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Roy Batty
2007-May-24, 06:50 PM
"Outcasts (http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=new_sci_fi_series_from), it's set in a future where Earth's future is looking precarious, and it concerns humanity's colonisation of outer space. The outcasts of the title are social misfits and criminals (ranging from "the brilliant deviant to the petty thief") who are given their liberty... in return for being plonked on a nearby planet as pioneer colonists. Sounds a bit like the early days of Australia - but in space!"

Here's the BBC press release (http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/05_may/24/outcasts.shtml).

Sounds like it might be interesting?!:)

ToSeek
2007-May-25, 03:19 AM
Sounds as if it owes a bit of a debt to Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, at least in terms of setting.

Noclevername
2007-May-25, 03:29 AM
Why does the UK get a golden age of sci-fi television, and we get crap like "Python versus Anaconda"? It's not fair! I want a golden age of sci-fi television! I want, I want, I WANT!

Doodler
2007-May-25, 03:37 AM
Why does the UK get a golden age of sci-fi television, and we get crap like "Python versus Anaconda"? It's not fair! I want a golden age of sci-fi television! I want, I want, I WANT!

Lowest common denominator. The average American has scars on their knuckles from dragging, so you've got to create forms of entertainment that cater to the audience.

Decent science fiction exists in the US, just not in anything like a mass media mode of distribution.

Ronald Brak
2007-May-25, 03:43 AM
The BBC doesn't have to rely on income from advertisers. I understand that cable television channels in the US produce some higher quality programs for the same similar reason.

Noclevername
2007-May-25, 03:54 AM
Sure, we get a superior grade of porn. But the Sci-Fi Channel here is a bleak landscape with only a few small oases of good TV. Most other channels have zip. The best Sci-Fi on American television is re-runs of theTwilight Zone and the original Star Trek.

Doodler
2007-May-25, 04:00 AM
If you want good sci fi, pitch it to HBO or Showtime. May I remind you of Stargate SG-1's point of origin?

Gillianren
2007-May-25, 09:29 PM
The only frustrating thing about only having basic cable is not having HBO or Showtime. (Well, okay, it's not. But it's the one dearest to my heart right now.)

parallaxicality
2007-May-26, 07:16 AM
Sounds like ColSec.

captain swoop
2007-May-26, 05:08 PM
It sounds terrible, I can guess what each character is going to be like already.

Manchurian Taikonaut
2007-May-26, 05:39 PM
The Brits should remake Red Dwarf


I downloaded some episodes, it's a very funny series

Gillianren
2007-May-26, 06:56 PM
The Brits should remake Red Dwarf


I downloaded some episodes, it's a very funny series

And that's absolutely why they shouldn't remake it. Remakes are very, very seldom half so good as originals.

captain swoop
2007-May-26, 10:40 PM
Exactly, Look at 'Hyperdrive' a feeble attempt at a red Dwarf meets 'the Office' style comedy. But then, it did have Nick frost involved who, along with his comedy partner Simon Pegg is totaly talentless when it comes to comedy.

Damburger
2007-May-26, 11:02 PM
Why does the UK get a golden age of sci-fi television, and we get crap like "Python versus Anaconda"? It's not fair! I want a golden age of sci-fi television! I want, I want, I WANT!

Oh, don't worry. Once Rupert bloody Murdoch has killed off the BBC we will be in the exact same boat as you, watching reruns of 'worlds 100 funniest police beatings' and such.

Noclevername
2007-May-26, 11:07 PM
Oh, don't worry. Once Rupert bloody Murdoch has killed off the BBC we will be in the exact same boat as you, watching reruns of 'worlds 100 funniest police beatings' and such.

Somehow, that fails to comfort me.:sad:

ToSeek
2007-May-30, 01:35 AM
Why BBC is going back to the future in ratings war (http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article1848240.ece)


Sci-fi fans can celebrate a victory today after the BBC announced that it is to screen a big-budget drama series with echoes of Blake’s 7.

The original series about a group of galactic outlaws battling the evil Federation, which was first shown in 1978, remains one of British television’s most enduring cult programmes. Fan conventions recall the wobbly sets and malfunctioning weapons as much as the ambitious attempt to create a British Star Wars for the small screen.

After resisting calls for more than 25 years to revive the show, the success of Doctor Who has inspired the BBC to update the Blake’s 7 concept in the search for a new science-fiction hit. Outcasts, a drama from Kudos Film and Television, the company behind Life On Mars and Spooks, is about to go into production for BBC One.

