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Dunash
2002-Feb-12, 10:27 AM
A challenge has been placed on Bouw's geocentricity hypothesis. If the Earth is truely at the center of the solar system/universe, then from the perspective of planets orbiting outside the orbit of the sun (around the Earth), the Sun will be seen to approach and recede by 2 AU over the course of an Earth-year. Presently, the Cassini satellite is midway between the orbits of Jupiter and Saturn and an experiment is currently underway to detect
gravitational anomalies using frequency Doppler effects in radio transmissions between the spacecraft and Earth-based receivers (see, http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/cassini/english/press/pressrelarch/pressrel011121.shtml).

If the Sun really orbits the Earth then Cassini experimenters at NASA are going to detect really big gravitational anomalies. And especially so if Mercury and Venus also orbit the Sun in its journey around the Earth.

Bouw holds that his geocentric theory predicts no such 2 AU variation. If it is observed, it would require a change of theory, and that those thinking in terms of these objects "orbiting" a more massive earth, is not the modern geocentric model.

The geocentric theory in existence at the end of the sixteenth century was a differential one. It divided the motion of the astronomical bodies into separate parts and, as is the case of the crystalline spheres, occasionally required space itself to be segmented.

Geocentricity is an integrated approach, unifying the force terms (Newtonian, centrifugal, Coriolis,
Euler, and even some quantum-like terms) into one gravitational expression. That is, these forces are all gravitational in nature.

In other words, geocentrism is a kinematic model,geocentricity is a dynamic model.

2002-Feb-12, 01:41 PM
<a name="20020212.7:08"> page 20020212.7:08 aka reIntroduce Parameters
On 2002-02-12 05:27, Dunash wrote: To: 2-2-12 7:09 A.M.
http://www.nw.uklinux.net/bbs/messages/3669.html
http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=330&forum=1&0
now pay attention! re introducing the PARAMETER
can mean changing y=x/2 to two formUli
Y=t and X=2*t thus the parameter t has
been reintroduce into the MATHAMETICAL
expresion of how x&y are related OVER time

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GrapesOfWrath
2002-Feb-12, 01:47 PM
On 2002-02-12 05:27, Dunash wrote:
A challenge has been placed on Bouw's geocentricity hypothesis. If the Earth is truely at the center of the solar system/universe, then from the perspective of planets orbiting outside the orbit of the sun (around the Earth), the Sun will be seen to approach and recede by 2 AU over the course of an Earth-year. Presently, the Cassini satellite is midway between the orbits of Jupiter and Saturn and an experiment is currently underway to detect
gravitational anomalies using frequency Doppler effects in radio transmissions between the spacecraft and Earth-based receivers (see, http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/cassini/english/press/pressrelarch/pressrel011121.shtml).
Who is issuing this challenge? It doesn't appear at that link. (BTW, leave a space after the url so that the BBcode can parse it into a link. Even better, make it into a link, like this (http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/cassini/english/press/pressrelarch/pressrel011121.shtml). then punctuation doesn't matter.)

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2002-Feb-12, 02:31 PM
<a name="20020212.7:50"> page 20020212.7:50 aka G.G.C.
On 2002-02-12 08:47, GrapesOfWrath wrote: To: 4 MEN 13 PAX B4 7:51 A.M.

On 2002-02-12 05:27, Dunash wrote: To:
Well it has not been dificult to reintroduce
time into the equation. As someONE has done it B4
However MY QUESTION's this? are there other
parameters to be reintroduced?...HU??
<a name="G.G.C."> _Line name= G.G.C.
Listen? for CASINNI i'll try changing :|({[
to :|({(.{({[ placing the probe already
beyound __^ Jupiters Gravity Grope Control_

DStahl
2002-Feb-12, 06:24 PM
Dunash, I think that Bouw's view is that a change in coordinate system is allowed under GR, and a geocentric coordinate system would show just what you desribe--though from the acentric perspective such findings would be viewed as a simple artifact of the choice of systems.

In any case, Bouw has agreed (in a discussion on this board) that geocentrism is essentially a theological issue and not a scientific one. I do not expect him to change his mind based on any findings of science--in fact, his own writings plainly say that in his view science can never correct the Bible. So is this 'test' really of interest only to those who already doubt the geocentric hypothesis? I dunno, I guess you'd have to ask Bouw and Selbrede.

Don Stahl

GrapesOfWrath
2002-Feb-12, 07:27 PM
On 2002-02-12 13:24, DStahl wrote:
In any case, Bouw has agreed (in a discussion on this board) that geocentrism is essentially a theological issue and not a scientific one.
Good. Was the discussion on this board, or the old Bad Astronomy board? I think this board hasn't archived anything yet, and the search engine works pretty well.

No, doesn't seem to be any this board.

DStahl
2002-Feb-12, 11:01 PM
It was on the old board, at the end of a series of posts in which he thumped me good on the subject of general relativity. As I recall I had asked him what evidence he could offer that favored geocentrism over acentrism, and it was in that context that he mentioned it was a matter of theology and not science.

Don Stahl

GrapesOfWrath
2002-Feb-14, 02:30 PM
Dunash made a post 2002-02-14 09:06 to another thread (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=470&forum=1&start=25) that I thought might be relevant to this one.

2002-Feb-14, 02:35 PM
<a name="20020214.8:03"> page 20020214.8:03 aka Much later
On 2002-02-14 09:30, GrapesOfWrath wrote: To: _LATER_
again I must
resort to updates

Dunash
2002-Feb-15, 05:12 PM
Take a look at Bouw's crude little video located at

http://www.bw.edu/~gbouw/motion.avi

and place the earth on the
post, the sun on the junction of the two green bars,
and, here comes the great stretch, let the hand represent
either the space craft, or a distant star or a distant
galaxy ... .

As for me I cannot see why the
length of the bar connecting the sun and the hand changes
in length. It appears to stay the same length.

Chip
2002-Feb-15, 06:09 PM
On 2002-02-15 12:12, Dunash wrote:
Take a look at Bouw's crude little video located at http://www.bw.edu/~gbouw/motion.avi


Hope this helps:
http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/nineplanets/nineplanets/overview.html

2002-Feb-19, 03:20 PM
<a name="20020219.8:43"> page 20020219.8:43 aka COLORS & angles
8: TIME was not all that difficult to
7:. reintroduce into the MATH equation
6:.. its been done B4 by people whom are paid
5:... you know the old X=Y to x=t, y=t etc
4:.... Now come the Question how to reintroduce COLOR
3:..... and yes while on the topic angle 2
2:...... as? AS I GUESS it goes angle changes also
1:....... youknow the pencil below the water
--........ LINE TRICK? oh well now whats the ascii code for YELLOW?

2002-Feb-20, 03:11 PM
<a name="20020220.8:29"> page 20020220.8:29 aka Yamaha parameters
1:......... recently I aquired a Yamaha SHS-10
2:....... with a MIDI port. [Yes I did]
3:....... {no book of course}
4:...... the following are the Parameters
5:..... TEMPO TRANSPOSE TUNING AC VOLUME MIDI CH
6:.... FIVE(5) Parameters total
7:... with a + and - key in the same group
8:.. to raise or lower the selected parameter
9:. TEMPO of course is Easily understood:
its the old X=t or if /u prefur t=X {whitchever}
No i dont see Color per say [its RED with White & Black Keys]
some prints in green.. PARAMETERS white. {{{ ? transpose }}}