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banquo's_bumble_puppy
2007-Jun-20, 05:53 PM
By this I mean showing movies/shows that don't have much if anything at all to do with the network's theme, ie. The History Channel showing "Planet of the Apes" or CSI episodes....Is it because they can get these programs cheaply? Aren't their rules against this sort of thing, ie. CRTC?

banquo's_bumble_puppy
2007-Jun-20, 05:54 PM
ps/maybe this should go under OT Babbling

NEOWatcher
2007-Jun-20, 06:00 PM
By this I mean showing movies/shows that don't have much if anything at all to do with the network's theme, ie. The History Channel showing "Planet of the Apes" or CSI episodes....Is it because they can get these programs cheaply? Aren't their rules against this sort of thing, ie. CRTC?
Considering there are some threads and rants on this already...I would say, "yes".

Rules...What rules? It's advertising... and as long as there are some shows that fit the format, then there's nothing that can be said.
Besides, whose going to take the trouble to sue for false advertising? Another channel doing the same thing?

We have a local news station claiming "honest, fair, everywhere", and they are the most one sided, fear mongering, inept station of the 4 local ones. (IMO of course).

peteshimmon
2007-Jun-20, 06:11 PM
It is inevitable I suppose with specialisation
like that. Actually I would like a channel
devoted to not putting upsetting images on.
I was getting down to a meal at lunchtime and
looked through the channels. I caught those
two ladies cleaning an extremely filthy toilet!
We need a Quiet or Quality channel with no
presenters under 45, all credits of shows to
run without voiceovers or video graphics
overlaid (they are actually putting them before
the end of the show!), No drumming, volume
unchanged for adverts, adverts only accepted
with strict rules for the intelligence of the
viewers being respected, no drumming, News
programs ignoring any stories of Big C (zodiac
sign after Taurus), etc. When such a channel
is established and has 60% of viewers there
will be many malicious picture editors and
producers on the streets at last!

Tucson_Tim
2007-Jun-20, 06:21 PM
It is inevitable I suppose with specialisation
like that. Actually I would like a channel
devoted to not putting upsetting images on.
I was getting down to a meal at lunchtime and
looked through the channels. I caught those
two ladies cleaning an extremely filthy toilet!
We need a Quiet or Quality channel with no
presenters under 45, all credits of shows to
run without voiceovers or video graphics
overlaid (they are actually putting them before
the end of the show!), No drumming, volume
unchanged for adverts, adverts only accepted
with strict rules for the intelligence of the
viewers being respected, no drumming, News
programs ignoring any stories of Big C (zodiac
sign after Taurus), etc. When such a channel
is established and has 60% of viewers there
will be many malicious picture editors and
producers on the streets at last!

That would be in Utopia - ain't gonna happen. :sad:

I especially dislike the graphics that popup every 5 mins or so during the program. :mad:

Parrothead
2007-Jun-20, 06:23 PM
IIRC, History Television is an Alliance Atlantis channel, CSI and it's franchises are partly developed by Alliance Atlantis. Though it may not fit the format, it's probably just a matter of programming shows that are owned by the parent company.

Doodler
2007-Jun-20, 10:09 PM
The only rule is to use your flagship whores to the best of their ability to earn dollars. If not from contracts with the cable companies, through advertisers.

Once upon a time, cable TV was supposed to be free of the tyrrany of advertising because we bloody paid for it. The problem arose when the cable networks discovered that the population was willing to tolerate the re-infestation of commercials into their paid programming, and they started double dipping.

Tucson_Tim
2007-Jun-20, 11:55 PM
Once upon a time, cable TV was supposed to be free of the tyrrany of advertising because we bloody paid for it. The problem arose when the cable networks discovered that the population was willing to tolerate the re-infestation of commercials into their paid programming, and they started double dipping.

I remember when I first started watching cable TV. On HBO, if there was time between one movie and the next, they inserted a short. Now, no matter how much time they have between movies, it's non-stop advertisement for the up-coming movies and series. And, they talk and show graphics during the closing credits. Disgusting. :mad:

Gillianren
2007-Jun-21, 02:57 AM
I think it ought to be illegal to do anything to make end credits harder to read than watching the same movie on your TV on DVD or VHS would be.

SkepticJ
2007-Jun-21, 03:16 AM
I remember when I first started watching cable TV. On HBO, if there was time between one movie and the next, they inserted a short. Now, no matter how much time they have between movies, it's non-stop advertisement for the up-coming movies and series. And, they talk and show graphics during the closing credits. Disgusting. :mad:

Hey, there was a time when if you went to the movies you weren't bombarded with advertisements before the movie started. You got to watch a well-made cartoon. That's where all those Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Tom and Jerry etc. cartoons originally came from.

