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Glom
2006-Sep-21, 04:37 PM
Richard Hammond crashes his drag racer (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/5365676.stm)

:sad:

Nicolas
2006-Sep-21, 05:26 PM
I hope he gets well soon and broke the land speed record next to some other things, just to stay in style of the programme.

Keep fighting, Hamster.

Roy Batty
2006-Sep-21, 06:03 PM
Yeah, I wish him the best! (as I always have in the contests the three of them have had over the series).

PhantomWolf
2006-Sep-22, 01:47 AM
I too hope he gets well soon and has no lasting affects from the accident. The things they do for their show......

BigDon
2006-Sep-22, 02:06 AM
Is this the same guy I once saw do a mythbusters-like segment on automobiles that end up in the water? I think I caught the show twice.

Really opened my eyes as to why you want to try to get out immediately and not wait until the car fills with water to "equalize the pressure so you can open the door". As he put it, "You don't know if the water is ten feet deep or a hundred".

That and the segment where he's driving that 350 horsepower off road vehicle called a "Bowler". That one looked like he was having a lot of fun. I wanted one after that. The same yellow color too.

Nicolas
2006-Sep-22, 07:59 AM
How do you get out of a car that isn't filled yet, trying to kick out the windshield?

BigDon
2006-Sep-22, 08:25 AM
If you are not stunned while impacting the water you can still push the door open while the car briefly floats. The water pressure on the door doesn't get too oppressive until its over about a foot and a half deep. The car fills fast after that.

And you are still going to have to fight for your life. But its better than riding it down to an unknown depth. Once you are down deeper than where you are inheirently bouyant, (I think thats about 20 feet down, I'm sure a diver can tell us) in the dark and cold, the average person's chance of survival is grim.

jumbo
2006-Sep-22, 09:22 AM
How do you get out of a car that isn't filled yet, trying to kick out the windshield?
If possible wind the door window down and go out through that id have thought.

Get well soon hamster! Ive been watching some of the top gear clips online and i cant imagine the show without him really.

There seems confusion of whether there was a record attempt. Some have said that he was attempting the UK based land speed record (not the world one obviously, you cant do that in the UK) while others have said not. Apparently he has smiled in hospital at Clarksons joking insult about his driving ability. Hopefully thats a good sign for a good recovery!

On a side note (i guess rather OT) im really dubious about the they accelerate at 6g quote. From what i understand the car had about 3000lbs of thrust and weighed about 1500lbs. Doesnt that mean the best case for acceleration is about 2g. (very very back of the envelope maths there though so i could be very very wrong) Still more than you average car but not near the 6g quoted figure.

captain swoop
2006-Sep-22, 10:02 AM
Looking through the reader comments on the BBC news website there are some mean minded people out there. 99% are well wishers but there are some who actualy say it serves him right and the whole show should be pulled for encouraging people to break the law and drive fast! others bang the 'environment' drum.

Good luck Richard, get up and get back in there.

FrostByte
2006-Sep-22, 12:10 PM
I wish him the very best. And I something tells me that that was the last time he's ever gonna go in one of those drag racers... Those things are mean, to say the least. He wouldn't have been the first poor sap to lose his life while driving one.

I've seen a video once of a guy who lost both his knee-caps(yeah, ouch) while driving one. He scraped along the floor on his knees, and well, when the suit was torn through, his knees... well, you get the picture.

But I wish him the very best and hope he get's well soon. Top gear without Richard Hammond is unthinkable. Come to think of it, the show would probably be cancelled if would have died.

FrostByte
2006-Sep-22, 12:12 PM
Oh, and it makes me sick that some retards are using this to push their agenda's down other people's throats. I'm talking about the fast driving on the road or the extreme enviromentalists. There's a time and place for these things and it's NOT here!

WaxRubiks
2006-Sep-22, 12:39 PM
I think that to be a good driver you have to acknowledge that there is a part of you that wants to drive down the road at 500mph with sparks flying, well speaking for myself at least.

Roy Batty
2006-Sep-22, 04:11 PM
Some good news (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22092006/325/top-gear-s-hammond-intensive-care.html).

Glom
2006-Sep-22, 04:40 PM
Looking through the reader comments on the BBC news website there are some mean minded people out there. 99% are well wishers but there are some who actualy say it serves him right and the whole show should be pulled for encouraging people to break the law and drive fast! others bang the 'environment' drum.

Good luck Richard, get up and get back in there.

And there is talk that the ecocrats at the BBC want to use this as an excuse to pull the show. Hamster's not even dead and these scum sucking pieces of filth are already dancing on his grave. We get 24/7 on the Beeb of this 'liberal' (liberal is supposed to mean free when it is nothing of the sort these days) crap from the high priests of political correctness. At least give us one hour a week for sixteen weeks a year to actually have fun. :mad:

Roy Batty
2006-Sep-22, 05:11 PM
And there is talk that the ecocrats at the BBC want to use this as an excuse to pull the show. Hamster's not even dead and these scum sucking pieces of filth are already dancing on his grave. We get 24/7 on the Beeb of this 'liberal' (liberal is supposed to mean free when it is nothing of the sort these days) crap from the high priests of political correctness. At least give us one hour a week for sixteen weeks a year to actually have fun. :mad:
Yeah, also we get an hour of shoddy, 3rd rate 'investigative reporting' in the form of Panorama's 'expose' of football corruption that would make a hack from The Sun shudder. I'm paying an extra £5 a year for this?!!

Sorry, don't want to derail the thread, just had to rant!

Dr Nigel
2006-Sep-22, 09:10 PM
...and these scum sucking pieces of filth are already dancing on his grave. ...

Careful, now, that sounds like an ad hominem.

From what I read on the Beeb's website, it was an attempt on the British land speed record (after all, it would take a huge project to take the land speed record away from Thrust SSC), but no-one was sure whether or not the record was in danger prior to the accident.

They said the car was travelling at around 300 mph when the Hamster lost control. I wish him a full and speedy recovery (no pun intended).

Nicolas
2006-Sep-22, 09:42 PM
Apparently he has smiled in hospital at Clarksons joking insult about his driving ability. Hopefully thats a good sign for a good recovery!

If that results in Clarkson taken up in intensive care, that's a VERY good recovery ;)

I do hope the brain damage will cause no permanent issues.

Robert Andersson
2006-Sep-22, 11:15 PM
On a side note (i guess rather OT) im really dubious about the they accelerate at 6g quote. From what i understand the car had about 3000lbs of thrust and weighed about 1500lbs. Doesnt that mean the best case for acceleration is about 2g. (very very back of the envelope maths there though so i could be very very wrong) Still more than you average car but not near the 6g quoted figure.
I don't know about much about drag racing. I know Formula 1 cars can have braking acceleration up to 5.5g (from 350 km/h). Forward acceleration is about 1.5g, but a drag racer's should be higher so your figure of 2g sound about right.

cjl
2006-Sep-22, 11:26 PM
Well, true top fuel dragsters can push well over 5g off the line, but it sounds like he wasn't driving one of those. For a jet dragster, 2-3g is reasonable.

Roy Batty
2006-Sep-23, 12:30 AM
They said the car was travelling at around 300 mph when the Hamster lost control. I wish him a full and speedy recovery (no pun intended).
From what I've read/heard previously, he was winding down when it veered off, though reports differ & are still vague. The aerial photos seem to support this so far ie the tracks & wreck weren't too far from the runway.

Anyway, the important thing is he seems to be recovering rather well (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22092006/325/hammond-makes-good-progress.html) so far.

BigDon
2006-Sep-23, 01:10 AM
I just hope what happened to me doesn't happen to him. I had a "significant brain injury" myself and as a result I have seizures every couple of weeks or so. Thats why I move furniture for a living. Real jobs don't want to risk I'll seize at work at then become a potential lawsuit. I absolutely hate that. That and not being permited to operate a motor vehicle. That would really suck for him. I'm kind of used to it by now.

Nicolas
2006-Sep-23, 09:41 AM
That's bad to hear. Though I do understand you are not allowed to operate a motor vehicle for your own and other's safety, as far as I get "the picture".

I hope you (continue to) find a lifestyle that makes you feel happy!

zebo-the-fat
2006-Sep-24, 08:21 PM
Looking good for him:-
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006440317,,00.html

I didn't think he would be out of bed for months! :)

Nicolas
2006-Sep-25, 12:07 AM
IN the wee small hours of Thursday night, just 30 hours after what is almost certainly the world’s fastest ever car crash

How hard is it to look something up? World's fastest car crash was the Green Monster as far as I know, and that was twice the speed. (610 mph). He was on his feet the next day.

That said, it seems the Hamster's back. Good news! My bet is they will show the crash footage in an episode of Top Gear, with "the hamster dance" as soundtrack.

HenrikOlsen
2006-Sep-25, 02:20 AM
As a person with a beard and dirty fingernails I'd like to say I really hope they continue the show.

