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DogsHead
2007-Jul-27, 02:22 AM
Is anyone able to say whether this effect is real? I cannot find any scientific references (I have not yet researched this extensively as yet) that back up his claim. The claim seems to be quite recent (he has not yet been "rendered" by the black hat types he he) and involves making salt water burn when an RF generator is used. No mention of frequency or power levels used.
Any thoughts?
The Wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kanzius)is a jump off point, and there are some clips on youtube.

Charlie in Dayton
2007-Jul-27, 02:35 AM
Well, I CAN with authority say that a vertical antenna stuck on a pipe sticking up in the middle of a saltwater swamp is one of the most efficient antenna/ground plane systems that exists...give me five watts RF at 7 MHz or so to that, and I'll work the world with no sweat...

But this that you speak of is another vial of 'free energy' booshwa...it takes more input to get something flammable than the energy content of that which is flammable...

Someone else thinks they're gonna save the world...sorry, here's a copy of the home game and thanks for playing...Google a bit, this dude's been in the news recently with this stuff.

DogsHead
2007-Jul-27, 03:17 AM
Well, I CAN with authority say that a vertical antenna stuck on a pipe sticking up in the middle of a saltwater swamp is one of the most efficient antenna/ground plane systems that exists...give me five watts RF at 7 MHz or so to that, and I'll work the world with no sweat...
Hmmmm... intriguing. I would love to know why that is so. I had crazy Rf problems on a production of fame while on tour in the UK; maybe I should have stuck my paddles into a bucket of salt water...
BTW are you tracking wildlife in that thar swamp?

mugaliens
2007-Jul-29, 05:40 PM
Of course it doesn't "create more energy than it takes." In addition to reburning the oxygen and hydrogen, it may be burning the sodium ions in the presence of atmospheric oxygen while the chlorine ions are combining with something else (or being emitted as Cl2).

But I'm no chemist.

snarkophilus
2007-Jul-29, 10:41 PM
it may be burning the sodium ions in the presence of atmospheric oxygen while the chlorine ions are combining with something else
That would actually be taking available energy away, rather than releasing energy.

01101001
2007-Sep-11, 03:55 PM
Discovered by the New York Times and AP: Radio Frequencies Help Burn Salt Water (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Burning-Seawater.html)


The radio frequencies act to weaken the bonds between the elements that make up salt water, releasing the hydrogen, Roy said. Once ignited, the hydrogen will burn as long as it is exposed to the frequencies, he said.

mugaliens
2007-Sep-18, 07:51 PM
Yes, and I submit that the energy going into the system exceeds the energy coming out.

It may nevertheless be a highly efficient way of separating out hydrogen, perhaps more so than electrolysis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis), but one would still be loosing to the Gibbs function (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbs_free_energy).