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Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-06, 02:00 PM
An Older Simpler Untidy Universe

The theory of a big bang and a fourth dimensional universe that canít be observed has a problem with way too many holes in it. To justify the holes science needs a new theory for holes. This one looks at another type of void, null space. Science relies on theory and discovery, fact and proof. So itís Big Bang, a singularity vs. Null Space.

If a four dimensional effect was possible why not accelerate an electron to a quantum bang and measure its fourth dimensional expansion. Surely there is more power in a simple car battery than would be needed for an electron to go fourth dimensional.

The truth is larger than a singularity and smaller than an infinite deity with all due respect to both. Energy flow is a function of time even a lightning flash has a time frame. Then it stands to reason that a singularity having no time frame and needing to act outside the physical laws of energy does not exist. An alternate theory is that very large bursts of energy happened over a longer time frame and are still happening to energize the universe and provide the matter we consist of.

Thatís right still happening meaning the universe is dynamic and still evolving. Evidence of this would be in the form of gigantic bursts of energy in the upper energy band widths. Such activity has already been recorded with the calculated output measuring more than all the energy that all the stars in a galaxy will ever generate.

Where is this energy coming from and what is is its source? Clearly we and our surroundings must be the energy source being made of matter and heat. So where is the link between our present universe and this new energy? The conduit would need to be all around us and connect space and time. As we havenít found it yet where should we look? The answer is all around us in null space and can be found in a true vacuum.

In a true vacuum with almost no energy the laws of physics are obeyed but may act differently. We have at three to four degrees background heat which compared to zero is a vast quantity. Four degrees in an air conditioned room is the difference between cool and warm or warm and hot, so it is a significant amount. What if in a true vacuum at nil temperature we could access that conduit.

The test would be if light traveled through a vacuum tube at zero temperature in less time than light in a normal vacuum. This would indicate in true empty cold space the forces that hold reality apart are weaker and light traveling a the same speed is skipping distance because its speed must be the same, the speed of light.

This would indicate that if energy could pass through a null space and if null space could be present in a tube it is potentially present in all places of the universe. The link to all matter and the conduit of energy transfer fuelling the regeneration of the universe could be all around us now. It would be almost imperceptible at any given point but if it could contain and conduct even minute amounts of energy in the vast dark regions of space the accumulated result would be explosive.

Michael Noonan

Descriptions of Null Space

Null space is a hard concept because it resembles a vacuum but it is almost a totally cold vacuum. In null space all matter on one side would be apparently connected to all the matter on the other side. Distance could not exist in null space although null space would exist underneath real space expanding elastically to surround it.

If you had a box of null space and put a knitting needle in one side it would appear to immediately exit the other side as if there was no gap. Null space would not be able to hold matter, but it may be able support a very low energy level.

Our universe is largely held together by gravity and has a fairly even heat so even in the most remote regions of space there is energy. On average there are four degrees of heat energy in the way of residual heat. That very even heat may not be the residue of the big bang but may be the result of a very, very long running oven from many trillions of years of dynamic running.

Heat from a singularity would be very even and yet the evidence is that the universe resembles more a Swiss cheese as if it had taken much longer to evolve. This may be because it did evolve over a much longer time frame. Some constellations appear to be far more advanced formations than the 13.7 billion years of time in the universe would allow. Is that because they are older than that?

A singularity that can only obey the physical laws of the universe once it is the size of a grapefruit should only be a shell of a bubble of quantum thinness whether it was solid at grapefruit size or hollow. This is because the centre would catch the outer edge in nil time as the outer edge slowed down to obey the laws of physics. Once it was acting within physical laws it would allow energy flow within itself and produce a fairly even ball of energy. The observation of substantial fragmentation suggests there is a problem with this theory due to a lack of evenness in the universe, evidence of large holes and massive linked structures.

In null space where distance is lost energy accumulates in a smaller area to the point where there would be a time related burst. It would leave low level energy edges that would not look like a hole because the universe has contracted. In addition to the area of the burst having extreme energy output matter may be formed into new galaxies if the energy achieved sufficient heat and density.

The difficulty of creating a null space testing chamber in the high density regions that we inhabit is that there are lots of neutrinos. Neutrinos are things that stars give off that pass harmlessly through all of us at any moment in time. Mostly they donít react with other matter and at any given time there are over six hundred in the average human body but they may hamper the formation of pockets of null space.

The real dynamic is the link between gravity and null space given that even light canít escape a black hole and yet gravity can. The collapse of distance into an energy burst would be accompanied by a gravity wave only if there was an interaction either through or around the null space region that caused gravity to change.

Michael Noonan


Null Space an Energy Conduit
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What is null space?
It is simply an elastic platform that all of our time and space sit on.
How do we find it?
Create a perfect vacuum at zero degrees Kelvin in a large enough empty space.
How do we measure it?
Light will pass from one side to the other without travelling through it.
What does this mean?
Light will appear to arrive at its target faster than light can travel.
So why is this important?
If it can transfer even minute amounts of energy all of space time is connected.

1. First this will enable a new theory of cosmology.
2. Then it explains why black holes can dissolve.
3. It gives a conduit for pair bonded electrons to share information.
4. Galactic travel paths must be reconsidered for safety.
5. All astronomical distances need to be recalculated.
6. The universe is not expanding it is dynamic and cyclical.
7. Massive energy bursts will continue to be recorded in the upper band widths
8. New galaxies will be formed in the coldest emptiest regions of space
9. The universe exists in three dimensions because there was no single measurable one big bang.
10. The age of the universe will need to be reassessed.
11. Wormhole entrances could have different energy levels in other parts of the universe.
12. Instantaneous travel between separate points would be possible by building a Null Space Tunnel.
13. The source of dark energy comes from within the universe as well as from the edges.
14. The weight and composition of the universe needs to be recalculated.
15. Null Space quantum engineering will change the way electronic circuitry is designed.
16. The range of potential pre-universe beginnings is increased.
17. This could impact the way the universe may or may not end.
18. There may be other differently charged systems we could run into.
19. Is the force of gravity effective in null space or does gravity act around but not through it?
20. Time may not and probably does not exist in Null Space.
21. If so what are the impacts of this?

These are hopefully just some of the questions that could be asked, if not answered if we do indeed exist on a Null Space platform.

Michael Noonan.



Null Space ďe = mc2 = eĒ Beginnings and Endings


So letís look at gravity and begin at the end. The overall gravity of the universe holds us together and it is thought as we drift apart that in time even molecules will be larger in size than our present day galaxies. However where there are local gravity zones such as within a galaxy, especially one with a black hole at the centre. We would experience local gravity being on the surface of a planet.

So is overall universe gravity the dominant force or are we more affected by local gravity zones? This means would a planet greatly change in relation to future size as compared to today because overall universe gravity is so dominant or would our local gravity well keep things fairly similar.

At the end of our universe time and space are stretched longer and larger than by comparison to todayís universe and heat energy is spread over a much bigger area. This means we are approaching closer to zero energy in places, the very conditions needed for null space to form. The collapse happens as a maximum at the speed of light relative to the current space time of the universe. This may happen over millennia in many places until there is enough joined matter at a great enough collected energy level to burst back into space time dimension again.

So if we observed structures over a period of time if may appear that they are accelerating away from each other but on later observations appear to have moved closer together forming large structures. The observable bursts would show space being constantly blown apart forming large empty regions. The non observable null space regions developing are only apparent with observation over a fitting time frame.

If we consider null space to be like clouds, in a rupture could the clouds also experience shattering and be separated? If two joined at the same energy level there would be virtually no discharge as both instantly experience the same energy gradient through all regions of both clouds. If their energy level was different the energy is still instantly balanced but may be enough to form a rupture through both entire clouds to form a single energy burst or combine uniformly.

The power of a burst may tear through matter caught in it smashing it to dust or it may push enough energy through it to convert it to heat and light. So energy is at the high end and then it forms matter as it cools, then cools further and looses position in space time and recombines at high energy.

So is the equation ďe = mc2 = eď?

So many possibilities, so the universe may be older simpler messy cyclical and strangely elastic.

Michael Noonan




The Interaction of Null Space and the Universe


The structure of null space would only be able to be tested in laboratory conditions due to the nature of the interaction with real space.

In real space the way null space would form would give the appearance of continual collapsing or folding in at a point. Any matter within the area collapsing would be exist at the edge so it would look as if all matter in the zone around the null space was moving together towards a point.

As space time moves together the gravity potential that existed at that point would increase because the entire universe is moving closer at the point of null space.

The process of forming null space at a point would reach a critical point when the real space around it had an energy level greater than the null space formation threshold.

It is the speed of the null space formation and development to critical point that will have the greatest effect on the rest of the universe. If it is slow taking seconds, hours, weeks or millennia the transition is smooth and only noticeable by changes observed over time.

I am guessing that the change starts gradually and then accelerates rapidly until the point of null point threshold and at that instant the hole closes. The kinetic energy released is due to the potential gravity of the universe adjusting to a sudden stop in the folding or loss of space.

A large enough stop should produce a gravity wave.


Michael Noonan


















Acknowledgements

This idea of null space has been a result of many years of thought, observation and recollection of articles read, programs watched and patient friends pestered for information and ideas. This section is to absolve them of all guilt for my conclusions.

The start was an observation as an eight year old that lightening takes time to discharge. This happened on a gravel road some forty feet ahead of me and took some seconds after which the stones were still hissing and jumping as the energy discharged

Whether null space was conceived from beginnings or endings is now unclear, just that the start of its evolution was from a lightening bolt.

I think I should thank those who said to go away and think about it as opposed to those who also rolled their eyes and just told me to go away. Many thanks go to my long suffering brother Philip as I asked questions and tested many of my thoughts on him. To My brothers Richard and Adrian as they both listened patiently and asked many questions of me and of the practicality and stability of a null space tunnel amongst other things. To David Stone who is unfailing in his encouragement to write up the idea and for his unfailing interest.

To my Christian friends especially Andrew who offered guidance in case this theory caused any change to the way the dynamics of the universe relating to overall energy, time frame and weight that might need to be looked at by the church.

Thanks to the print and electronic media for coming up with enough interesting views, information and ideas to present a challenge to be tackled.

I simply donít have the math to break this down to neat calculations and will rely heavily on those far more gifted to take the running if this idea has any legs.

Michael Noonan

czeslaw
2006-Oct-06, 09:26 PM
Hi Michael
Is your Null space something like Zero point Energy ?
http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-07, 01:31 AM
Thanks czeslaw
I will continue to read up on zero point energy the power density suggests that a null space platform would highly unstable and microscopic in size and time. Perhaps back to the drawing board?

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-07, 07:35 AM
If null space was to work it would need to operate at very low energy levels. Perhaps in null space where distance is virtually non existant then a measure of frequency which has wavelength as one of its components would be vastly reduced. Then null space could act as a low energy conduit.

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-25, 02:15 PM
I have been reading on this site for a few weeks now.
I have thoroughly enjoyed this well informed forum.

To say that Null Space as a galaxy size energy vortex
is not quite what I believe now. Suprisingly many of the
ideas still work.

Substitute worm hole like structures once formed by
translocation of singularity for similar effect.
Ultimately I think this is so far my best statement:-

"So if we observed structures over a period of time if may appear that they are accelerating away from each other but on later observations appear to have moved closer together forming large structures."

Like the dinosaur I am I gravitated back to the area I started at.
Now to try and learn about GR.

RussT
2006-Oct-25, 10:31 PM
[Now to try and learn about GR.]

Yes, this is the key, as you have partially seen in our other thread.

In GR, if you are in for a pound, you MUST be in for the dollar, because ultimately GR winds up being about the extremes...Massive Black Holes and the Singularities.

But the trick to figuring out the whole puzzle, that is, how the Universe works as a whole, is not starting with the whole universe.

Why, because it is impossible to be able to figure out how the Darkness works
until you 'know' how the Baryonic Matter gets here, or equivently, how the Light gets here.

So, for me personally, the search started with... "How does the Matter get here"...Not with how did the universe start!!!

Once you see that there can be an equivilent nucleoynthesis event comparable to BB, that is High energy GeV,Tev Radiation Burst (Naked Singualrity)>Cooling to form
Electrons, and Protons>Dark Era and , more cooling to form Hydrogen/Helium>Dark Matter Galaxy, rotating HI waiting to start star formation> BCD>LSB>HSB...

Then you can begin figuring out the Darkness, and the universe as a whole.

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-26, 05:19 AM
Thank you so much indeed RussT.

This is what RussT helped me with.
I have no idea about the big bang but certainly see a bit more clearly where galaxies are going.

It is likely is that there is spatial thinning happening but occurring where it is least expected. The universe effectively removes matter from within galaxies.

If a singularity translocates by making use of the wormhole effect to leave the event horizon and relocate elsewhere the most likely link is back to the point of origin.

This means there is a singularity with an event horizon potentially in two places linked by a wormhole. This makes more sense as a wormhole is a transient structure that requires huge energy to open even a small aperture.

How big would a wormhole need to be? Maybe only thread size.
Would it stay open with the singularity fixed at one end only?
If it did and the singularity translocated again could there be a three or more point link to one or more wormholes?

There is a huge expenditure of energy to maintain the link, where does it go?
Perhaps it energises all of space time evenly, our eleventh dimension.
Barely noticeable within galaxies but it would radically change values in voids.

As for a source of GRB what would happen if a wormhole burst or disconnected at one end?
Perhaps a GRB discharge within our galaxy from a translocated black hole in its new galaxy.

So the solution is to charge the whole of creation and take it back in from many connected wormholes.

The singularities or their wormhole links in galaxies we see with an event horizon.
Those in deep space just draw in all around them, similar effect to
null space, just this looks like it could work.

Cheers

Thanatos
2006-Oct-26, 06:30 AM
The concept of a 'free lunch' universe [something from nothing] is certainly disturbing. It violates just about every logical construct short of 'creationism' [which many also find repulsive]. The observational evidence is both confounding and paradoxical no matter what model you attempt to apply. The BB model seems to be the 'best fit' solution, albeit has warts.

The cyclical universe is the most aesthetically appealing model. It avoids the need to explain a 'beginning', but, unfortunately, does not guarantee resurrection after each cycle. Advocating the infinite universe model is not unlike being appointed public defender for 'The Miracle on 49th Street' trial. The BB model is like the cockroach - repulsive, but hardy.

RussT
2006-Oct-26, 09:13 AM
Thank you so much indeed RussT.

You are very welcome indeed!

But you have to be very careful how you switch thinks up!

For instance...


It is likely is that there is spatial thinning happening but occurring where it is least expected. The universe effectively removes matter from within galaxies.

[It is likely is that there is spatial thinning happening]

As far as I can tell, there should be no 'thinning', no diluting, "OF SPACE" by either Matter or DM going into the black holes or by space expanding in the voids.



If a singularity translocates by making use of the wormhole effect to leave the event horizon and relocate elsewhere the most likely link is back to the point of origin.

SORRY, no the singularity is not translocating!

From my GR and the Universe thread...So far I have only described where the [ 'Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter'] is 'flowing', 'leaking' "IN"...it is coming "IN" at all the Voids and therfore expanding 'space' inbetween the galaxy clusters.



This means there is a singularity with an event horizon potentially in two places linked by a wormhole. This makes more sense as a wormhole is a transient structure that requires huge energy to open even a small aperture.

Not quite.



I have NOT yet described the 'flow' 'out'...Only the flow in, which is...[ 'Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter'] is 'flowing', 'leaking' "IN"...

But NO, Nothing can go out through the 'same' tubes in which it is coming in!

However, it can go out through the same 'KIND" of tubes.


Quote:
Originally Posted by MN
Micro vacuum cleaners "Sadies" on a cosmic scale

This goes back to your...Originally Posted by MN
Even if just existed on a quantum level one end would be larger
than the other.

Sure, the event horizon down to the singularity inside...

So the Micro would be the... ['Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter'] is 'flowing', 'leaking' "IN" (through the 'white hole')... at the Voids, and making our 'space'

And the Macro would be...all our baryonic matter crosing the event horizon of the MAssive Black Holes and going "OUT"!

And these wormholes are Einstein-Rosen Bridges!

[How big would a wormhole need to be? Maybe only thread size.]

Actually Planck size, coming right off of the ring singularity in the Massive Black Holes.



Would it stay open with the singularity fixed at one end only?

2 things here. First, yes the worm hole does stay open, it is an
Einstein-Rosen Bridge. That is how 'space' is continually being added to the voids.
Second, the only place the singularity is 'fixed', is in the 'bottom', 'center' 'depths' of the Massive Black Holes, which the worm hole is attached to, which sends the ['Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter'] 'space', out of the universe it is in and makes the 'space' for the universe level above or below it.
So 'our' Massive Black Holes send our baryonic matter, through the singularity and then through the worm hole to the universe level below ours.
And, the Massive Black Holes in the Universe level 'above' ours, sends us, 'our' 'space'.



As for a source of GRB what would happen if a wormhole burst or disconnected at one end?
Perhaps a GRB discharge within our galaxy from a translocated black hole in its new galaxy.

Again Michael, you have to be soooo careful about changing things up, because they just won't be consistent.

Our 'space' is made up of ['Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter'], all of our space is a gravity field travelling at 'C'.

Now, the word singularity is just a placeholder, a name, for 'what is really happening there'! So, once we know the event that is happening there, the singularity really goes away, and we can just say the event, which is the singularity.

So, when 'our' 'space', which is pure gravity that does not interact with baryonic matter, is 'leaking in', in the middle of different Voids, it causes these gravity fields from the different Voids to 'meet', and with angular momentum causes a GRB (singularity), which makes a Massive Black Hole (size depends on the duration time of the GRB), and spews Gamma Radiation, that when it cools makes the electrons and protons (which get their mass from the ['Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter']). which then makes the Hydrogen and Helium to start star formation sometime in the future.

So the answer to Cougar's Bartender of how the universe works would simply be...

The Singularities in Massive Black Holes make the Darkness (Gravity and "Space") and the GRB's(singularities) make the Light, the Galaxies (the stars, planets and stuff) (The Energy and the 3 forces: EM, Strong and Weak Nuclear).

And of course, all of this is in a universe that is operating, according to the Laws of Thermodynamics of "AN OPEN SYSTEM"!!!

RussT
2006-Oct-26, 10:05 AM
The concept of a 'free lunch' universe [something from nothing] is certainly disturbing. It violates just about every logical construct short of 'creationism' [which many also find repulsive]. The observational evidence is both confounding and paradoxical no matter what model you attempt to apply. The BB model seems to be the 'best fit' solution, albeit has warts.

The cyclical universe is the most aesthetically appealing model. It avoids the need to explain a 'beginning', but, unfortunately, does not guarantee resurrection after each cycle. Advocating the infinite universe model is not unlike being appointed public defender for 'The Miracle on 49th Street' trial. The BB model is like the cockroach - repulsive, but hardy.

This reminds me about a post that you made in another section. AAh, I'll go find it and then 'maybe' we can explore your post here a little.

Ah, here it is.


Errors on all sides of the issue at hand are evident to me. We have all mixed observational evidence and preconceived notions in the same pot without producing meaningful results. Perhaps we have collectively missed the boat, putting us in the same boat as the 'experts'. Let's try thinking outside the box and let the chips fall where they may. In many respects, I believe we can argue the issues more fairly than the hard nosed skeptics v maverick's.

On some level you must have thought this had some validity.

Anyway. let's start here...[The concept of a 'free lunch' universe [something from nothing] is certainly disturbing.]

If it can be explained, where it comes from, what it is, how it is made, and how it is a 'physical' part of the structure of our universe(s), then it is NOT a 'free lunch' or something from nothing.



The cyclical universe is the most aesthetically appealing model. It avoids the need to explain a 'beginning', but, unfortunately, does not guarantee resurrection after each cycle.

I agree.



Advocating the infinite universe model is not unlike being appointed public defender for 'The Miracle on 49th Street' trial.

Again, I agree. And this is where the non-explanation of the 'beginning' becomes a major problem.



It violates just about every logical construct

Let's talk about this and the Laws of Thermodynamics.

For 100 + years and with the advent of the Big Bang Theory, how the universe works, has been explored applying the Laws of Thermodynamics in a Closed System. The BBT says that everything that is contained in the universe was created at T= (choose a starting time), and maintains that all the laws of Thermodynamics MUST be applied accordingly.

BUT, what "IF" the Universe is operating according to the Laws of Thermodynamics of an open system???

What if this statement... [Perhaps we have collectively missed the boat, putting us in the same boat as the 'experts'.]...really does apply?

And what IF we really did this... [Let's try thinking outside the box and let the chips fall where they may.]

If it could be shown...how baryonic matter is being created inside our 'space', and how the universe could be operating in an Open System, would that be at least worth exploring???

And then it could be shown how...

Massive Black Holes are created
How Galaxies really do form and evolve
How GR and QFT can be Unified
How 'space' gets here and what DM is

It would still leave a whole lot of questions to be answered, but it would also answer some of the biggest questions in cosmology today.

Shouldn't it at least be explored???

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-26, 11:44 AM
Certainly this system looks exactly like a self propagating
loop with all ends connected.

If it has any dynamics it would only be like a pulse.
By looking at this it assumes no beginning and no end.
Great I have successfully taken us back 100 years.

From this I have no idea of how to kick start it nor
for that matter how to end it.

This is definitely not an open system, at best it is a bumpy one.

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-26, 12:55 PM
The problem I see is like trying to fill one bucket
with the contents of another equal size bucket.

The BB orb that appears at the size of a grapefruit
is like emptying one bucket in a single dump into
the second.

It is convenient because the ratio of grapefruit to
exanded universe at 130,000 years is approx 1:10^^23.

It allows a range of frequencies down to 10^^ -20
if Planck's 10^^ -43 is the lowest limit of wavelength.

At the quantum level no part is expected to be calculated
back to less than 10^^ -10 metres so that you get a
fairly even universe and not something like a fishnet.

What if the first bucket was emptied into the second in a
controlled pouring action call it a jet.

While zero point energy would detonate the universe in
microseconds with an energy potential in magnitude
order 10^^120.

What if it couldn't exist beyond quantum size. So no cubic
size no detonation. How long would it take to pour enough
into our dimension until the first bucket was empty or the
back pressure caused balance and stopped the flow.

OK so the BB is like putting a detonator in an indestructible
balloon. Bang it goes up and then the elasticity of the balloon
pulls it all together again.

How about the jet of 'energy' is more like spinning a wheel.
It takes longer then goes around for ages before stopping.
After all proton death is some 120 trillion years.

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-26, 01:42 PM
I appologise for taking us back to the pre bang universe,
but this is my last effort.


A stucture that I know exists is the wormhole.
Formed between charged plates in vacuum.

Even though they have zero length they have the potential to connect
two different points. So two ends, why not two ways to activate.

The first create a charge sufficient to open an end by inflating it.
The second have the outside potential at such a low level that it opens
by being pulled open.

That is a high charge and a low charge method of opening a wormhole.
What if our pre universe was of such low potential that quantum level
wormholes were sucked open. As space expanded slowly more
room for more wormholes was available and our universe leaked into
existance until balance was achieved.

Perhaps the void had the charge to be the active end of the void end of
the wormhole and at a point the potential energy stopped the formation
of more wormholes. When balance was achieved the flow stopped.

The wormholes responsible for slowly siphoning us into existance
collapse when we are close in charge to the void.

