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gGriffeth
2007-Feb-14, 05:13 PM
I'm guessing all of you know the Mayan significance of the year 2012. What do you think well happen?

This
(http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html) is an interesting page. Its shows Linda Schele's theory on what well happen. I recommend you read it.:exclaim:

MrClean
2007-Feb-14, 05:19 PM
Nothing, just like every other doomsday date. But somebody will make money on it.

01101001
2007-Feb-14, 05:43 PM
What do you think well happen?

I think we will continue to be barraged in the forum by new topics saying the same old things about this date, more and more and more over the next 5 years. I shudder. It's almost spam-like already.

I almost wish the posting software would be tweaked to trash any article that contains 2012 or Mayan.

Jason_Roberts
2007-Feb-14, 05:47 PM
Umm...The Mayan calander rolls over? :think:

Can't think of anything else besides.

Eh, new agers and metaphysical types might invest in the event to generate cash, as well...

All-in-all it's just another "Year 2000 Scare," but only twelve years later.

gGriffeth
2007-Feb-14, 05:54 PM
I know, I never said that it was a "doomsday" or anything. I'm guessing you didn't go to the link I put. It isn't a doomsday necessarily, it shows a position of the sun, so go read it.

Click Ticker
2007-Feb-14, 06:00 PM
I know, I never said that it was a "doomsday" or anything. I'm guessing you didn't go to the link I put. It isn't a doomsday necessarily, it shows a position of the sun, so go read it.

A summary would be nice since some of us can't get there. I'd be surprised if it's anything new though. Last I heard, all the sun positioning claims weren't correct anyway.

publius
2007-Feb-14, 06:13 PM
This stuff is indeed going to increase and reach a fever pitch before H-hour, 11:11AM (big, uh, "mystic" data point here), D-Day, Dec. 21st, 2012. And then after that goes by without incident, maybe the doomsday theories will die down until the year 3000 comes around. :)

So, it would probably be good to get some kind of FAQ or other "official info" about this up to have something to point all those who will have questions as the fever pitch revs up.

There is a lot of confusion about "galactic center" and "plane crossing". Obviously, the solar system is not going to physically do any of that. We aren't due to cross the plane for close to 30 million years, I don't think. Anyway, that would be one thing the FAQ needs to authoritatively address.

The "plane crossing" stuff is thus about an alignment, the winter solstice on D-day happenning at some "special location" on the celestial sphere. I don't know beans about observational astronomy and all tha paths the various bodies take across the sky. It would be nice to get an authoritative statement on this. Is there any such alignment, and has it really already happened, etc, etc?

And then the FAQ should go on to note that such alignments are just the stuff of astrology, and there is no rational reason to believe there will be any physical effects of such alignments.

Finally, the only thing interesting about this stuff might be if the Mayans really did know about precession and have it built in their rather convoluted calendar scheme.

-Richard

NEOWatcher
2007-Feb-14, 06:15 PM
...
All-in-all it's just another "Year 2000 Scare," but only twelve years later.
Not even close.
At least Y2K issues were real. It was just hyped way out of proportion. (which was probably good, because otherwise nobody would have looked at the problem and corrected the vital applications.)

Celestial Mechanic
2007-Feb-14, 06:20 PM
I'm guessing all of you know the Mayan significance of the year 2012. What do you think well happen? [Snip!]
2012 December 21 will come and go with nothing of any significance occurring. A few losers may commit suicide, good riddance to them, just so long as they take no one else with them. Some charlatans will laugh all the way to the bank. A new "doomsday" will be announced and a new round of charlatans and suckers will begin. It has always been thus and probably always will be.

Click Ticker
2007-Feb-14, 06:24 PM
Not even close.
At least Y2K issues were real. It was just hyped way out of proportion. (which was probably good, because otherwise nobody would have looked at the problem and corrected the vital applications.)

Still - they should've done it right because we're just going to have the same issue when we roll over to the year 10,000.

Jason_Roberts
2007-Feb-14, 06:31 PM
Not even close.
At least Y2K issues were real. It was just hyped way out of proportion. (which was probably good, because otherwise nobody would have looked at the problem and corrected the vital applications.)

Ah, I'm sorry. You're right...

There is quite a big diference between the two, and I made a very poor comparison.

I didn't even take into account the "Y2K bug" problem that was inherant in computers at that time. The 2012 issue is something that seems much less substantiated.

NEOWatcher
2007-Feb-14, 06:32 PM
Still - they should've done it right because we're just going to have the same issue when we roll over to the year 10,000.
No; we discussed that very issue in our Y2K planning discussions. We decided to take the risk, because by that time we would have had to convert our applications to Star Dates anyway. ;)

astromark
2007-Feb-14, 06:44 PM
Just as a side issue here. . .
What calender did the Mayans use.
How do you correlate it with our Gregorian version.
What sort of numeric base did they use.
Not all of humanity recognizes the calender we use as its year base.
Who suggested 2012 as the year this solar system transverses the galactic plain. Do some research and you will find this is not so. . . ?
I look forward to seeing your retraction of this nonsense.

astromark
2007-Feb-14, 06:50 PM
If you persist on predicting the end of humanities reign on planet Earth. It is with regret that one day you will get it right.
The reality is that one day a cosmic event will snuff out this little blue dot and all the life forms on it. Being the optimist that i am I trust this will be billions of years away.

Swift
2007-Feb-14, 07:01 PM
I'm guessing all of you know the Mayan significance of the year 2012. What do you think well happen?

This
(http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html) is an interesting page. Its shows Linda Schele's theory on what well happen. I recommend you read it.:exclaim:
Here is the last few sentences from the website:

This essay is not contrived upon sketchy evidence. It basically rests upon two facts:

1) the well known end date of the 13-baktun cycle of the Mayan Long Count, which is December 21st, 2012 A.D. and

2) the astronomical situation on that day. Based upon these two facts alone, the creators of the Long Count knew about and calculated the rate of precession over 2300 years ago. I can conceive of no other conclusion. To explain this away as "coincidence" would only obscure the issue.

For early Mesoamerican skywatchers, the slow approach of the winter solstice sun to the Sacred Tree was seen as a critical process, the culmination of which was surely worthy of being called 13.0.0.0.0, the end of a World Age. The channel would then be open through the winter solstice doorway, up the Sacred Tree, the Xibalba be , to the center of the churning heavens, the Heart of Sky.


gGriffeth, you really should search for other threads on 2012, this has been discussed frequently here. I really like the idea of a sticky 2012 FAQ - maybe the BA could do that on his website.

But anyway, the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayan_calender) on this is actually quite good. They point out that the correlation between the Mayan calander and ours is commonly accepted, but not by all scholars. In other words, even that is not absolutely known.

But there also is the fact, even given that correlation, that there is probably nothing significant to that date, even in Mayan tradition (my bold below).

The last creation ended on a long count of 12.19.19.17.19. Another 12.19.19.17.19 will occur on December 20th 2012, followed by the start of the thirteenth Baktun, 13.0.0.0.0, on December 21st. It has been discussed in many New Age articles and books that this will be the end of this creation, the next pole shift or something else entirely. However, the Maya abbreviated their long counts to just the last five vigesimal places. There was an infinite number of larger units that were usually not shown. When the larger units were shown (notably on a monument from Coba), the end of the last creation is expressed as 13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13 .13.13.13.13.0.0.0.0, where the units are obviously supposed to be 13s twenty places larger than that b'ak'tun. In this age we are only approaching 0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.13.0.0.0.0 , and the larger places would all need to similarly roll over to 13 again to match the date of the new creation.[6]

This is confirmed by a date from Palenque, which projects forward in time to 1.0.0.0.0.0, which will occur on October 13, 4772 (a Friday). The Classic Period Maya likely did not believe that the end of this age would occur in 2012. According to the Maya, there will be a baktun ending in 2012, a significant event being the end of a 13th 400 year period, but not the end of the world.

By the way, 12.0.0.0.0 in the calendar was September 18, 1618, if you believe the correlation. Last I heard, nothing special happened on that date.