The series is being made in co-operation with BBC Wales, which revived Doctor Who and created a popular spin-off, Torchwood, at its Cardiff base.

torque of the town
2007-May-30, 12:48 PM
And that's absolutely why they shouldn't remake it. Remakes are very, very seldom half so good as originals.




Totaly agree, look at war of the worlds...

captain swoop
2007-May-30, 03:43 PM
If the production team of Spooks and 'Life on amrs' are involved I hate it already.

cbacba
2007-May-30, 04:27 PM
Sure, we get a superior grade of porn. But the Sci-Fi Channel here is a bleak landscape with only a few small oases of good TV. Most other channels have zip. The best Sci-Fi on American television is re-runs of theTwilight Zone and the original Star Trek.


Well, there are the reruns of Enterprise - seems like it was better than the original, unlike ds9, NG, and v-ger. And, like the original, it didn't make it to 5yrs.

We still have stargate sg1 for a coupla more episodes before it bites the dust - probably more from the actors getting too old to run around and the writers going senile.

I think we already had a golden age here. Programs like Farscape (muppets in space), Babylon 5, stargate sg1, enterprise. in the last coupla decades provided some nice programming. It's not to say that we couldn't have another at sometime in the future, just that it seems so totally unlikely based upon what has replaced these programs.

I'm sure the sci-fi channel is leading the way towards achieving the ultimate in horrible, bad, inane programs and movies.

Damburger
2007-May-30, 04:41 PM
Well, there are the reruns of Enterprise - seems like it was better than the original, unlike ds9, NG, and v-ger. And, like the original, it didn't make it to 5yrs.

We still have stargate sg1 for a coupla more episodes before it bites the dust - probably more from the actors getting too old to run around and the writers going senile.

I think we already had a golden age here. Programs like Farscape (muppets in space), Babylon 5, stargate sg1, enterprise. in the last coupla decades provided some nice programming. It's not to say that we couldn't have another at sometime in the future, just that it seems so totally unlikely based upon what has replaced these programs.

I'm sure the sci-fi channel is leading the way towards achieving the ultimate in horrible, bad, inane programs and movies.

Did you just say Enterprise in the same sentence as B5 and Stargate SG1? Get thee behind me Satan!

Gillianren
2007-May-30, 07:41 PM
[Muppets in Space rant] Gonzo's a whatever! How dare they assign him a species? [/Muppets in Space rant]

cbacba
2007-May-31, 12:41 AM
Did you just say Enterprise in the same sentence as B5 and Stargate SG1? Get thee behind me Satan!

Hey, Compared to quantum 'bleep' or most of the other noxious toxic waste appearing in the intellectual badlands of broadcast tv - it's not so bad. Maybe it doesn't belong on the same level as b5 or sg1 or farscape but it's sometimes better that startrek the original - at least some of the time. Remember, at present the gold standard for network tv is either lost or numbers.

Gillianren
2007-May-31, 02:39 AM
I prefer Quantum Leap to Enterprise by far, myself.

JonClarke
2007-May-31, 07:08 AM
When I first saw this I thought, "Ha! A Blake's 7 remake!", which seems to be confirmed by subsequent announcements.

Blake's 7 was great (apart from the disapointing final episode, and featured great scripts, a fantastic cast with great chemistry, and some very good ideas. Whether it would work without the original team (I can't imagtine it without Via, Avon, or Servalan). {lus the basic idea has been copied so much much other series - Firefly, farscape, etc., that the concept is almost a cliche now.

Jon

SeanF
2007-May-31, 02:12 PM
Remember, at present the gold standard for network tv is either lost or numbers.
Um, Heroes? :)

captain swoop
2007-May-31, 03:06 PM
The disappointing last episode was a quick rewrite in a fit of pique by Terry Nation when he was told there wouldn't be another series. Well, there were prob morepeople appearing in it than watching it at the time.

ToSeek
2007-May-31, 04:02 PM
The disappointing last episode was a quick rewrite in a fit of pique by Terry Nation when he was told there wouldn't be another series. Well, there were prob morepeople appearing in it than watching it at the time.

