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Colt
2003-Jul-15, 10:44 PM
I wonder if I am the only one has seen this movie as no one has made a topic about it..

Spoilers..








I'm not going to try to go through the movie point-by-point so I'll just give you my overall impression of it. It was a good movie. I really liked all of the Victorian Sci-Fi technology. The car and the Nautilus were very cool. The Evil Society guys were interesting too. Their weapons and armor looked like Victorian interpretations of modern concepts. The assault rifle for example.

I should have expected Moriarty to be the main villian. It fits with the rest of the movie. Quartermain was my favorite character in the movie followed by Jekyll/Hyde, and then Skinner. :)

My only real gripes about the movie was that it seemed like alot of stff was cut out and not explained. The ending was also kind of a let down. I'm still going to buy it when it comes out though. :D -Colt

Humphrey
2003-Jul-15, 10:55 PM
Any bad physics or astronomy?


You know what? now i have to see it just to debuink it! :-)

tracer
2003-Jul-15, 11:02 PM
Well, there is always the old problem of "how could the Invisible Man see, if his retinas were also invisible and therefore absorbed no light?"

mutant
2003-Jul-16, 12:09 AM
Well, it's a movie. Facts can be thrown out the window. It's entertainment; well, if you are really bored. If I watch a movie I expect nothing but to be entertained, not to be subjected to a litany of scientific facts. Unfortunately I am rarely entertained and the facts are non existant.

Musashi
2003-Jul-16, 12:20 AM
I liked watching Dorian fight, he was so laid back and lazy about it. Nemo was also prett cool to watch.

How did Quartermain jump out of a car going 60+MPH and land on his feet? He should have at least had to roll.

I missed the very very end because I had gotten a large drink and had to leave the theater for a minute! :( But I don't think I missed much.

Spoiler...

The last fight with Nemo and Hyde on one side and the giant on the other was pretty neat.

I think you could make a sequel with better heros too.

Overall, I thought it was fun to watch... somewhere along the lines of the first Mummy. :)

tracer
2003-Jul-16, 12:21 AM
Well, it's a movie. Facts can be thrown out the window.
Which, I guess, explains Armageddon (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/movies/armpitageddon.html).

nebularain
2003-Jul-16, 02:42 AM
Hey! No swearing aloud on this Board!

mutant
2003-Jul-16, 04:11 AM
tracer wrote:


Which, I guess, explains Armageddon.

No, I am sorry. Nothing can explain Armageddon.

freddo
2003-Jul-16, 06:28 AM
tracer wrote:


Which, I guess, explains Armageddon.

No, I am sorry. Nothing can explain Armageddon.

Come on people - there's children about... Stop with the blaspheming already!!! :wink:

Colt
2003-Jul-16, 07:49 AM
I thought the movie was good entertainment. I went to see it because I enjoy stuff like Victorian SF (I can't find any books about it though). There were alot of unexplained and bad physics in the movie but I still liked it.

The Giant that Hyde was fighting reminded me of some of the creatrues from the Resident Evil series of games. -Colt

captain swoop
2003-Jul-16, 08:06 AM
OK, How did they have a car chase in Venice?

Hiw did that huge sub fit along any of the canals in Venice and esp under the bridge of Sighs?

Why couldn't they have just got on a train to Venice? It was perfectly possible to do the journey almost direct in less than 2 days from London.

All those men trying to machine gun Tom Sawyer as he reaces along the non existant streets, how did they know he would be going down just the right one at that time? Did they have second sight that told them he would arrive in a giant sub and charge around in something that hadn't been invented yet? and set a trap for it anyway?


Since when did Venice have graveyards? At the same time it got all those new streets I suppose.

As the water table is barely a foot below the surface, a body is put into a Mausoleum, not a grave.

Colt
2003-Jul-17, 05:39 AM
OK, How did they have a car chase in Venice?

Hiw did that huge sub fit along any of the canals in Venice and esp under the bridge of Sighs?

Why couldn't they have just got on a train to Venice? It was perfectly possible to do the journey almost direct in less than 2 days from London.