Lastly, as others have pointed out, this "crossing the galactic plane on 12/21/2012" is at best oversimplified, if not just wrong

Doodler
2007-Feb-14, 07:01 PM
I'll turn 37 in May of 2012.

Swift
2007-Feb-14, 07:05 PM
I'll turn 37 in May of 2012.
I'll turn 54 on December 24, 2012 (ohh!!!!, pretty close to 12/21/12), and I'm sure it will be the end of something for me. ;)

publius
2007-Feb-14, 07:09 PM
Swift,

That's a good point. The "transform" of the Mayan rollover date to our own calendar is not completely agreed upon by all scholars. Wouldn't it be a hoot if 2012 was indeed incorrect and it was really 2005, already happened. :)

-Richard

Sam5
2007-Feb-14, 07:32 PM
I'm guessing all of you know the Mayan significance of the year 2012. What do you think well happen?

This
(http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html) is an interesting page. Its shows Linda Schele's theory on what well happen. I recommend you read it.:exclaim:

It will roll over to 13.0.0.0.0, just like it rolled over to 12.0.0.0.0 in 1618 AD.

Sam5
2007-Feb-14, 07:35 PM
This is confirmed by a date from Palenque, which projects forward in time to 1.0.0.0.0.0, which will occur on October 13, 4772 (a Friday).

Oh No! That's Friday the 1.0.0.0.0.0th. That's a bad luck day!

Sam5
2007-Feb-14, 07:36 PM
Swift,

That's a good point. The "transform" of the Mayan rollover date to our own calendar is not completely agreed upon by all scholars. Wouldn't it be a hoot if 2012 was indeed incorrect and it was really 2005, already happened. :)

-Richard

Here are some Mayan calendars and calculators.

http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/mlink.htm

01101001
2007-Feb-14, 07:58 PM
Oh-oh. Here's the problem. "Mayan" is one of those rare mystical hyperdimensional ambigram thingy words that reads the same upside down as right side up!

http://www.01101001.com/images/mayan_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/ambigrams)

Oh, the implications of it all! Things like this just don't happen at random! What is this crazy Universe trying to tell us?

Larry Jacks
2007-Feb-14, 09:06 PM
I'm guessing all of you know the Mayan significance of the year 2012. What do you think well happen?

About the same thing that happened the last time it rolled over. In other words, pretty much nothing. Whenever you hear someone breathlessly talking about some recurring event (be it Mayan calendars, planetary alignment, or whatever), it's always a good idea to ask what happened the last time the event occurred. If the answer was "nothing", then odds are that's what will happen the next time, too.

As for 2012 itself, that's a US presidential election year. Also, all 435 members of the House of Representatives and 1/3rd of the Senate will be up for reelection. In other words, it'll be a good time to avoid watching TV.

The Summer Olympics will be held in London.
It's a leap year.
I turn 55. My oldest grandkids will turn 7.

Comixx
2007-Feb-14, 10:26 PM
Sky Dragons will swoop out of Lens Flares and attack us with their non-zero mathematics!

Or, nothing other than a number rolling over to the next number...

I think the 2nd thing is the more likely.

Delvo
2007-Feb-14, 10:30 PM
I have to wonder where in the world y'all got the impression that The 2012 Panic is some huge movement in society causing much consternation and potential for chaos. This website is the only place I ever find any reference to their existence at all. I'm sure they're out there somewhere, but they have about the significance of the Palooka, Mississippi Worm Eaters Society. A handful of isolated fringe freaks that practically nobody identifies with or even have heard of are just not worth the level of obsession y'all devote to them here.

01101001
2007-Feb-14, 10:58 PM
I have to wonder where in the world y'all got the impression that The 2012 Panic is some huge movement in society[...]

I have to wonder who is y'all?

Maksutov
2007-Feb-14, 11:03 PM
Still - they should've done it right because we're just going to have the same issue when we roll over to the year 10,000.You mean the Y10K issue?