Tucson_Tim
2007-Jun-21, 03:44 AM
Hey, there was a time when if you went to the movies you weren't bombarded with advertisements before the movie started. You got to watch a well-made cartoon. That's where all those Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Tom and Jerry etc. cartoons originally came from.

Yes, sadly I also remember that. :sad:

Gillianren
2007-Jun-21, 04:43 AM
Meet the Robinsons had a cartoon at the beginning. An actual by-Gods Chip 'n' Dale cartoon from the original days of 3D, yet. (And, of course, there were previews almost as soon as there were movies.)

Which brings up another thing that irritates me--what's the deal with Disney? They have this huge vault of great, classic programming, but they feel the need to play the same episode of That's So Raven three times a day?

SkepticJ
2007-Jun-21, 06:10 AM
I've wondered how Disney creates sequels to movies that are fifty-years-old--and those movies based on centuries-old tales that end with "happily ever after"--and manage to sleep at night. I guess the pillows stuffed with $20s help.

novaderrik
2007-Jun-21, 06:18 AM
how long before pay radio goes the way of pay tv?
i remember when all those cable channels used to either have programming on all night, or go off the air for a few hours.
now, you get to see some guy that looks like he came straight outta the trailer park with his slicked back mullet telling you how to keep your colon healthy- you know you've seen him- and Kevin Trudeau telling you how evil and corrupt the American drug companies are, and how he has a cure for EVERYTHING in his new book..

Maksutov
2007-Jun-21, 08:56 AM
That would be in Utopia - ain't gonna happen. :sad:

I especially dislike the graphics that popup every 5 mins or so during the program. :mad:I eventually refuse to watch channels that do that, especially the popups with sound effects that blot out the dialog of what you're trying to hear as well as an increasingly larger part of the image.

When I reach my limit I send off emails to the cable co. and the channel explaining why that channel is now on my ignore list.

Re what Doodler said, I recall the late 70s/early 80s when the cable companies said, "Hey, sign up! No commercials!". Now if you're unfortunate enough to work second shift and are up in the wee hours just about all you get to see are completely worthless infomercials, which you're paying for!

DVDs! Ah!

BTW, the ad craze has of course infected those too, but I have software that removes everything except what I want to see.

Tucson_Tim
2007-Jun-21, 02:17 PM
Another couple of peeves . . .

Superman Returns premiered this past weekend on cable (not pay-per-view) and did they show it in letterbox/widescreen mode? No. Not one time. Nowadays, I usually buy the DVD for movies that I'm looking forward to seeing.

TV sitcoms and series are now encroaching on what was "only movies" programming. The only difference I see in this drek is the addition of violence, profanity, and nudity. But basically the same crap.

TV commercials are not far behind.

Mak, I'm glad you send off e-mails - I'm just too damn lazy and apathetic. :sad:

weatherc
2007-Jun-21, 02:25 PM
I would cancel cable altogether, but I enjoy Food Network too much, and it's not available with the basic cable package in my area. :sad:

NEOWatcher
2007-Jun-21, 02:49 PM
Hey, there was a time when if you went to the movies you weren't bombarded with advertisements before the movie started.
It was also a major medium where you had newsreels and such.

Buy the way, didn't they always have that dancing drink. Let's all go to the snack bar, la, la la.


Which brings up another thing that irritates me--what's the deal with Disney? They have this huge vault of great, classic programming, but they feel the need to play the same episode of That's So Raven three times a day?
I hear that one explained when they pulled that stuff off the late night. But; it made no sense to me, so I can't remember.

Didn't they even call it the Disney vault?

Gillianren
2007-Jun-21, 07:16 PM
I hear that one explained when they pulled that stuff off the late night. But; it made no sense to me, so I can't remember.

Didn't they even call it the Disney vault?

Vault Disney, but yeah. I mean, seriously--if your child is up at 3 AM watching The Suite Life of Zack and Cody, you're a bad parent and ought to put your child to bed easily six hours earlier. The late night should be for grownups, or at least college students, like Adult Swim over on Cartoon Network. (And why has Cartoon Network started to play the occasional live-action movie?)