Um, Terry Nation had moved to Los Angeles by that time and no longer had any direct involvement with the series. Chris Boucher, the script editor, wrote the final episode. And the average number of viewers during the final season was 8.5 million.

cbacba
2007-Jun-01, 07:44 PM
Um, Heroes? :)

it remains to be seen whether it survives to a second season. It's definitely bad enough to.

parallaxicality
2007-Jun-01, 08:20 PM
It's interesting how subjective these opinions are; I personally think that Heroes, while getting tediouser and tediouser, is still more exciting then the interminable baithook that is Lost.

Roy Batty
2007-Jun-01, 10:10 PM
Eh hem, yes these opinions are definitely subjective, I think Heroes is pretty damned good :)
Btw sorry to inform you cbacba, but series 2 is already a definite :D

Gillianren
2007-Jun-02, 05:21 AM
I don't watch any of 'em. The only new show I watch with any regularity is MythBusters, though Crossing Jordan, Law & Order, and Good Eats are ones I'll watch if they're on and I'm in the mood. Mostly, I watch movies.

cbacba
2007-Jun-05, 09:32 PM
Eh hem, yes these opinions are definitely subjective, I think Heroes is pretty damned good :)
Btw sorry to inform you cbacba, but series 2 is already a definite :D

heroes is total fantasy, not science fiction, complete with a dose of comic book philosophy narrated in and stereotypical bad guys. I guess there's no accounting for taste or a lack there of. If tv gets any worse than what it is at present, I'm cancelling my sat dish service.

Fortunately, if any aliens existed that picked up our TV signals, earth's rotation would keep them from gaining any information about us. Otherwise, they'd send us a doomsday weapon for first contact.

Dave Mitsky
2007-Jun-05, 09:48 PM
it remains to be seen whether it survives to a second season. It's definitely bad enough to.

Heroes has garnered very good ratings. In fact, it's one of NBC's few hit shows. Since it has already been renewed, it will be returning for a second season. IMO, it's a far better show than I ever expected it to be.

http://www.tv.com/story/6868.html

http://popculturewilleatitself.com/tv/2007/01/19/heroes-renewed-for-a-second-season/

Dave Mitsky

pzkpfw
2007-Jun-06, 12:53 AM
heroes ... stereotypical bad guys.

(my bold)

I wonder if the Heroes you get there is not the one we get here?


Gillian: Good eats (one of my favourites too) was partially spoiled for me by the "behind the scenes" episode. e.g. I can no longer listen to Alton say "I always prefer...".
I never watch "The making of [movie name here]" programs. Who knew it applied to cooking shows too?

Gillianren
2007-Jun-06, 03:07 AM
Gillian: Good eats (one of my favourites too) was partially spoiled for me by the "behind the scenes" episode. e.g. I can no longer listen to Alton say "I always prefer...".
I never watch "The making of [movie name here]" programs. Who knew it applied to cooking shows too?

I only saw about the last half of that. W is his chiropractor?

cbacba
2007-Jun-06, 08:05 PM
(my bold)

I wonder if the Heroes you get there is not the one we get here?


Gillian: Good eats (one of my favourites too) was partially spoiled for me by the "behind the scenes" episode. e.g. I can no longer listen to Alton say "I always prefer...".
I never watch "The making of [movie name here]" programs. Who knew it applied to cooking shows too?

well it is the one on nbc. It's about genetically altered dweebs who have various super powers - like flying, popping through time, turning invisible, causing fusion or fission reactions, yada yada yada (to borrow a term from a rancid sitcomm that failed to get cancelled for almost a decade).

ToSeek
2007-Jun-06, 08:06 PM
stereotypical bad guys

Like the one who has his memory erased rather than risk betraying his (adopted) daughter? I don't think so.

Noclevername
2007-Jun-06, 08:18 PM
Like the one who has his memory erased rather than risk betraying his (adopted) daughter? I don't think so.

Not to mention letting himself be shot!

SeanF
2007-Jun-06, 08:40 PM
Like the one who has his memory erased rather than risk betraying his (adopted) daughter? I don't think so.
And both the Haitian and Claude were people who also seemed to "change sides" over time. Hiro's dad, for that matter. And Nathan. Even Sylar came across somewhat sympathetically in an episode or two.

I do wonder, though, if cpacba isn't a little behind in the episodes and hasn't seen the full arcs of some of these characters.

Noclevername
2007-Jun-06, 08:48 PM
Even Linderman thought he was doing the right thing. Sylar just wanted to be "special". None of the bad guys thought they were bad, they all had reasons (or excuses) for what they were doing, which makes them fairly realistic characters in my book.