All those men trying to machine gun Tom Sawyer as he reaces along the non existant streets, how did they know he would be going down just the right one at that time? Did they have second sight that told them he would arrive in a giant sub and charge around in something that hadn't been invented yet? and set a trap for it anyway?


Since when did Venice have graveyards? At the same time it got all those new streets I suppose.

As the water table is barely a foot below the surface, a body is put into a Mausoleum, not a grave.

There are streets in Venice, and that was just a cool car. :D

I was wondering that also. Even if it fit in the width of the canal it would scram the bottom.

They needed the Nautilus to go other places as well. And like the car, it rocks. It's a movie, of course the Evil Society knows where they are going to be. :P

Is Venice really supported by a foundation like that? If so, who built it? Why hasn't it crumbled away? How did Davinci get drawings of it?

What graveyards? -Colt

tracer
2003-Jul-17, 09:21 PM
There are streets in Venice, and that was just a cool car. :D
Yeah, there are streets in Venice -- now that people have cars! Back in the 19th century, the "streets" would have been designed to accomodate, at most, a horse-and-buggy.

Furthermore, at the time, streets where horses travelled were frequently covered in horse dung. Nobody bothered to clean up after the horses. It was only when people began to believe that having all that filth lying around was a health risk that street-sweeping was introduced.


Is Venice really supported by a foundation like that? If so, who built it? Why hasn't it crumbled away? How did Davinci get drawings of it?
Venice is built on a partially man-made island, which is slowly sinking. It started out as a hideout for crooks, which was why anybody risked building anything there in the first place. Every century or so, the water table rises enough that the second stories of many buildings become their new ground floors.

Colt
2003-Jul-17, 10:17 PM
Really? How do they keep all of the bridges and sidewalks from submerging? Anyone know of a site about the history of Venice?

That would be pretty cool to open a door and look down a flooded stairwell. Go down a few stories and you'll be in a room that hasn't been occupied in tens of years. :o -Colt

Humphrey
2003-Jul-17, 10:20 PM
iot doesn't sink that fast. the bridge of sighs jhas been there for a few hundred years.

But it is really cool. the place floods badly in a storm.

Colt
2003-Jul-17, 10:21 PM
Not cool to the people living there. :wink: Bridge of Sighs? -Colt

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-17, 10:22 PM
Venice is built on a partially man-made island

Actually, it's built on a series of partially man-made islands. But close enough! :wink:

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-17, 10:25 PM
The Bridge of Sighs:

http://www.photo.net/photo/pcd3610/venice-bridge-of-sighs-84

It is between the old jail and the inquisitor's chambers. They would be brought across to be imprisoned, but would be allowed to stop halfway to look out at Venice and would usually sigh because it was the last time they'd see it for a long, long time.

[Edited to fix historical errors]

Humphrey
2003-Jul-17, 10:29 PM
The Bridge of Sighs:

http://www.photo.net/photo/pcd3610/venice-bridge-of-sighs-84

It is between the old jail and the inquisitor's chambers. They would be brought across to be imprisoned, but would be allowed to stop halfway to look out at Venice and would usually sigh because it was the last time they'd see it for a long, long time.

[Edited to fix historical errors]

Yup, that is what our guide told us when we were there. The funnyest thing was that every thime he would say the name of the bridge he would draw it out. "The Bridge of Siiiggghhhsss." :D.

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-17, 10:31 PM
You've been to Venice? Now I hate you... :wink:

Humphrey
2003-Jul-17, 10:34 PM
yah in the summer of 99 i spent a month in europe. I went to England, France, Switzerland, Italy, Austria, and Germany.


The best was italy and London. Pompeii was absolutely stunning. Venice was cool, but could not hold a candle to pompeii

added: the london Dongeon was hilarious and really cool. i reccomend going there if you go to london. :-)

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-17, 10:35 PM
You lucky bum... [-(

Humphrey
2003-Jul-17, 10:38 PM
well Paris was...bland....very nice people (seriously), but the sites did not interest me as much as other places.


But the louvre was cool.