Unfortunately, I like Law & Order too much to give up TNT. I'll buy it on DVD when I can, but it's pretty low on my list, because I can watch it on TV, which I cannot do with Slings & Arrows or The Muppet Show. (Or even Dexter, because I don't get Showtime.) I do, however, wish that they'd stop doing that The Closer ad over the show where she shines a flashlight at you. I'm never going to watch that show again, no matter what ads they throw at me, and I'd really like to actually be able to read the opening list of guest stars; there's often someone pretty interesting in it that I won't know to watch for otherwise--like Kevin Smith!

Noclevername
2007-Jun-21, 07:36 PM
(And why has Cartoon Network started to play the occasional live-action movie?)
Because they can. And they've started filling Adult Swim now with Z-grade live-action "parodies", or whatever they are, because a videocamera, a green-screen and whoever's in the office that day is cheaper than cartoons. :mad:

Doodler
2007-Jun-21, 10:06 PM
I would cancel cable altogether, but I enjoy Food Network too much, and it's not available with the basic cable package in my area. :sad:

I actually tried cancelling my Cable TV altogether when my family moved out this past weekend.

I only needed the phone and the internet, but it turns out, with basic cable ($13), my internet is $45. Without it, its $66. The phone is $38 either way.

I just shook my head and downgraded it from digital...

peteshimmon
2007-Jun-23, 08:39 PM
One thing that has come a cropper over here is
the TV quiz racket. Actually a phone-in lottery
but dressed up as a skill thing with a simple
question, ie What is the first letter of the
alphabet, 1, a; 2, b or 3, c? Well they were
canvessing calls but choosing the winner early
letting many waste their 1 phoning. Someone
went to a tabloid about it and it all blew up.
A few COA e-mails composed and sent apparently
but not very convincing. And I wait patiently
for news about Police investigations:) Has
there been similar phone in quizes on US
broadcasts. It seems there are are more healthy
laws about gambling over there where you have
to go in person to gamble. And any internet
gambling boss who sets foot in the USA is
detained. Heh Heh.

Jim
2007-Jun-23, 09:39 PM
I think it ought to be illegal to do anything to make end credits harder to read than watching the same movie on your TV on DVD or VHS would be.
and

I do, however, wish that they'd stop doing that The Closer ad over the show where she shines a flashlight at you.

Ah, these are two of my favorite pet peeves!

Union contracts say the network must run the credits, but they don't say how big or fast they must run them. You need to be a speed reader with a magnifying glass these days to find out who played what role.

And, it's not just The Closer (good show, love Kyra Sedgewick's character). Lots of programs pull that one, some even use annoying sound effects. It distracts from the actual show, for Pete's sake!

Hey, maybe we could get why06 to start a Viewers' Union?

Gillianren
2007-Jun-24, 03:20 AM
I'm becoming a Cranky Old Film Buff. It's rather astonishing, actually; I don't look like Roger Ebert!

Noclevername
2007-Jun-24, 06:54 AM
And, it's not just The Closer (good show, love Kyra Sedgewick's character). Lots of programs pull that one, some even use annoying sound effects. It distracts from the actual show, for Pete's sake!

Hear, hear. Why take up a third of the screen with an ad for a show that they advertise twice per commercial break anyway? And almost always hideously mistimed, ruining dramatic scenes. Enough already! :hand:

Dave Mitsky
2007-Jun-24, 09:54 PM
I think it ought to be illegal to do anything to make end credits harder to read than watching the same movie on your TV on DVD or VHS would be.

I'd like to be able to read the end credits too.

Dave Mitsky

peteshimmon
2007-Jun-26, 05:49 PM
One last mutter on these matters, I find the
teletext on the new digital terestrial channels
is rubbish. Which is weird because it should
be an improvement on the old analogue signals.
Why? I wanted better responce times on the old
teletext and more memory would have provided it.
There is much useful stuff like listings,
weather forecasts, news etc. There could have
been a "flick through" mode that printed every
other page as sent letting you pause at anything
that looked good. And subpages held in memory
with the local news from other regions. I wonder
if vested interests in old media have pulled
strings to subjugate this useful communications
channel.

Tucson_Tim
2007-Jun-26, 05:56 PM
I was watching the Encore cable station last night, which is a premium station, and they were putting up small adverts for the next program in the lower right hand corner several times during the show. Disgusting. And the cancer will grow . . .

Window Washer
2007-Jun-26, 07:20 PM
The only time anything good is ever on is when it goes off format.