RussT
2006-Oct-26, 11:47 PM
Certainly this system looks exactly like a self propagating
loop with all ends connected.

If it has any dynamics it would only be like a pulse.
By looking at this it assumes no beginning and no end.
Great I have successfully taken us back 100 years.

From this I have no idea of how to kick start it nor
for that matter how to end it.

This is definitely not an open system, at best it is a bumpy one.

Michael, You did not fall into a trap!!!


[Certainly this system looks exactly like a self propagating
loop with all ends connected.]

NO, not all ends are connected.

You simply do not understand Einstein-Rosen bridges, Massive Black Hole, or Singularity structure well enough yet.

The 'leaking' into our Universe of the ['Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter'], 'space', is from the Massive Black Holes from "The Universe Level *ABOVE* Ours", that leaks it into our *Voids*....SO where it is leaking IN is NOT connected to 'Our" Massive black Holes where it is "LEAKING OUT"!!!

RussT
2006-Oct-26, 11:58 PM
[A stucture that I know exists is the wormhole.
Formed between charged plates in vacuum.]

This is an Einstein-Rosen Bridge and the only way to form one of these, is...

A Naked Singularity creating a Massive Black Hole (A Cosmic Black Hole), which is the only thing powerful enough...to keep (Continually) *Tunnelling* through the Fabric of Space/Time...down to the universe level below!

Thanatos
2006-Oct-27, 06:14 AM
Do we all agree insidious and pervasive traps abound in all models?

RussT
2006-Oct-27, 07:21 AM
Do we all agree insidious and pervasive traps abound in all models?

I already show him where he was trapped in his own mind.

I also showed him how changing things up, would make things very inconsistent, and actually cause his own traps!

RussT
2006-Oct-27, 07:23 AM
This reminds me about a post that you made in another section. AAh, I'll go find it and then 'maybe' we can explore your post here a little.

Ah, here it is.


On some level you must have thought this had some validity.

Anyway. let's start here...[The concept of a 'free lunch' universe [something from nothing] is certainly disturbing.]

If it can be explained, where it comes from, what it is, how it is made, and how it is a 'physical' part of the structure of our universe(s), then it is NOT a 'free lunch' or something from nothing.



I agree.



Again, I agree. And this is where the non-explanation of the 'beginning' becomes a major problem.



Let's talk about this and the Laws of Thermodynamics.

For 100 + years and with the advent of the Big Bang Theory, how the universe works, has been explored applying the Laws of Thermodynamics in a Closed System. The BBT says that everything that is contained in the universe was created at T= (choose a starting time), and maintains that all the laws of Thermodynamics MUST be applied accordingly.

BUT, what "IF" the Universe is operating according to the Laws of Thermodynamics of an open system???

What if this statement... [Perhaps we have collectively missed the boat, putting us in the same boat as the 'experts'.]...really does apply?

And what IF we really did this... [Let's try thinking outside the box and let the chips fall where they may.]

If it could be shown...how baryonic matter is being created inside our 'space', and how the universe could be operating in an Open System, would that be at least worth exploring???

And then it could be shown how...

Massive Black Holes are created
How Galaxies really do form and evolve
How GR and QFT can be Unified
How 'space' gets here and what DM is

It would still leave a whole lot of questions to be answered, but it would also answer some of the biggest questions in cosmology today.

Shouldn't it at least be explored???

But, it appears you didn't scroll high enough, and missed this...or did you (miss it I mean)?

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-27, 03:34 PM
Learning on the run is no easy, I have a long way to go before
I could begin to understand how complex this is.

I have been reading about wormholes and they are very transient
and extremely unstable. So it would be a challenge to build one.

looking at the models it is hard to tell if we are in something like
a restraunt plate stacker. Open universe forever getting lighter
as the matter disappears down a level.

In this case similarity is not relevant as all connection through
level drop could radically alter the delivery of material through
the black hole.

Devoid of matter at the top it seems the plate stacker continually
brings up new plates. The connection might just gently disperse
all the matter collected by the singularity over a huge area one level
down causing large charged voids and pushing the next universe
to clumpiness.

The to go up a level we would need to expand ourselves out to the
size of the regions of deep space and be prepared to squeeze up
into and out of an event horizon.

If it is closed then it is like a juke box with a taurus of disks
each pointing to the next one along. Jump down the levels far enough
and you would arrive back in your own universe. Squashed and then
dispersed many times or at least twice and back at the start.

Is there a correlation between regular deep space regions and
the number of singularities?

Reading and trying to take in new ideas andthanks for all the help.

RussT
2006-Oct-28, 12:01 AM
http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.php?p=853135&postcount=6

Michael, this post was probably the most important, because as it shows, until you understand 'How the Matter is getting here', it is impossible to figure out how the darkness ('space') is working, and how the Einstein-Rosen bridges can be incorperated into the overall picture!



Learning on the run is no easy, I have a long way to go before
I could begin to understand how complex this is.

This is undoubtedly true!

If I may make a suggestion though. I am not necessarily asking you to 'accept' what I am saying as 'this is the way it must be', but I have spent a year and a half studying, analysing, and dissecting "THE DARKNESS", 'space', all from the perspective that the true Naked Singularities are the High Energy Gamma Radiation Events (GRB's) that are making galaxies one at a time (just as the GRB's are occuring). And "The First Dark Matter Galaxy Found" is the perfect evidence of this (They just don't want to believe that)

So, If this is true, that means that the Big Bang Naked Singularity never existed, and that the Massive Black Holes are producing the universe, 'space', and everything I have been showing you applies, just the way I am showing it.

So the suggestion is...first try and see what I am showing, and then once you can see that, then you can try to apply whatever you think is appropriate to your model(s).


Edit to add;

See, this...[looking at the models it is hard to tell if we are in something like
a restraunt plate stacker. Open universe forever getting lighter
as the matter disappears down a level.]

Simply isn't true. Sure Dark Matter ('space') and baryonic matter are going down the tubes of our massive black holes, BUT 'all' the 'space' coming in from the level above maintains the equlibrium.

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-28, 03:24 AM
If there was a balance of flow through from top to bottom
wouldn't that indicate an equilibrium system.

This would look like the disks in a juke box neatly stacked
next to eachother but slightly angled to allow them to be
stacked in a circle. This would have the overall look of a
doughnut. Although in the fourth dimension shape would
very little meaning and this would only be a representation.

Then each system would feed the other and in time maintain balance.
To kick start this system would need to be a big bang outside
all of the systems flat in shape to start all the almost parrallel
universes in the doughnut shape.

Then if there was any interaction between them it would have
been formed after the big bang. With the big bang forming all
the parrallel universes then it wouldn't be in our time frame.

So the measurable start of our universe could only be from
when we formed at the time of separating from the other parrallel
universes.

Then we started started accumulating matter together and the
links were made.

This brings the question is there only a flow in one direction or can
the links be to the disks on either side. Some singularies may
connect up and others connect down.

It does mean that at the early stages if gravity was an influence
between them the fall off effect will be much larger than we can
explain by looking at our system only just observing that we can't
explain the rate of change of gravity easily.

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-28, 04:03 AM
This universe has the potential to be either open or closed.

The plates start very small and each has their own bang to start them
on their way. The infall is purely the droppings of the universe above.

There is no big bang that gets it all going although the startup works
better if it all gets underway at one time.

This universe in the early stages experiences major infall of the stuff of
singularities from all those above it and takes a while to develop enough
to continue the down stepping.

As it ages it goes through growth until the infall matches the outgoing.
Then it starts to lose mass and continues growing.

So after a bang start then regular rapid growth there is a period of balance
after that comes spatial thinning.
This slows down in time as the plates above it also have less to give.
Unless there is a mechanism to gather the voids after this the universe
floats apart.

The down side is that with each plate formed at the start there must be an
awful shaking of the plates above it.

RussT
2006-Oct-28, 07:29 AM
Michael, you are just guessing and guessing, making assumptions, and then trying to fit things together.



So the measurable start of our universe could only be from
when we formed at the time of separating from the other parrallel
universes.

Let's start from here. (And try not to think parallel universes) think fractal, which means above and below

Pick any one Void (Very large vast areas between galaxy clusters), in 'our' universe that you choose, it doesn't matter which one, because I don't know that we will ever be able to figure out which was the first one here!
(But, there should be a first one here, because I can't see how 'our' universe could have been here forever! The one arguement that convinces me of that, is that we should have found evidence on this planet, of rocks, or something that is wayyyy older than can be accounted for!)

Now, assume that this is the first Einsten-Rosen Bridge into 'our' Universe.

This means that the Massive Black Hole in the universe level *Above Ours* was created and as that galaxies baryonic matter goes through it, as the matter goes through that ringed singularity, it 'makes' ['Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter'] (which is gravity with *NO ENERGY*, that's what *inert* means), 'space'...so 'space' is leaking into that void *Continually* and in vast amount.

So, that is one Voids leaking of 'space' into our universe. Now just continue with more voids (Einstein-Rosen Bridges) leaking 'space', gravity, into 'our' universe.

Add More!

Now we have multiple voids where 'space' gravity is coming together!

Now we can have the ENERGY Gamma Radiation Events, that begin making the Massive Black Holes in 'our' universe. When These GRB Singularities make the Massive Black Holes the are also spewing the Radiation that will become that galaxy.

And all the baryonic matter that goes 'into our' Massive Black Holes goes through to the singularity in our black hole and the Einstein-Rosen Bridge down to the level *Below ours*

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-28, 09:09 AM
Quote bu RussT
So, that is one Voids leaking of 'space' into our universe. Now just continue with more voids (Einstein-Rosen Bridges) leaking 'space', gravity, into 'our' universe.



Oh, maybe the beginning has every right to have its mystery.

By leaking 'space' into our universe which leads us to develop more voids there is a flow on effect.
The universe below us receives what we send through.

If they formed first or are not a development of our forming it points to a definite end
The model is a bit weird now with the universe running backwards and us forwards

Need some time to think on this one

RussT
2006-Oct-28, 09:28 AM
Oh, maybe the beginning has every right to have its mystery.

As I indicated, it is imposible to figure this out by starting with the universe as a whole.

You have to know how our galaxies and Massive black holes are forming first and then go to the Darkness!



By leaking 'space' into our universe which leads us to develop more voids there is a flow on effect.

'Each' of our voids has a massive black hole in the universe level above sending its space to that void, continuously.



The universe below us receives what we send through.

Yes, from our massive black holes*Tunneling* to their voids.

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-28, 04:22 PM
As I indicated, it is imposible to figure this out by starting with the universe as a whole.

You have to know how our galaxies and Massive black holes are forming first and then go to the Darkness!



'Each' of our voids has a massive black hole in the universe level above sending its space to that void, continuously.



Yes, from our massive black holes*Tunneling* to their voids.




It makes a lot of sense to stay within the bounds linked universes above and below. This gives the best chance for expecting them to have similar properties to ours.

The topology of where the universes could go is enormous. Possibly safer to say the end of the universe, not ours has already occured and set up the conditions by which ours had to follow.
This end will occur again leading to the formation of the universes above ours until it is our turn.

If the singularity in event horizon to massive dispersion across void extreme balanced then
could a wormhole at same parameters also link.

Given this it would help if we could contact other intellegence parties within or on either side,
if they existed. The wormhole if constucted outside the influence of a gravity well and calculating
the energy for a standard may be more efficient than hoping for a radio reply.

We are already at an energy level above zero even in total cold vaccuum, so if we built one end
of the wormhole to a standard that may be built by other researchers we might make a contact.

It would need to be on a scale that other parties would explore say the zero adjusted diameter
of a proton. then see if it linked to another contact point either in or out of our universe.
I wish you all the best for your research and thanks for helping me see this piece more clearly.

RussT
2006-Oct-28, 07:01 PM
It makes a lot of sense to stay within the bounds linked universes above and below. This gives the best chance for expecting them to have similar properties to ours.

Yes, it is called Fractal Cosmology. Here is a very good site that covers Fractals. He just doesn't understand yet, that the links to the upper and lower levels, really are the Einstein-Rosen Bridges. (No one thinks these are physical, because of the way the Big Bang starts the universe). I have a very difficult time with the *Infinity* all the up and down the levels though!!!

http://www.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw/oldmenu.html



The topology of where the universes could go is enormous. Possibly safer to say the end of the universe, not ours has already occured and set up the conditions by which ours had to follow.
This end will occur again leading to the formation of the universes above ours until it is our turn.

As I said, as far as I can see there must have been a beginning to 'our' universe! How and where the whole thing started from the levels above, we will probably never know. BUT, from this model there should be no *END*.

Why, because as the universe level above ours, keeps making more galaxies and that galaxies Massive Black Hole and Einstein-Rosen Bridge comes down to us, and as our universe keeps making more galaxies sending stuff down, it is an never ending scenario.

In efffect, each universe level is a perpetual galaxy making machine.



Given this it would help if we could contact other intellegence parties within or on either side,
if they existed. The wormhole if constucted outside the influence of a gravity well and calculating
the energy for a standard may be more efficient than hoping for a radio reply.

I hate to be a stick in the mud here, BUT...NO!

Nothing can ever travel *UP* the Einstein-Rosen Bridges!!!

Anything that was sent down to us would have to come through the Planck Ring of the universe level above us, and would therfore become...['Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter'] 10 ^-35

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-28, 11:19 PM
I hate to be a stick in the mud here, BUT...NO!

Nothing can ever travel *UP* the Einstein-Rosen Bridges!!!

Anything that was sent down to us would have to come through the Planck Ring of the universe level above us, and would therfore become...['Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter'] 10 ^-35

Of course. I was off with variations again, but very comfortable with
this now

Nereid
2006-Oct-29, 12:14 AM
An Older Simpler Untidy Universe

The theory of a big bang and a fourth dimensional universe that canít be observed has a problem with way too many holes in it. To justify the holes science needs a new theory for holes. This one looks at another type of void, null space. Science relies on theory and discovery, fact and proof. So itís Big Bang, a singularity vs. Null Space.

If a four dimensional effect was possible why not accelerate an electron to a quantum bang and measure its fourth dimensional expansion. Surely there is more power in a simple car battery than would be needed for an electron to go fourth dimensional.

The truth is larger than a singularity and smaller than an infinite deity with all due respect to both. Energy flow is a function of time even a lightning flash has a time frame. Then it stands to reason that a singularity having no time frame and needing to act outside the physical laws of energy does not exist. An alternate theory is that very large bursts of energy happened over a longer time frame and are still happening to energize the universe and provide the matter we consist of.

Thatís right still happening meaning the universe is dynamic and still evolving. Evidence of this would be in the form of gigantic bursts of energy in the upper energy band widths. Such activity has already been recorded with the calculated output measuring more than all the energy that all the stars in a galaxy will ever generate.

Where is this energy coming from and what is is its source? Clearly we and our surroundings must be the energy source being made of matter and heat. So where is the link between our present universe and this new energy? The conduit would need to be all around us and connect space and time. As we havenít found it yet where should we look? The answer is all around us in null space and can be found in a true vacuum.

In a true vacuum with almost no energy the laws of physics are obeyed but may act differently. We have at three to four degrees background heat which compared to zero is a vast quantity. Four degrees in an air conditioned room is the difference between cool and warm or warm and hot, so it is a significant amount. What if in a true vacuum at nil temperature we could access that conduit.

The test would be if light traveled through a vacuum tube at zero temperature in less time than light in a normal vacuum. This would indicate in true empty cold space the forces that hold reality apart are weaker and light traveling a the same speed is skipping distance because its speed must be the same, the speed of light.

This would indicate that if energy could pass through a null space and if null space could be present in a tube it is potentially present in all places of the universe. The link to all matter and the conduit of energy transfer fuelling the regeneration of the universe could be all around us now. It would be almost imperceptible at any given point but if it could contain and conduct even minute amounts of energy in the vast dark regions of space the accumulated result would be explosive.

Michael Noonan

Descriptions of Null Space

Null space is a hard concept because it resembles a vacuum but it is almost a totally cold vacuum. In null space all matter on one side would be apparently connected to all the matter on the other side. Distance could not exist in null space although null space would exist underneath real space expanding elastically to surround it.

If you had a box of null space and put a knitting needle in one side it would appear to immediately exit the other side as if there was no gap. Null space would not be able to hold matter, but it may be able support a very low energy level.

Our universe is largely held together by gravity and has a fairly even heat so even in the most remote regions of space there is energy. On average there are four degrees of heat energy in the way of residual heat. That very even heat may not be the residue of the big bang but may be the result of a very, very long running oven from many trillions of years of dynamic running.

Heat from a singularity would be very even and yet the evidence is that the universe resembles more a Swiss cheese as if it had taken much longer to evolve. This may be because it did evolve over a much longer time frame. Some constellations appear to be far more advanced formations than the 13.7 billion years of time in the universe would allow. Is that because they are older than that?

A singularity that can only obey the physical laws of the universe once it is the size of a grapefruit should only be a shell of a bubble of quantum thinness whether it was solid at grapefruit size or hollow. This is because the centre would catch the outer edge in nil time as the outer edge slowed down to obey the laws of physics. Once it was acting within physical laws it would allow energy flow within itself and produce a fairly even ball of energy. The observation of substantial fragmentation suggests there is a problem with this theory due to a lack of evenness in the universe, evidence of large holes and massive linked structures.

In null space where distance is lost energy accumulates in a smaller area to the point where there would be a time related burst. It would leave low level energy edges that would not look like a hole because the universe has contracted. In addition to the area of the burst having extreme energy output matter may be formed into new galaxies if the energy achieved sufficient heat and density.

The difficulty of creating a null space testing chamber in the high density regions that we inhabit is that there are lots of neutrinos. Neutrinos are things that stars give off that pass harmlessly through all of us at any moment in time. Mostly they donít react with other matter and at any given time there are over six hundred in the average human body but they may hamper the formation of pockets of null space.

The real dynamic is the link between gravity and null space given that even light canít escape a black hole and yet gravity can. The collapse of distance into an energy burst would be accompanied by a gravity wave only if there was an interaction either through or around the null space region that caused gravity to change.

Michael Noonan


Null Space an Energy Conduit
*
What is null space?
It is simply an elastic platform that all of our time and space sit on.
How do we find it?
Create a perfect vacuum at zero degrees Kelvin in a large enough empty space.
How do we measure it?
Light will pass from one side to the other without travelling through it.
What does this mean?
Light will appear to arrive at its target faster than light can travel.
So why is this important?
If it can transfer even minute amounts of energy all of space time is connected.

1. First this will enable a new theory of cosmology.
2. Then it explains why black holes can dissolve.
3. It gives a conduit for pair bonded electrons to share information.
4. Galactic travel paths must be reconsidered for safety.
5. All astronomical distances need to be recalculated.
6. The universe is not expanding it is dynamic and cyclical.
7. Massive energy bursts will continue to be recorded in the upper band widths
8. New galaxies will be formed in the coldest emptiest regions of space
9. The universe exists in three dimensions because there was no single measurable one big bang.
10. The age of the universe will need to be reassessed.
11. Wormhole entrances could have different energy levels in other parts of the universe.
12. Instantaneous travel between separate points would be possible by building a Null Space Tunnel.
13. The source of dark energy comes from within the universe as well as from the edges.
14. The weight and composition of the universe needs to be recalculated.
15. Null Space quantum engineering will change the way electronic circuitry is designed.
16. The range of potential pre-universe beginnings is increased.
17. This could impact the way the universe may or may not end.
18. There may be other differently charged systems we could run into.
19. Is the force of gravity effective in null space or does gravity act around but not through it?
20. Time may not and probably does not exist in Null Space.
21. If so what are the impacts of this?

These are hopefully just some of the questions that could be asked, if not answered if we do indeed exist on a Null Space platform.

Michael Noonan.



Null Space ďe = mc2 = eĒ Beginnings and Endings


So letís look at gravity and begin at the end. The overall gravity of the universe holds us together and it is thought as we drift apart that in time even molecules will be larger in size than our present day galaxies. However where there are local gravity zones such as within a galaxy, especially one with a black hole at the centre. We would experience local gravity being on the surface of a planet.

So is overall universe gravity the dominant force or are we more affected by local gravity zones? This means would a planet greatly change in relation to future size as compared to today because overall universe gravity is so dominant or would our local gravity well keep things fairly similar.

At the end of our universe time and space are stretched longer and larger than by comparison to todayís universe and heat energy is spread over a much bigger area. This means we are approaching closer to zero energy in places, the very conditions needed for null space to form. The collapse happens as a maximum at the speed of light relative to the current space time of the universe. This may happen over millennia in many places until there is enough joined matter at a great enough collected energy level to burst back into space time dimension again.

So if we observed structures over a period of time if may appear that they are accelerating away from each other but on later observations appear to have moved closer together forming large structures. The observable bursts would show space being constantly blown apart forming large empty regions. The non observable null space regions developing are only apparent with observation over a fitting time frame.

If we consider null space to be like clouds, in a rupture could the clouds also experience shattering and be separated? If two joined at the same energy level there would be virtually no discharge as both instantly experience the same energy gradient through all regions of both clouds. If their energy level was different the energy is still instantly balanced but may be enough to form a rupture through both entire clouds to form a single energy burst or combine uniformly.

The power of a burst may tear through matter caught in it smashing it to dust or it may push enough energy through it to convert it to heat and light. So energy is at the high end and then it forms matter as it cools, then cools further and looses position in space time and recombines at high energy.

So is the equation ďe = mc2 = eď?

So many possibilities, so the universe may be older simpler messy cyclical and strangely elastic.

Michael Noonan




The Interaction of Null Space and the Universe


The structure of null space would only be able to be tested in laboratory conditions due to the nature of the interaction with real space.

In real space the way null space would form would give the appearance of continual collapsing or folding in at a point. Any matter within the area collapsing would be exist at the edge so it would look as if all matter in the zone around the null space was moving together towards a point.

As space time moves together the gravity potential that existed at that point would increase because the entire universe is moving closer at the point of null space.

The process of forming null space at a point would reach a critical point when the real space around it had an energy level greater than the null space formation threshold.

It is the speed of the null space formation and development to critical point that will have the greatest effect on the rest of the universe. If it is slow taking seconds, hours, weeks or millennia the transition is smooth and only noticeable by changes observed over time.

I am guessing that the change starts gradually and then accelerates rapidly until the point of null point threshold and at that instant the hole closes. The kinetic energy released is due to the potential gravity of the universe adjusting to a sudden stop in the folding or loss of space.

A large enough stop should produce a gravity wave.


Michael Noonan

[snip]

I simply donít have the math to break this down to neat calculations and will rely heavily on those far more gifted to take the running if this idea has any legs.

Michael Noonan(my bold)

Does this idea have any numbers, math, equations and stuff, that you can present?

In what way(s) do(es) the terms in bold differ, in this ATM idea, from the standard definitions that you find in standard textbooks?

Abelian Grape
2006-Oct-29, 12:20 PM
An Older Simpler Untidy Universe

The theory of a big bang and a fourth dimensional universe that canít be observed has a problem with way too many holes in it.
Let's start here, right at the beginning. What are the holes you perceive that your ideas fill, particularly with regard to the big bang?
The four dimensions of space-time in standard physical theory (SR, GR) are three spatial dimensions and time. In what way are these unobservable? We'll ignore for the moment the six or seven additional dimensions posited in some string theories. Are you supposing there is a fourth (orthogonal to the three we observe) space dimension that is accessible to matter? Your comment about accelerating electrons into the fourth dimension using the power of a car battery suggests you didn't mean time as that dimension.
And then the question of numbers and equations. Nereid asks if you have any. I ask further: do these numbers and equations differ in any way from those in mainstream physics? If so, how; if not, how would we validate your ideas?
Can you predict anything that is not part of current theory? A good example would be the masses of elementary particles.