Knowing how well a lot of conspiracy theorists and new agers spell, it wouldn't be surprising to see that the Y01Ks on them.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/566/iconwink6tn.gif

Kaptain K
2007-Feb-14, 11:25 PM
I'll turn 37 in May of 2012.
Younster! I'll be 63.
BTW Nothing better happen to spoil my plans for the Aug 21, 2017 solar total eclipse!

publius
2007-Feb-15, 12:34 AM
I have to wonder where in the world y'all got the impression that The 2012 Panic is some huge movement in society causing much consternation and potential for chaos. This website is the only place I ever find any reference to their existence at all. I'm sure they're out there somewhere, but they have about the significance of the Palooka, Mississippi Worm Eaters Society. A handful of isolated fringe freaks that practically nobody identifies with or even have heard of are just not worth the level of obsession y'all devote to them here.


Well, George Noory and Art Bell are doing an increasing number of shows on this stuff now, and they're just getting started. I wouldn't say I believe there's a potential for "chaos", but questions about this are only going to increase between now and D-Day.

Isolated freaks? Not hardly. As the tempo increases, John Q. Public is going to hear about it, and he's going to be wondering. That's why I think it would be nice to get a FAQ/authoritive statement on these claims, so JQP has something to counter it.

-Richard

Gillianren
2007-Feb-15, 04:05 AM
On 21 December, 2012, the South Pole will be as close to pointing toward the Sun as it gets all year! It will be the end . . . of the season, just like it is every year. Also, I will be having my Yule party.

Click Ticker
2007-Feb-15, 01:00 PM
All this talk of birthdays made me realize it will be the big 40 for me that year. Oh the humanity.

PenguinGuard
2007-Feb-15, 05:48 PM
2012, 2012...Hmmm... what will happen on 2012...

I will be a bit older...
I will be living in a new city
Hopefully I will have finally been able to afford the telescope I want.
I will have a new computer...


Just simply because of the last 3 items listed the world better not end(yes I have a sad and lonely life), or I am immediately upon my death going to complain to the higher management of Woo-Wooville for causing a ruckus that brought about the end of the world... seriously there may be fisticuffs.

So lets review... If something bad happens in 2012 I blame the Woo-Woos... If nothing happens I will continue playing with my new things...

These are the days the days of our lives... Lets try to spend them being more constructive than trying to figure out what sells best for our destruction.:wall:

phaishazamkhan
2007-Feb-16, 01:17 AM
I think we will continue to be barraged in the forum by new topics saying the same old things about this date, more and more and more over the next 5 years. I shudder. It's almost spam-like already.

Why not just make a sticky giving a brief overview of the 2012 nonsense with a boilerplate of GTFO or gb/2/godlikeproductions if they persist in such monkeyshines and tomfoolery?

01101001
2007-Feb-16, 02:08 AM
01101001's Semi-Facetious 2012 Change/Catastrophe/Mayan Calendar FAQ

Are you curious about some unusual event that is predicted to occur in 2012? Look for your question, and information about it, in these topics about the year 2012:

2003 no, 2012 si (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=3179)
2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=3181)
Pole shift / Planetary alignment 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=7145)
2012 alignment question (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=9421)
about the Mayan 2012 item (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=10214)
2012 Debunking? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=10724)
Possible asteroid impact in 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=10924)
2012 asteroid? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=13592)
We don't have to worry about 2012! (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=16490)
More on 2012 from India Daily (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=16709)
2012 Completion of conspiracy? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=17667)
Here's what's REALLY going to happen in 2012... (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=18322)
crop circles, Planet X and 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=18375)
Planet X, crop circles and 2012 cataclysma (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=18378)
According to the Mayans, what will happen on 23rd Dec. 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=18757)
More 2012 Nonsense (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=19201)
NEO 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=20191)
Dangerous NEO in 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=20539)
Christmas 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=23941)
2012 mayan calender end of world (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=30892)
Regarding the supposed polar shift/new ice age in 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=31452)
New 2012 threat? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=32413)
2012 look at this thing on the sun (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=35462)
Russian Expert Predicts Global Cooling from 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=38978)
Dec 20 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=46117)
2012 Stuff (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=51021)
Date: December 21st 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53831)
Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn't that already happen? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53904)
2012: What do you think well happen (if anything) (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53924)

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