ToSeek
2007-Jun-07, 09:32 PM
Yes, no one's evil in their own mind. Whenever I write a villain, they generally just turn out to be based on me in a really bad mood. ;)

Gillianren
2007-Jun-08, 09:17 AM
Yes, no one's evil in their own mind. Whenever I write a villain, they generally just turn out to be based on me in a really bad mood. ;)

My first supervillain was pretty much just pure evil. I got bored with him; I had him locked up. (No escapes, either; he's guarded better than most supervillains.) His partner was killed. (No resurrections, either.) My current main villain is complex and interesting. He's pretty sure he's a sociopath, but he really doesn't care. The superhumans will all be better off when he's in charge anyway, and who cares about those who disagree with him? Clearly, they're just doing it for spite and should be shown the error of their ways in the messiest fashion possible, just to show the others.

Noclevername
2007-Jun-08, 11:53 PM
The superhumans will all be better off when he's in charge anyway, and who cares about those who disagree with him? Clearly, they're just doing it for spite and should be shown the error of their ways in the messiest fashion possible, just to show the others.


Hmm, is he based on any current political leaders?

(I know, I know--:silenced:)

Van Rijn
2007-Jun-09, 12:29 AM
Syler went around killing to gain power. Linderman was trying to get total political power and was willing to do anything. He said he had justification, but he didn't demonstrate it. They both seemed pretty stereotypical. Linderman might have been less a stereotype if they had shown some justification (say, "visions" of a world war if nothing was done).

Noclevername
2007-Jun-09, 12:40 AM
Syler went around killing to gain power. Linderman was trying to get total political power and was willing to do anything. He said he had justification, but he didn't demonstrate it.

Both of these are things that a lot of people have done and are doing
in the real world.

ADDED: How exactly do you know that's what Linderman's true motivation was?

Van Rijn
2007-Jun-09, 12:45 AM
Both of these are things that a lot of people have done and are doing
in the real world.

Sounds like a stereotype.

Noclevername
2007-Jun-09, 12:46 AM
Sounds like a stereotype.

In what way?

Van Rijn
2007-Jun-09, 01:17 AM
From here:

http://www.answers.com/stereotype&r=67

A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.

Van Rijn
2007-Jun-09, 01:22 AM
ADDED: How exactly do you know that's what Linderman's true motivation was?

That's the problem. There was little actual detail about his character. Syler was a pretty stereotypical physical Evil Badguy. Linderman was a pretty stereotypical manipulative Evil Badguy.

Noclevername
2007-Jun-09, 01:34 AM
Okay, I guess I just have a different standard of stereotypicality than you do. I find their motivations all too believeable (maybe its the cheesy, over-the-top, scene-chewing acting that makes you see them as stereotypes).

Gillianren
2007-Jun-09, 04:15 AM
Hmm, is he based on any current political leaders?

(I know, I know--:silenced:)

Strangely, no; I developed him before "current political leaders" came to power.

publiusr
2007-Jun-09, 07:10 PM
Okay, I guess I just have a different standard of stereotypicality than you do. I find their motivations all too believeable (maybe its the cheesy, over-the-top, scene-chewing acting that makes you see them as stereotypes).


That's to be expected, if your believe the book "36 dramatic situations"

The villain from Firefly was interesting (the movie)

eburacum45
2007-Jun-10, 10:11 AM
If the production team of Spooks and 'Life on amrs' are involved I hate it already.

Didn't like Spooks; but thought Life on Mars was brillant. But then I remmber the Seventies all too clearly.

I've been wishing for a hi-concept series set in the pioneering phase of the exploration of the solar system for a long time. The only series that resembled my ideal was Starcops, but that had cardboard production values.

The idea of outcasts is a good one too. In a couple of hundred years time, just when the colonisation of the solar system might be getting under way in earnest, the Earth could be a stifiling place to live, what with global warming, overpopulation and ubiquitous surveillance to combat the ever-present threat of terrorism. So some people might want to escape from that; others might be sentenced to transportation as an alternative to community service sentences.

However this might not be the series I'm looking for; colonists on a 'nearby planet', eh? I guess that doesn't mean Mars or Venus, then.

Just how many light years away is nearby? Please don't say they have faster-than-light-drives and social outcasts who have access to such devices...