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-17, 10:43 PM
Stop! Stop! You're torturing me! #-o

Humphrey
2003-Jul-17, 11:14 PM
Germany had good beer. Even if i don't like beer.

Square Peg
2003-Jul-17, 11:46 PM
If it makes you feel any better, some parts of Paris smell very very ... bad. The food is good, though.


And with all the lights in and near Paris, the star gazing is very poor.

"Par essayer, aux étoiles."
(Sorry! I sort of mangled the translation.... it's been a long time since I was in a French class).

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-18, 12:39 AM
Thank you. That does help. But wait. That means that you've been to France as well... AAARRGGGHHHHHHH!!!! :(

Thanks for trying. :wink:

Musashi
2003-Jul-18, 12:43 AM
I've never been to Europe, does that help? I really want to go, but I just don't have the money :( One day I will go! We should plan a BABB field trip! :D

Humphrey
2003-Jul-18, 01:46 AM
I've never been to Europe, does that help? I really want to go, but I just don't have the money :( One day I will go! We should plan a BABB field trip! :D

It wpould never get anywhwre. First of all i don't thtink they would let telescopes throught baggage check in. and secondly we would be debating and going Olé! Too nuch. :-)

tracer
2003-Jul-18, 01:51 AM
The funnyest thing was that every thime he would say the name of the bridge he would draw it out. "The Bridge of Siiiggghhhsss."
That was probably so you wouldn't think he was saying "The Bridge of Size." (Or, for that matter, "The Bridge of Psis", as in the Greek letter, or "The Bridge of Sais", as in the Ninja weapon.)

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-18, 02:28 AM
I've never been to Europe, does that help? I really want to go, but I just don't have the money :( One day I will go! We should plan a BABB field trip! :D

Yes that does help! Misery loves company... :)

captain swoop
2003-Jul-18, 10:18 AM
If it makes you feel any better, some parts of Paris smell very very ... bad. The food is good, though.



Paris stinks, so does berlin. Venice is OK but better out of season, other times you are knee deep in litter and americans :wink:

Someone mentioned good beer in Germany? It depends what you normaly drink I suppose.

Belgian beer is ok, Yorkshire beer is best. Sam Smiths, Black Sheep, Theakstons, Tetley and some John Smiths.

tracer
2003-Jul-18, 07:13 PM
Venice is OK but better out of season, other times you are knee deep in litter and americans :wink:
Or sea water.

Colt
2003-Jul-18, 10:48 PM
Are you saying Americans are litter? :-? Heh, Alaska smells good. Clean air, no smog. Beautiful mountains and wildlife.. Ahh.. I love this state. And I'm in the biggest city in the state. :D -Colt

tracer
2003-Jul-19, 05:14 AM
Yeah, but Alaska isn't really a State. It's always in its own little box off to one side whenever they show pictures of the U.S., just like Hawaii is. :P

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-19, 05:18 AM
We'll take it! :)

Musashi
2003-Jul-19, 05:18 AM
I want Canada to take all of the USA, I like your national anthem better!

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-19, 05:21 AM
Thank you! Side note:

You know all that stuff about rockets and explosions in your anthem? Well that's Canada's fault. The Anthem was origionally a poem written during the War of 1812, and the rockets were from Brithish troops stationed in the region that would later become Canada. So whenever you sing your anthem, thank Canada for blowing up a small portion of the US and providing material for a song! :D

Musashi
2003-Jul-19, 05:28 AM
Do you guys have a pledge of alliegence like we do?

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-19, 05:41 AM
Not sure... still looking. Here's the Citizenship Oath:

"I swear/affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to
Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada.
Her Heirs and Successors, according to law and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfill my duties as a Canadian citizen."

Musashi
2003-Jul-19, 05:43 AM
Sounds close enough, do you have to recite it everyday at school?

Ours is:

I pledge alligence to the flag and the United States of America
and to the republic for which it stands, one nation [under God]*,
indivisble, with liberty and justie for all...

I think, it's been a while since I had to say it.

*The under god part was added later, the original didn't have it and now it is being contested. Seperation of Church and State and all..

