf
2006-Jun-24, 11:09 PM
Of course i'm serious, and quit calling me Shirley.
Bah, beat me to it.

sts60
2006-Jun-24, 11:24 PM
Joel Achenbach, writing in the Washington Post about the arcane and unreliable nature of computers: "I'd give anything to own a computer like HAL, who, while sociopathic, would at least tell you to your face that he saw you talking smack about him and therefore will not open the pod bay doors..."

Van Rijn
2006-Jun-25, 12:20 AM
Bah, beat me to it.

Ditto. Grumble, grumble.

Maksutov
2006-Jun-26, 06:27 AM
I feel obliged to link to this (http://www.reallifecomics.com/archive/991125.html) webcomic given the past couple of posts. Just out of curiosity could this still be described as pareidola? or is there another name for it? As has been pointed out a couple of times you can read just about anything you want into it and the codes for this were set a while ago and you have to twist the whole thing right to the border of comprehension to get something very ambiguous,its like trying to read prdictions into Nostradamus if you really look hard enough you can start linking it up to any even but somehow its always a tenuous connection (in this case you've had to twist a sentence to breaking point and some of the stuff that come out doesn't seem to bear any relationship at all to the events) to be honest I find most CTs unpalatable and the 9/11 ones more so than usual due to the atrocity of the act, it feels disrespectful to those who lost their lives so I'm going to withdraw now.That's how I feel too. The only reason I stop by these pathetic threads is to post some sort of parody that will, perhaps, put the CTers and their ilk into the right perspective.

I've always found people who try to thrive off of others' misfortunes to be disgusting.

Van Rijn
2006-Jun-26, 06:53 AM
Just out of curiosity could this still be described as pareidola?

By the definition I quoted, absolutely. (http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.php?p=767473&postcount=55)

Ara Pacis
2006-Jun-26, 07:19 AM
I've always found people who try to thrive off of others' misfortunes to be be disgusting.

Like optometrists? :)

Maksutov
2006-Jun-26, 07:35 AM
I've always found people who try to thrive off of others' misfortunes to be disgusting.Like optometrists? :)See?

I rest my case.

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-26, 08:26 AM
I've always found people who try to thrive off of others' misfortunes to be disgusting.

I've always found that people that have been victims of misfortune like to know who caused their misfortune.

PhantomWolf
2006-Jun-26, 01:26 PM
Hmmmm, let's see. I'm going to go with the guy that admits he did it and seems rather proud of the fact.

phunk
2006-Jun-26, 03:36 PM
I've always found that people that have been victims of misfortune like to know who caused their misfortune.

And a conspiracy of microsoft developers and the unicode consortium started 20 years ago is blowing the whistle on GWB!

sts60
2006-Jun-26, 04:20 PM
I've always found that people that have been victims of misfortune like to know who caused their misfortune.

Of course; that's human nature. Unfortunately, this doesn't work very well in the cases where (a) no one in particular is responsible or (b) one brings misfortune upon himself. It's a lot easier to blame the gubmint or power lines or the manufacturer or the guy who looked at you funny or God than it is to blame either dumb luck or yourself.

Ara Pacis
2006-Jun-26, 09:27 PM
And a conspiracy of microsoft developers and the unicode consortium started 20 years ago is blowing the whistle on GWB!

It's proof that MS has developed Time Travel or Future Telling and has been holding back. The internet is not para-sentient, it is really sentient AI developed by MS. Look at the recent news... Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. It's all a code. Think about it. Bill is a type if mail and a gate for the mail is the mailbox or postoffice. This is the code that means that MS actually wants to make money by charging a fee for email, which is currently free. Warren Buffet is another code word. A warren is a hole in the ground, a den for rabbits and the like, a troglodyte habitat. Troglodyte could refer to the hacker underground. A buffet is a feast, so a troglodyte feast means that the hackers get what they want, a cut. The recent deal with "Bill Gates" and "Warren Buffet" shows that MS and hackers have come to an agreement that will allow a sentient AI to hack the web and control email so that both groups get a cut out of message fees. That's the message that the writers of the TV show "Odyssey 5" were trying to get out before the show was cancelled and they all mysteriously disappeared.

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-27, 01:27 AM
Hmmmm, let's see. I'm going to go with the guy that admits he did it and seems rather proud of the fact.


Here's a great little game for you:

It's sorta like "find Waldo". Go see if you can find the bin Laden that confessed to 911 on the video tape the marines amazingly found in a deserted house in Afghanistan. I guess they had teams of marines going house to house looking for confession tapes.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

PhantomWolf
2006-Jun-27, 01:31 AM
Here's a great little game for you:

It's sorta like "find Waldo". Go see if you can find the bin Laden that confessed to 911 on the video tape the marines amazingly found in a deserted house in Afghanistan. I guess they had teams of marines going house to house looking for confession tapes.


I don't need to, he released a tape on Al Jazera last month admitting to it.

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-27, 01:32 AM
Another amazing aspect to this story. Within the last 24 hours a number of stories have appeared in the online newspapers. Here's some of the headlines:

Robots Invade Human Mind

Coming soon: mind reading computers

New computers may be able to read minds

Scientists Develop Mind-reading Computers

All posted within the last 24 hours.

http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&ncl=http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp%3Fpage%3D2006%255C06%255C27%255Cstory_ 27-6-2006_pg4_14

PhantomWolf
2006-Jun-27, 01:37 AM
New computers may be able to read minds

No, they are attempting to read Faces to determine emotional state from expressions.


The computer program takes data from a camera to locate and track 24 facial "feature points", such as the edge of the nose, the eyebrows and the corners of the mouth.

The headlines are nothing more than Media spin to attract the readers attention. Did you actully bother to read the articles, or just the headlines?

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-27, 01:40 AM
Here's a great little game for you:

It's sorta like "find Waldo". Go see if you can find the bin Laden that confessed to 911 on the video tape the marines amazingly found in a deserted house in Afghanistan. I guess they had teams of marines going house to house looking for confession tapes.


I don't need to, he released a tape on Al Jazera last month admitting to it.


Cool, then you realize that the tape was a fake, that's a big step to admit, and if that's fake, how much more of it is fake?

The 911 truth isn't gonna go mainstream until there is a smoking gun found. Something like "bin laden works for the CIA" or "Al Qaeda was created by the CIA" Until something as absurd as that, the official theory will stand.

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-27, 01:43 AM
Robots Invade Human Mind

Coming soon: mind reading computers

New computers may be able to read minds

Scientists Develop Mind-reading Computers

All posted within the last 24 hours.

http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&t...-6-2006_pg4_14

sinsanity2006
2006-Jun-27, 01:44 AM
lol

Van Rijn
2006-Jun-27, 01:48 AM
Another amazing aspect to this story. Within the last 24 hours a number of stories have appeared in the online newspapers. Here's some of the headlines:

Robots Invade Human Mind
[snip]
http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&ncl=http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp%3Fpage%3D2006%255C06%255C27%255Cstory_ 27-6-2006_pg4_14

And despite the impressive titles, the stories are about some interesting visual recognition software designed to note certain facial expressions. Which is interesting technically, but what is your point?

Would you mind giving us some idea of your computer background? Back when I was young, microprocessors didn't exist, and it wasn't easy to even get near a digital computer. I thought they were almost magical, because I didn't understand the mechanics behind the chess programs, the Eliza programs, and so on. After learning more about them, they were just as interesting, but not mysterious. There is no magic here.

Edited to add:

I just noticed you posted the same thing twice, separated by 15 minutes. There is a "Delete" option you can use when you double post.

PhantomWolf
2006-Jun-27, 01:56 AM
Cool, then you realize that the tape was a fake, that's a big step to admit, and if that's fake, how much more of it is fake?

So anything that disagrees with your preset conclusion is fake, even things you obviously knew nothing about until reading them here. Good to see you are openminded and objective.

Som if it's a fake, why was it released to the Muslim world, not targeted to the western world? Why did no one that knows him or why did he himself not contact Al Jererza and tell them that they had aired a fake?

Something like "bin laden works for the CIA" or "Al Qaeda was created by the CIA" Until something as absurd as that, the official theory will stand.

A number of people do claim this, but consider this, if he worked for the CIA, why would the tapes be fake? All they'd have to do is get him to make them. You can't have it both ways, and either claim needs proof.

PhantomWolf
2006-Jun-27, 02:51 AM
Cool, then you realize that the tape was a fake, that's a big step to admit, and if that's fake, how much more of it is fake?

Rereading I'm wondering if there could be miscommunication here too.

My initial response:

I don't need to, he released a tape on Al Jazera last month admitting to it.

Meant that I didn't need to go looking, because OBL released an audio tape last month in which he again (for about the 4th time?) claimed he'd sent the hijackers. This was part of a much longer tape along his usual lines of fighting the US in Iraq and Afghanistan. The part I am refering to though is where he stated that Zacharias Musawi was not part of the 9/11 plot and that the US had the wrong man. He stated that he knew this because he had personally sent the 19 men that did the attacks and Musawi was not amongst them.

Now sure you can claim this is a fake too, but then you have to explain why US would fake a tape that spent 99% of its time attacking them for injustices in Iraq, Afghanistan and against those they have detained, such as Musawi and those held at Guantanamo Bay all for a simple off the cuff comment that most people probably missed anyway. Not only that but you need to explain why Al Jazera would air a fake tape. Wouldn't they know the difference between a real Al Quadea tape and a faked one since they air many real ones, and why has OBL or one of his followers not denouced this tape as a forgery? After all if someone made a tape claiming to be you admitting to a serious crinme and then played it to the people in your home town, wouldn't you state publically it wasn't real?

Cl1mh4224rd
2006-Jun-27, 06:32 AM
Here's a great little game for you:

It's sorta like "find Waldo". Go see if you can find the bin Laden that confessed to 911 on the video tape the marines amazingly found in a deserted house in Afghanistan. I guess they had teams of marines going house to house looking for confession tapes.
Tsk, tsk... Something tells me you haven't even played your own game (it's Where's Waldo, by the way, which has almost no relevence to your point anyway). There's a whole video out there, and you swallow 3-4 frames as absolute proof of fakery? Didn't you say something about research earlier in the thread? What a shame...

http://www.911myths.com/html/fake_video.html
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/lcg5.html (a little over halfway down the page)

Gillianren
2006-Jun-27, 11:01 AM
It's proof that MS has developed Time Travel or Future Telling and has been holding back. The internet is not para-sentient, it is really sentient AI developed by MS. Look at the recent news... Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. It's all a code. Think about it. Bill is a type if mail and a gate for the mail is the mailbox or postoffice. This is the code that means that MS actually wants to make money by charging a fee for email, which is currently free. Warren Buffet is another code word. A warren is a hole in the ground, a den for rabbits and the like, a troglodyte habitat. Troglodyte could refer to the hacker underground. A buffet is a feast, so a troglodyte feast means that the hackers get what they want, a cut. The recent deal with "Bill Gates" and "Warren Buffet" shows that MS and hackers have come to an agreement that will allow a sentient AI to hack the web and control email so that both groups get a cut out of message fees. That's the message that the writers of the TV show "Odyssey 5" were trying to get out before the show was cancelled and they all mysteriously disappeared.

Don't forget that a "buffett" is a blow (it's how he spells and pronounces his name), and he wants to "hit" people up for cash.

Sigma_Orionis
2006-Jun-27, 05:24 PM
Hmmm, I am listening too much stuff on the Internet and Sir Bill of Gates, heh, Bolt, Beranek and Newman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolt,_Beranek_and_Newman) had more to do with that than Mr. Gates :)

stutefish
2006-Jun-27, 06:37 PM
So... Does the title of this thread mean anything, or is it just a word salad?

sts60
2006-Jun-27, 06:54 PM
Well, the Internet had nothing to do with it; the modifier "para-" didn't really apply; there was no evidence of sentience on the part of any computer system; nothing "became" anything; and there was no truth about 911, and nothing was revealed except that some people don't understand that encoding stuff back and forth can yield gibberish - well, the other thing was that cherry-picking results of translated gibberish can lead to post-hoc "prophecies" if you're determined enough. But that's hardly a revelation.

But the "The" and "to" parts of the title were OK.

nomuse
2006-Jun-27, 08:30 PM
Sigh. I'm a day late and a million yen short, but I finally followed the link in the first post.

Dunno how many here have studied asian languages (I suspect, many). Mine is Japanese, of which I can do almost well enough to puzzle out the names of anime characters and any mecha that isn't Shirow. In any case, if you look up a single kanji in Kodansha's or similar, you may get some listing of the radicals -- i.e. smaller kanji that have been "bundled together" to make the one you are studying, and simple definitions, and usage within compounds.

As a simple example, if you take the character chu (sorry...don't know how to put the actual kanji in my post), the radicals are a form of Man and Middle. The "on" meaning of the character by itself is "relations, relationships, terms." By adding the stand-alone character for Person to it, it becomes "Marriage Broker." But adding a different character will make compounds such as "Broker," "Quarrel," "Intercession," or "Waitress."

So when you see that laundry-list of possible meanings spat out from one of those online translators, they are not all equally valid interpretations. In fact, some of them are as far from being an actual reading of the character in question as to make using them the equivalent of finding a definition for "Biology; the study of living organisms, the..." and deciding that "Biology" means "Organism."

Donnie B.
2006-Jun-27, 08:55 PM
...But the "The" and "to" parts of the title were OK.Yes, but who would have posted anything to a thread titled "The To" ?

Maksutov
2006-Jun-27, 10:29 PM
Sigh. I'm a day late and a million yen short, but I finally followed the link in the first post.

Dunno how many here have studied asian languages (I suspect, many). Mine is Japanese, of which I can do almost well enough to puzzle out the names of anime characters and any mecha that isn't Shirow. In any case, if you look up a single kanji in Kodansha's or similar, you may get some listing of the radicals -- i.e. smaller kanji that have been "bundled together" to make the one you are studying, and simple definitions, and usage within compounds.

As a simple example, if you take the character chu (sorry...don't know how to put the actual kanji in my post), the radicals are a form of Man and Middle. The "on" meaning of the character by itself is "relations, relationships, terms." By adding the stand-alone character for Person to it, it becomes "Marriage Broker." But adding a different character will make compounds such as "Broker," "Quarrel," "Intercession," or "Waitress."

So when you see that laundry-list of possible meanings spat out from one of those online translators, they are not all equally valid interpretations. In fact, some of them are as far from being an actual reading of the character in question as to make using them the equivalent of finding a definition for "Biology; the study of living organisms, the..." and deciding that "Biology" means "Organism."Thank you, nomuse. As with most languages, there are always nuances that are understood only by those who use the language constantly and fluently. Your explanation of why a CT using a rote translator would tend to be way off base was right on target!

Viel dank!

Laguna
2006-Jun-28, 07:08 AM
Viel dank!
That's "Vielen Dank" ;)

Ara Pacis
2006-Jun-28, 07:29 AM
Is that Minbari?

Maksutov
2006-Jun-29, 02:24 AM
That's "Vielen Dank" ;)Thanks! Thought it looked "funny".

Man, you leave an apostrophe or en off and look where you wind up. You stare in the spiegel and ask yourself, "Wie geht's?"

Maksutov
2006-Jun-29, 02:39 AM
Is that Minbari?Not quite. It's actually &#220;berbari, the language of a group from Chi Draconis A who settled in Oberammergau during the 17th century CE.

Their leader married a girl named Alice, who was from Holland. As a result he was affectionately nicknamed "Dutch". This name became corrupted over the years into "Deutsch". Both he and his wife lived many years on their plot of land and are buried there.

When his wife, who predeceased him, was interred, he started a local tradition that continues to this day. As the dirt was shoveled into her grave and covered her coffin, he quietly intoned a song he had written for the occasion.

Every year now on the anniversary of that event the remaining travelers from Chi Draconis A meet at the cemetery and sing the same song, "Deutsch Land &#220;ber Alice".

SpitfireIX
2006-Jun-29, 03:42 AM
Every year now on the anniversary of that event the remaining travelers from Chi Draconis A meet at the cemetery and sing the same song, "Deutsch Land Über Alice".

<groan> Send him back to the minors... :silenced:

Maksutov
2006-Jun-29, 04:09 AM
That's "Vielen Dank" ;)Of course if you're currently located in certain parts of New England, that wold be "Vielen Damp". :)

Maksutov
2006-Jun-29, 04:41 AM
Every year now on the anniversary of that event the remaining travelers from Chi Draconis A meet at the cemetery and sing the same song, "Deutsch Land Über Alice".

<groan> Send him back to the minors... :silenced:http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4079/ashaggydog1wp.th.jpg (http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ashaggydog1wp.jpg)