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bmpbmp
2003-May-19, 06:07 PM
also I have no knowlegde of this stuff all together.

n1 from honululu:

http://www.zetabc.com/teams/rogue/nancy90.htm

same time SOHO:
http://www.zetabc.com/teams/rogue/nancy89.htm

coolguy
2003-May-19, 06:07 PM
the soho one is pladies

bmpbmp
2003-May-19, 06:10 PM
pointing out to is the white blob, can that be a brown drawf

WolfKC
2003-May-19, 06:12 PM
I see a lot of specks in the soho pics. None look menacing to me.
I see a typical camera flare in the picture of the sun.

Aren't these pretty much the same pics that have already been posted and discussed?

Greenhalgh
2003-May-19, 06:13 PM
The Honululu picture could be anything at all. I really can't see how the small white flare could be called PX. Seriously, this is desperation. What happened to the undeniable red cross in the skies?

Once again, the SOHO pictures are just speculation from the GodLike Productions crowd. Would NASA be dumb enough to post a picture with something threatening on it? No, I don't think so.

Grand Vizier
2003-May-19, 06:15 PM
The first looks like a camera artefact of some sort. The second is a CME (look at the timestamp if you want to see how fast it is moving - kind of hard to suggest that Planet X might be moving at that speed, I'd have thought) with the Pleiades in the background.

And I'm amused by the discussion Dell has reproduced:


...Brown Dwarfs are so dense they are just short of a black hole in terms of giving off light (maybe a slight exaggeration, but it is my understanding as a layman)...

'fraid not. Brown Dwarfs are likely little more dense than a large planet like Jupiter - and that's way less dense than a White Dwarf, let alone a Black Hole.

Greenhalgh
2003-May-19, 06:17 PM
I do know someone who is very dense though... :lol:

Val Trottan
2003-May-19, 06:20 PM
Uh ...

Last I looked, the SOHO shows the Pleiades in the 10-11 position with a CME appearing in the same spot although this is a 2-D image and the CME may just "appear" to be pointing right at the Pleiades, but in reality, may not.
Also, last time I checked, brown dwarfs are large objects made of gas and aren't invisible.
This isn't the game Final Fantasy, people (bmpbmp, this means YOU), it's what we call R-E-A-L-I-T-Y where things all fall under laws.
This isn't the Matrix, either. Things like planets and failed stars don't race around invisible unless within a CME and mundane laws like gravity and thermodynamics apply no matter how much you want to think they don't.

The Hawaii pic is another reflection of the sun. It is rather obvious.
The SOHO pic is nothing either.
I, over the 6 years I have been writing about astronomy, visit the SOHO site almost daily (via Space Weather). I have seen spirals and other neat CME manifestations. I could, with a few days leadtime, present about 500 pics which resemble this one if not weirder.

THERE'S NO PX.

Sorry for the tone.

tngolfplayer
2003-May-19, 06:24 PM
Why do all the supposed pics of PX appear in clouds? I know clouds is all I have seen recently, but really if something were as big as its supposed to be, all the pics would be in broad daylight, not cloud reflection. The soho pics are awesome to look at, but 99% of the people on this planet are not qualified to analyze them. I love the SOHO webpage, but it is getting absolutely absurd how many people go download a picture and claim that solar flares are px. Maybe next somebody will get the picture of mercury crossing the sun and claim that is px.

Greenhalgh
2003-May-19, 06:25 PM
Don't apologise! Maybe the madness can finally end tomorrow! Roll on sunset! :lol:

ToSeek
2003-May-19, 06:55 PM
The first looks like a camera artefact of some sort. The second is a CME (look at the timestamp if you want to see how fast it is moving - kind of hard to suggest that Planet X might be moving at that speed, I'd have thought) with the Pleiades in the background.

And I'm amused by the discussion Dell has reproduced:


...Brown Dwarfs are so dense they are just short of a black hole in terms of giving off light (maybe a slight exaggeration, but it is my understanding as a layman)...

'fraid not. Brown Dwarfs are likely little more dense than a large planet like Jupiter - and that's way less dense than a White Dwarf, let alone a Black Hole.

Maybe he's thinking of neutron stars.

Grand Vizier
2003-May-19, 07:04 PM
Maybe he's thinking of neutron stars.

Actually, way back, Nancy was rather confused on sci.astro as to whether her object was a neutron star or a 'smouldering brown dwarf'. I think someone must have advised her that these were kind of incompatible - so the brown dwarf label seems to have stuck. Pity - an inhabited neutron star would have been much more fun - Dragon's Egg and all that.

frade1
2003-May-19, 07:09 PM
No, you sure dont have knowledge. Eaver heard of camera reflections and yes... that is the Pleaides in the Soho image. I guess you thought it might Planet X?, or lets rename it, Nancy's Globe. Planet X is 8) R.I.P.

Melmoth
2003-May-19, 07:12 PM
It's a troll posting yet another useless picture. Just like all the others ones bmpbmp has posted.

Melmoth

Peace_Rules
2003-May-19, 07:14 PM
I have a pic of my own to rival the first pic. This picture of the moon was taken may 15th, using a crappy digital camera, you'll notice a spooky red companion. http://www.datazap.net/free/nibiru/PX_MOON.jpg

When you take pictures of bright things, using digi-cams, sometimes the light enters the lense and scatters.

Val Trottan
2003-May-19, 08:55 PM
PX is real!
I ... er .. uh ... I mean look at Peace_Rules pic!
It's so obviously there!

I'll talk at y'all later. I have a bunker to complete in 12 hours.

Heh.

tazmandevil3
2003-May-19, 09:33 PM
You haven't completed your bunker yet?! :o

:wink:

freddo
2003-May-19, 11:54 PM
Hope the person who took that picture of the sun can still see.... 8)


You haven't completed your bunker yet?!

I prefer my de-bunker :wink:

The Bad Astronomer
2003-May-20, 03:40 AM
The blob on the SOHO picture (http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/javagif/gifs/20030519_1442_c3.gif) is almost certainly a cosmic ray, a subatomic particle that hit the detector (I have a page on this phenomenon here (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/soho.html)).

If you look at the series of images taken at that time (at this site, for a few days at least) (http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/realtime-c3-1024.html) you will see that the blob is not in the images taken 24 minutes before (http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/javagif/gifs/20030519_1418_c3.gif) and 36 minutes afterwards (http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/javagif/gifs/20030519_1518_c3.gif). That is a pretty clear indication it is not a planet, and is in reality something happening inside the camera itself.