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-19, 05:52 AM
No, that one is only for new citizens. Here's the real one (or as close as I can find. I think you can tell it's not used much because I don't know it... :oops: )

"I salute the flag
The emblem of my country
To which I pledge my love and loyalty."

I do know the motto of Canada though:

"A mari usque ad mare" ("From sea unto sea")

Musashi
2003-Jul-19, 05:56 AM
I don't know if we have a motto (I'm sure we do, I just don't know it), but we have a phrase somewhere like this, "From sea to shining sea."

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-19, 05:58 AM
Your motto is:

"E Pluribus Unum" ("Out of the Many; One")

Musashi
2003-Jul-19, 05:59 AM
Oh yeah, thanks! I shoulda knowd that one, its on all our money (along with all those mysterious illuminati images!)

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-19, 06:03 AM
Yeah, what the heck is that pyramid with the eye about anyway?

Musashi
2003-Jul-19, 06:03 AM
I can't tell you!

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-19, 06:06 AM
Some sort of secret? Or maybe you don't know...

Musashi
2003-Jul-19, 06:08 AM
How dare you! :x

It is a secret that only Amercians are allowed to know because we are the most advanced culture EVER!

Ok, I'll tell, but keep it secret! In the eye is a tiny embedded camera. The FBI uses it to keep track of everything in the world!

ocasey3
2003-Jul-19, 06:14 AM
Well, we could tell you but then we'd have to kill you. 8-[

Musashi
2003-Jul-19, 06:16 AM
Wait, I already told him! I mean no, nothing to see here, move along...

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-19, 06:17 AM
Bah! You're full of bunk! :)

Musashi
2003-Jul-19, 06:20 AM
Run Canuck run! Before Ocasey catches you!

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-19, 06:22 AM
Bah! Try to get past border security! Mwahahahaha!

ocasey3
2003-Jul-19, 06:22 AM
Let's see, I go south into Canada then east.........

ocasey3
2003-Jul-19, 06:23 AM
Bah! Try to get past border security! Mwahahahaha!

Casinos make wonderful excuses.

Musashi
2003-Jul-19, 06:23 AM
Yeah, those border security guys are mean. Earlier today they arrested me for trying to bring books into Canada!

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-19, 06:25 AM
And I had nothing to do with that... nothing... 8-[

RichField
2003-Jul-19, 12:33 PM
I saw this movie last weekend. I wasn't terribly impressed overall with the plot. Too many things were obvious setups for the big finale. I'm not really into the Victorian sci-fi stuff so I have no other reference, but I thought that the Nautilis, and most of the technology used with it was too much. The evil tech seemed moderately appropriate for the time, possibly a bit advanced, but the theory with the sub seemed to be "Any ability and technology we have today is in the sub, and Nemo invented it".
My real gripe comes with some major
SPOILERS




















First, I had to check to make sure that "Moriarty" was actually dead in 1899. It had been a while since I had read the Sherlock Holmes series, and I know Holmes was still working after 1900 (see The Adventure of the Illustrious). It turns out there was no mistake, Moriarty was killed in 1891.

My real problem was that if Moriarty had enlisted the services of Dorian Gray, someone who was essentially immortal, why would he need to form the League in the first place. He should have been able to just send Dorian out to all these other people, get what he needed and been done with it. But then there'd be no movie I guess.

kittynboi
2003-Jul-19, 04:24 PM
LXG is based off a comic book of the same name. The comic I tihnk is much better, I posted another review on another board of this film which I'll just post here.


This review was written for antoher forum so if you don't get something said in it it was probably directed to the people fo that baord, but it shouldnt be a problem. ^_^
SPOLIERS

those unfamiliar with the comic might not be aware of the changes, I'll cover them as I go.

Connery as Quartermain was good,although they changed the character a bit. In the lxg comic, quartermain was a bit of a bumbler who had his moments and got into constant arguments with Mina. The interaction between the two and their character chemistry is one of the things that made the comic, but was no present in the movie.

As for Mina, her character was totally thrown out the window, nothing like her comic counterpart and she plays such a small role in the movie that it seems like the potential of her added vampire powers (she didin't seem to have any in the comic) was wasted.