Nicolas
2006-Sep-25, 07:12 AM
Dutch newspaper described it as a rocket wopered car...good journalism again.

Good thing the Hamster didn't suffocate with his helmet full of soil embedded in the ground. Would be kind of ironic, for The Hamster to die while digging a hole ;).

captain swoop
2006-Sep-25, 08:29 AM
Next series of Top Gear will be held back until Richard is well enough to present it. It's not due to go to air for a month or 2 so it could be OK.

See that his family asked for no flowers, cards etc but instead make a donation to the Yorkshire Air Ambulance, they have recieved over £200,000 in 5 days.

jumbo
2006-Sep-25, 08:48 AM
World's fastest car crash was the Green Monster as far as I know, and that was twice the speed. (610 mph). He was on his feet the next day.
IIRC Craig Breedlove crashed spirit of america at 675 mph in 1996. Either way claiming 300 mph as the fastest crash is not doing much research on the part of the paper.


Next series of Top Gear will be held back until Richard is well enough to present it. It's not due to go to air for a month or 2 so it could be OK.

Hopefully just a month or so as long as transport2000 and the daily mail dont get their way that is. They are both campaigning to get the show axed now.

captain swoop
2006-Sep-25, 08:51 AM
It's has the highest viewing figures on BBC2 and its sold to about 25 countries, I can't see it being axed.

jumbo
2006-Sep-25, 09:02 AM
I think its wildly unlikely too, but its annoying to see groups come out of the woodwork and use an accident like this to promote their agenda.

Good news has come out of this accident though. The air ambulance appeal is now (from what i hear) £200,000 better off after 5 days of donations.

Glom
2006-Sep-25, 04:09 PM
Hopefully just a month or so as long as transport2000 and the daily mail dont get their way that is. They are both campaigning to get the show axed now.

Michael Palin can kiss my hairy, white ***!

Glom
2006-Sep-25, 06:40 PM
Let Michael Palin know just what a pratt he is! (http://www.petitiononline.com/tg100/petition.html)

sarongsong
2006-Sep-25, 08:50 PM
It's has the highest viewing figures on BBC2 and its sold to about 25 countries, I can't see it being axed.Still no sign (that I've seen) any U.S. stations having picked it up. Sounds like another great British production that's being kept from us, probably while some local TV producers try to copy and present as 'new'---like "So You Want to be a Millionaire". (Some U.S. stations are still running the original "Are You Being Served?"---gag!)
Top Gear Magazine (http://www.topgear.com/) did catch my eye for the first time at the local bookstore earlier this month, with their cover story,
The 100 Sexiest Cars (http://www.topgear.com/content/news/stories/1092/). (You'll never, ever guess what came in at #1!)
Glad to hear Hamster seems well on his way to recovery, and look forward to seeing an episode or two.

Glom
2006-Sep-25, 09:07 PM
It won an Emmy so some Americans must have seen it.

Nicolas
2006-Sep-25, 09:27 PM
I heard that the coming year of Top Gear is cancelled to give the hamster time to grow new fur make a full recovery, but I've only heard somebody tell it to me; she heard it on the news she said.

BigDon
2006-Sep-25, 10:05 PM
Sarongsong, we have it out here in California. I just don't watch it a lot do to conflicts with shows I do watch a lot.

JohnD
2006-Sep-25, 10:27 PM
No US TV Stations show Top Gear?

May be the US TV Industry is too embarassed: Last year TG won an Emmy for "Best Unscripted Show". As Jeremy Clarkson said, they were sorry, they couldn't attend the award ceremony because they were too busy, er, writing the script.

See: http://www.iemmys.tv/press%20releases/Release.2005-11-21.Winners.doc
and
http://www.finalgear.com/shows/topgear/7/3/

JOhn

Nicolas
2006-Sep-28, 12:42 PM
*again* the news paper referred to it as a rocket powered car, boo-hoo

zebo-the-fat
2006-Sep-28, 05:32 PM
He was moved to a hospital closer to his home today, he WALKED from the ambulance! He may be small, but he's tough! (or maybe just lucky!)

captain swoop
2006-Sep-29, 10:24 AM
apparently they put a hole in his skull to relieve pressure on the brain. His arm appeared to be in a sling as well on the news footage of him walking from the ambulance

ciderman
2006-Oct-23, 03:56 PM
A bit more news here;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6076018.stm

Roy Batty
2006-Oct-26, 03:54 PM
Here's another typical 'in your eye' statement from Clarkson :D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6088264.stm

Nicolas
2006-Oct-26, 05:36 PM
His severe injury reduced him to a "child-like state"

So it was all just to have an excuse... ;)


Seriously though, that child-like state was a step he had to go through when recovering from the coma to his current, normal state? Or how do I need to interpret this?

PhantomWolf
2006-Oct-27, 02:09 AM
His severe injury reduced him to a "child-like state"

Just as well it wasn't Jeremy, no one would have noticed any difference.

Roy Batty
2006-Oct-27, 11:00 PM
Heh heh :D

Trebuchet
2006-Oct-27, 11:14 PM
Let Michael Palin know just what a pratt he is! (http://www.petitiononline.com/tg100/petition.html)

You've lost me here. What does Palin have to do with it?

ciderman
2006-Dec-28, 05:16 PM
Back on the blacktop.:)
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/nav?page=motorcyclenews.articles.articleCategory.a rticle&resourceId=6209601&articleCategory=NEWS_OTHER-NEWS

captain swoop
2007-Jan-02, 12:33 AM
He was on the Jonathan Ross show just before Xmas looking fit and well, Top Gear is back later in Jan.

It made a roundup of the years TV highlights twice last night they showed the Mini on a Ski Jump from their Winter Olympics special and the caravasn Holiday fire

zebo-the-fat
2007-Jan-30, 10:55 PM
Saw him on Top Gear on Sunday, looking well (if rather tired around the face). The film of the crash was amazing, 0.4 sec. from the tyre starting to fail until the actual crash, still travelling at over 200 mph when it was rolling over the grass. Lucky, lucky *******! :clap:

BigDon
2007-Jan-30, 11:01 PM
Thanks for the update Zebo.

Nicolas
2007-Jan-31, 10:01 AM
Having such a crash, surviving the impact, and then still nearly suffocating due to the dirt in your helmet, that would have been really miserable.

Did he shut down the engine? I didn't see the chute.

Jakenorrish
2007-Jan-31, 12:47 PM
The crash was interesting, but the rest of the show was very dull compared to previous series. The road surfacing bit was poor in the extreme. I know TG stages certain things during their challenges to make them either funnier or less tedious, but this one was the limit. All of the stuff about them shutting down the quarry. Codswallop. As if.

BigDon
2007-Feb-01, 07:09 AM
Codswallop?

sarongsong
2007-Feb-01, 09:26 AM
...The film of the crash was amazing...still traveling at over 200 mph when it was rolling over the grass...YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLXIGUhU8bU) 00:49
Yikes! Who decided to do a high-speed run on what looked like a narrow country road? Not exactly Bonneville (http://www.roadsters.com/bon3.jpg).

jumbo
2007-Feb-01, 10:03 AM
It was an airfield so not too narrow. Its common to do the runs on such surfaces. It wsa in terms of the land speed record a low speed run but high speed for the UK based runs. Even on the bonneville salt flats (not used any more for the serious runs as they are too small and not entirely suitable) the crash could have happened as the car got very sideways.

The owner of the car is now trying to blame Hammond for not avoiding the accident and continuing the run after the tyre went.

Erm the tyre blew and there was 0.4 seconds until the accident was well well underway. Nothing Hammond could have done in that time would have avoided it.

You just have to read the US Navy safety magazine Approach to read how serious a blown tyre at speed is. There are cases there of guys who lose a tyre at only 135 knots having to eject because the plane will roll over imminently. I think the owner is either trying something insurance related or is trying to ensure theres no legal comeback on him. If the tyre went on the run the accident was bound to happen. If the tyre was damaged and they knew about it the people organising the run are negligent. either way Hammond isnt responsible for the accident. His 'Driving god' status shouldnt be diminished! :)

Nicolas
2007-Feb-01, 05:07 PM
Look, if Hammond had known the tyre was coming off, he would have reacted. He didn't react, hence he didn't know it. Hence he can't be blamed.

Come on guys, it's not like he wanted to do a powerslide with it and hit a pole while doing so.

Besides, it wasn't that clear the wheel was coming off, even from the camera pov. In formula one, sometimes wheels degrade much slower and clearer. That's another story.

JohnD
2007-Feb-01, 07:45 PM
Some interesting observations from friends in the know.

This was not a 'Record Attempt', say British Land Speed.
If it had been a record attempt than the authorities that supervise such would have insisted on appropriate rescue and medical units being on site.
But because it wasn't, they didn't and they weren't.
The facilities available were less than a club circuit race or rally forest stage would have.
There were only first aiders on site.
The crew had to call for an NHS ambulance.
Not sure about fire brigade to dig him out.