Abelian Grape
2006-Oct-29, 12:45 PM
An Older Simpler Untidy Universe

The theory of a big bang and a fourth dimensional universe that canít be observed has a problem with way too many holes in it.
Let's start here, right at the beginning. What are the holes you perceive that your ideas fill, particularly with regard to the big bang?
The four dimensions of space-time in standard physical theory (SR, GR) are three spatial dimensions and time. In what way are these unobservable? We'll ignore for the moment the six or seven additional dimensions posited in some string theories. Are you supposing there is a fourth (orthogonal to the three we observe) space dimension that is accessible to matter? Your comment about accelerating electrons into the fourth dimension using the power of a car battery suggests you didn't mean time as that dimension.
And then the question of numbers and equations. Nereid asks if you have any. I ask further: do these numbers and equations differ in any way from those in mainstream physics? If so, how; if not, how would we validate your ideas?
Can you predict anything that is not part of current theory? A good example would be the masses of elementary particles.

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-29, 02:12 PM
Let's start here, right at the beginning. What are the holes you perceive that your ideas fill, particularly with regard to the big bang?
The four dimensions of space-time in standard physical theory (SR, GR) are three spatial dimensions and time. In what way are these unobservable? We'll ignore for the moment the six or seven additional dimensions posited in some string theories. Are you supposing there is a fourth (orthogonal to the three we observe) space dimension that is accessible to matter? Your comment about accelerating electrons into the fourth dimension using the power of a car battery suggests you didn't mean time as that dimension.
And then the question of numbers and equations. Nereid asks if you have any. I ask further: do these numbers and equations differ in any way from those in mainstream physics? If so, how; if not, how would we validate your ideas?
Can you predict anything that is not part of current theory? A good example would be the masses of elementary particles.



I am saying that we exist in three dimensions within the bubble of a
singularity that is above our universe.
Due to the effect of gravity in that universe which by connection at all
points to the outer surface in our universe give us an overall flat positive
gravity reading. It is much like the zero energy that clips the bottom of a
waveform when read by an observer who has a higher base energy than
the sender.
The connection that requires a negative energy reading for wormholes
also requires that we experience the equal and opposite pull from the
universe above us.
No big bang, continuous infill of Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter
and all objects that orbit a body beyond a set distance must obey the
same orbit.
I admit I have been learning on the fly and deeply appologise for my multitude
of errors in trying to explain this. But hey not a bad post for a first up.
And yes no dark matter and dark energy as we are connected permanently to
the level above us. Now the mathematical proof is do all bodies obey the
math of the same speed beyond a certain distance. The answer is Yes.

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-29, 03:25 PM
The long winded first link to this thread was the first post.
It does require an underlying zero which it now has so if in
a hundred years there is unexplained loss of void space, please also
consider:-

So if we observed structures over a period of time if may appear that they are accelerating away from each other but on later observations appear to have moved closer together forming large structures. The observable bursts would show space being constantly blown apart forming large empty regions. The non observable null space regions developing are only apparent with observation over a fitting time frame.

trinitree88
2006-Oct-29, 10:39 PM
Michael. With regards to "null" space...there is no such thing as an empty vacuum. It teems with neutrinos and antineutrinos from every star in the universe. With about a million or so galaxies per square degree of sky (Hubble Deep Field, North and South), and with each galaxy with about 100 billion stars (1011)...most of which are emitting neutrinos..you'd be hard pressed to define it as empty, or "null".
If we can see their photons, then we can expect their accompanying neutrinos as well. Let's see...106 times 1011 times square degrees in the sky...that's a few, and all passing through your head and everybody else's to pretty much the same degree..24/7/365..:dance:
SNO only attests to the local star flux. Pete.

RussT
2006-Oct-29, 10:56 PM
The observable bursts would show space being constantly blown apart forming large empty regions.

Michael, you are getting much, much closer to getting this!

But, this statement tells me you are still slightly off on a couple of concepts.

The *Bursts* are not associated with the *Voids*.

The Voids, the large empty regoins are what??? What is 'leaking' in there?

The "Bursts" are what is creating the Massive Black Holes and Galaxies in our universe, and then leaking the matter that goes into ours, down to the level below!

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-29, 10:57 PM
Michael. With regards to "null" space...there is no such thing as an empty vacuum. It teems with neutrinos and antineutrinos from every star in the universe. With about a million or so galaxies per square degree of sky (Hubble Deep Field, North and South), and with each galaxy with about 100 billion stars (1011)...most of which are emitting neutrinos..you'd be hard pressed to define it as empty, or "null".
If we can see their photons, then we can expect their accompanying neutrinos as well. Let's see...106 times 1011 times square degrees in the sky...that's a few, and all passing through your head and everybody else's to pretty much the same degree..24/7/365..:dance:
SNO only attests to the local star flux. Pete.


True I am saying due to negative gravity the voids which have matter
in them exist at less than zero gravity in places.

That is dark matter and dark energy do not exist the effect is due to
the pull from outside our space and time that stretches our universe.

Meaning there is gravity normal that pulls in and slightly more that
pulls outwards powered by our own universe through singularities
connected to the outside of our time and space.

I have no arguement that it has matter but like negative energy
which when combined added give a negative total.
Unlike matter - antimatter they are not destructive.
Gravity works in our universe caused by all matter and energy focused in
Negative gravity stretches our time space universe outwards.

Cheers Michael Noonan

RussT
2006-Oct-29, 11:49 PM
Here is the kind of maths that provide the real clues to what is happening in our universe as a whole!

NARRATOR: Randall tried to calculate how gravity could leak from our membrane Universe into empty space, but she couldn't make it work. Then she heard the theory that there might be another membrane in the eleventh dimension. Now she had a really strange thought. What if gravity wasn't leaking from our Universe but to it? What if it came from that other universe? On that membrane, or brane, gravity would be as strong as the other forces, but by the time it reached us it would only be a faint signal. Now when she reworked her calculations everything fitted exactly. My Bold

The Problem: Maintream is flatly refusing to look at the possibility that the universe 'could' be working according to the Laws of Thermodynamics of an "OPEN SYSTEM" (which is definitely different than an open FLWR universe!)

Which has forced String/"M" Theory into two different scenarios.

1. In trying to follow the BBT, they say that the whole universe is 1 membrane and that other universes being 1 whole membrane may have collided. This being what possibly caused our brane to inflate and the cause of the BB Naked Singularity.

The problem with this is, that it does not Unify GR and QFT. Why, because 'space' and Gravity cannot be shown to get here, all at once, at T=0!!!

"Space" in the BBT is all pseudo 'space'! "Gravity makes Gravity" and "'Space' makes 'Space'", DM and DE.

DM and DE equal 96% and is all the same thing...'space', which is [Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter] 'leaking' to our universe in each of the voids on a continual basis!

2. The other scenario is simple trying to get Gravity to get here through "Other Macro Dimensions"!

But, Don't just take my word it. I didn't just 'dream up' this concept!

THE VOIDS AND EXPANSION

It has been known for a long time that most, if not all, of the expansion of the Universe is seen in the Voids, and that part is very true.
It is actually a very simple concept, that if ‘space’ is ‘physical’, which we now
Realize that it is, then ‘more’ of it HAS to be being added to it on a continual basis or space to be expanding, since it is not Diluting. If it weren’t for preconceived ideas this would be readily accepted!
This is where the real ‘physical’ ‘space’ described above is being added,
continually, to the universe! Dark Matter ‘space’ is coming from all of the
Voids and is the expansion of the universe in all directions at the speed of light!

We are not sure on exactly how much authority one needs to find before this
can Be Taken Seriously, but here are three of the best authorities we could find for precisely that purpose!

Here is a String Theory paper where just the introduction is pertinent.
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0205055
Introduction;

In string theory there is a problem which cannot be resolved inside of the
theory: Is there an inner structure of the string? If the string is some kind of
matter, then string theory cannot be a fundamental theory of Everything.
We need to have a theory for the string matter. If such matter has an elementary structure then we must have a theory for this structure and so on up to infinity.
In fact this is analogous to the well-known old problem of the inner structure
Of electron. Probably the most radical resolution of this problem was suggested by Einstein. As usual his approach is very revolutionary: the electron does not have any material structure, it is a bridge between two asymptotically flat spaces (a wormhole in the modern language). One can say that this is Einstein’s Paradigm for the fundamental structure of Matter.

http://physics.harvard.edu/people/facpages/randall.html

NARRATOR: Randall tried to calculate how gravity could leak from our membrane Universe into empty space, but she couldn't make it work. Then she heard the theory that there might be another membrane in the eleventh dimension. Now she had a really strange thought. What if gravity wasn't leaking from our Universe but to it? What if it came from that other universe? On that membrane, or brane, gravity would be as strong as the other forces, but by the time it reached us it would only be a faint signal. Now when she reworked her calculations everything fitted exactly. End.

http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.php?p=648294&postcount=66
Originally Posted by Tim Thompson
[What if the other universes are not so "unobservable" after all? What if we have misinterpreted the observations, and the force we interpret as "dark matter", is really, gravity leaking out of the other universes, and into ours? I can readily imagine a multi-universe theory, which includes such an effect, and therefore is not simply "consistent" with observation, but actually predicts the observed effects we call dark matter & dark energy, as consequences of the communication of information between universes]



As we have enumerated, since there is little doubt that we see the expansion of the universe in the huge Voids between the clusters of galaxies, that is where ‘Gravity’ is leaking to our universe, and this is happening in all the major Voids (and maybe minor ones, if they exist). As shown in the paper, this ‘gravity’ is the DM ‘inert’ ‘base’ elements and makes up ‘all’ of our ‘space’, and is the BGF, traveling at ‘C’. As we have also shown, this is coming from the Massive Black Hole, Planck sized, Kerr Ringed Singularities.
Now, how would we know whether these ‘base’ Planck size/mass inert elements were coming from our universe Massive Black Holes OR as all the authorities above predict, ‘another universe’ outside our own?
The answer to that is actually much easier than anyone at first, may think, but of course will take a full expert GR examination to confirm.
It simply has to do with the “Correct’ time reversals of Massive Black Hole structure, including Einstein-Rosen Bridges.
Now that we have seen, that in an Open System, ‘seeing’ the Progenitor of a MBH is as simple as pulling the singularity up out of the black hole and outside the event horizon, this changes the dynamics of time reversals, and how to be able to see what is on the ‘other side’ of the Ringed Singularity in the MBH’s in our universe.
So, since time should stop, at the Ringed Singularities, for all the Matter that goes into the MBH’s of our universe, that should mean that going forward in time, through the Ringed Singularity is impossible. Therefore it would be impossible to see the Einstein-Rosen Bridge (worm hole/ white hole spewing DM) structure from this vantage point at all!
So, the only way we are seeing the Einstein-Rosen Bridge at all, is if we are time reversing it out of the MBH in the universe level ‘above ours’. It really is this simple.
Which simple means, that the MBH’s in the universe level above ours, are releasing their DM, in all the Voids, through the Einstein-Rosen Bridge, to our Background Gravity field, ‘space’, and that ‘our’ MBH’s are releasing their DM through the Einstein-Rosen Bridge, to the Background Gravity Field, ‘space’, of the universe level below ours.

Now, there may be an independent way to verify this!
Since the narrative above said Lisa Randall…“ tried to calculate how gravity could leak from our membrane Universe into empty space”, She is talking about ‘our empty space’, and not our MBH’s, so of course this didn’t work, but when she says…“What if gravity wasn't leaking from our Universe but to it? What if it came from that other universe? Now when she reworked her calculations everything fitted exactly.” This should be independent corroboration of what we are showing!

What this really means is VERY exciting, because it means that our universe is NOT going to expand away to a very bleak and cold nothingness or contract into a Big Crunch, BUT with all the MBH’s (with all their new ones being created just as in ours) of the universe level above ours,
releasing ‘space’ to us, and our new Galaxies being created about once a day, for the last however many billions of years, that the Multi-Verses are virtually, perpetual galaxy making machines!

And here is the last thing Tim says in his post!

I'm not here to make a case one way or the other, but I am here to make the case that observation should constrain theories, but not imaginations. And one should not be overly impressed by the concept of "truth", or even of "reality", as it applies to a scientific theory. The one and only constraint that should apply to science at all levels is consistency. Nothing else matters.

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-30, 07:09 PM
I sure hope you are right.
Also I hope my null space is totally wrong.
Because it describes a system in stage of collapse.

RussT
2006-Oct-31, 08:57 AM
I sure hope you are right.
Also I hope my null space is totally wrong.
Because it describes a system in stage of collapse.

The thing is, the more I investigate and the more ways they tell me I'm wrong and then I investigate that, the more it looks like it could and should be correct.

For over 100 + years every course of investigation has followed the 1st and 2nd laws of Thermodynamics accepts for the Steady State Theories.

But the SST's all start with the presmise the the universe is forever and so didn't have to answer critical questions that must be answered, and then the fight became about the wrong things.

The main point though, is that matter is being created on a constant basis in my model, it doesn't start with a forever universe and if matter is being created (New galaxies) then it can be destroyed (mtter going into and through the MBH's and Einstein-Rosen Bridges).

And then if this is true, the concept of a simple expanding or contracting Universe is absolutely Ultra-Naive, and is all the result of trying to model the universe as a whole from an initial premise, without understanding first, "How The Matter Gets Here"!!!

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-31, 01:30 PM
Reflecting on this we now have time references, observations that
will give evidence of a closed sphere universe with open connections.

Planets and stars that would normally be held in orbit stay in orbit.
Negative energy just gives a baseline where the orbit speed stays the same.

All we need to do is see if the same speed reading of outer ordit galactic
objects is found in systems in the past and if it is at the same strength.

Same reading = continuity, decreasing = expansion, increasing = collapse.
Rate of change would show acceleration of any effect.

The fact that this happens at all is proof in itself of a pressure from outside.
Something that could only happen if linked to another gravity source at the
outer edges of our system. That means links to systems above us.

Nereid
2006-Oct-31, 02:17 PM
Let's start here, right at the beginning. What are the holes you perceive that your ideas fill, particularly with regard to the big bang?
The four dimensions of space-time in standard physical theory (SR, GR) are three spatial dimensions and time. In what way are these unobservable? We'll ignore for the moment the six or seven additional dimensions posited in some string theories. Are you supposing there is a fourth (orthogonal to the three we observe) space dimension that is accessible to matter? Your comment about accelerating electrons into the fourth dimension using the power of a car battery suggests you didn't mean time as that dimension.
And then the question of numbers and equations. Nereid asks if you have any. I ask further: do these numbers and equations differ in any way from those in mainstream physics? If so, how; if not, how would we validate your ideas?
Can you predict anything that is not part of current theory? A good example would be the masses of elementary particles.I am saying that we exist in three dimensions within the bubble of a
singularity that is above our universe.
Due to the effect of gravity in that universe which by connection at all
points to the outer surface in our universe give us an overall flat positive
gravity reading. It is much like the zero energy that clips the bottom of a
waveform when read by an observer who has a higher base energy than
the sender.
The connection that requires a negative energy reading for wormholes
also requires that we experience the equal and opposite pull from the
universe above us.
No big bang, continuous infill of Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter
and all objects that orbit a body beyond a set distance must obey the
same orbit.
I admit I have been learning on the fly and deeply appologise for my multitude
of errors in trying to explain this. But hey not a bad post for a first up.
And yes no dark matter and dark energy as we are connected permanently to
the level above us. Now the mathematical proof is do all bodies obey the
math of the same speed beyond a certain distance. The answer is Yes.Michael, this ATM section of BAUT has its own, special rule (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=32864):
13. Alternative Concepts

If you have some idea which goes against commonly-held astronomical theory, then you are welcome to argue it here. Before you do, though READ THIS THREAD FIRST (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=16242). This is very important. Then, if you still want to post your idea, you will do so politely, you will not call people names, and you will defend your arguments. Direct questions must be answered in a timely manner.

People will attack your arguments with glee and fervor here; that's what science and scientists do. If you cannot handle that sort of attack, then maybe you need to rethink your theory, too. Remember: you came here. It's our job to attack new theories. Those that are strong will survive, and may become part of mainstream science.

Additionally, keep promotion of your theories and ideas to only those Against the Mainstream threads which discuss them. Hijacking other discussions to draw attention to your ideas will not be allowed.

If it appears that you are using circular reasoning, depending on long-debunked arguments, or breaking any of these other rules, you will receive one warning, and if that warning goes unheeded, you will be banned.If you read this, you will see that those who choose to present an ATM idea here should expect to have that idea, as presented, attacked with glee and fervour. And although it doesn't say so explicitly in the rule, there is no 'going easy' on any idea, as presented, because the presenter is still in high school, or because the presenter does not have a good command of math.

You will also see that direct, pertinent questions about the ATM idea, as presented, must be answered in a timely fashion. That means, in practice, about a week.

Of course, an answer could be "I don't know", or "I can't explain that", or "I need more time to answer that", or "I don't understand the question, could you please clarify?", ... or anything similar.

In this case, I asked you two questions (here (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=16242)) which you have not yet answered.

I am keen to challenge you on an assertion in the post I'm quoting here ("And yes no dark matter and dark energy as we are connected permanently to the level above us. Now the mathematical proof is do all bodies obey the math of the same speed beyond a certain distance. The answer is Yes."), but to do so I need answers to my first set of questions.

Could you please answer them?

Michael Noonan
2006-Oct-31, 08:50 PM
Hello Nereid
I am sorry that I have taken so long. Truth be known this is a picture
or idea I had fancied. I haven't a clue how to do the math. I put the ideas
I had here in the hope that they could be torn apart or be helpful.

My appology to Abelian Grape if I offended I was very highly exited when making that post, my eureka sort of.
If I have anything it is an appreciation that there are so many possibilities

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-01, 10:07 AM
As I probably will get into trouble for my lack of understanding, this is as far
as I have been able to think it through from the top down.

Sorry this is such an awfully long post but it gives plenty to rip through.
How it all started by me

In the beginning was the void and the void was huge. Nothing existed as we
know it just a vast expanse. The only thing that was in the void was position.
Put a large enough body together and it will have proximity to the next part
and the only contact is gravity.

That means put a large enough body together it will eventually gravitate.
This is a virtually infinite medium so it has virtually infinite gravity.
Gravity is the zero of dimensions it was the first and from it came all others.
Time came next and ran at top speed from side to side and is itself a dimension causing waves in the void running backwards and forwards.

These grew and harmonics developed to a point where the void was stretched so greatly it cupped like a wave and closed over with all the force locked in.

As the fabric of the void touched it sealed and the pocket tore away from the void. This pocket having no contact to pull it out contracted in on itself to singularity.

Separated from the void it burst free for now there was no container. For the
first and possibly all time was the naked singularity, the big bang.

From here all other dimensions came into existence all obedient to gravity
and defined by it. The zero for x, y, z is nothing; the zero for time is at maximum for it did not start at rest but runs forwards and backwards until slowed down.

Gravity started at maximum and by association started time and is detached from local gravity only by levels through singularities and like time zero is just a reference. Gravity has wave effect on a huge scale and particle effect for the first singularity it is very similar to light and harder to measure.

Try frozen helium at the pressure balance point of gas to solid. Observe over a time frame and plot the ratio of gas to liquid. That may be enough to get a slow enough reading to see gravity waves.

Units Formula
void = V V (sub T sub G) ~ ~~ -> N
gravity = G
time = T
gravity wave = ~
harmonic to fold = ~~
separation = ->
naked singularity = N

From here the singularity expended its captured gravity down a linear series of connected singularities and related blackholes until it ran out of energy, virtually the whole of the linked universes in the same instance each with it own 4 dimensions all running at times unique to their own universe but very similar probably.

As other black holes formed the also connected down a level and the network
was formed.

We are the stuff of pure gravity that has both wave and particle nature.

Our bubble of existence has inflow registered as dark matter and dark energy.
This is the dual nature of gravity.

The pull of gravity on our whole system from the ones above and below put
us under pressure holding safely at the 4 th dimension barrier.
It is clear we have an expanding system as predicted by Einstein.

We may also have a collapsing system as indicated by me.
It is in balance as RussT has so kindly help me understand.
The new galaxies come from the voids as they collapse in on themselves.

They are filled with and shrink around the infill of Planck mass inert
Non-baryonic dark matter which condenses and produces new galaxies
as old ones run out of steam.

This Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter shows up as unexplained
dark matter in galaxies and as evidence of expansion in the voids as
energy and as null space tries to explain shows expansion while hiding
contraction.

Given that the outside pressure of gravity shows we have 1/25 th of
the mass to make our universe work there must be at least 20 or so
universes directly linked to us. Our time frame suggests that we have only
just recently received the stuff of the first naked singularity and found some
equilibrium.

Given that it is in the largest of all voids and we have not been
squashed or ejected there is little to suppose that this could not be an indefinite state nor that other waves are unlikely.

Life may be throughout the expanse of all of space and indeed hiding down in its very depths even.

We need to be careful on the choices we make for our guardianship of
the black holes.

From this point I am happy to leave my artistic impression to those far more capable of dissecting it into the right letters wiggles and subscripting.

Cheers Michael Noonan

RussT
2006-Nov-01, 11:08 AM
As I probably will get into trouble for my lack of understanding, this is as far
as I have been able to think it through from the top down.

Sorry this is such an awfully long post but it gives plenty to rip through.
How it all started by me

In the beginning was the void and the void was huge. Nothing existed as we
know it just a vast expanse. The only thing that was in the void was position.
Put a large enough body together and it will have proximity to the next part
and the only contact is gravity.

That means put a large enough body together it will eventually gravitate.
This is a virtually infinite medium so it has virtually infinite gravity.
Gravity is the zero of dimensions it was the first and from it came all others.
Time came next and ran at top speed from side to side and is itself a dimension causing waves in the void running backwards and forwards.

These grew and harmonics developed to a point where the void was stretched so greatly it cupped like a wave and closed over with all the force locked in.

As the fabric of the void touched it sealed and the pocket tore away from the void. This pocket having no contact to pull it out contracted in on itself to singularity.

Separated from the void it burst free for now there was no container. For the
first and possibly all time was the naked singularity, the big bang.

From here all other dimensions came into existence all obedient to gravity
and defined by it. The zero for x, y, z is nothing; the zero for time is at maximum for it did not start at rest but runs forwards and backwards until slowed down.

Gravity started at maximum and by association started time and is detached from local gravity only by levels through singularities and like time zero is just a reference. Gravity has wave effect on a huge scale and particle effect for the first singularity it is very similar to light and harder to measure.

Try frozen helium at the pressure balance point of gas to solid. Observe over a time frame and plot the ratio of gas to liquid. That may be enough to get a slow enough reading to see gravity waves.

Units Formula
void = V V (sub T sub G) ~ ~~ -> N
gravity = G
time = T
gravity wave = ~
harmonic to fold = ~~
separation = ->
naked singularity = N

From here the singularity expended its captured gravity down a linear series of connected singularities and related blackholes until it ran out of energy, virtually the whole of the linked universes in the same instance each with it own 4 dimensions all running at times unique to their own universe but very similar probably.

As other black holes formed the also connected down a level and the network
was formed.

We are the stuff of pure gravity that has both wave and particle nature.

Our bubble of existence has inflow registered as dark matter and dark energy.
This is the dual nature of gravity.

The pull of gravity on our whole system from the ones above and below put
us under pressure holding safely at the 4 th dimension barrier.
It is clear we have an expanding system as predicted by Einstein.

We may also have a collapsing system as indicated by me.
It is in balance as RussT has so kindly help me understand.
The new galaxies come from the voids as they collapse in on themselves.

They are filled with and shrink around the infill of Planck mass inert
Non-baryonic dark matter which condenses and produces new galaxies
as old ones run out of steam.

This Planck mass inert Non-baryonic dark matter shows up as unexplained
dark matter in galaxies and as evidence of expansion in the voids as
energy and as null space tries to explain shows expansion while hiding
contraction.

Given that the outside pressure of gravity shows we have 1/25 th of
the mass to make our universe work there must be at least 20 or so
universes directly linked to us. Our time frame suggests that we have only
just recently received the stuff of the first naked singularity and found some
equilibrium.

Given that it is in the largest of all voids and we have not been
squashed or ejected there is little to suppose that this could not be an indefinite state nor that other waves are unlikely.

Life may be throughout the expanse of all of space and indeed hiding down in its very depths even.

We need to be careful on the choices we make for our guardianship of
the black holes.

From this point I am happy to leave my artistic impression to those far more capable of dissecting it into the right letters wiggles and subscripting.

Cheers Michael Noonan


:hand: :doh: :confused:

Nereid
2006-Nov-02, 10:25 AM
Hello Nereid
I am sorry that I have taken so long. Truth be known this is a picture
or idea I had fancied. I haven't a clue how to do the math. I put the ideas
I had here in the hope that they could be torn apart or be helpful.

[snip]Thanks for this.

However, you did not answer my second question (http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.php?p=855365&postcount=29):
In what way(s) do(es) the terms in bold differ, in this ATM idea, from the standard definitions that you find in standard textbooks?Please answer this question.

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-02, 10:56 AM
Thanks for this.

However, you did not answer my second question (http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.php?p=855365&postcount=29):Please answer this question.

The second question shows my ignorance as to terms using very precise terms like mass and matter interchangablyand with not the right understanding to when it should be specific like earth wind fire or water.

Guilty also of muddling very freely between charge force energy push pull
when each has extemely specific use. I have been much like a bush mechanic
working on an engine with an adjustable wrench and not the precise tool.


As you can see the heirarchy idea was thrown together very quickly to
'try to get a tube system that could be started at one time.

A failure there.
Very rough unfortunately. Finally this is where I got up to.

There is an idea that I have come with that uses anchor
connector references up and down.

Point A above, point B our universe and point C below. A

The mass that is estimated has a connection up // \\

There is an equal force balancing \\ //
Our universe 4% mass and 21% dark matter B
// \\
The mass that is estimated to connect down \\ //
Point C anchored below C

We count our mass 4% and dark matter 21% once B to A
and see the balance return from A equals that 25% total
So the balance mass A to B is 25%.
We use the same mass 4% and dark matter 21% down and
see that we have already counted all mass so it is twice 25%
balance B to C and C to B balance mass is 50%.

Total balance mass is equal to 75% which is strangely the
exact amount of dark energy needed to make our system work.
This indicates that B is us and A and C are the same object
which has a ratio of 21% mass of object AC and 4% us.

The system here is in balance between us and a source just
over six times our mass.

We would need a system that had achieved such a balance.
If I remember rightly we had rapid expansion from the initial start of the
universe time zero to time 5 billion years.
Observed de accelleration 5 billion to 8 billion years.
From then expansion 8 billion year mark to now which is described as flat.

What if we achieved a balanced system at the 8 billion year mark
that simply appears to be accelerating and will appear to do so indefinitely.
It would require a predictive system of contraction that countered the expansion
that for what ever reason was not detectable.

We connect down to something six plus times our mass below and it
connects up to us and we just don't see where it comes in but can record
that the right amount of dark energy would look like the amount of stuff needed
if we could just work out what it is that we are looking for.
Sorry I haven't been much help suggesting it is gravity with both a mass and
charge duality particle verse wavelength nature.

I just found the numbers were interesting cheers.

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-02, 11:03 AM
The diagram was suposed to look like this

A
// \\
\\ //
B
// \\
\\ //
C

It got a bit skew whiff.

Nereid
2006-Nov-02, 01:03 PM
How could your idea be tested, Michael Noonan?

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-02, 01:39 PM
I suppose that if there is a shared platform of gravity
where mass is counted once and so the energy three
times.

This would indicate that close orbit masses are nett
above the level of shared platform gravity.

If the calculation for the advance of Mercury around the
Sun obeyed Newton's laws with the base galactic gravity
of both systems removed, I think it may be perhaps
between 12 to 14 times our single galactic calculated
gravity without the dark matter or energy.

It would quickly disprove the idea if I am wrong.
Cheers.

Nereid
2006-Nov-02, 02:42 PM
I suppose that if there is a shared platform of gravity
where mass is counted once and so the energy three
times.

This would indicate that close orbit masses are nett
above the level of shared platform gravity.

If the calculation for the advance of Mercury around the
Sun obeyed Newton's laws with the base galactic gravity
of both systems removed, I think it may be perhaps
between 12 to 14 times our single galactic calculated
gravity without the dark matter or energy.

It would quickly disprove the idea if I am wrong.
Cheers.I don't follow you - observing (or measuring) what, exactly, would test this idea? The time it takes Mercury to go round the Sun once? Or something else?

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-02, 03:34 PM
I am not sure what the base universe gravity is but I figure it is fairly small.
If the difference in the weight of the gravity joinining the Sun and Mercury
was of the order 12 to 14 times the universe average.
This would be a platform gravity that the strength of the pull between the
Sun and Mercury could be reduced by as it would be so small as to not affect their weights would Mercury no longer be in the relative effect of the Suns
gravitational pull and advance the perehelion by only the amount that Newton
predicted.

This would be a base gravity that would be even that is why I thought of it as a platform and so small as to be virtually not noticeable to the observer
in local gravity such as on earth. It wouldn't alter points of balance between
objects but may explain why heavier ones don't quite get to as large an orbit
as lighter one and gas clouds are able to orbit at the same speed as the outer stars in a galaxy just a bit further out.

Nereid
2006-Nov-02, 03:49 PM
I am not sure what the base universe gravity is but I figure it is fairly small.
If the difference in the weight of the gravity joinining the Sun and Mercury
was of the order 12 to 14 times the universe average.
This would be a platform gravity that the strength of the pull between the
Sun and Mercury could be reduced by as it would be so small as to not affect their weights would Mercury no longer be in the relative effect of the Suns
gravitational pull and advance the perehelion by only the amount that Newton
predicted.

This would be a base gravity that would be even that is why I thought of it as a platform and so small as to be virtually not noticeable to the observer
in local gravity such as on earth. It wouldn't alter points of balance between
objects but may explain why heavier ones don't quite get to as large an orbit
as lighter one and gas clouds are able to orbit at the same speed as the outer stars in a galaxy just a bit further out.Sorry to say I still have no idea what you are saying, nor how what you wrote answered my question.

Could you please try again?

In order to test your idea, imagine you are giving instructions to an astronomer with an extraordinary range of the best astronomical tools at her full disposal. What would you ask her to observe?

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-02, 04:45 PM
To me 25cm a second sounded fast until someone told me it was a slow walk.

I think we are connected to a mass roughly six times our own so combined that makes seven. The gravity of both systems is shared up and down through hyperspace as we are almost out of range of that mass. As we link both ways the overall gravity of our combined systems some 12 to 14 units of the calculated gravitational attraction of our universe and the mass is an overall level of gravity linked and uniform in both systems.

It is flat not acting down but just like a step to a slightly higher level.

The real zero is slighlty lower than what we experience so a real zero is a negative figure for all matter and for all gravitation attraction.

We start on a gravity platform equal no highs or lows and may only see it if we observe very close or distant orbits or if a platform of gravity would have
any effect on areas of very low gravity such as deep space.

Gravity connects so attraction rules apply but may act on the speed of the very close or on the very distant. We have two gravities one platform, the other point to point that give a wave the ability to act like a particle to hold to a straight line yet be bent and straighten because of the linear pressure of other lines of gravity.

I suppose what is the average gravity of our universe if it were a number.
Multiply that number by 12 to 14 call it flat gravity if you like.
Work out if reducing the point to point pull between the Sun and Mercury over the distance between them by that figure is significant.

So there would be a calculated tensile strength of pull and reduce it by only just the amount of flat gravity.
If the result achieved is the same amount as what the Newton equation
would predict the advance of the orbit of Mercury would be.
Then if it is constant we have our fudge factor.
I hope that helps, I can add but I would have to look up the gravity to use
and then try to figure out Newton's equation.
Cheers

Nereid
2006-Nov-02, 05:45 PM
To me 25cm a second sounded fast until someone told me it was a slow walk.

I think we are connected to a mass roughly six times our own so combined that makes seven. The gravity of both systems is shared up and down through hyperspace as we are almost out of range of that mass. As we link both ways the overall gravity of our combined systems some 12 to 14 units of the calculated gravitational attraction of our universe and the mass is an overall level of gravity linked and uniform in both systems.

It is flat not acting down but just like a step to a slightly higher level.

The real zero is slighlty lower than what we experience so a real zero is a negative figure for all matter and for all gravitation attraction.

We start on a gravity platform equal no highs or lows and may only see it if we observe very close or distant orbits or if a platform of gravity would have
any effect on areas of very low gravity such as deep space.

Gravity connects so attraction rules apply but may act on the speed of the very close or on the very distant. We have two gravities one platform, the other point to point that give a wave the ability to act like a particle to hold to a straight line yet be bent and straighten because of the linear pressure of other lines of gravity.

I suppose what is the average gravity of our universe if it were a number.
Multiply that number by 12 to 14 call it flat gravity if you like.
Work out if reducing the point to point pull between the Sun and Mercury over the distance between them by that figure is significant.

So there would be a calculated tensile strength of pull and reduce it by only just the amount of flat gravity.
If the result achieved is the same amount as what the Newton equation
would predict the advance of the orbit of Mercury would be.
Then if it is constant we have our fudge factor.
I hope that helps, I can add but I would have to look up the gravity to use
and then try to figure out Newton's equation.
CheersIt's of no help at all ...

How about you take the time to look up whatever you need to look up, figure out whatever you need to figure out, and when you have an answer, post it here?

Until then, whatever this thread is about, it seems (to me) to be 'science-free', and that makes Off-Topic Babbling a more suitable place for it than this ATM section, a section which tries to be science-based.

Or did I miss something important?

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-04, 12:17 PM
In order to have a system where there can be a big bang with no centre the mass that causes it must be moving at high velocity. The outer super illumination is what the present universe consists of.

The method that this is achieved by is a super large void with pure gravity. A weakness is formed at the edge and a zero point event is sucked into existance and gravitates towards the centre of the void.

It forms a string of singularities each one deeper into the void until the sheer gravity of the void consumes the zero point singularity big bangs propagator. The string of bangs after the big suck hang momentarily in the outer regions of the void until they too fall inwards to the gravity well of the void.

The void is sentient and has two functions excretion and absorption. The infall of matter one created from the zero point event may in some cases also develop sentient life. This also has vibration. When the void absorbes the string it is fed and either consumes the thought or excretes it as unpalitable. The consumption is the merging of the conscious of all that is acceptable to the void.

The garbage that has no place is moved in the time frame of the void to the edges so that it can be absorbed in the next zero point big suck. For the sentient consciousness of that which it rejects the time frame is eternity likewise the conscious that is palatable joins and becomes eternity.

This was never about man. So choose what you bring the emotions that you will carry for eternity the values the nutrient you provide, there is no choice only delay. Why no intervention the entity consumes that which is good for it and rejects its excretia.

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-06, 11:13 AM
Universe building take 27.
Rule 1. Stay sane, avoid caffeine induced euphoria.
Rule 2. Have fun and ensure the reader understands I expect to get hauled over the coals.
Rule 3. Stay to known conditions that could work on voids (in this universe) refer to rule 1.

The top black hole A with singularity A has been active for a long time and cleared out its area. Hawking radiation has reduced its mass so that its event horizon is very large. Very powerful black holes have a smaller horizon by comparison.

Gravity from space if any flows very evenly, it encounters the black hole A. The time frame of the singularity A is different to the universe outside of the black hole A. There is a point of weakness reached and the singularity A overcomes the gravitational hold of the black hole A and undergoes rapid inflation. A few moments later the super inflating singularity A starts to form matter of which 90% disappears down smaller black holes.

The inital breaking of the black hole A is momentarily arrested as it was about to fail when the surge that initially presented was arrested and slowed down. A state of equilibrium and balance is achieved again with an inflated bubble within an event horizon unable to recollapse it immediately to a singularity.

Now the same view from the singularity A:
An initial super inflation that appeared to be at the speed of light.
Forming matter from the energy burst and having much of it disappear down black holes.
Having a time frame from the moment of inflation of 13.7 billion years.
Experiencing a slow down from 5 to 8 billion yearmark.
Observing steady expansion from 8 billion years onwards.
Not having any outside light readings or older material than from start of the bang.
Getting readings of dark energy and matter.
Confused guessologist attempting to recreate conditions of universe in a gravity bubble.

Yep I better sign off, can feel the urge to have another coffee.
Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-07, 02:55 PM
Take 27 The fudge factor model

The search for alternate description and the discrete bang.

I know this sounds bizarre but if an exact amount is stored at a point that needs containing and the mechanism of the container fails then you get all of what you stored back. It may be in rearranged order. My thought on this is black holes do not go down and stay down. Based on the only example of the universe we have this one the black holes many are greater in number than the universe one.

We think of the pull of the black hole as so strong as not to be able to get sucked back into this time frame. The discovery of dark energy gives us the opportunity to recover all of what was put into these black holes and at some point the universe above us will do the same to us.

My simple system of a partially expanded contained universe is a freak chance within a freak chance of existence. The sum of all things may be many and infinite in variety and I don't even test those waters. I will not attempt to explain the beginning without recorded observation.

What we have here is a small slice of the total to be observed and under certain conditions the pull of gravity or as I like the explanation of, the push on matter into weaker fields of gravity density should return the total of what was stored given the right conditions.

If the strength the of pull of negative energy over a void if greater than the push to weaker fields of gravity density the naked singularity is returned. In the time frame of the failure of containment the event horizon stays in place and in all cases the super inflation of all the matter that was contained takes place. The returned matter then adds to new star and galaxy formations.

The event of 8 billion years ago was the push upwards into the present galaxy. The changed rate of expansion which then occurred and the presence of dark energy greater than combined dark matter and known matter is suggestive that we are on the way up again.

The method by which we crunched down I do not know nor of its origin but we are being pushed out.
Perhaps now is time to consider what is at the end of the big spit?

Cheers Michael Noonan

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-07, 11:19 PM
I can only assume that time is now the most interesting dimension. Although we are at an inflated size within the singularity as 'seen' from the universe we are popping up into we are invastly different time frames so the question is now how does time and space adjust to each re-adjustment of its parameters.

So what is the speed and size and dynamics of time? A strange concept for something so stable.

Even more important to consider time shielding and location during adjustment. There may even be some rather special unexpected side effects which should have the conspiracy theorists amused for years. The preservation and accurate collection of space imaging of all forms is more important than ever to plan for the future. Preferably the almost infinite far distant future based on our experience of time in the bubble.

Now if there are more pops upwards in the observed past then how do we recalculate the time frames as each one would need to be considered to now have corners even though the flow of information we would 'see' would appear relatively unchanged, the number of jumps would need to be calculated on unexpected rates of change of expansion of our universe.

Oh well it should be fascinating if nothing else, many thanks to all the members of Bad Astronomy for all the work they have put into this site.

Cheers Michael Noonan

Nereid
2006-Nov-08, 01:10 AM
Moved, from ATM section to OTBB ... (note that whatever this thread seems to be about, it is 'science-free', so the ATM section is the wrong place for it).

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-08, 07:21 AM
Hello Nereid,

I don't suppose this gets me off the hook when it comes to having to explain why I think a singularity can be 'lifted' from a lower level. I thought of our universe as having an even spread of space coming in and so an overall positive energy level called dark energy. That gravity when explained as a negative density around matter could have a weakening effect on a singularity not at its strongest point the event horizon but at the large end nearer the edge of the outer sphere of the void it has cleared out.

The evidence of this would be observations of fairly regular voids in space very uniform in spherical nature. Then for young active galaxies to be fairly central in those void regions indicating that they have been lifted and experience discrete super inflation on the way up.

Thanking you for understanding and if this does ever get acceptance in any quarter then it would be an open universe with many levels both up and down from any super inflated level and so be in a state of overall mass energy conservation but harder to determine start and end points with all theories back on the books and equally valid.

Michael Noonan

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-08, 01:31 PM
An accurate method of tracking the gain of dark matter over a long time frame would be to check with the French Ministry of Measurements because they have the official 1 kilogram standard measure. All the other standard measures have maintained their correct weight because they are out in the open enough to absorb their fair share of dark matter. The official standard is in a secure vault which is absorbing the dark matter before it gets to the standard and so it is ever so slightly getting lighter and this has been recorded over a span of many years.


Cheers Michael Noonan.

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-08, 01:55 PM
Better yet a way of testing for gravity waves in number of locations all round the globe. Place Liquid helium at 0 degrees kelvin in very large chambers in equal gas to liquid pressure ratio in at rest containers around the earth or funds permitting in space. Work out an equal time measurement system and just observe and be prepared to measure extemely minute fluctuations in the gas to liquid ratio which should be the same across all containers and time synchronos for all of the liquid helium test containers. This would show we are in a vastly different time reference to the universe above us if the wave appeared to travel equally across our galaxy at less than c the speed of light.

Uniform regular change would indicate an event horizon crossing by a suitably large body.

Cheers Michael Noonan

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-08, 08:54 PM
Given that dark matter is not yet known matter and that if it was to be added like a spice to the universe wouldn't it land on the active surface of stars and be sent out as solar wind or flare material.

The point is that over billions of years we would have very accurate measures of the real weight of hydrogen and helium here on our planet. But our sun wouldn't get all of its share of that dark matter infall. The weight of the material of the sun would be shielded by outflow to the effect of dark matter. We collected the dark matter the stars dispure their share and so exist at a potentially different weight to what they could be given the known measure of the elements on this planet.

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-10, 09:06 AM
The Measure of Expansion
To look at time frames before the 6 billion year mark is to take a look into the past when our universe was on its way up from the level below us.
At the around the 6 billion year mark in the past at least our universe popped up a level and arrived in this universe and at that point our time frames may have adjusted or had to adjust to this larger universe in the level we are in now. Was that adjustment violent or smooth as time frames merged if so it should be evident from light arriving from that distance approximately 6 billion light years ago.
The Bullet Cluster is an example of a singularity that has been raised some 3.4 billion years ago and may just show evidence of massive entrance aperture damage adjustment as it entered this part of our universe.
To lift a singularity requires that the area of dark energy is greater than the energy of the gravity density over the same area. When that happens in the correct ratio the whole section of gravity structure lifts up a level and releases the singularity from the black hole. So it is probably more correct from this point on to refer to lifting the energy level of the entire gravity field surrounding the singularity to release it than to suggest it pops up as in reality it did not go down physically.
The position in space the singularity occupies is on the same level as the universe that we are in but considered to be at a lower energy level due to curvature of space caused by gravity. The enclosed singularity which is our universe would continue to decompress so the time frame adjustment could be completed in our universe. this adjustment may start from the initial time of lift of all matter and space in the gravity field above the singularity with the time adjustment going down to the point to where the singularity started at point size.
Einstein viewed gravity as structures in space which helps to visualise this effect.
To understand the rate of expansion of the current universe it is local galaxy readings that will indicate the new real rate of our expansion. The ratio of dark energy to total mass drives expansion and connects to mass that is evident in our galaxy. We need accurate readings collected from the early universe that indicate if there was a uniform slow down and read the ratio of dark energy to total matter balance.
Currently we have 4% + 21% mass vs. 75% dark energy. But this is an estimated reading estimated from looking at the whole universe of which we may be only a part. Then if the energy lift is not constant we may have some estimates for the next lift or some tell tale signs. The rate of change and values will be the clue. I believe the balance of our system is not 25 to 75, mass to energy because they interconnect.
Then as the time frames adjust variation may be read from the levels of dark energy in the universe above. It would be significant if going up the level was as smooth as going over the edge into a singularity.
To assume 75% dark energy 25% total mass depends on how interconnected they are and how far back in time they go by better observation. We need to consider that prior to arriving in this universe all readings are potentially the effect only on our smaller system in isolation to this larger upper level universe we are in and how to sort the two signals. The ratio will give the lift of a smaller system in known compression providing we can sort out which is the total matter of this level and what we brought with us.
We have observed the effects of both dark matter and dark energy and to this point I only thought of the dark energy and its lift effect. To calculate lift using these numbers only would paint a very grim picture and this is where the dark energy comes into play. Space links down through black holes and whole universes get lifted a level exposing the singularity or singularities below.
Dark energy links to dark matter through the voids linking space not only up and down but sideways. Truely a masterpiece of connection and an anchor. The voids of our universe need somewhere to link to if they are to produce null space conduits channelling compression. The conduit may not be energy as I first thought but gravity itself. The dark energy registered on the voids if it is to be gravity needs an anchor, an anchor to mass, our mass.
A void with its gravity concentrated at the edge starts a vortex in the centre that links to a galaxy and this fully accounts for at least 25% of the dark energy linked within the same level. It just doesn't have the gravity to form a singularity and has not got the mass to push down a level to form a singularity. Null space a gravity conduit is more apt. When it connects with a galaxy some of the gravity also connects with the black hole if there is one in the galaxy it is linked to.
This is the anchor and accounts for some more of the excess dark energy which is why we are not popping uncontrolably up level after level to a void.
Unfortunately for the background radiation, unless it has some very distinct variations will be the muddied readings of our early universe and the universe of this level and may not be readable unless two distinct temperature gradients are recorded. The mixing of time frames will not help in that regard much either.
Consideration must also be given to the small area effect that each galaxy could be the direct result of a singularity directly above which would further muddy the waters.
In this case there needs to be the mechanics of how a boundary of structural gravity works. One that allows for the passage of light between galaxies pinned by adjoining voids. What is the passage of light through null space conduit and gravity density but with no direct event horizon in a void . It seems highly unlikely but I have learnt not to say anything is impossible.
In this case a galaxy at a time one a day according to RussT could be arriving which leads to how many a day are leaving. It seems probable that we are part of a huge area effect as well as a galaxy by galaxy effect. It canít be discounted. If it was able to lift a small galaxy or cluster then the lift wouldn't leave behind a super inflated singularity of great size. The galaxy or cluster in the lift sideways by the null space tube would arrive in the centre of the apperture started in the void.
The connection may be possible and take with it the galaxy previously sitting around the former event horizon. The underlying now super inflating singularity in its own time frame appears as a fully fledged mini universe or cluster. The curious thing is will the null space tube act like a straw with a pea in it and transport the cluster and still remain in place. I would think not because there would mean a gravity connection to the site of the singularity when a lift more accurately describes a break with the edge of the origional galaxy or cluster.
Result a cluster appears in the void and suffers only apperture damage as it is already in this time frame and in its place a new inflated singularity very young by our time but potentially billions of years old in it relative time frame arrives where the cluster used to be.
What is fairly certain is that we exist as a result of release of compression. Our universe runs both up and down, the ratio of gravity density to dark energy determines how fast we are going up or getting squashed down. The flow is matter being lifted out a level by dark energy into a new time and space frame and matter getting squashed down a level by gravity into a black hole once it crosses the event horizon as an infill of space.
As we can only go up a level or sideways where there is a void, it wouldn't be the case of arriving in a singularity sideways as it requires a void to make the connection. As for above our level receiving a huge inflow of matter and causing the process to reverse to a compression down to singularity size again with any degree of ease I dont know because we only go up where the level above us gets lifted suggesting an open space.
It seems like we will continue to step ever upwards. Only when completed does the process reverse and the mechanics of the step down process begin and that won't be in our time frame.
We get lifted and all levels go though many greatly different time frames each lift to eventually join with the opening to the................ , well to be sure I have some ideas but your guess could be as good as mine.
Note:- to be lifted out is dark energy greater over low gravity density.
Cheers Michael Noonan.