The invisible man.
Who the hell is Rodney Skinner anyway? His comic counterpart was named Hawley Griffin and he was much more of a mischevious anti hero in the comic, who essentially provided a dark form of comic relief. His character was HORRIBLY neglected in the movie.

Nemo, one of the better characters. Although he did not have the surly, imposing and intimidating air that he had in the comic, his stately manner more than made up for it.

the Nautilus.
They changed the design of the sub, compared to both the comic and the novel (in the comic it looked like an octopus, in the novel it was more vague but it did imply that it was an oblong shape with some curvature.) to a more sword like design. I liked the new nautilus design, it worked with the aesthetic of the movie and it looked nice.

Dorian Gray.
I liked his character, although I haven't read his novel yet. He added a nice element to the movie I though, but I would have liked to have seen him get more screen time.

Tom Sawyer.
Sawyer was pretty cool I though, I liked his character and thought the chemistry between him and Quartermain was good, but it also overshadowed the other characters, which I didin't like. Besides, he was cute. ^_^

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
I thought this wokred well, but Hyde could ahve had a better, mroe ferocious and animalikstic looking design. Jekyll worked well but he lacked the haunted, remorseful and nervous character that amde his comic counterpart work so well.

Proffesor Moriarity.
In my opinion, this was the worst charecterization in the film, he had little screen time and was WAY younger than I would have ever pictured proffesor moriarity as.

The story.
Some elements of it were good. I liked the whole idea of blowing up venice. I also liked the plan to essentially create an opposing league, although that is hardly the most original idea. I thought there could have been more character development.

A few of the more colorful and risque elements of the comic were left out, such as Quartermains opium use. The story of how they found the invisible man was much more interesting, involving a bordello like girls boaridng school with lots of s and m overtones to it, where the invisible man was hiding out and raping the girls there. The violence in the comic was much more gratuitious. And there was far more tension between the characters as well.

Overall, the movie was good as its own thing but was very different from the comic it was based on.


Furthermore.

As to whether moriatirty was dead, this is one problem with the comic to film translation. In the original sherlock holmes story, Hlomes and moriarity fight and Moriarity dies at reichenbach falls. In th LXG comic, however, moritairty falls down the falls, but he doesnt die, he just gets really mangled and is found by two of his associates, so LXG is using their own version of the holmes stories.

Colt
2003-Jul-20, 01:48 AM
The characters didn't have to necessarily been alive in the same time period for the movie. It simply brougth them together. It would have been interesting to see Holmes, he would have definately been someone to be part of the League. But of course Moriarty is the one who started it.. -Colt

Doodler
2003-Jul-24, 08:31 PM
Sorry for the aside, but I can answer Canuck's question about the pyramid and the eye. The pyramid is shown with the capstone detached as a representation that the building of this nation was far from complete, the eye is the eye of god, as stated (belatedly) in the Pledge, we build this nation with guidance from him (lower case deliberately) the Western face of the pyramid is shaded since at the time, the western continent was the unexplored unknown. There was a whole dissertation I had in an email that I have since lost due to a hard drive crash that explained the whole symbolic concept of the dollar bill, but that part I remember well.

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-25, 12:30 AM
Wow. I can't believe that you actually knew that. Thanks! It's a little odd, but it makes sense... kind of... I still don't understand why it's a pyramid in the first place... but, oh well! I'm sure I can find it if I look hard enough. Thanks again! :)

Musashi
2003-Jul-25, 12:34 AM
Do not listen to doodler, he is Illuminati and he is trying to steer you away from the true answer which is: The Illuminati and the Free and Accepted Masons are plotting to take over the world, but in a pact with the god they worship, they had to put there plans into the public perception, so they printed the dollar bill that way!


