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antimatter33
2007-Aug-27, 02:05 PM
Hello members,

By accident I have discovered that Al Shepard accidentally took pictures of Venus next to the Earth on Apollo 14. The pictures are here:

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a14/AS14-64-9191HR.jpg
http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a14/AS14-64-9192HR.jpg
http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a14/AS14-64-9196HR.jpg

Venus is visible above and to the left of Earth, a tiny white speck just to the right of the dish antenna on the LM at 3 o'clock in picture 64-9191. Compare the other pictures and you'll see that it's not a negative defect or printing error. You can set Starry Night or the like for 2-6-1971 at about 12h UT to view the Earth from the Moon, and you'll see Venus is right where it shows up in these photos.

This should at least put an end to the photo-hoaxer's bleating.

-drl

hplasm
2007-Aug-27, 06:48 PM
This should at least put an end to the photo-hoaxer's bleating.
-drl

If only...

It's probably a UFO filming the mission! /HB

:)

antimatter33
2007-Aug-27, 07:08 PM
I have created a PowerPoint slide show that will convince anyone. Is there a place to post it here? I calculated the relative positions of the Earth and Moon from the landing site at the official end of the 2nd EVA, right after Shepard made those photos - he was basically using up his roll of film before getting back inside the LM.

The slide show - three slides - shows the relative position, a cropped and enhanced part of a14/AS14-64-9191HR, and the Starry Night image dump superimposed on the photo. Seeing (and calculating!) is believing!

I will try to find other random alignment of bright planets and the Earth from the other missions. As far as I'm concerned, this is the "smoking gun" that puts a complete end to the hoaxers' claims about faked photographs. No one at that time would have had any reason to include Venus in the hoax, nor would it have been a trivial task to determine its location in the sky.

-drl

BertL
2007-Aug-27, 07:19 PM
While it's a very interesting find, this has already been done.

I can't find the thread at this moment, but it was discovered fairly recently when a HB said "Venus should be in the pictures somewhere and it isn't" and some people discovered it actually was visible.

Swift
2007-Aug-27, 07:50 PM
This thread (http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/61786-stars-moon-taken-apollo.html) has some discussion of star and planet pictures by Apollo, though not Apollo 14 apparently.

Neverfly
2007-Aug-27, 07:51 PM
Antimatter33 that is pretty impressive though.;) Happy posting with it though I doubt any HB's will accept such work from an Obvious NASA imformant such as yourself;):p

Waspie_Dwarf
2007-Aug-27, 07:56 PM
While it's a very interesting find, this has already been done.

I can't find the thread at this moment, but it was discovered fairly recently when a HB said "Venus should be in the pictures somewhere and it isn't" and some people discovered it actually was visible.

I think this is the one you are reffering to Bert: Missing Planetoid (http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1176976875) at the ApolloHoax.net forum.

antimatter33
2007-Aug-27, 08:29 PM
Well there's no doubt now! (as if there were before :)

-drl

AGN Fuel
2007-Aug-28, 07:10 AM
Is this the gif you were looking for? This excellent piece was prepared by our esteemed contributor, DataCable.

http://photos.imageevent.com/datacable/apollo/A14_Earth-Venus.gif

Count Zero
2007-Aug-28, 08:11 AM
A seasoned photographer could probably guess the exposure setting. The Earth is over-exposed to the point of featureless saturation, but not to the point where we're seeing much emulsion-bleeding.