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-10, 12:26 PM
The little that I have learned so far.

How can I say this everybody could be right.
Gravity is finely looped through wormholes.
There may have been a big bang.
There did not need to be a big bang.
There could have been compression from a void.
The big bang could have occurred outside our universe.
We may have had a disk shaped beginning.
There may be a balanced mass that we orbit and can't see.
Call it the Dyson Universal Disk if you like.
We probably could exist in a taurus that is now looped.
The universe could have existed since time began.
We did arrive due to a rapid superluminal inflation on a galaxy level.
Dark energy is the balance of flow of gravity.
Dark matter is the effect of the flow of gravity registered as dark energy.
Singularities can be naked but not before they have super inflated.
The gate that we thought could not be opened can be lifted off.
We have never have left this universe just been in storage for a while.
We may have been around it a few times.
The residual heat is the oven left on and may gradually change shape.
It may or may not go below the level that it is at
Singularities do get exposed.
Everything is returned and recycled.
There is a flow sideways and up or down.
Wormholes are real and connect us all through galaxy to void.
Gravity is transparent and is intricately looped through our one level universe.
Light travels through gravity and experiences lensing through voids too.
If we are popping in one a day we also pop out one a day.
The universe has reached equilibrium and expands equal to contraction.
General relativity is granite.
Light may even travel along the looped path that gravity has set for it.
Null space may have made the link. ( I like this one ).
We came into existence through inflation.
We may have an open or closed system.
The start of time will have its mystery.
We may move up levels as a universe or down or not.
Our best observation is of our galaxy.
Worst place to be in the universe is on a spiral arm.
The other worst place is to be torn apart by tidal gravity.
Civilization may eventually have to adopt a lifeboat space culture.
Getting through the apperture should be away from sharp objects.
It is a fascinating world we live in.

I may have missed more than a few things here, but this is good enough

Cheers Michael Noonan

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-10, 12:47 PM
Somebody saw the problem with this and did not wish to annoy anybody.
Gravity is looped, I mean really looped.

Houstan we have a problem.

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-10, 08:28 PM
A question of balance.

The mass to energy ratio 1 : 3 suggests balance.
That is full connectivity.
I am not sure what 4 : 21 means.
I would have prefered to see the same ratio say 6.25 : 18.75
We really only need to find 2 to 2.25 extra mass for balance.
Are we basing the weight on the bright objects which may lighter
than first anticipated due to solar outgassing and so not be as
heavy as cool matter that can receive extra weight.

This still means that in a situation of lift.
What are the effects on the pre-lift universe.
There would be some changes like unexplained slight speed up of orbit.
It is the practicallity of the passage that interests me.
If one got there early what would its narrowest most likely point
of passage be. The duration of crossing and the likelyhood of
some relative effects because the connection may indicate travel
outside this time frame due to the distance traversed.
Would an early arrival give a sling shot effect to avoid
the main wave of the lifted galaxy arriving.

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-11, 02:35 PM
Since I confess to not work in the way of mathematics and so find diagrams and visuals more effective. I couldn't help notice that if you took the gravity plane diagram that showed how a mass would warp space time like a dent in a net and applied it in the other direction when calculating the density mapping of dark matter it could most easily be described as a ring around a galaxy that if being lifted would show an upward movemenent like an egg ring or raised cylinder under the egg like shape of a galaxy.

The visual is having a large egg like mass on a sheet of plastic and pushing a ring some half the diameter of the egg up from under the plastic and watching which way the egg would run. The follow on from that is if the lift continues what would it continue to look like.

Does the ring of dark matter density get closer to the centre over time. The picture is of a galaxy with faster orbits within the ring and the higher the cylinder is raised makes all orbits beyond the ring run around the cylinder in less distance to th point of being equal. Just as mass puts a dent in space curvature downwards could dark matter raise it upwards in a ring shape and register as mass by exerting a push upwards?

I figure it would help to know if the dark matter ring is contracting into the centre or spreading out towards the edge of the galaxy. That way we know whether we are in the bag or spilling over the sides.

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-16, 09:26 AM
I haven't posted for a couple of days as an addition to an idea was brewing. Since I have no fear of loosing a scientific reputation I offer my latest little vision quest.

Word salad time again. But then I just build strange topological models.

I find it easier to think of the design of a structure to do pieces at a time so for instance a galaxy as aligned along a transparent sheet of gravity as a sandwich where the bread is the gravity holding it all together and the stuff inside as all the little bits like the filling.

I donít know if you get hundreds and thousands but they are lots of brightly coloured little balls. So think of them as being in a gel and the bread fully rubberised that you can hold up and flip over twist push big dents into and poke long tube like shapes into the centre from the outer edges or outwards further to other galaxies. There is only one side as it is transparent and only interfers with the lines of gravity along the tube.

The galaxies as balls of empty space that surround the matter within giving it an eliptical shape but only just slightly. These can be thought of as nearby to eachother with hyperspace connectivity to other balls so each can be viewed individually. Connectivity can be the null space tube forming and pushing outwards to other galaxy balls to connect with their strongest gravity source or looping over and punching a hole in its own surface like a klein bottle to connect to the gravity source within its own galaxy ball. The lines cross and there is little interferance as they pass through but don't connect to eachother.

The bread doesnít matter which way up it is because it just holds the dots in place. The dots stay in place and just have to follow where you twist the bread so it is a bit like a Cad Cam walk through where you can step outside the lines.

So if you look at it that way it has no top or bottom because just as you can ďflyĒ through from one side of the galaxy to the other there is no up or down just through meaning it is the one layer just that it can be bent a bit.
One other way of making it a bit easier is to think of each galaxy in its own separate void and then you can look at it just working on itself. So that means each other galaxy is really separate to the connection to eachother and where a hyperspace view of each being separate helps.

So we see all that is bright within our lines and outside of them. Is there a statistical inconsistancy with the inclination of galaxies directly outwards of our plane when we look at other galaxies?

Dark objects that have not connected still exert a gravitational influence so I wouldn't mind guessing the gravity probe B will find some very strange heavy spots of concentrated gravity that we don't experience because it is not in our plane. I think the universe did shatter at some point and it is the reconnection of individual galaxies in voids that haven't been drawn out of their singularity by the larger pumping action of the connected universe yet. But they are joining at a possible rate of one a day. The dark stage after the superluminal inflation was when the broken pieces of the universe couldn't connect because so much had been locked away in black holes.

Hyperspace is the connection but only at the edges of the voids and we connect in the middle. Hyperspace is cold and the heat of the big bang is strongest in the dense tubes of gravity, one of which we are in. The picture is consistant not due to the universe but due to the consistancy of our galaxy and void bubble muddied with the heat of other galaxies that connect to us.

Hyperspace is too large to have gravity hold together and so exerts a minor gravitational effect. The structure and interlink of the dark matter is our extra mass for size and the dark energy for its part is generated by the hyperspace link between the voids. This said there is much more out there waiting to unlock and be linked up and exists in dense position singularities. Space is expanding and ruptured so gravity reshaped to form straws to keep it linked as otherwise we would have flown further apart in a seemingly infinite void with a huge amount of matter spreading too thinly.

As there would be very little interferance from the void of hyperspace there comes the potential to exploit anti gravity through superconductivity. It could make use of the inertia of these huge mass point position detached black holes because there should be plenty of them if lines of force need a fulcrum to act from. Safe enough for me so say this because I don't have a device that will do this nor do I want to make one.

If the readings are weird then maybe the universe is weird so this is my guesstimate.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-19, 03:49 AM
I think the study of the void where the link to hyperspace connects would help to see if there are limits on the types of energy or matter that can enter it. Given that it may have mathematical fixed point calculated position is it possible that the only transfer is given to wavelength. I was thinking if it has fixed point status then trying to push through substance may need a hole to create a region of space as a conduit.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-21, 02:44 AM
Rattling in the tubes "n" space

This construct is much like the remains of my fatherís watch after I pulled it to pieces.
I have borrowed pieces of ideas I like so there is a lot to fill in.

It is an awful mess. It is a broken set of mini universes all running in their own time frames all spreading infinitely far apart in an unbounded void. Given enough time all become visible to each other.

At best they are self powered massive cold lumps of matter in self perpetuating closed loops. The mass is the spongy entity in the vast open unbounded inflexible void.

The void for the most part can be considered almost infinitely empty with transit of light not existing in time or measurable distance, just existence.

Space is the thin interstitial looped layer stretched over gas in the tube of our galaxy. It is anchored between mass at each end held to the tube by negative energy from the void.

Its unique feature is that it is the bubble of our three dimension existence. It is relatively clear of dust as the heavy exotic particles are pushed by negative void energy into the galactic tube.

Both tube and void act pushing us up and down in our perceived view of the plane of our galaxy. Because one force is greater we effectively play bounce.

All the rest we can work out as we go. I will get onto particles.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-21, 03:57 AM
This is my post 100 so I hope it is good.

The galaxy should look like a plate with the centre slightly low due to being pulled somewhat in the outwards direction topologically. If we are in the region where the orbits of stars have similar velocity we should be on average closer to the tube.

If we are on the high side of that then we are nearest the tube. So now if we know its position fire a gravitomagnetic beam straight up perpendicular to the plane of our galaxy and watch how the reflected light from a straight gravity beam appears to curve towards the centre of our galaxy because that is the path the light has to return from is bent from within the system. It should also get some very interesting glow results providing much needed information about exotic particles.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-22, 10:33 PM
Mr Watson, please come here. I want you!

An interesting communication project would be to measure the difference in vibration between a gravitationally independent mass and ourselves.
If under the noise there is a signal then we are listening in on the galactic internet.

Cheers

Yet another example where I was wrong, I've corrected spelling and kept in the helpful update.

Two Klein Shape


The Klein shape has two sides no edges. So connect two of them at a point and draw them through to their most simple shape and you get a sphere, no edges and an inside and an outside. The "lines" of gravity can cross and not interfere.
Yes it is pretty disastrous for the matter but that is not what is being looked at. The shape is in the lines of gravity that can cross, not turn corners and connect through to form a sphere.

Cheers

The importance of the link

Again I am more than happy to be declared wrong but this is where I was thinking that gravity is more than a bit special.

Comparison

Light a photon that travels as a wave.
Electricity an electron that propagates through a conductor at the speed of light.
The original electron itself travels slowly through the conductor.

Gravity a negative energy density that travels like a particle, linear.
Through a medium say a vacuum propagates at the speed of light.
The particle effect when looped propagates at the higher speed of gravity.
The individual quanta energy travels still at the speed of light, but its propagation in its own looped medium is higher by several OOM.

Cheers

Corgon








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Originally Posted by Michael Noonan
The Klein shape has two sides no edges. So connect two of them at a point and draw them through to their most simple shape and you get a sphere, no edges and an inside and an outside. The "lines" of gravity can cross and not interfere.
Yes it is pretty disastrous for the matter but that is not what is being looked at. The shape is in the lines of gravity that can cross, not turn corners and connect through to form a sphere.

A Klein bottle has only one side, just like a Moebius strip, though with no edges. A torus is what you get from a square if you connect one pair of edges into a regular strip, then join the adjacent pair of edges (as stated before); a Klein bottle is what you get if you make that same original strip, but connect the second pair of edges "inside-out".

I think, perhaps, your second post was meant for a different thread?


Corgon

Mr Watson, please come here. I want you!


Quote:
Originally Posted by Corgon
A Klein bottle has only one side, just like a Moebius strip, though with no edges. A torus is what you get from a square if you connect one pair of edges into a regular strip, then join the adjacent pair of edges (as stated before); a Klein bottle is what you get if you make that same original strip, but connect the second pair of edges "inside-out".

I think, perhaps, your second post was meant for a different thread?



Great pickup I was a bit unsure on that but join the two of them and you get a sphere.

Another thought while I am on,

An interesting communication project would be to measure the difference in vibration between a gravitationally independent mass and ourselves.
If under the noise there is a signal then we are listening in on the galactic internet.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-22, 10:43 PM
I am not to good at this yet if anybody wishes to put this in boxes in to show the quotes correctly I would really appreciate that.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-23, 01:09 AM
The vibration is the key

A super heavy particle should due to its inertia resist vibration
more than we the observer do. Measure that vibration and we have a
receiver to the vibration of our galaxy.

Cheers

HenrikOlsen
2006-Nov-23, 08:13 AM
Just for illustration: Klein Bottles (http://www.iaeste.dk/~henrik/interests/raytracing.html)
I'd like to see a reference for a series of legal topological transformations needed to transform two connected Klein bottles to a sphere.

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-23, 12:59 PM
I have put together a bitmap but will try to find a spot for it.
To describe it is word salad please give me a day or two.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-23, 02:57 PM
I hope this works it is a rough copy I was trying to explain to my brother

http://box=Inbox&MsgId=3308_1137506_90246_1457_24454_0_271_67137_31 23781898&bodyPart=2&tnef=&YY=11612&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b&VScan=1&Idx=1

It still needs work but I hope it shows the shapes I am thinking of.
Cut the outer shell and loin the tubes at the singularity to the half elipse left and right. The large vent is connected to the outer shell and does not puncture the bubble holding space just attaches to the outside.
If the singularity no longer is the path of flow; it closes and the lines of gravity connect across this is what I mean by loosing the anchor

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-26, 01:43 PM
I don't know what the best way to say this is so I will be direct.

String theory covers the infinite probability of a quantum event but only one is chosen that is our reality. The others just were not selected and do not happen anywhere else because of their relationship to the matter.

Sixteenth dimension higher levels covers the shape and movement of matter in structures.
Matter can be moved forward or backward in time as its time frame is separate reference to that of quantum particles. The structure still advances but the infinite probability of its quantum structure chooses one path and that is selected, just one path.

There is chosen one way forward and one way backward on a quantum level and the others though possible do not get chosen. So a structure in time reverse still sees the world as going forward, children still get born grow up. The way this occurs is that through evolution there is a conscious and an unconscious mind as a result of repeated observable events in our own history.

Lodestones show a regular change in the magnetic field of the earth. That is because the time reverse causes the flow of magnetic activity to be registered in reverse. Carbon dating may show inconsistencies going down levels. A society that advanced could be destroyed if there was no attempt to pass the information accumulated in a manner that the same society could use as time reversed. This can not happen in the observable universe, true because we are in that universe we do not see ourselves change any sort of reference.

Only observations from outside our universe may give a clue to the time frame available. Motions that previously were not detectable appear to be happening and accelerating. At the extreme the laws of relativity appear to be not applicable to recorded movement although the light that reaches us must arrive at our speed of light. The distant stars get brighter as we slow down and are able to collect more of the photons they emit. We therefore see much further it is a moment of great discovery.

By using the observations of standard candles it should be possible to correct for their increased intensity and by so doing work out a time reference for ourselves at which point do we change our direction.

Please note this is just my observation and I would be more than happy to be wrong.

On the remote chance that this is what is happening there are a number of important preparations.
Grounding of all aeroplanes closer to the time as electrical circuitry will for a time be unreliable. Computers will need to be designed to operate in a world of reversed diode transistor current transmission.

Communities will need reversable machinery and household goods and be prepared to use conventional living techniques until the new technology comes on line. Education of the subconscious to cope with being the new conscious entity, language, survival and work skills are essential. Consideration needs to be given to individual and community and this may become more apparent closer to the time of transition. Simple things like hand water pumps in cas there is a long delay in the serviceability of essential machinery.

Medical consideration needs to be given to the impact of reversing the quantum structure of cell constuction and possible defects or cancer potential, people will still age but possibly far more slowly until the reversal is more established.

Families and communities may care to get better aquainted to assist eachother as there will probably not be an effective public service capability. Individual measures may be the best method of providing continuity.

I sure hope someone else has thought this out and can carry this one, I know we are biologically adapted to survive time reverses because we are still here and we have evolved way beyond the dinosaur. Our next challenge is to preserve knowledge so they are ready should time swing our way again.

I don't have the eloquence of Morgan Freeman but I sure wish there was something right I could say.

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-27, 09:36 AM
It has taken me almost two months since I started on this quest to find my space tubes to find my true target. I thought that the big bang was the untouchable topic and have enjoyed forming my own theory right or wrong. Then it appeared that singularity held status as the holy grail of science and that I have attacked gleefully.

All this and only to find that the holy cow of science is nothing more than the turning points in time. To think that anything worthy of study should be viewed with reverent awe lest we offend means it is not just worthy of analysis but as a holy cow it required nothing less than a solid kick.

What will it take to convince us that this taboo subject must be investigated as openly as any other phenomina, its entrails viewed and measured objectively.

My observations so far that it has a profound effect on the human mind and even more on our delicate psychie. We measure the activity of the subconscious brain and marvel at its activity. How about if it was a prisoner all its life in your life and it cared for nothing less than to escape and rule you.

We may even be able to connect with our subconscious and have the false idea that our increased capacity is nothing more than our own intellegence rather than that of a patient observer. Two heads are better than one, well what if our new found brilliance is simply two brains working in the one head however temporarily.

Reading the Newscientist I was fascinated that some top scientists are so confident in all their new found understanding of everything that science should do away with religion once and for all and replace it with science logic observation and fact.

How ironic would it be that if in that moment glory we discovered too late that we were wrong and the only way to hold on for that bit longer was to fight our own mind as time increased its capacity to swell above our conscious will power and that the quiet people of religion through acceptance and praying quietly got on with passing to their new brain what knowledge they have and that at the turning point of time their belief was all that was carried onward.

Where then the noble theory the worthless artifacts that will be dispersed and lost inthe next age of theology and where will it lead us to when it is our conscious brain that struggles to seize the reigns again. At the risk of upsetting every political, every religious and scientific group I kick the sacred cow and say we are at a turning point in time and unless we manage that intelligently we may find ourselves as stupid as monkeys with nothing to turn to but blind faith.

This has possibly happened before, what will it take a non spinning neutrino, a no strength electric field, loss of nuclear containment on the weapons kept in our own back yard. Perhaps the true terrorist knows that all that is needed is to keep us distracted for just long enough. So observe now, plan for the inevitable, share the passing of what was gracefully and hand on a bright torch of knowledge and toast quietly to our future return.

I am truely inspired by the genious of Einstein and have said so on other occasions, this is one of the great things that he said that delight me "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Albert Einstein"

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-27, 02:13 PM
My quote
"Putting it very simply string theory predicts an infinite possible number of universes made up of related clumps of matter or seen as I see it a single universe made up of related clumps of time".


This is the basic shape diagram 1.

1. Draw a large elipse elongation horizontal with small ring in the centre.
2. Draw a funnel on the left and right side pointing the thin bit outwards.
3. Draw the tube of one funnel looping around and entering the elipse from the top.
4. Draw the other tube on the other funnel looping around and entering the elipse from the bottom.

This is the point of connection diagram 2.

1. Connect the tubes in the centre through the ring.
2. On a separate diagram draw an enlargement of just the tubes connecting to each other through
the ring.
3. Draw the tubes being fairly even and pinched in a bit just at the ring.

This is the gravity connection through the Swartzchild radius
When the ring is tight enough light from one tube cannot pass to the tube on the other side of the ring. The connection of the elipse the funnel and the tube is the line of gravity it can not be broken.

If you do for sake of shape cut the connection at the Swartschild ring and connect the ends back their half of the elipse you have two Klein bottles. A Klein bottle is simply a tube pushed through one side of itself and connected at the ends.

At the close point both galaxies are on either side of the Swartzchild ring. When they travel to the other end of just their own tube they compress the elipse of the galaxy down to a tube.
This now is next to the Swartzchild ring and the other galaxy is now on the other side.

Space swells the tube at the end away from the galaxy and provides the balance to lift the galaxy away from the Swartzchild ring. The galaxies can not touch because the lifting force of the void prevents them from fully dropping back into a singularity.

This next bit means we may need to look at the matter collectively all schools of thought.

The traveller in the tube sees a massive singularity form and swallow a huge part of the galaxy before the process reverses and the traveller in the tube sees all the stars pulled back out of the singularity. It must look pretty terrifying or hopefully at least impressive. Time while this happens travels in the same direction for the traveller in the tube.

Like a pendulum time does not reverse at the end of its arc because the direction of the pull is constant. Time reverses at the middle of the swing when the pull is felt in the other direction.

So the traveller in the tube spends his life travelling temporally and always seeing light arrive from only the end that is not in singularity. In the centre of the swing there is the possibility that both ends of the tube are in small singularity so cutting off all light arriving from the other galaxy other than from the stars in the travellers tube. Incidentally this would be the point of greatest swelling of the of the tube so at the time of seeing two singularities may stop most light arriving from other separate galaxies in the universe. In effect the stars go out.

The really fascinating part of this is the potential balance of physical strength of the traveller as he adapts over time to his position in the tube. Near the singularity the intensity of the lines of gravity would mean the traveller needs to have great strength just to exist and would by any definition be the literal equivalent of superman if he were to be at the turning point of time in the middle of the tube.

Could the same be said of the intellect of the traveller as the only place he can make use of the two brains at the same time is at the point of least compression and although he would not notice it the closest in timeframe that his evolved brain will ever be. The actual turn point although a possibly disorienting moment has clearly been surviveable because we are still here. Personnally I think my cats are the most evolved creatures they are asleep constantly and are probably in better communication with themselves than poor humans will ever be.

So how do we prepare, well look at the most successful of species and observe their actions. If they stay alert and feed and appear not to require rest then that may be the best technique. If the most successful survivors collectively prefer to sleep to assist transition maybe that is how it should be. The one thing I can guarrantee is it won't help a single bit by leaving stuff for yourself that could blow up or injure yourself if you were not sure how to use it properly. Point in case have you noticed just how much like maniacs people are on the roads these days. Perhaps in our lack of harmony we all just go nuts for the fun of it and the last one standing gets to be the next Adam and Eve.

Me I think I will find a quiet place and rest undisturbed until the lunatics have taken proper care of each other. Practice the best meditation techniques I can recall from Star Trek and be absolutely sure that while the electricity of my brain will take some time to reconfigure there sure wont be any annoying phone calls.

The time reversed person would also be an interesting case because they may die temporarily due to a stopping of the natural function of the nervous system and need to rest a while for their cells to take advantage of the restorative nature of reversed time on their bodies to revive those who survive.

This idea sort of lends itself to a decent place of rest and patiently waiting to reanimate back into oneself. The most helpful thing in this case would be the comfort that knowing you have prepared for yourself to take up the running again and that there was good food and water ready when it is needed.

Well that is all for now I think clever minds will figure this out far more effectively than I can, I will try to produce some more helpful babble if any comes to hand but think that this covers it fairly nicely

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-28, 01:28 AM
The turning point

The description of the stage we will approach this has been described as the first life turning point. A very happy event from all accounts as certain texts describe not only life for all the people who come to this first turning point but rejuvenation and event reversal of death for those recently departed.

No wonder the ancient Egyptians held such reverence for the proper treatment and preparation for their pharaohs. They had oral record of this sort of event having occurred before in their history.

Here I would not like to be wrong but it means a period of great health some confusion and longevity for all who go through the first turn point of time. While the quantum structures adjust we may stay young for extended periods of time, our time.

In simple words this transition is a happy one and something to be looked forward to and is very strong in ancient (or maybe ancient advanced memory).

Our challenge is simple donít wreck the place before we get a chance to enjoy it.
Second challenge is to work out ways to have normal equipment be useful after the transition.

Down side the teenagers may not want to leave home until they are in their eighties.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-30, 01:51 PM
The model so far that I have thought of has no sharp corners for evolution and that is a good thing. The problem that I see is the lack of planning that goes into the teaching of our subconscious to pick up from what we have learned and to continue sensibly on to develop into the humanity they really could be.

The fact that time is of such importance and we shouldn't mess with it does suggest at some stage earlier cultures of ourselves were far smarter than we are but fell into the same trap of not preparing the evolved mind to understand where to pick up from.

Look at the history of polar magnetic reversals and there should be a pattern in series of eight in a fair degree of regularity. The isotropc and anisotropic record should show stages of degree of density change in microstructure well within the record of living things and so another very positive note for evolution but we will need more observation to confirm that. Of course at the ends of the swing there may be some very distinct time line outriders depending on where our position is on either side of the half way point along the radius between the true centre and true edge of our galaxy.

Just take a look at the very cyclical record of climate swing over so many ice ages and carbon dioxide levels and their regularity, well until this one where we brought global warming into full swing. As a note I don't recommend nuclear winter as a quick fix either and if anything would really like to know someone has been smart enough to take all nuclear weapons off line if we ever do approach one of the turning points in time that I think could occur.

The up side of this approach is that if we are to stupid after a turning point in time to put them back online then that is an even better thing.

Time and gravitational adjustment is a gradual process in an oscillating galaxy system with two of the eight periods more rapid than the rest. I was thinking that in these humans become very time and gravitationally compact and so are more like supermen than we are now. If that was the case then huge stones could be positioned easily by far smaller groups of people than we could ever believe possible in our time.

Perhaps talking to ancient cultures of their myths and legends could shed some light on this really fascinating possibility.

Atmospheric conditions could also be markedly different in parts of the cycle and show up in the chart of tree rings and potential rapid development of rainforrest systems. The measure of atmospheric content and the mass of the layers of moisture perhaps in polar core sampling would indicate changing long term weather conditions.

I am fascinated that there is the belief in so many parts of the world of life after death that turning points in time may contribute to especially the Egyptian phaerohs tomb preparations and needing to know the answers for the afterlife.

Now I am just seeing a sixteen dimensional universe is where time runs on three levels, ours, the quantum level below us and in the structure upper levels of gravity. If that is the case I can see cause and causality being really messed up if we tamper with time lines because we can outside our level of knowledge. The explanation would be that for each point of interferance the level below has to adjust and rerun its time frame although only that starting point would be the same a certain degree of looped predictability would occur.

To be honest I think no matter how bad our past any tinkering to correct it could lead to the increase in overall entropy of that timeline and potentially lead to the lowest undisturbed level of order where it gets so tangled that future attempts to correct the damage can not occur because the knowledge of how to meddle in time is lost. In that case a lot of damage could be done before chaos undid the meddling and by some chance the occupants of the loop broke free.

If we live in a cyclical rhythmic evolving weird galaxy in a disconnected universe where we loose our minds regularly then perhaps to enjoy it for the duration we had better learn its tune.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Nov-30, 03:48 PM
I suppose the question is whether the force is really in balance. So far I have looked at all things having a certain shape and harmony. The biggest problem I have come up against is if the weak force really has the strength of the other forces or is in fact the strongest and the first force is how safe are we when we play with it.

Has anyone thought of measuring the physical dimension of some of the large circular accellerators when they are operating. If they were to generate a closed loop gravity wave of even minute strenght could it wrap around the facility and collapse it to a Swartzchild radius.

Perhaps a method of measuring such a facility from the outside independant of the field it geneates to see if it is distorting space. It would be a shame to find that we have a lovely world compressed to the size of a marble because we forgot to install a redirect or safety switch.

This may be truely in the realm of the nutty but it was a thought that was troubling me.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Dec-03, 02:06 AM
Everthing is relative.
If reality does not explain your universe change reality.
The force of time and of gravity are balanced.
Nothing can exceed the speed of light in its time frame.
The answer to life the universe and everything is 42 less 42.
An unbounded space and a point are interchangeable as both have no sides.
Reality exists in pockets.
There is no end point in a loop just where you are now.
Time and gravity could have existed before mass and energy.
The only forces that could reach an unbounded edge are time and gravity.
Time and gravity are charged and conserved and add up to zero.
Time and gravity make a great container for mass and energy.
The universe dances to many different tunes.
This part of the universe rocks in fact it is really pumping.
Good philosophy is just as valid as accurate measurement.
Humanity will never get too smart for its own good, reality will see to that.
Ancient culture and belief can teach us as much about reality as science.
Everthing is balanced, if it isn't then you are equally as unbalanced.
I don't mind being thought of as unbalanced now.
I have considered further training, my brother also thinks I should be in an institution.
If you can't see me clearly then you are out of focus.
My brother and I share a different sense of humour.
Some people think I am mad, I however know I am, therefore I am sane.
Life is to be enjoyed.
Good record keeping will provide more information than observation.
My world revolves around conservation of entropy.
There are some things a bachelor can't explain.
Joy is the best unbalanced charge in the universe.
A good read is a valid use of time I hope this was of benefit to you.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Dec-08, 06:58 AM
Variations in the level of gravity:doh:

I am so sorry I had another sort of logical idea, well logical to me anyway os here goes. If it helps the it is worth it otherwise I hope you find this amusing.

Now if the galaxy can be seen as being in a looped field of gravity then we should look at the real effect on matter that the gravity would have. It may yield some surprising results. I may have to apologise in advance to the T Rex fans.

As gravity will have both a macro effect in the movement of galaxies it must also have a micro effect of the size of bodies. If T Rex was in a very large gravity field and lambda has been recorded as high as eighty that would make our fiercest dinosaur the size of a small dog.

So why are the fossils so large well as the effect of gravity within the system decreases it allows the matter to assume a larger size? Rocks the size of those used in the pyramids could have been manipulated by far fewer people if both rock and person were equally shrunk as muscular strength is a function of length and size.

Ridiculous you say, perhaps but it is well known that all bodies have a lot of free space within them an example would be the Empire State building. Not the empty rooms but the space between the molecules within the structure. Take out some of that space and you have the Empire State building the size of a childís toy but still with all of its inertia.

I was reluctant to say mass as it appears to also be relative meaning that if on a quantum scale the interior gravity of the structure could undergo a gravitational increase it would be smaller and have more mass.

In our world of relatively changing constants perhaps we could find some exiting new ways to view history. That means climate variation, flora, fauna, human evolution, the great battles, weapons of war, moisture content of the atmosphere, size of our ancestors, descriptions of historical events, water levels, lost civilizations, machines and a raft of things to numerous to mention will need to be re-evaluated.

The field of all scientific endeavour not only just changed size it is relatively enormous and something that should provide opportunity for anyone with a fascination in virtually any subject to look again at what it really is telling us.

Perhaps our first challenge in a rapidly changing world is how we explain size to someone who has no concept of the gravity of our situation. What are our constants and how would you describe yourself our galactic internet to someone unaware of your relative position in the system.

It is an interesting thought.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Dec-08, 12:27 PM
Hello again

I think I know why this theory of null tubes is not gaining acceptance. I have just read Mond and Tensor and they try to explain bits of the puzzle by leaving certain items out. Sure if you take away the things that upset the balance you get a partial solution.

Even the famous elevator test in space only demonstrates one component of gravity a perception of accelleration so the observer feels just that he is standing on a base.

It is more complex gravity is a density that goes both ways up in structure and down into quantum. It is not one of the regular matter forces strong weak or electro magnetic. It is exactly balanced through the three dimensions that we exist in.

This is why the Hubble telescope was ever so slightly out when first built. It was not the same size as it was when it was on earth. The density in all directions is very slightly different in space. Yes the correct detail for gravity on one axis was worked out but the calculation was not made that in the plane tangent to the axis the dish grew slightly bigger in the slightly less dense gravity of space. Hard to measure as all the rulers sent up would also expand to give a perfect measure. Gravity and time are separate from matter but due to being the cradle for matter and energy need to twist and push them along to maintain the velocity of the flow of matter and energy.

The expansion we see is simply more of the initial perfect fluid connecting from the pockets of density where time and gravity have not started containing them yet. It works left and right (time) and up and down (gravity). Also as a scattered fluid much of what has accreted is to far distant to connect and expands away but we see them as light travels almost instantly from their bubble to ours due to the extremely low density of time and gravity not currently tied to containing pockets of matter and energy.

This means time is balanced running both forwards and backwards so yes we live in a causality universe but at velocities that preclude us from seeing the other side. So in the observable universe we do not see the balance of time, left and right. As we do not think of gravity as having a density we do not think of it as a force equally balanced up and down. Matter does not crush it is rescaled in size equally when not in the presence of other directional forms such as the attraction to matter due to the lowering of the density between the masses causing them to fall toward each other.

One needs to practice the eye outside the box to 'see' all the separate bubbles to be able to twist them and build a dynamic flowing galaxy left and right in time and equally balanced up and down in gravity density. The scattering is far more vast than the universe just expanding away from a displaced point of initial compression and individual perfect liquid accretion to galaxies. The galaxies one behind the other may be vastly separated but simply appear to sit directly one behind the next and the next behind the next and so on.

The viking space probes are ever so slightly further off course because they are slightly larger in the plane tangent to the calculated direction of axis of build and so occupy more space ever so slightly which will at the slightly relative travel over time warp more of the field of gravity density around them and give them a very small variance in position over a suitable time scale.

Ultimately gravity is density and is seen as the weak force due to its consistancy, however it is not the weak force it is balanced evenly from quantum bottom level of every point in our galaxy to the connection to our galaxy bubble edge and from there balanced towards the extremities of the outer structure of our universe.

Now I didn't explain myself very well and I apologise so I hope this is clearer and why quantum and structure are balanced.

Cheers:)

Michael Noonan
2006-Dec-08, 12:56 PM
The accelleration of gravity belongs to Newton. The deflection of gravity due to mass belongs to Einstein. Does this mean I can claim the varying density of the overall set amount of gravity relative to its position in the galaxy?

Cheers
:dance:

Michael Noonan
2006-Dec-09, 03:40 AM
:)
If you were to put a time capsule together for the future what would you put in it?
Would you be able to define rules for contact?
In the law of causality this would have the most grave consequences for the future.
You could not ask for decisions maybe get just morals or values.
Information could not be given of any new find or it may destroy its development.
From the point of view of the future how would you safely talk to the past.
What would the future want in place?
The first problem is just by making that contact it proves it exists.
Even that may be its very destruction due to making us complacent.
What clues would you place in the past if you could place them to assist?
If this was your choice what would you do?

I have some trouble keeping my ideas purely inside the square so I wouldn't want to tackle something that needed a lot of pure focus of thought.

Other ideas

Looking for evidence of primitive duality to assist in time of change.
Some ancient languages are fairly gutteral is this an example of an ability to reverse sound?
In words we have palindromes so what about phonetic palindromes?
Is left and right an act of perception or can our best definition survive running backwards?
I was thinking the word 'help' becomes 'pleh' which if twisted could be the word 'please'.
Do we have better examples that could start us off if all our ideas are intact just the ability to communicate becomes disjointed.
I was fascinated that Leonardo da Vinci practiced mirror writing and his prime interest was the study of vorticies, whirlpools.

I know this should probably be on conspiracy theory but that I think is the one area that I have thoroughly enjoyed reading without clouding with my strange ideas.

I think the best way is by general consensus where the guideline is to be nice to each other.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Dec-09, 05:21 AM
It is strange but the concept of reverse really interests me.
Why does the human eye connect to the brain without crossing over like all other functions of the nervous system?
A change would suit the most primitive society that had supplies.
An advanced society would need to prepare extremely carefully.
What candles would we used that are not adjusted to our relativity to work out how long our time we could expect to register change as we would experience time normally.
There would have to be signs that we could use to measure and plot the time that are not directly connected to our relativity or we should look for some.
Time equals zero might be only relative momentarily.
Now power tools and cars there is the real enemy.

The society with the slowest lightest sponge rubber cars would survive.
It does mean the death of the SUV or for a while anyway.
Looking at the way people drive now days it wouldn't take to long to wipe us all out.
Mechanical devices to record sound and replay it in reverse order may help.
Eye wear that reverses vision may have some initial uses or population training ahead of time or at least for for some emergency organising personnel.
Which orientation is best to rest in if there was a calculated "time" of change, is this a cultural requirement or a real practicality.
How would our sense of balance be affected.
Should there be a recommended medication if we are a bit wobbly or not?

If when you saw someone out of control speeding towards you would your reactions make you jump instinctively the wrong way.
Hopefully their loss of control would make them swerve away from you.
As one who has already been run over it is not an experience worth having.
Even worse I was unloading it off a car trailer so I admit it was an act of stupidity.

Those are the minor issues.

These may require a greater degree of planning.
Communication may be the biggest problem temporarily.
We may need to have safe items that can come back on line automatically.
The big stuff is the orderly slow down of commerce and its preparedness to resume business as we adjusted to a new order.
World physical flows even if reversed slowly and gently may still have some unsettling impacts.
Mechanical useful devices would be temporarily handy if there was a reduction of use of electricity.
Planning to be in community at the right time would be essential if flight became unreliable temporarily.
The planning for a well stocked holiday just for a while would be even more useful if we are reversable especially if our bodies adapted to adjustment at different rates.

But the biggy is do we have devices that could generate a field that could contain a ring or by default of design make use of the lower energy required to create a looped circle of gravity where the effect could be a mini singularity, not good if we dropped one on the ground if it didn't dissolve safely.

Loopy I know but I wouldn't be happy if I didn't post some of the strangest thoughts I had on the matter. Hopefully it never gets to that.

Cheers:o

Michael Noonan
2006-Dec-09, 10:06 AM
Back at the keyboard and wordpad again, sorry about not having a spell checker when I can't get time to type up the ideas at work. If one considered the pendulum the change at the bottom of the swing is the least varient in motion so the process is very slow and gentle.
Do we have a time in overall recorded history of a time of confusion listed by many ancient cultures around the world. Legend can give some interesting clues.

Again if this sort of thing was to be measured the best place to record such change would be in a lab that already has velocity. This doesn't give the external reference needed but does place the lab at a different time frame even if micrscopic to the frame of a zero time turn point.

If there is a varient that can be quantified it would first show up in the instruments of the lab with the highest velocity. The same sort of use of velocity could be useful in the safe return of the lab because there would be a direction of return or takeoff that would be most suitable for keeping the lab in a positive time frame.

Certainly there would need to be some very fine experiments to detect frame dragging but as the time gets very close the rate of change of varient should increase at an accellerated rate. It would give a much closer to home exactly known source, much better than waiting to get the information from sources further out and of essentially unknown certainty of origin.

Providing communications were not interupted this is the best I can think of to start predictive observation. Then if the instruments are fine enough a virtual exact time could be worked out.
If things did get to that extent it may also be prudent to move the huge amount of space stuff up there to safer orbits. Time to check my insurance to see if I am covered for the impact of space debris.

Safe take off and orbit and return could easily be maintained provided the frame reference is known and the direction of travel is correctly chosen. There should be the capacity for the most reliable part to be in charge. The last thing you would want is please reboot to load parameters when landing. Curious our nervous system is an electro chemical transfer of information at approx 200 mph or roughly 320 km/hr so in the end would the man or the machine be the most reliable.

Since there would be a wealth of fine minds working on something like this if it was anywhere near being a problem, I think I can take a rest for a while and again say that the model I have worked up in my babbling is just that a model and that as probably seen from my lack of a spell check can be wrong very easily. If I have posted anything that could be weaponised please remove it quietly please and to everone reading my babble thankyou for your time.

Voltaire I think said "a writer is a unique individual who unlike any other can bore people long after he has gone"

Cheers :)

Michael Noonan
2006-Dec-12, 01:27 AM
Given a model of a universe where the effect of causality is enacted at the speed of gravity. It then becomes a reality that our existence can be altered at any point due to the possibility of contact from the future no matter how brief.

This contact in a causal universe can take place to the point where the rewrite of the time line from the moment of contact alters the future. Depending on how far forward in the time future from which the traveller arrives determines the time of his existence in this past. From moments to minutes, it would be a huge risk for the future traveller and would have to be considered a suicidal act of desperation.

If there was contact the evidence would simply disappear after a while, very weird. What ever impacts they have in time would need to run in loops until the ripples of their interference were erased. Time then is a system of chaos potentially much like the weather generated models. They follow a chaotic attractor which given the references to our potential future should be an urgent matter for consideration.

Given that Nostradamus was very specific about how effectively we damage each other the weapons of war and the meddling with forces we donít know enough about, to give ourselves a chance this will take brave and genuine working together to select our future very carefully this time round.

If things were great in the future and we knew it was so why go to such lengths to tell us how bad it is going to be unless we could break that cycle. In addition we are to be linked to an animal that will surprise us for our survival. I can think of a range of things that we have data on genetically that I would not be comfortable with as part of my personality.

I am sorry if this sounds gross but this is the setting the model I have been describing runs in perhaps I should leave it on the other thing that Nostradamus left us, that we should try to be nice to each other. This seems to be a recurring theme.

I try to present this model as best I can I hope it helps if anyone is actually following my babbling, so I will follow through with be nice.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Dec-13, 09:57 AM
So I was looking to improve myself and add to the sum of human knowledge. I should have studied hair dressing or astrology, neither of which I think very much of. Of course we may all be right, I mean would sensible people poke around with forces and things they can't control? Right, I'll just enjoy myself a bit while I wait to see how soon I get wiped.

Then there is the thought who gets the baton next. Well the pig gets a run, you only have to read Von Daniken to know that one. I should mention here my last post was in relation to crop circles and so I have spent the last two hours in frustration venting at the absolute stupidity of it all on this poor old worn keyboard.

Von Daniken noticed how some of the ancient Egyptian heiroglyphics looked much like pigs in space suits, but that means they got spotted at the pyramids so either they have been round already or they make it later and came back. Either way their bacon is cooked. Plenty of bug eyed monsters so the insects don't go to well either but at least they have a large variety to takes turns with.

Minus points for the little green men they just stuck out like a sore thumb. I've got a dollar that says Daffy Duck stars as Duck Dodgers and enjoys a run as the star of the twenty four and a halfth thentury. But watch out young duck that sidekick Porky might not be the friend you think he is.

My cat is fascinated by vorticies watches the water run out the plug hole any chance he can get. It's to the point where he will try and bowl you over to see what is going down the toilet when you flush, I kid you not. Curiosity, I give them slightly less chance than us actually.

The horse is out, Mr Ed you were spotted in 1960. I am all for the intellegent mouse theory, but given what we have subjected them to I simply can't believe they wont come back the get even. Well that and the revenge factor, I have seen what my cat does with mice. Now I give the cat's chance as zero, so what else could there be.

Many appologies to Douglas Adams, while I am still around I want to say I am a fan, I bought your books and now have a reason to finish reading them. I would like to take a hammer to that blue police box if nothing else, you utter,utter, time vandal; that is number one on my list. Number two is to become a writer for the Star Trek series and wire all their warp drives to explode the microsecond they get engaged.

I am even not upset that some delinquent broke the lock on my car door to ransack an empty car. Hee Hee, I know something you don't know and that makes it all the sweeter. It wont matter if you don't feel bad about damaging other people or their property. On the topic of those who only think for themselves, I thought it was a bit rude of certain groups to interfere with the rights of others and to abuse a law just to pollute the night sky with light when people with real jobs are trying to count the stars. But then I figured they have the book, the book and given the chance they would be the first group to go back to refer to a higher authority.

I am not saying smart people wouldn't be responsible and that is why I wanted to learn to fit in with this community. It is all the rest that really worry me. So I have pretty much kept away from the people with the book that know it all anyway. Nostradamus may have some good tidal information at least that stands a good chance of being fairly accurate. With that in mind I thought it would be best to let the leaders of the community know there is something practical they could do instead of just finding stupid ways to spend our money.

This is still officially Off Topic Babbling and I thought it might be nice to open this thread to anyone who has an idea they would like to see. I will start, I was actually walking down to tell a politician or some important advisor what was needed to preserve humanity. Yes I work just up the road from state parliament and went to talk to a politician and let them know what the situation was. Got half way and thought I have to be mad, I will get sedated soon enough as it is.

So as ever be nice and

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Dec-13, 09:58 AM
I wont be offended at all if I get told off for this, to the best of my knowledge I started it, be nice and Cheers :)

Michael Noonan
2006-Dec-14, 09:55 AM
I wont be offended at all if I get told off for this, to the best of my knowledge I started it, be nice and Cheers :)



After racking the brain for an idea of how to observe what we shouldn't be able to see, I think that it may come down to detecting the distortion of background light that is reaching us.

If the theory indicates a nexus is in the centre of the joined galaxies then the light that is arriving should also be massively lensed indicating a bending of light around a point not visable in our current frame of reference. A bit like in the dish, how do they work out where to point the radio receiver for the moon landing and Sam Neil said well start by pointing it at the moon. We should be able to determine a centre point and if light that we can see is undergoing distortion then that is because it is being bent by by something as yet we can't see.

If there is a shape to the distortion that may give further clues to the link between galaxies.

This is a long shot but the centre should be fairly easy to calculate as all visable light in our reference should be travelling from galaxies in our reference frame and so at the same sort of distance from the centre. But how to calculate a theoretical mass that we can not see so that it can be modelled by its effect on the light from behind it.

I have probably got this wrong for a lot more reasons than I can think of because it just is not logical but that is the picture so far. Sticking to the principle of posting the hair brained idea because that is what the model indicates and expecting to get torn apart by anyone who bothers to take the time to read this.

I did plan to write a sort of sci fi based on the stuff of giving gravity a speed component and then measuring time as a momentum with units more akin to inertia or weight but given how strange it gets when you try to rewrite one property and the effect it has on the next it is clear this thread is going to only ever be read by me.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2006-Dec-17, 12:45 AM
Ok so this theory of gravity does have a name and it is Twister.
Great, so it has problems not so great.

Consequences
Michael Noonan comes up with a new twisted look at twister and we agree to look at it.
The church which has the responsibility for passing on knowledge forgives this person.
The science community agrees that due to latest results this is a valid theory.
The politicians can stop dithering and get people prepared to move to safer areas.

A new wave of public hate is focued on one person Michael Noonan.
He gets shot. Downside well that is pretty clear. Upside he doesn't get eaten.

The key is to get the world ready to cope with re-education to communicate.
Work out the best way to survive, community groups seem best.
The fighters and war mongers are to pre occupied to save themselves and so become one less problem.

I am a lousy gardiner anyway and would probably try to grow coffee.
Up side it is our turn to keep riding the rollercoaster.
If this is the solution a white coat with a happy smilie face please.


Now do I post this?

Michael Noonan

Michael Noonan
2006-Dec-18, 02:07 PM
:clap:

This is what it has been all about all along but I didn't realise it. There is no
need to put the whole of humanity through the long trauma of time change at
the time turning point and leave us really badly off as the pendulum crosses the
arc.

If a safe corridor just a short portal that could shield the pressure of time at a long
moment from damaging our soft organic tissue is in place we don't have to wait to
recover or wonder if we survive the transition.

It would have to be very carefully planned with total consensus that all people would
move to the future safely even if only by a few months. Early testing and training
would mean that everyone gets a safe ride and enjoys the good health effect afterwards.

Medical facilities could be set up and instead of society having along painful transition
we simply skip the hardest bit plan and be ready and educated. Yes there is a God.

Now I really do feel like being nice to everybody.

Cheers all Michael Noonan :dance:

Michael Noonan
2006-Dec-20, 12:01 PM
I have an optomistic vision for the future that involves all of humanity. We can cut and run and leave but in doing so must also guarantee that we will never return. I don't favour that idea at all.

This is our "now" our reality and has successfully been ours through many cycles if we choose to advance. But in choosing to advance we must advance as one. We don't give the ancients the credit for the technology they could have had.

In some ways I am concerned that we haven't found the artifacts as predicted by the American psychic Casey. This strangely is also a relief because it may also mean they have already been found and lost and that this is truely our time and that this is our reality.

I believe to reduce the weight ot time depth within the planet is needed to have times effect absorbed more safely by our planet. Our spacecraft would have a far lesser chance of reduced weight of time effect unless it could be artificially created.

So this leaves our planet that we must understand, its hot spots like Yellowstone and Lake Toba. The volcano is something that could be directed by an understanding of gravity density manipulation.

Likewise the Olympus Mons volcano and any other nearby mass needs to be known.

Likewise weather such as cyclones and hurricanes could be diffused by feeding pressure of air in from a great multitude of sources to its eye and give rain as needed.

Plate tectonic movement and times of rapid plate movement and the tidal coastal and subsidance associated with these major changes mean looking at all theories.

We also need to be aware of what humanity could have left to help or harm us. Is there technology not yet found, because given the chance we would do the same for another humanity, I hope we would at least even if we had to accept that this time is not ours.

Its harms could be radiation found where a war that is not ours has been fought and so our buildings may become unstable on damaged ground.
Do we already have strange high levels of radiation forming in our cities or structural weakness under our foundations. Could we prepare not only for our future but also for the failures of our past?

I see us as having great challenges to face that require plenty of planning and detective work on all aspects of knowledge both testable now and from a past that may have retreated from the brink. If that is the case in a galaxy that cycles the option to retreat is death.

We can live in turn with our environment and master it harmoniously but only as a united humanity.

Like I said before be nice and cheers.

Michael Noonan
2006-Dec-31, 04:45 AM
Taking a bit of a break from all this to concentrate on rebuilding the links with family and friends because I have been unneccesarily manic in this but am happily well on the way down now. Family and friends importance 100%, universe now well down, life to enjoy day by day.

Now that I am sleeping again and not all the time thinking gravity I am happily back in just the normal 3 dimensions and time now. But of the fragments left, I will get a notepad and jot them down as I remember them.

One thing I did think of was that the change of gravity even on a quantum level may just slightly change some of the stability and coevalence of the properties of alloy bonds so that at extreme mismatch say light element to heavy elemant alloy the known electro-chemical properties may change. The effect would be to loose the precise known nature of high tech alloys and perhaps a noticeable change in superconductivity.

By looking at geological formations details in the crystaline formation may give some clues to cracking or apparent change of property of different elements. So in gravitation density experiments it may be prudent to advance slowly as if critical information and control is based on the same reliability of supercomputers even their values could be suspect unless the nature of change of its components is known to be totally reliable within the safe ranges of gravity density tested.

Stacks of other remnants of memory floating around, gotta go I may get back to posting them later if this thread hasn't been lost due to lack of interest in a strange model of a galaxy spawned from a single rough hand scrawled diagram and from there on word salad.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2007-Jan-04, 06:06 PM
Let's start here, right at the beginning. What are the holes you perceive that your ideas fill, particularly with regard to the big bang?
The four dimensions of space-time in standard physical theory (SR, GR) are three spatial dimensions and time. In what way are these unobservable? We'll ignore for the moment the six or seven additional dimensions posited in some string theories. Are you supposing there is a fourth (orthogonal to the three we observe) space dimension that is accessible to matter? Your comment about accelerating electrons into the fourth dimension using the power of a car battery suggests you didn't mean time as that dimension.
And then the question of numbers and equations. Nereid asks if you have any. I ask further: do these numbers and equations differ in any way from those in mainstream physics? If so, how; if not, how would we validate your ideas?
Can you predict anything that is not part of current theory? A good example would be the masses of elementary particles.


My idea revolves purely around gravity density topology and the idea in the early universe of a pure liquid there would have been areas of lower gravity density which would have favoured the folding in of the liquid into itself. This would have been some time after an initial contraction to a fluid state universe and that since then there has been no major resulting change in the
structure of gravity.

I should be requesting to be banned from the forum, not for myself but to satisfy friends and family who simply just can't understand me. I have to post this but I would get no end of trouble for it.

Having satisfied myself with the picture I am moving to other interests but acknowledge this has been the most interesting of challenges I have set myself so far.

Just a quick wrap up and thank you all for putting up with me, my tubes and gravity density. I am still writing notes and jotting down ideas but as they cross the lines it wouldn't be appropriate to annoy the good members here. I have some fairly simple final notes if helpful.

I favour the approach of Bogie it is the simplest least complete and purest answer and because it is closer to understanding the cold collapse to a perfect sub molecular light fluid and of course the pulse from inner to outer edge of the universe. But I think he needs to work on the material nature of gravity well below the molecular level to better describe gravity.

It may enjoy some of the sucess of the model that RussT employs because his concentrates on the material nature of space and targets more specific zone just like general relativity and quantum mechanics do with lots of potential to explore that particular niche. Then of course there is general relativity and quantum mechanics, they still have many interesting heavy little extra bits and twists that will be found with prizes and accolades.

There is more than enough material in all of these segments of gravity to keep the prizes flowing for years to come but they will never be eachother or the complete theory.

Gravity has a charge or certainly a charge carrying capacity and I think Bogie could have a nice prize with that, why else would storms be able to carry their charge into the outer regions of space. I hope you enjoyed my posts but I have at least five friends just waiting to question my sanity and at the drop of a hat love to psycho analalyse me. One I could handle maybe two but more than that and one of them my boss poses a real threat to my enjoyment of a peaceful and quiet life. This is why I can't continue talk on the bautforum.

I firmly believe the full answer will not come from the mainstream but from dedicated people such as yourself and Bogie, RussT and others, but there is a need to combine and realise gravity is all of the things that are described and more. Mainstream has locked into two camps of champions fighting for a victory they can not win.

It is much like the six blind men examining the elephant. The oldest and most entrenched are both quantum theory with the tusk down to a point, and the general relativity crowd with the ear noting the wave like nature. I had the other parts allocated but believe if there can be an expanding of thought then people such as yourself could also stand back like me and admire the power of the complete animal.

I could post to the moderators again maybe but only if something potentially dangerous like the uncontrolled reduction of gravity density risks are on heavy elements and the need to develop strong light element materials for safest use or that control needs to be done with strongly variable circuitry. Cutting edge technology would be way to unstable in varying gravity fields so very simple fail safe controls are best, appologies to windows. I am currently playing with an idea for a gravity density reduction system to safely decontaminate high level radio active nuclear waste, but of course it would take time if I get round to it.

It would go well with my interest in renewable energy sources and recycling and cleaning up technology that has already had an adverse impact on our environment. So many interests that will have to wait their turn. I think that sentience has the potential for the greatest and most immediate impact.

I am not a scientist so I can now stand back in amusement as I don't need anything for my ideas. Recognition of customers and solving problems in insurance is my job. The thing that really amuses me is that in so many walks of life the camps are so entrenched in their little piece of the picture, you know one with the dots the colour and canvas, the other with the brush strokes the swirls and the canvas that their expertise prevents them from simply standing back and seeing the complete Mona Lisa in all her beauty.

Smile actually it is more like great big chuckles, I do have an Irish sense of humour, who would have thought that this would be a better joke than the Da Vinci Code with so many specialists studying for the last 85 years on this problem to not see the picture.

Briefly what I am looking at now:-

My thoughts went to the story of two weavers one above the loom and one below spinning so carefully. Couple that with the concept of sentient life and all the historical and mythical stories of which the hairless ape is unfortunately a part. I really do feel like the child who upon seeing such a spectacle couldn't help suppress with a laugh "Look the Emperor has no clothes on."

The hairless ape is not sentient, the hairless ape is so far not even included in the plan. There truely must be more in this world than we fully understand. If we were to continue to develop we would probably migrate to the sea like 90% of the creatures of the earth and adapt to our circumstances with an easier life. What a shame if as we gained sentience another emerging land species developed boats and weapons and put us on their menu.

Note I avoid saying God for very good reason as you will see. It is just that I am curious about the near death experiences involving a light. Did it shimmer as if from above water and if we have sentient potential in water in the way distant future why do we think of it coming primarily from above.

Should we be unlucky enough to develop sentience in that way how would we control our thoughts if that was our fate or is there the potential for a species to have a unified mind. Food for thought.

As the quiet little heretic I am I do see a duality on sentience one that uses fire and wind and exercises a level of control. A dominant masculine trait. This I see as from above the weaver at the top of the loom. Not evil as such more a self interest. The only organised matter above I can think of is the cosmic dust in its many layers, but still there is plenty more stuff out there.

The other the weaver below a more nurturing sentience, biological feminine, one that in a moment of our need would touch the mind with the most sought after thing on its mind. The surface and thus the rippling light. This I can identify us with in time as we are not sentient, yet although we are most certainly conscious and aware. But why, if we are killing it, why would this mind reach out when needed. Could it be compassion and certainly mythology has the keeper of souls firmly across the river Styx.

If there was only one sentient form there would be order but two or more implies competing self interests could be at stake. Good and evil are states I can only find in humanity, the good easily and the evil more often in our descriptions of those who disagree with us. Although both forms do exist in humanity a collective mind would need to find harmony or cease to exist.

I suppose the thing that really grates with me is if there is a connection and certainly there is no shortage of literature grooming us to expect the end, in fact whole groups and organisations run very profitably on this notion alone. Why is it that although we are involved if we are involved, that we do not seem to rate a mention in a better solution.

I will be preoccupied with this for a while and thank you once again for all your help and this site for
being so informative. It is my nature to connect the dots and realise that I have to be very careful not to offend. Please ignore this if it is too inappropriate, however I did find it interesting that in the Newscientist article one of the main things science was going to do was put an end to the concept of God and here I am introducing two more.

It was just so curious that the Greek Mythology attributed such human passionate emotions to their heros.

Cheers

Michael Noonan

Michael Noonan
2007-Jan-04, 06:07 PM
I promised that I would not post unless it was to request to be banned because I am a bit obscesive with regards to gravity density.

However, I reserve the right that if something is really troubling me that I must post and this is it. Heavy elements do pose a high risk in a situation of gravity density on the million to one chance that it could even remotely be a possibility.

Nuclear waste dumps by nature keep very large stocks of unstable material in close proximity. If a situation was to occur where the entire stock was to become unstable critically the results could be disasterous if any where near inhabited locations.

More domestically every illuminated exit sign has a radioactive material to ensure the words can be seen if the lighting systems fail. Watches and jewelery also contain small amounts of heavy elements think of an illuminated watch face. How much would need to go off to remove a hand or worse.

The waste reduction device is simply two sets of three generators one set to induct a lighter density to promote radioactive decay the other a higher densuty to stabilise a reaction, my thoughts were along the lines of careful individual reductions of sub critical amounts.

The reason I am posting is just that a million to one chance that may never eventuate but I would rather have to explain that I was wrong again than ever be right about this. On that note of a million to one I appreciate the gravity probe B has pod whatever but the simple fact is that all the gyroscopes were pointing the wrong way.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2007-Feb-12, 06:48 PM
Hello I am back, I banned myself until I cut down on the caffeine. Now this is just my hobby. Since studying relativity I have had a look at quantum.

I know science is the interpretation of observation and that proof is by repeating results. Other disciplines learn not to trust their visual acuity. Have you ever walked through the rotating cylinder chamber and felt like you are going to tip over or watched an omni theatre 360 degrees and felt like you are moving, but you know you are sitting still.

Hypothetically if the earth was to slow down in time wouldn't the stars get brighter and our telescopes see further back into the past. I am staying in off topic babbling because I always wind up here. If the galaxies are in filaments the twister theory is a good fit. It has time connotations and should show a high degree of mirrored results around pinch points.

Quantum is similar take the picture flashed either confronting or pleasurable, the signal seems to travel to the hand recording the scene. In fact the signal is photons from the monitor then signal via nerves to the hand. So at the half way point there should be both photons not yet received and a nerve impulse apparently travelling up from the hand. They join as they meet in the brain but before that they are in two separate places so one of them is travelling back in time.

If it is not so hard for us to see that from our three dimensional reality to quantum, what if it was the same from structure to our three dimensions. We would exist to ourselves only once but be seen from structure in two places coming to meet ourselves.

Sure it is easier to see ourselves as stable and travelling at a regular pace but on the scale of the universe the earth is insignificant. It would be much easier to push earth around than to hyper accelerate something as massive as the universe even if it looks that way to us.

Cheers Michael Noonan

Michael Noonan
2007-Mar-08, 01:14 PM
I have followed rather blindly connecting ideas and finally run into a wall or two.

I now claim last place for the most stupid two linked theories ever and am glad I am wrong.

Edited out irrelevant

Second dumb idea if density and determination are in effect the the system has already factored it in at a pre-determined time a temporal distortion will occur and link to the past and every thing we have achieved will be eliminated either way you look at it. Like prediction in quantum as it is already calculated and only stops if looked at midway where ever that is.

This then sets up the next timeline which within a minute rewrites us and closes the distortion. The rewrite is from that point in history and from that point in the past our timeline diverges. We are not dead, we never existed.

That is the best case the down side is the distortion doesn't close and grows. From this point the universe is very holographic with multiple random timelines constantly writing until a long and painful collapse.

Sophie's choice, no it is worse, try telling the kids they are finished, never existed, no christmas this year and make them decide the fate of their earth mother.

Cheers wow six months to come up with tripe like that, no wonder I got messed up.
:)

Michael Noonan
2007-Mar-22, 10:12 PM
Isn't science fascinating.

The science of brain damage in particular the front of the brain that deals with emotions. A 32 hour delivery could starve a part of the brain among others that generates emotions that control our moral choices.

What my six months of interest have come to so far.
1. In M theory there may be multiple dimensions.
2. The study of twins indicate a natural empathic link.
3. In some dimension each of us could have a genius twin or same self.
4. Empty space should be able to fold in on itself.
5. Like a catchers mit particles capture photons at the speed of light.
6. Slow photons show red shift.
7. Fast photons show blue shift.
8. In this dimension am I a brain damaged empathic.
9. Whales are more intelligent than us.
10. Negative acts travel both ways sewer vs. sewerage.
11. Humans will discover better propulsion and understand energy.
12. Time travel if discovered would first be at particle level.
13. If time travel was possible we do it regardless of the damage it caused.
14. Nostradamus predictions do not identify which time line the event was in.
15. World War 3 could have already been fought.
16. Time is now re running our present because someone came back.
17. Some whales hate us, it is hard to love when people are eating your mother.
18. The universe is burning from light particles to heavy hydrogen to iron.
19. To chip heavy particles from neutronium is not logical.
20. Some mechanism yet unexplained will be needed for trans uranic metals.
21. Writing this serves only the purpose of fairness.
22. Trying to get the attention of those looking for answers is very hard.
23. Trying to talk to those with the answers is pointless.
24. Do not talk about it as fatalism upsets people.
25. Drop a peanut in your hand you barely feel it.
26. Fire it with the force of a city and it removes your hand.
27. We will blow a hole in our existence either now or on a rerun.
28. Time is less wasted if not looped.
29. Galaxies are popping in at one a day and so must pop out at the same rate.
30. There is or was a future where we traveled with whales outside the galaxy.
31. A large enough body of water forms a black hole.
32. If you can work out how light a particle needs to be to not to form a black hole.
33. That would be your dark matter even if smaller than Planck size.
34. The chief scientist gets away with destruction once.
35. Revelations was the end of the Roman time line perhaps caused by us.
36. A structure sent back in time means Nero is 666.
37. Assuming someone advanced we built flying saucers in some future.
38. Because we see them they will not exist, causality.
39. There are no right answers only those least wrong.
40. Intelligence leads to destruction of existence.
41. Life will form in galaxies that is inevitable.
42. To survive to the end that life needs to remain stupid.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2007-Mar-23, 09:09 AM
I donít suppose that for a minute in all of our lethal grocer style butchery of whales that there was ever any record kept of brain pattern or construction.

It stands to reason that the area of our brain that helps us moralize all of our bad decisions who to kill and when does not exist in the whale and that they are a completely fair and calm logical species, unlike us.

If I was an intelligent species and not human I would be terrified of humans especially if the not so rare contacts often resulted in painful death by drowning and impalement as is the case right now.

Further if I had the resources I would happily meet you with an armada to ensure you could never get into that position again.

The question is why when it involves the same destruction of me as a species as well. Unfortunately the answer is too obvious, we canít be trusted. The crossing of the galactic time plane is just as uncomfortable for all creatures and this crossing is a big one.

Just as we will need a couple of months minimal movement they will also. Given the numbers of us and our past record it would be a double slaughter. The biggest problem is drowning but as the coastal isolated areas are almost non existent there is no safe sanctuary for them now.

The preparations for survival will be immense just for us but for it to have any meaning it will need to include them too. Sanctuary would be good for a start and would it be asking too much for a bit of care and assistance to aid them as they suffer the transition alongside us.

If that is asking too much then it is better that we fracture our existence because we have an incredible future together and much to be gained from their telepathic understanding of us. They know us better than we know ourselves. Now donít expect me to go all Greenpeace because they donít want to know we have been led to extinction by a purely logical species.

Given the situation this is entirely fair and it is us who have the proving of our worth and commitment not them.

Michael Noonan
2007-Mar-28, 12:15 AM
It is a pleasure to post in the babbling section. One can be naughty (within limits) or nice.

It would be true to say there are no right answers just answers less wrong than others. The discussion is how strongly one defends their pet theory, I take great delight in being wrong.

This is why, according to my amateur revision of all things looked at there should be a growing difficulty in transmitting data over large area networks. There should be a physical limit to transmission over a great enough distance due to time distortion.

To a degree if the data was sent at a different frequency and wavelength it should distort to the required frequency wavelength to be received at the target. The reply would have to be adjusted for at either transmitter or receiver to compensate for the return distortion.

This means that size and complexity of data is corrupted by distance but also by speed. Had any of my twisted thinking been less wrong the most noticeable areas would be the instability of data from the GPS satellites, the internet having to adjust for shorter transmission legs to keep data rate up and most disturbing high speed moving objects not processing vital information. Again satellites then orbital platforms and finally to aircraft on the direction of the distortion.

The links for this are the position of older cultures in their choice of sleeping or burial position and the continued observation of the gradual slowing of the huge and extremely complex computer network I work with. This could simply be the system needs fine tuning but hey I connect dots and post.

As I probably said I like M theory and I am equally sure you don't want to see what I have done to it in my quest for the most siqnificantly large revision of all things I look at. The good news is the games section of the public science museum here is very enjoyable and has many experiments to show that what you see is not necessarily what is really happening. That appeals to my sense of the absurd. It would be funny if we knew how to trick our eyes and at the same time not be able to see the truth of our own reality.

Would we really want to do the things we have done again if given the choice? Well maybe on an individual level but on the world scale perhaps not. I have found individuals to be totally wonderful but the world that is different I would struggle at the very deepest level to find justification for its continuing existence.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2007-Mar-28, 08:27 PM
Funny thing reality, we wouldn't know if we were just a drone if we were one. Take ancient mythology, their supreme beings had very organic characturistics. They had their own wars loves, hates differences between tribes, not that dissimilar to our own.

For an interesting read try John's letter to the Wall Street Journal google search on "whale brain container" it should be on the first page. The whale has been known for years to have a far larger brain than ours. The portion of the brain that is dedicated to thought and intelligence is more developed by comparison to ours.

Next link Hitchhikers Guide a race that becomes telepathic needs to have constant babble to ensure their private thoughts stay that way. What if they lived their distractions through our eyes and knew us better than we know ourselves warts and all.

Next link Anne McCaffree's excellent books on thought and in particular the shell people able to navigate and effectively the unseen controllers.

Next link Nostradamus read chapter eight, note the spelling mistake, genus meaning species. The intelligent species may be discovered in 2007. After 7000 years people encounter a race alien presumably that we annoy who travel back in time to destroy us. That I can believe we could really get under the skin of any other group we encounter. After all it doesn't take any sort of genius to see we are not even harmonious among ourselves.

Puting this together we would need to ensure we have a future by protecting a past our past because we pass by this way at least the first time around. So how do you re run the past and not destroy the very future you hope to protect. Hopefully the message is with a sentient being or at least telepathic empathic one that can provide the necessary details.

Three creatures whale human and chimp share out intelligence and function to a degree. One goes on to become fully telepathic but has no opposable thumb. The other two are mechanically useful but only one explores that potential, it then goes on to eat the telepathic one and destroys the habitat of the other. As a safeguard against the rogue creature the telepathic being gets the aggressor to build a device that damages time at a particle level.

Sad really, as there was such potential for all three to exist and to advance. If there was a reason to advance it could be sent as a messenge to an empathic group. Now if a messenger had some intelligence and decided not to deliver the message it would be wilful ignorance. But what if the messenger had the message but needed an address that would be stupidity.

So what of this latest rant and that is what if the letter goes in the trash, well that's wilful stupidity.
Problem, not really, the damage to time occurs and the past is rewritten. The future no longer has to destroy its problem, Rome is rebuilt and that is how to solve global warming.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2007-Apr-02, 11:17 PM
I was interested in a mathmatical proof that involved distance. In Australia we drive on the left so that theoretically an anti clockwise circumnavigation by car should be marginally shorter than that of a car doing it clockwise by a few metres.

But this is where mathmatics comes unstuck. The car travelling clockwise must travel the full distance. Although many of our drivers display little actual knowledge of the driving rules, this is where it really becomes interesting.

By obeying the rules the anticlockwise driver gets many left hand corner shorter path assists and so is able to circumnavigate and travel less by significantly more metres.

Even driving badly clockwise like the motorists that Aussies can be and given some right hand corners offer greater potential short cuts, it still can not compare with the sheer number of assists the other guy gets. Australia is not round there are many corners.

Although in theory there are just four right corners to create a square by going anticlockwise the inside driver is always getting the assist. For right hand drive countries just swap the clocks.

Real life says it is a lot further especially if you obey the rules but also even if you cheat. Funny little observations like this is why I find math useful but not the be all and end all.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2007-Apr-03, 04:42 PM
I think in structure and as such should give a brief list of some of the predictive events that it would entail.

The temperature differential in an oven running on a hot potato would over 250 years ensure the centre of the potato is about as hot as the surface. The earth generates it own heat and so even a minor temperature rise due to global warming would translate to massive temperature gradients deep down.

Is there a noticeable increase of volcanic tectonic and seismic movements before an ice age? Do the sedimentary ocean layers show an increase at this time?

If so this indicates that global warming is heating the planet two fold and seismic activity is not the start of an ice age but an early warning symptom.

The next ice age should be the slipping of the Western Antarctic ice shelf into the sea causing a world tsunami and raising water levels twice. First by 16 feet and then on freezing water expands. The entire southern section frozen to the sea floor would cause world flooding to rise further.

The moon Phobos around Mars resembles a potato and is the core of a volcanic eruption a new eruption will project a core from Mons Olympus as that planet is stressed under previously unnoticed tectonic pressure. Note the water that recently was forced to the surface of the planet.

The Mediterranean Sea has either been used as an illegal dumping point for high level nuclear waste which will destabilise and poison the sea or the ongoing activity of nuclear submarines will be the cause or both. Which ever way it happens this is entirely preventable unlike the coming ice age.

There will be water shortages in the future but that is because of growth and development mankind and if it is intelligent co exists with the most sentient and intelligent of all species the whale.

Particle accelerators will become more powerful exponentially until they cause a particle or sub particle structure rupture. This process is recursive until either the galaxy is destroyed or the anomaly is pushed far enough back in time to prevent the building of the accelerator. Worst case scenario it is powerful enough to collapse the universe.

The past is able to be rerun and while for the most part would follow similar pathways will have deviations causing variable future outcomes. As bad as rerunning the past it may be necessary due to a massive miscalculation in our judgement in an encounter with a species that would interfere with our timeline to ensure we stayed planet bound.

The interference need not be of humans but the more important of the marine species. The ones who will make possible all future great discoveries. As Churchill said famously ďthe truth is so important it must be at all times surrounded by a bodyguard of liesĒ. We will need to hide our past human and marine in order to have a future and that project will be colossal but necessary to continue existing.



I worry that the second ice age is from the northern hemisphere as the intensity of radioactive decay will be exponential and so all with weapons will have them go off where they store or use them. Note that even in the early days the British scientists knew what critical density was and so why would weapons have to be moved now.

North America, Europe, the Sub Continent and those countries who have them will regret they ever had them as weapons or as energy reactor fuel rods as the containment gives out.

Finding all this has been a good project for me as it appears I have applied a quantum approach to most of my life as I strive to adapt. I learnt very early in life that good thoughts were rewarded by better ones and positive returned greater positive, even if only in thought. As I work on the phone I believe I can influence the calls that I take. Case in point after a rough morning broke my usual pattern and in a rare turn of frustration said ďbring it on.Ē Well ouch it hit and boy did it hit hard, never, never ever again do I invite that. From then on a year and a half ago I focus positive vibes at who ever I am speaking to. There are a rare few who donít respond and clearly minds far more developed than mine.

I have a strange feeling through what I have read that this will become more evident with a CAT scan. I practice joy and try to radiate that emotion, where I get annoyed it is my fault my frustration my obsession and try to turn that in and collapse it. I have only the greatest respect for all my friends and the greatest of all my family, most close friends whose efforts have not been fairly rewarded in the time and love and effort they have invested and worried for me. To you whom I love dearly for you are strong in love and my word I must have made life impossible as you all have tried so hard to help me.

I couldnít communicate couldnít explain why I must stay the course. Now I know why I had to continue when this line of approach as it shows no sanity save to me.

Of the 36 ways to win a fight according to the martial arts master is by a hundred yards. At this I excel, win-win they win and I achieve distance. But now this is a fight a fight for survival and I am loosing it.

I can pick the look in the eyes in old movies but apart from noting where they point still need to study more to see where the emotion is evident in them. I see eyes but in them I canít see who to ask for help to help me to save you.

Michael

Michael Noonan
2007-Apr-06, 02:46 PM
I hope this may save him some typing and if nothing else provide an interesting case study if there are other cases like mine.

You know the diagnosis of the woo-woo. I seem to alternate between write not write, right not right and the ultimate question of balance. This visit came about at my request sort of indirectly.

I had a day of pain where I could have quite happily raffled off any part of myself. It took half an hour to roll out of bed with a back ache and severely thumping head, various other parts protesting feet chest so I called in sick. The back was the worst but with my track record I figured a problem with the head to be more believable.

I figure I must be a candidate for hypercondria but don't want medication for it. The evening before I had come to the conclusion my brain had to be in one of four states.
1. Normal so this is regular insanity ergo I am normal.
2. Physical brain damage so this interest is exceptional.
3. Chemically induced I don't take any, rats don't like this I enjoy my smokes and litres of coffee.
4. A syndrome, strangely I like this one too, my dementia arrived early.

If not one of these back to the drawing board, would need to consider the marital state then of the single male brain with an end of the world complex. Not good there either, have promised the lovely people at work I will keep an eye open for a good partner. A lie or not a lie, I see many beautiful people who would make an excellent partner. Logic not a lie I just have problems with the truth. Problem what then is the truth how do you know when you are interested?

A week ago I was sitting outside the bus station smoking and a young lady requested a smoke. Her story was a sad one and she invited me out for a few drinks then to go back to her place. Now here is a guy who figures it all finishes this year and so what do I do?

I just give her the cigarette listened to her story and politely declined the rest. I am sure either way the story went it won't suit somebody, the ladies I work with said I did the right thing. It is simply not worth talking about to the male community (in Australia it is called the blokes you drink with) this is just more proof that I am an idiot.

This is pure babbling so I hope not to be demoted to ATM because this is swings and round abouts and may make a book some day. Hopefully written by a writer not me. I follow the logic of an old friend and agree that both he and I write writing, But it is a fine gift that they have that write reading.

In my dreams of twisted metal and cars under water and strange wiring it is a long complicated path I persued like a bloodhound and oddly ended up with the single block nuclear unit that powers the base at the foot of Mount Erebus. The link is to long disjointed and involved a book randomly found under a photo album when I was looking for a picture for something totally different.

So why the psychiatrist, well that came about because here if you don't show for work you get set numbers with or without a doctor's certificate. I have plenty wher I don't need paperwork but today is a good day after four years or more I actually feel ill. I am entitled to a visit to the doctor for that and in the process figured I would ask if I could get a CAT scan to satisfy my curiosity.

I have discovered I regularly don't get what I ask for and am then I am in the position of is this an adequate substitute. Ask for a double quarter pounder and get a whopper. Fair enough you can still eat it. If nothing else maybe this statement might get a babbling reply. Anyway the outcome is the same just the method of looking into the brain is different. I suppose I had wanted a printout.

I have left the insurance game temporarily my heart just was not properly into it. Call it a moral dilema perhaps, selling protection for the presevation of lifestyle and peace of mind and security and that from someone like me who is not sure he has it. I have to press myself to bend rules to adapt to some of my peculiarities and tendancy to follow the rules. On the whole obeying the rules is good great even but when the crossing lights don't activate for pedestrian crossing until 7:30 in the morning and you have to be at work at 7am, you have to decide not to wait for the little green man crossing.

In the evening this function shuts off after 6:30 pm and then the challenge is to get home. I once took a job for a day selling toys door to door in the city. The guy doing the training was going into every door and it was the ones where it said no hawkers that he got his best sales and reception bar two. This was going to pose a major problem for me so after the first day I said no thanks, but if I had been able to do it back then I would have become fit.

Observation is the thing I work on and collecting accounts. There was a story years ago of a grandmother who held a match under a childs hand. Not long enough to burn or hurt but to convey the idea of heat and danger. Not a nice thing to do maybe but that child not hurt would have a better chance of knowing the danger of matches or at least has been given the chance to learn to fear them. When the knowledge of their good use outweighs the fear of the danger the young man makes proper use of them.

My story is slightly different. I have taught myself to move carefully to make sure this rhino like body doesn't break things in just pasing. My experience was brushing against the wood stove pre teen I think. The pain was instant but as soon as it happened I shifted my hand, the first pain gone the next bit was interesting as the super heated skin seemed to flow smoothly together erasing the wrinkles that are the normal part of the skin. My interested observation had to be put on hold as I was moved to the sink and required to hold it under water for a while. The initial pain was greatest then average as I watched the smoothing and washed and gone the next day.

In a similar fashion I learn't that pain has both form and function and not to brush past the stove. I find gadgets interesting and finally see what the woo-woos find so interesting about the Tesler coil. A trip to the local science museum was great the static machine and the crackle tube were cool.
But when that coil was fired up I sat in awe and total fascination. I can see why they are amazed by a thing like that. I sat near the front and was very satisfied to see it secure in its cage. I wish I had seen one earlier but am glad that I have now. Suffice to say you will never get me near one of those things but fascinating, just fascinating.

Am I improving, hard to say but I think there is progress. I had bought three fine gold chains to hammer into a bi metal strip. Thinking about it now if I find that person I should be looking for it will have more worth as a chain than something thumped flat. When the world is not rewritten this year and I am calm once more, I will plan for the future, but for now I just want to cope.

I write because I hope this may help others if they take this path, not to force them down it but that there is a way back. You just have to work on it. One of the big things is not to take the path I have seen some take. As far as buffalo theory that the old and weak cells in the brain first are targeted by alcohol and that the problems disappear in the drink. It appears that alcohol fixes the crook cells that regain strength and take over because it doesn't appear to me to be as effective as those who are practitioners of said theory say that it is.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2007-Apr-22, 05:30 PM
I got on well with my parents. That is usually a starting point. They were and I still consider them the world's best parents. This is an observation of what they had to contend with with me as a child.

An early watch

When I was young I have a fascination with the way things work. Unfortunate for my father as he had two nice watches. I diligently pulled both to pieces and separated out all the parts. Springs and cogs all neatly laid out. Had I been able to put them back together it would have been an act of genius for a seven year old. It was an improvement though my first mechanical exercise was with his car.

I had noticed as a four or five year old that it ran by key and starter button. Once started I reversed, well it reversed down the drive and I figured if I didn't do something about it I would get to the other side of the road. The pretty young girl who was my next door neighbour and my age ran to the window and was clearly upset. So since I was running out of driveway I switched off the key and the car stopped. Many years I confessed my experiment to my parents and was very satisfied to receive only the "look" and the matter was left at that. Since my junior attempt at driving I have not since taken another car without asking.

I did get differing results as few months later as I listened to my father explain the working of the speedometer needle. An induced magnetic effect dragged the pointer to show how fast the car was travelling. The car was an old ute, one that I thought as a large toy for us as children. I told my mother about the magnet then decided to get it. I went to my fathers tool box and found a hammer. From there I tapped out the glass pried off the speedo needle tapped and levered out the tin backing and attacked the mechanism until it released the magnet. My mother was impressed that I returned with the part I had talked about. It was a different response from my father. As a mechanic and an exceptionally good one, he had plans to do the car up and return it to working condition. In fact he didn't say much at the time but I felt that he wanted too. My mother pointer out a couple of times what a piece of initiative I had displayed and someday he would be proud of me.

I am proud of my father and mother and had the priviliage of calling them my best friends as well as the worlds best parents. I think now it must have been a trial for them at times. All was good afterwards but to this day I see a strange worried look from Dad if he sees me with a hammer in hand. If I ever become half the man he is then I will have achieved in life indeed.

From my last counselling session I figured my counsellor is a wonderfully balanced person with great listening ability. He seemed most concerned with the nature of relationships although outside close friends it isn't such a priority for me. I talk a little bit of my ideas but have pretty much stopped as the things I think about can't be changed by any intervention I can bring about. To those closest who worried the most and for whom my change caused most pain, I am sorry. I can't turn the brain off the thoughts just don't stop.

It has taken years to extend my boundarys. The classic is waiting for the litte green man to light up before crossing a road. It took a while to break through but when it didn't activate until half an hour after I started work I had to deduce a solution. Once I worked out this I had to watch I still took care. The truth I figured was telling as much as I felt was necessary but in fact learn't the art of diplomacy and really learn't a convenient form of lying.

When the world does not reset in time on the 23 or 24 May 2007 depending on where in the world you are, I will be happier as that is the time I see as being the time selected as the most appropriate for the black hole to be attempted.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2007-Apr-28, 08:52 AM
This is all about horse riding. Now that I am finally discovering my mind I am a bit disappointed I didn't live 100 years ago. Then I wouldn't face the negligible risk of not continuing it beyond this year.

It would have meant my first vehicle would have had four legs. Now even though I am retarded my admission the first thing I would have invented for these beasts would be handle bars.

I went riding with four beautiful young lady friends, yes I did have a life. It was there I first discovered that as far as intelligence to an inferior species that wretched horse was actually in charge. It was one of those riding establishments where you pay for the use of a hack. It must mean a scrawny thing tall bent in the back and devious.

The fact that it had its lot didn't stop it inflicting its problems on me. My instruction was approach from this side and get up on its back. The four girls promised to take care of me. Maybe they knew something that I didn't because from the start that horse decided to take care of me.

Its first act was to show who was in charge. This was by finding the first patch of grass and proceeding to eat. Well I weighted 240 pounds back in my lighter days twenty years ago and I figured it may have needed some nourishment, so I let it eat. This was wrong of course and the girls finally got both horse from its feed and the now rather sour natured thing, the horse, moving.

The next act by the horse was to walk under a low hanging branch. I wasn't hugging it because I liked the horse I had an idea by now of what it thought of me and I wasn't moving. It job was to cover the ground and mine to hang on. After much coaxing and urging to gee the thing up we slowly made our long way outward. The girls explored canter I alternated between walking and trot. Ultimately due to the nature of my beast, they got in twice as much riding as I did.

I am built rather solid and if this thing wanted to try to discourage me by incessant thud, thud, thud bouncing it was sorely disappointed. I was less inclined to walking the horse than staying on it. I had come along after all to assist my friends enjoy their riding. I am a generous person and once giving that commitment would do it. After all I was on top and I knew its back would give out long before mine did.

The turning point was the best bit for the horse for the first and only time did it show any interest in direction. It spun around nose toward home and broke into a gallop. Well now this was riding and easier on the pants. Its goal may have changed but mine hadn't. I was to hang on or face the prospect of walking. There was a wide track that it could have taken but didn't prefering a narrow path between low prickly looking bushes. Rather than discouraging me I was now firmer in resolve to stay on it.

Back to the path after a few curves and yes I benefitted by taking the path less travelled while I don't know it at the time. Had the horse enjoyed the rush through the prickles, I don't know. But fair is fair, it chose the way it wanted to go and I let it, then next came the log. A good sized tree on its side and the horse went straight for it. I had managed to get my foot back in the stirrup so this should be good. My thought at the time, if you think you're good enough to get over that with me on your back, then I will raise your rating from unwilling and self absorbed to very impressive. At the last instant some semblance of sanity must have infected it as it propped and slewed sideways, clearly not up to it or could it be a new found respect for my determination to stay in the saddle, I don't think so.

Having given its best effort to dislodge the load and the energy required it settles back to thud, thud, thud again or was it trot. We plonked back to the office, I dismounted and waited until the girls caught up. I noted its back seemed more bent than before the ride while mine was still straight and probably was worth the equivalent of a five year chiropractic work out.

I have not put any creature to the test of bad temper or poor judgement since that time even if I had benefitted from the work out it did. Apart from the race track I have gotten more out of horses than they have ever gotten from me. A comforting thought as I chew through my favourite gelatine lollies. A vegetarian never I love plants, that's why I eat animals.

Cheers

Michael Noonan
2007-May-05, 11:53 PM
I should include on this log the very pleasant experience with the psychiatrist. I am still in society, my point of view is different, not self harming or dangerous a bit excentric and like the earth in "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" mostly harmless.

All up a very pleasant experience, one that we Australian's seldom experience and yet as a nation of comedian's are ever ready to send up. I had earlier handed out pamphlets to the effect of if I can't get micro black holes put off then I could try to move Hollywood forward.

_______________________________________
Campaign to move forward the release of the Pirates of the Carribean III

We need to screen this magnificent film early by one week.

Reason :- On the 23 May 2007 world scientists will fire a black hole into the earth.

The thing about black holes is they destroy time and space around them.

On the off chance science has got it wrong we need to see this film early.

The Hon. Minister for Tourism; Culture and the Arts; Consumer Protection
(Fax) **** **** phone **** ****

Make a difference or donate to 'name of global charity' **** *** *** while you still can.
____________________________________________

Somehow I didn't get arrested but got more than a few strange looks. I realised later that the public is as powerless as I am to do anything about this and until the end of my time will not hand out pamphlets frightening those who have no power over their situation.

A couple seemed a bit worried and I felt bad about that and when I said the Law that outrank's all the Law's of Physics is Murphy's Law "Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong", that didn't help them much either.

A date sure any date how about tomorrow, does it sound any different if it is something definite or better if it is just out there unknown, apparently not no reaction and now for my next animal story.

Beautiful very beautiful. This makes pure sense especially when one looks at the quantum world and it is strange but that is because it should be.

In quantum there is the concept of entanglement all things touching that is for instance every elephant in the world connected by the tip of each tusk.

If your world is not happening then check which end of the elephant you are standing at.
I went to the circus as a small child and then came the elephants and paraded around the ring. We were about a row or two back. Then as the great animal was turned by the handler to move to the centre of the ring it happened.

I get gas, I am human but Lord what an elephant can do is amazing. It seemed to go on for ever and I watched as a child in amazement. I hope it doesn't sound crude but these small eyes saw the exhaust pipe moving and then there was the smell of hay, hay that had been processed, a sort of sweet smell but also of one that had once been far sweeter.

I remember a few acts from that performance but for clarity and amazement I will never forget that elephant. If you want a good view in life imagine you are on its great shoulders, sure it is a swaying ride and you may feel a bit insecure at times but it is worth it because the view is so much better up there. Life is like that, not always a smooth ride, not always what you expect of it either, it rocks and rolls a bit and most definitely worth every second of it.

Cheers Mike :)

Michael Noonan
2007-May-12, 09:20 PM
Woo 'w' Woo

Way on out, Way, Way on out.
A fairly good description of me.
1 in 168 people have some degree of autism.
Odds are good given how badly I communicate that I am in that number.

I have been a member of a syndicate that won over a million dollars.
My share $70,300 and I spent the lot, had fun doing it too.
So I include this to show probability also includes outriders.

I have read some of the stuff I wrote since I joined.
That was back on 6 October 2006.
I have an awfully difficult way of writing stuff.
People with asperger's syndrome have trouble getting their ideas out.

I started by looking at an expanded line so it looks like a pipe.
I called it a four dimensional line, that didn't help.
I don't know what you would call it but if it did exist it would be a line.
So any normal line crossing it would keep the same angle.
All the points of each circle along its length would represent a point.

The centre of the pipe would not exist but could have co-ordinates.
To look at it from the outside it would be a worm hole.
To imagine yourself in it you could look out the ends only.
No light from the sides as each circle is only a point.

I looked at a worm hole from the inside and that is why everything is backwards.
Gravity is like a swimming pool filled with strands or filaments of different density.
That is the dark matter stuff picked up by gravity lensing the photos of the stars.

The newest big exploding super nova in my theory could have been a black hole.
A normal black hole that collected the mass of 100 solar masses.
A super massive black hole is different it has no centre.
Gravity flows through like an expanded line so it flows along the sides.

The stars in the filament corkscrew through the super massive black hole 'SMBH'
The normal black hole gets spat out as it corkscrews through the 'SMBH'.
It just has too much concentrated mass to be contained.
So the starts and planets get through the structures connecting filaments.
Black holes need to be in the filaments of density to maintain the event horizon.

This is because the filaments have a twist along their length a sign of rotation.
This obeys Newton's four premises.
1. There is an expansion we can't see (found by Einstein).
2. There is a rotation we can't see (now seen in filaments of space density).
3. There is a contraction we can't see (see my long winded attempt at space folding).
4. The universe is infinite (well Einstein said so too possibly).

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. "Albert Einstein"

Gravity density means that in a real vacuum all the molecules fly apart.
That must link it to some quantum strong force, but which one, it would have to be strong.
It must also mean that electricity from storms conduct out into space via gravity.

Heck it means the whole electric universe thing is a real possibility too.
Then planets and stars would have shells of structure like an iron core.
Even a solid sun surface at 4800 km depth is a possibility.
How about a neutronium centre, now a real possibility.

And why the wobble, why podulation?
How come a gyroscope pointing backwards is mathematically pointing the right way?
Since time is linked then general relativity only works locally.
Also in time it means it is predictable and therefore deterministic, like quantum is.

The only difference is the collapse of the 'Q' bit would have its match in vectors.
Say a collision happened the angle of deflection might vary slightly, like billiards.
I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice."Albert Einstein"
So what happens if He (God) is a billiards player."Michael (aka Sentient Marine)"

It is a game of skill, no less and of lining up the shot.
This is why I think that thought is the only true independant force that there is.
I have read only briefly some eastern ideas on thought and like them immensely.

Here is the analogy:-
A racing car has both a driver and a mechanic.
The mechanic knows the car right down to the last little part.
He knows the strength of each part and where to fit it.
The mechanic is western he knows how to measure the components.
The driver knows the car for the sum of it completely, how it feels.
He knows that beyond the cogs and things there is a synergy and can drive it.
In fact he can get from it more than the machine is rated capable of doing.
The driver is eastern he understands the thinking required.
No team wins where the mechanic and driver won't talk.

The world requires that people be sane, why?
Sane:- is it holding onto weapons when it is clear they are getting hotter, rapidly.
I know people and rather than waste them the bombs will be used.
Do we prepare the masses by showing programs of sneak nuclear attack?
Sure nuclear winter is a solution to global warming, a bad one but a solution.

So pardon me if I Michael (aka Sentient Marine) declare myself to be insane.
I would rather be happily insane given that is by my happy choice that I am different.
I wouldn't want such a sane world calling me mad if I was ever miserable or low.
Washing my hands is not an option really, the world nukes itself it nukes me.
In addition what if a hole in time shot via a particle accelerator and hits Adam or Eve?
Do I only have a saved soul if I die before I cease to exit?
Suddenly 163/101 blood pressure and moderate hypertension is looking very good to me.



I have decided to try some meditation and explore the one influence we have.
I have an itch I scratch it, so now what lies behind the thinking on that?
I carried a fan cover around Uni to get an explanation of the left or right perception.
Why can we choose our rotation and is there any useful feedback?

So much to learn and so little achieved, oh well perhaps in the time remaining.
Cheers