(Completely made up)

(Doodler is not, to my knowledge, part of the Illuminati)

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-25, 12:37 AM
Musashi, have you been licking toads again? :wink:

*Runs*

tracer
2003-Jul-25, 01:17 AM
Cecil Adams's Straight Dope article on the Eye-on-the-Pyramid design on the back of the U.S. 1 dollar bill:

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_022.html

Musashi
2003-Jul-25, 01:56 AM
So, maybe I wasn't making all that up after all! I must have been channeling the founding fathers or something! 8-[

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-25, 02:51 AM
Why is it that you guys hold onto the same old designs year after year? We change ours about once evry 15 years. Keeps things modern, and conspiracies to a minimum.

Musashi
2003-Jul-25, 02:56 AM
We just changed our big bills and we are in the process of changing our smaller bills too! The changes are not very drastic, but some newer changes are! I guess we are going to make the $20 with color (http://www.jameslove.com/funstuff_29.htm)!

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-25, 03:03 AM
You laugh, but there was actually a study about changing the colours of American bills a couple years ago. But I didn't mean colour... I meant the actual design...

Maybe if I said that you were wimps for not trying it, it might get done.

*Considers the fact that he just called the world's only remaining super-power a wimp*

:o :o :o :o :o

*Runs*

Colt
2003-Jul-25, 06:15 AM
China is a superpower, I'll come back to this. -Colt

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-25, 06:16 AM
Good point. I should have said the world's only super-power that borders my country. Don't want to annoy the neighbours...

Musashi
2003-Jul-25, 06:17 AM
We have changed the design a little!

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-25, 06:21 AM
Compared to us, though? We're even thinking of implementing plastic bills. They last longer.

captain swoop
2003-Jul-25, 08:39 AM
Compared to us, though? We're even thinking of implementing plastic bills. They last longer.

and they are harder to forge, the UK redesigns it's notes every so often, new picture of a dead person on one side, updated pic of HM on the other.

kucharek
2003-Jul-25, 08:53 AM
Swiss (http://www.direct-fx.com/currencies/Switzerland.html) banknotes are pretty cool.
And we have now the Euro (http://www.direct-fx.com/currencies/Euro.html), which is a somewhat boring design. I guess that comes from that it had to be pretty neutral. If they would have put up famous people or buildings on them, can you imagine the fights to get onto the 500 Euro bill - and the fight for not getting onto the 5 Euro bill? That could have wrecked the whole European Union. :)

Doodler
2003-Jul-25, 03:39 PM
I should point out that I am not an Illuminati nor am I a Freemason. I know a little about Masonicism, but nothing at all about the Illuminati. While I have not found another copy of that email explaining the design, I do know there is a great deal of symbolism on it not associated with occult or secret societal practices. Such as the eagle on the seal facing the olive branch during peacetime and the arrows when at war. There is also the significance to the number of references to the number 13 on the bill as well. The number of arrows in the eagle's claw, the number of leaves on the olive branch (and for those of you with better than perfect vision like mine, you can see 13 olives on the branch too 8) ) representing the original colonies. At the base of the pyramid, you'll see MDCCLXXVI, bet you can guess the significance of that.

Its not something I am a scholar of, its just one of those things I read that kinda stuck in my head to be published one day in my "Doodler's Book of Thoroughly Useless Information"

Jim
2003-Jul-25, 08:14 PM
As to whether moriatirty was dead, this is one problem with the comic to film translation. In the original sherlock holmes story, Hlomes and moriarity fight and Moriarity dies at reichenbach falls. In th LXG comic, however, moritairty falls down the falls, but he doesnt die, he just gets really mangled and is found by two of his associates, so LXG is using their own version of the holmes stories.

So? Doyle became so thouroughly disenchanted with Holmes (hated the character) that he had both Moriarity and Holmes die in their fall from the Falls.

Unfortunately for Doyle, Holmes' fans went livid at their hero's death and insisted he be resurreceted. Doyle finally and reluctantly agreed. Of course, Doyle had his revenge; he made Holmes a drug addict.

So, if Doyle can do it for Holmes...

RichField
2003-Jul-26, 10:28 PM
As to whether moriatirty was dead, this is one problem with the comic to film translation. In the original sherlock holmes story, Hlomes and moriarity fight and Moriarity dies at reichenbach falls. In th LXG comic, however, moritairty falls down the falls, but he doesnt die, he just gets really mangled and is found by two of his associates, so LXG is using their own version of the holmes stories.