Don't you think that the BBC, or his producer, should have realised that land speed record speeds demand land speed record facilities, even if they are not statutory? Hammond is indeed a lucky man, but not in his associates.

John

jumbo
2007-Feb-02, 12:52 AM
Look, if Hammond had known the tyre was coming off, he would have reacted. He didn't react, hence he didn't know it. Hence he can't be blamed.

Come on guys, it's not like he wanted to do a powerslide with it and hit a pole while doing so.

Besides, it wasn't that clear the wheel was coming off, even from the camera pov. In formula one, sometimes wheels degrade much slower and clearer. That's another story.
Exactly.
Lets say he had superhuman reactions and could have done something..what are his options. Wheel brakes would be precious little use at that speed. Steering would likely not catch it and even with proper application of full lock immediatly i think youd lose control. That leaves 2 options: 1) the parachutes. By the time they deploy you are going sideways into an accident anyway or 2) Ride it out and hope you survive.
Hammond ended up doing option 2 by default just like anyone would have however skilled they are once something goes that badly wrong. Minor problems can be corrected but something that major and you have no chance. This is also one of the reasons the truly fast cars have no tyres.

It definitely wasnt a land speed record attempt as all the runs appeared to be in one direction which would disqualify any record set straight away. You have to go both ways and do it within 1 hour. The 1 hour rule disqualified Thrusts first pair of 700 mph runs frombeing a record.

Hammond was just trying to go quite fast in a car that eventually suffered mechanical failure that he was lucky enough to survive.

Nicolas
2007-Feb-02, 01:45 AM
I wonder just how deep his head was dug into the ground. Doesn't sound like a healthy thing to happen to your head.

He does look a lot older now.


This is also one of the reasons the truly fast cars have no tyres.

Another reason is the centrifugal force at extreme speeds making any wheel not made ot of a single, solid piece very hard to construct.

jumbo
2007-Feb-02, 03:06 AM
He does look older but i wonder if its just that he lost weight whilst being treated or something.

I hadnt considered the force on the wheels. Im sure such a wheel would be hard to construct as you say. what i had read was the major issue was heating casuing the entire wheel to expand up to 10% at top speeds.

sarongsong
2007-Feb-02, 03:35 AM
'Fawlty Tyres'?

Nicolas
2007-Feb-02, 09:01 AM
Heat would also be an issue, but the way I read it the forces were the main problem. I don't know anything more about it, so we may both be right. Anyway in this motocycle speed records, the tyre has quite a different shape when standing still compared to full speed. Quite abit higher and thinner at full speed :).

Dr Nigel
2007-Feb-02, 10:08 AM
You are right that wheels are an issue. According to a documentary I watched a few years ago, Thrust SSC was not fit for more runs after it made its successful record attempt. This was purely because of the state of the wheels (and they were of one-piece construction).

And, the car in which Hammond had his accident is the holder of the current British Land Speed record, so I think its owners probably did know what they were doing. In terms of what first aid and rescue facilities were available on site, I would want to know a lot more detail before making any judgements.

captain swoop
2007-Feb-02, 04:10 PM
As for the road repair thing, I think they were playing it safe. Good review of the new Jag though.

ciderman
2007-Feb-12, 09:30 PM
Next week looks good

A specially-converted Reliant Robin - the make of van made famous by Del Boy in Only Fools and Horses - was given a Space Shuttle-style facelift.

Then it was strapped to an 88ft rocket assembly and blasted into the sky
from
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/235/235826_reliant_robin_goes_a_rocket.html
:lol:

there's a better pic here http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/show/nextepisode.shtml but I guess that'll have the usuall unavailabilty problems if you're not in the UK. Despite being the lightest I would think they didn't get the hamster to drive this time.;)
(I've stuck this in here as wasn't sure it required a new thread, plus.. ),
Big Don, codswallop = nonsense/garbage.

captain swoop
2007-Feb-12, 10:51 PM
This weeks USA special was the funniest thing ever

jumbo
2007-Feb-12, 11:13 PM
I was in tears watching it. Cows on cars, alligators at the end of drag races and that shower in the car. It may have been cooling but i dont think ill be buying one!

captain swoop
2007-Feb-14, 11:42 PM
Well, they did have slogans about NASCAR 'Sucking', 'Man Love' and such painted on their cars.

Don't forget 'Big Stig'!!