Tucson_Tim
2007-Jun-27, 02:05 AM
The National Geographic cable channel is showing Moon Landing Conspiracy this evening. Is this channel related in any way to that wonderful National Geographic magazine? :confused:

SkepticJ
2007-Jun-27, 04:06 AM
The National Geographic cable channel is showing Moon Landing Conspiracy this evening. Is this channel related in any way to that wonderful National Geographic magazine? :confused:

I'm so tired of having to tell people this: on the National Geographic Channel those types of shows provide the skeptical point of view. They show the believer's claims, and then tear their "evidence" to shreds. Quite fun to watch.

On the "Life On Mars" episode of Is it Real? they had Phil Plait on debunking Richard Hoagland's nonsense. Hoagland's an even greater nut job than I imagined, having previously never cared to see what he had to say.

Tucson_Tim
2007-Jun-27, 04:10 AM
I'm so tired of having to tell people this:

Well excuse me!

Then stop telling people - it's simpler than complaining. :rolleyes:

SkepticJ
2007-Jun-27, 04:11 AM
Well excuse me!

Then stop telling people - it's simpler than complaining. :rolleyes:

But then you wouldn't know, and knowing's half the battle.

Tucson_Tim
2007-Jun-27, 04:14 AM
But then you wouldn't know, and knowing's half the battle.

Well thanks for the info. And get some rest - you seem so tired. :lol:

Gillianren
2007-Jun-27, 07:59 AM
I'm so tired of having to tell people this: on the National Geographic Channel those types of shows provide the skeptical point of view. They show the believer's claims, and then tear their "evidence" to shreds. Quite fun to watch.

On the "Life On Mars" episode of Is it Real? they had Phil Plait on debunking Richard Hoagland's nonsense. Hoagland's an even greater nut job than I imagined, having previously never cared to see what he had to say.

Heck, if it's the Conspiracy Moon Landings show I'm thinking of, it features our own Jay Utah! In a desert! Guess where!

Maksutov
2007-Jun-27, 08:08 AM
I was watching the Encore cable station last night, which is a premium station, and they were putting up small adverts for the next program in the lower right hand corner several times during the show. Disgusting. And the cancer will grow . . .It is growing unabated.

I just sent off an email to FX explaining why I won't be watching their shows anymore.

It had to do with a program where the pop-up consumed ONE THIRD of the screen (the bottom third) and, to make matters worse, the sound effects for the pop-up obliterated a key bit of dialog.

Oh yeah, I mentioned in the email that I wouldn't completely stop watching FX. I'd continue to watch long enough to identify their advertisers so I could write emails to them explaining why I'm not watching FX anymore and, by default, their ads.

Jim
2007-Jun-27, 12:49 PM
Ah, a threat with teeth! I'd suggest you cc FX when you email their advertisers.

Tucson_Tim
2007-Jun-27, 02:31 PM
It is growing unabated.

I just sent off an email to FX explaining why I won't be watching their shows anymore.

It had to do with a program where the pop-up consumed ONE THIRD of the screen (the bottom third) and, to make matters worse, the sound effects for the pop-up obliterated a key bit of dialog.

Oh yeah, I mentioned in the email that I wouldn't completely stop watching FX. I'd continue to watch long enough to identify their advertisers so I could write emails to them explaining why I'm not watching FX anymore and, by default, their ads.


You da man! :)

peteshimmon
2007-Jun-27, 05:45 PM
Somehow I do not think sending e-mails is going
to do anything. Only millions cancelling
contracts will lead to remedial action!

But that would be in Utopia...ain't gonna happen.
:(

Tucson_Tim
2007-Jun-28, 02:41 AM
Here's my prediction for cable TV:

In a few years, after everyone is hooked, it will be just like network TV. Same crap. Commercials. Then, the only way to watch a movie without interruptions will be to purchase the DVD or purchase a download.

SkepticJ
2007-Jun-28, 04:03 AM
Here's my prediction for cable TV:

In a few years, after everyone is hooked, it will be just like network TV. Same crap. Commercials. Then, the only way to watch a movie without interruptions will be to purchase the DVD or purchase a download.


Or have a Netflix-like account. I predict something like this and/or internet TV stations will be the death of much of TV as we know it, since they will offer more than garbage.

Ever watch movies on Atom Films.com? They're hilarious if they're comedy, dramatic if they're drama and so on. Indie writers can actually write, since sticking to formulas and other things that were tired thirty years ago aren't mandatory.

Tucson_Tim
2007-Jun-28, 04:06 AM
Or have a Netflix-like account. I predict something like this and/or internet TV stations will be the death of much of TV as we know it, since they will offer more than garbage.

Ever watch movies on Atom Films.com? They're hilarious if they're comedy, dramatic if they're drama and so on. Indie writers can actually write, since sticking to formulas and other things that were tired thirty years ago aren't mandatory.

No. I'll check that out.

peteshimmon
2007-Jun-28, 09:44 PM
I wonder if it is possible for enthusiasts to
set up "home brew" local channels these days?
So they can get what they want. When I was
very young I came to appreciate the feeling of
being "plugged in" to the nation so that news of
national events would always be piped to us. It
still seems to be something everybody wants but
unfortunately much raucous content is also
broadcast these days. So a local channel with
gaps for network news would cover this. I
suppose there would be licence issues however.
Ah well...build up those dvd libraries!

Noclevername
2007-Jun-28, 09:49 PM
It is growing unabated.

I just sent off an email to FX explaining why I won't be watching their shows anymore.

It had to do with a program where the pop-up consumed ONE THIRD of the screen (the bottom third) and, to make matters worse, the sound effects for the pop-up obliterated a key bit of dialog.

Oh yeah, I mentioned in the email that I wouldn't completely stop watching FX. I'd continue to watch long enough to identify their advertisers so I could write emails to them explaining why I'm not watching FX anymore and, by default, their ads.


You should have told them you were a little old lady from a small town, who found their popup ads "morally offensive". That's the only way a single complaining letter can make a network take something off the air!

peteshimmon
2007-Jun-28, 10:34 PM
Oh yes, any new channel over here that shuts
down between 11 and 12 pm playing the National
Anthem may be an instant success. Nostalgia:)

Parrothead
2007-Aug-02, 02:51 PM
Well here's a switch. From today's Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070802.wbuzz02-1/BNStory/Entertainment/home)


The federal broadcast regulator has slapped a final ruling on History Television's airing of CSI: New York, saying the forensic crime show does not meet the specialty channel's mandate to air programs that are historically significant to Canadians. ...

NEOWatcher
2007-Aug-02, 03:11 PM
Well here's a switch. From today's Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070802.wbuzz02-1/BNStory/Entertainment/home)

I'm not sure switch is the correct word, because I feel that it is more that it has finally progressed to that point. But; that doesn't really relate to the story itself.

Bravo to the CRTC and Writers guild. :clap::clap:
I have always viewed the situation as false advertising in some way.

One Skunk Todd
2007-Aug-02, 08:58 PM
What really cheeses me off is the fact that the popups or crawls seem to be able to push the closed captioning further up the screen, so 1/3 screen drek, maybe another 1/4 or 1/3 captioning, hardly anything left for the actual show.

Tobin Dax
2007-Aug-07, 04:18 AM
(I know this is an old post, but I have to respond to it.)


I actually tried cancelling my Cable TV altogether when my family moved out this past weekend.

I only needed the phone and the internet, but it turns out, with basic cable ($13), my internet is $45. Without it, its $66. The phone is $38 either way.

I just shook my head and downgraded it from digital...


I just got my cable internet hooked up in my new apartment. On the bill, there is actually a $10 *charge* for not having cable. I was surprised and disgusted that they bill it as a charge. They can't make it a discount? They'd rather add a charge for not getting another service. What would they have charged me if I had neither cable nor internet? :doh:

SkepticJ
2007-Aug-13, 11:31 PM
The name of the movie escapes me at the moment, but it was in theaters in the mid '90s and rated R. Guess what channel's lineup I saw it on? TV Land!

why06
2007-Sep-22, 01:23 PM
and


Ah, these are two of my favorite pet peeves!

Union contracts say the network must run the credits, but they don't say how big or fast they must run them. You need to be a speed reader with a magnifying glass these days to find out who played what role.

And, it's not just The Closer (good show, love Kyra Sedgewick's character). Lots of programs pull that one, some even use annoying sound effects. It distracts from the actual show, for Pete's sake!

Hey, maybe we could get why06 to start a Viewers' Union?

Sorry it took me so long to get here.... Im quiet busy you know...Did someone call me?

KaiYeves
2007-Sep-23, 12:04 AM
On the "Life On Mars" episode of Is it Real? they had Phil Plait on debunking Richard Hoagland's nonsense. Hoagland's an even greater nut job than I imagined, having previously never cared to see what he had to say.

I have a problem with RCH appearing on National Geographic Channel. Kind of like the whole not letting holy water mix with raw sewage thing.