So? Doyle became so thouroughly disenchanted with Holmes (hated the character) that he had both Moriarity and Holmes die in their fall from the Falls.

Unfortunately for Doyle, Holmes' fans went livid at their hero's death and insisted he be resurreceted. Doyle finally and reluctantly agreed. [snip, below]
So, if Doyle can do it for Holmes...

My original question as to Moriarty's death wasn't how he was able to survive his death at the falls, but rather whether he had experienced that death before 1899 to come back in some other form in the timeframe the movie was set in.

In any case, it's not really a valid question since it is a comic book world and should have license to make changes to suit the story. It would be like checking to see if all the main characters were around at that time. For the sake of the story, it really doesn't matter.


Of course, Doyle had his revenge; he made Holmes a drug addict.
Preemptive revenge?

captain swoop
2003-Jul-29, 09:03 AM
Doyle had his revenge; he made Holmes a drug addict.



Holmes wasn't a drug addict, he used drugs when he was bored and depressed which was infrequently, the fact tghat Watson was mildli disapproving is neithe here nor there.

Remember that in the 19th C drugs like Opium and Cocaine could be obtained over the counter atthe local chemist (pharmacy for the USA) and were considered as normal as drinking tea or beer. Don't try and put 21st C values on to the 19th. Every TV or recent movie adaptation seems to show him as almost a gibbering junkie.

Humphrey
2003-Jul-29, 04:14 PM
I thought that opium was considered a black market drug even then. Wasn't it illegal in many countries?

JimTKirk
2003-Jul-29, 07:06 PM
Didn't that appear in the Holmes tales as the more acceptable 'Laudanum'? That was Opium mixed with wine and spices, I think and was considered a 'mood elevater'. It was also cheaper than hard liquor.

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-29, 08:20 PM
I thought that opium was considered a black market drug even then. Wasn't it illegal in many countries?

I'm nearly certain that it was legal.

captain swoop
2003-Jul-30, 08:32 AM
I thought that opium was considered a black market drug even then. Wasn't it illegal in many countries?

I'm nearly certain that it was legal.

It certainly was, don't forget we had two wars with China because they wouldn't let the British sell Opium to them.

Laudenum was a trade brand of 'pick me up' sold as a tonic but the name became a general description.

remember Coca Cola was so called because it had Cocaine as an ingredient.

tracer
2003-Jul-30, 09:43 PM
The first anti-drug laws passed in the United States were laws against the smoking form of opium. (San Fracisco banned smokable opium within its city limits in 1875.) Other opiates were still completely legal through the end of the century, though.

JimTKirk
2003-Jul-30, 10:02 PM
According to this website http://freenet.msp.mn.us/people/hale/articles/opium.htm it wasn't until 1914 that they banned norcotics containing Opium in the U.S.



100 posts!!!!

captain swoop
2003-Aug-01, 07:35 AM
Damn it Jim! I'm a doctor, not a Bricklayer! - Leonard McCoy, MD U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701

And in one episode as I remember, after helping to carry an injured woman up a steep hill.

'I'm a Doctor, not an Escalator'

daver
2003-Aug-01, 05:58 PM
Damn it Jim! I'm a doctor, not a Bricklayer! - Leonard McCoy, MD U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701

And in one episode as I remember, after helping to carry an injured woman up a steep hill.

'I'm a Doctor, not an Escalator'

Pregnant, not injured. Julie Newmar, wasn't it?

JimTKirk
2003-Aug-02, 03:39 AM
Damn it Jim! I'm a doctor, not a Bricklayer! - Leonard McCoy, MD U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701

And in one episode as I remember, after helping to carry an injured woman up a steep hill.

'I'm a Doctor, not an Escalator'

Pregnant, not injured. Julie Newmar, wasn't it?

You're right Daver... It was 'Cat Woman', Julie Newmar. :D

Hey! Did we turn a LXG thread into a ST thread??? :lol: :lol: :lol: