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Orion437
2006-Jul-10, 03:24 AM
Kind of old...but fascinating, to say the least.

Im new in this forum :)


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/325290.stm


Prehistoric Moon map unearthed

A map of the moon with the rock carvings superimposed on it

By BBC News Online Science Editor Dr David Whitehouse

A map of the Moon 10-times older than anything known before has been found carved into stone at one of Ireland's most ancient and mysterious Neolithic sites.

It has been identified by Dr Philip Stooke, of the University of Western Ontario, Canada. He spends most of his time preparing maps of asteroids based on spacecraft observations, but he has also prepared detailed maps of the Moon.

What puzzled him greatly was that there was no recorded map of the Moon older than about 500 years. "I simply could not believe this," he told BBC News Online. "I felt there just had to be an older map somewhere."


"I was amazed when I saw it. Place the markings over a picture of the full Moon and you will see that they line up. It is without doubt a map of the Moon, the most ancient one ever found," said Dr Stooke.

Before this discovery, the oldest known map of the Moon was by Leonardo da Vinci, drawn about 1505. The Knowth map is 10-times older.

Dragon Star
2006-Jul-10, 03:49 AM
Hey, that's neat!

(for future reference, when quoting an article you can highlight the text and click the quote icon (looks like a square with scripture on it) just above the text box that you type on.

And the quote tags look like this:


[/QUOTE ] (without the spaces)

And you get this

[quote](Text here)

Orion437
2006-Jul-10, 04:14 AM
Hey, that's neat!

(for future reference, when quoting an article you can highlight the text and click the quote icon (looks like a square with scripture on it) just above the text box that you type on.

And the quote tags look like this:

[QUOTE ] [/QUOTE ] (without the spaces)

And you get this

Wow...didnt know about that, thanks Dragon Star !

Dragon Star
2006-Jul-10, 04:18 AM
No problem!

Also, didn't know if you have seen it yet, there is also a quote button to the right of every post that you can push so you don't have to copy/paste to every reply.

We are understanding and nice people, all you have to do is ask if you have a question or don't understand something, we were all new at one time or another.:D

01101001
2006-Jul-10, 04:22 AM
First, welcome to the BAUT forum.


Wow...didnt know about that, thanks Dragon Star !
Now, you ought to go back to your post and get rid of the text, or most of it -- before a moderator has to do it for you. It's not fair to reproduce in whole someone's copyrighted work. A few quoted sentences to call out key points or give a flavor is fine, but too much is too much.

Dragon Star
2006-Jul-10, 04:29 AM
That's right. See, what you do is provide the link and quote a small passage that is interesting, then people check out the link if they are interested. And your cool, no problems.

With that in mind, have you read the forum rules? It's a good idea to read them a few times to get yourself familiarized with them. Although they are quite long to read, they keep this place in tip top shape and are heavily enforced.

Māori
2006-Jul-10, 04:41 AM
A map of the Moon 10-times older than anything known before has been found carved into stone at one of Ireland's most ancient and mysterious Neolithic sites.
Is there a photo of the stone somewhere to actually compare it to the moon?

Dragon Star
2006-Jul-10, 04:44 AM
Is there a photo of the stone somewhere to actually compare it to the moon?

Did you try the link?:rolleyes:

Māori
2006-Jul-10, 04:54 AM
Did you try the link?:rolleyes:
There's no actual photo of the stone. It's just a drawing. :D

Dragon Star
2006-Jul-10, 04:56 AM
But it shows you what it had, that not good enough?

Orion437
2006-Jul-10, 04:57 AM
First, welcome to the BAUT forum.


Now, you ought to go back to your post and get rid of the text, or most of it -- before a moderator has to do it for you. It's not fair to reproduce in whole someone's copyrighted work. A few quoted sentences to call out key points or give a flavor is fine, but too much is too much.

I`ve edited it

Thanks for the welcome :)

By the way, it is not a copyrighted work. Its a BCC article, at 100% free disposal of reproducing it freely.

Māori
2006-Jul-10, 05:05 AM
But it shows you what it had, that not good enough?
No. I think I'd like a source more reliable than a news website. The BAUT is making me more skeptical of my sources when it comes to believing. :cool:

Orion437
2006-Jul-10, 05:09 AM
No. I think I'd like a source more reliable than a news website. The BAUT is making me more skeptical of my sources when it comes to believing. :cool:

The BBC is an excelente news source, totally reliable.

Dragon Star
2006-Jul-10, 05:09 AM
Then don't you think you should go look for it?;)

Māori
2006-Jul-10, 05:13 AM
Buggers! :p

WaxRubiks
2006-Jul-10, 05:15 AM
It would be good to actually see the real thing; I've Googled but came up with nowt.

Māori
2006-Jul-10, 05:18 AM
Well I googled images for "map of the moon with the rock carvings". This is what I found, which looks like there may be a horse on moon. :lol:

http://nordictravel.ru/photos/petroglif3small.jpg

If you just google, you get the same "drawing" as the OP's link.

WaxRubiks
2006-Jul-10, 05:22 AM
well i found this

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4695/knowthkerbstone169ys.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
but that don't look much like it.

Orion437
2006-Jul-10, 05:23 AM
http://publish.uwo.ca/~pjstooke/

There?

Māori
2006-Jul-10, 05:28 AM
http://publish.uwo.ca/~pjstooke/

There?
:think:

Frog march, I can't get your photo to completely download. :wall:

01101001
2006-Jul-10, 05:29 AM
IBy the way, it is not a copyrighted work. Its a BCC article, at 100% free disposal of reproducing it freely.
Where do you see it is not copyrighted and the property of the BBC? Right at the bottom of the page (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/325290.stm) is:


MMIII (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/copyright.stm)

WaxRubiks
2006-Jul-10, 05:33 AM
I've edited it, but I don't think that that is the stone we're after.

Orion437
2006-Jul-10, 05:33 AM
Where do you see it is not copyrighted and the property of the BBC? Right at the bottom of the page (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/325290.stm) is:

You are right, my mistake.

WaxRubiks
2006-Jul-10, 05:37 AM
You are right, my mistake.


I don't suppose the BBC would really mind this one time,;)


edit-just remember, just quote a small piece.

Māori
2006-Jul-10, 05:37 AM
I've edited it, but I don't think that that is the stone we're after.
Well, you'd think there'd be an actual photo to have something to compare. Orion437, you're okay with your source. BBC is a great website. I'd just like better proof. :)

Dragon Star
2006-Jul-10, 05:39 AM
After-all, instead of giving the new guy a bone we are giving him the whole dinosaur.

Har Har (note prehistoric find):p

Māori
2006-Jul-10, 05:51 AM
Knowth Megalithic Passage Tomb (http://www.knowth.com/knowth.htm) - I FOUND PHOTOS!

I don't get it, Dr Philip J. Stooke has real photos of everything else for Knowth, but he leaves out the one item <insert a drawing> he is talking about. :think:

WaxRubiks
2006-Jul-10, 06:07 AM
Knowth Megalithic Passage Tomb (http://www.knowth.com/knowth.htm) - I FOUND PHOTOS!

I don't get it, Dr Philip J. Stooke has real photos of everything else for Knowth, but he leaves out the one item <insert a drawing> he is talking about. :think:


the still only have drawings

http://www.knowth.com/lunar-maps.htm

it's a moon hoax. :0

Māori
2006-Jul-10, 06:23 AM
the still only have drawings

http://www.knowth.com/lunar-maps.htm

it's a moon hoax. :0
http://www.mythicalireland.com/ancientsites/knowth/knowth-macehead.jpg
Shocked look! (www.mythicalireland.com/ancientsites/knowth/knowth-macehead)


When you click on the photos, they go to Mythical Ireland (http://www.mythicalireland.com/ancientsites/knowth/index.html) or The Sacred Island: Guided Tours of Ireland's ancient sites (http://www.carrowkeel.com/sites/boyne/knowth/index.html).

Here's some more photos (http://www.knowth.com/knowth-images.htm) (and drawings to show us what we should see). I'm not trusting this comparison. I'm sorry, Orion437. Neat fun, for me, in searching the internet for more information. :cool:

jt-3d
2006-Jul-10, 11:28 AM
I don't know, if it was like the comparison drawing, I'd be impressed but I think those lines could be anything.

eburacum45
2006-Jul-10, 12:30 PM
"I was amazed when I saw it. Place the markings over a picture of the full Moon and you will see that they line up. It is without doubt a map of the Moon, the most ancient one ever found," said Dr Stooke.

Well, I admire his confidence, but this is not as definite as Dr Stooke might think. It may be a Moon map, but we will almost certainly never get any confirmation of that fact. We don't have any corroborating evidence for such an identification; no literary references, nothing. As with most palaeoastronomy, it remains just an intriguing possibility.

Orion437
2006-Jul-11, 02:58 AM
"I was amazed when I saw it. Place the markings over a picture of the full Moon and you will see that they line up. It is without doubt a map of the Moon, the most ancient one ever found," said Dr Stooke.

Well, I admire his confidence, but this is not as definite as Dr Stooke might think. It may be a Moon map, but we will almost certainly never get any confirmation of that fact. We don't have any corroborating evidence for such an identification; no literary references, nothing. As with most palaeoastronomy, it remains just an intriguing possibility.

http://publish.uwo.ca/~pjstooke/pubs.txt

If a scientific investigator with such a good profile says so in a website so serius as the BBC, i tend to believe him.