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Humphrey
2003-Jul-16, 03:09 AM
Uhhhggg....I just heard one of the worst things i have ever heard Sci-Fi talk about. It was on their show "Beyond Bazzar" or something like that.

Well they had a show. This nice lady came on and was talking about trepanations (drilling of a hole into the skull. Usually to release pressure from brain swelling. Practiced alot a while ago. ). I was saying, cool. They are going to do an anthropology section. I got all excited. Well it got really bad from there.

Evidentaly this woman does Trepanations for "Non-medical reasons". She peddles that the trepanations have magical healing powers because it allows spiritis of the world and other non scientific factors into the brain.

She has claimed that throught history, people have done this with stunning healing rates and have come out better then before.

I was wondering where she got this information from, but she never said any recources or studies to proove this. Or at least that i heard of when i was not screaming "You moron! Don't do that to good healthy people!".

I cannot say how horrified i was at this. She would preform trepanations on perfectly helthy people!


But i do have to defend Sci-Fi channel and this woman at one point. Both said to never do this on your own, and that it is very dnagerous to do this. But they NEVER said that this woman shouldn't be doing this.

Fotumnately they also said that no british medical organization will sponsor her. But they made it is a light manner like the medical organization was some stuffy old koots who lounge around in plush chairs overpricing us.


[phew! steps off shoebox. rant is over]

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-16, 03:14 AM
She got it backwards. It was believed that it would RELEASE spirits from the brain. Still not a good idea...

Musashi
2003-Jul-16, 03:25 AM
Maybe she'll make a big enough hole in her own skull so that her brain will fall out. I estimate the hole should be about 1/4 of an inch, or 6.35 mm in diameter! :D

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-16, 03:26 AM
You'd have to have a brain that small to do surgery on yourself! :o [-X

Humphrey
2003-Jul-16, 03:27 AM
Well she said she has never needed the operation. :-)

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-16, 03:31 AM
Well that explains a lot! She already has a hole in her head!

ocasey3
2003-Jul-16, 04:28 AM
I'm sorry, but one kind of moron DRILLS a hole in their head, on purpose?? :-s Stupid is as stupid does. :-?

Karthesios
2003-Jul-16, 05:18 AM
It's really easy to do, all you need is a railroad spike, a hammer and a lot of paper towels! :lol:

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-16, 05:19 AM
:o http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/images/smiles/eusa_sick.gif

Karthesios
2003-Jul-16, 05:21 AM
Or the Mr. Burns method, requiring a power drill, and Hans Moleman!

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-16, 05:22 AM
Ahh... my brains!

Alex W.
2003-Jul-16, 05:46 AM
LOL.

Classic.

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Jul-16, 05:50 AM
Hello, this is Moleman in the morning. Good Moleman to you. Today part four of our series of the agonizing pain in which I live every daaaay.

freddo
2003-Jul-16, 06:38 AM
Hello, this is Moleman in the morning. Good Moleman to you. Today part four of our series of the agonizing pain in which I live every daaaay.

"Drinking has ruin my life. I'm 31 years old!"

captain swoop
2003-Jul-16, 08:22 AM
Back in the 80s when Alternative Cabaret' shows were popular on UK Channel 4, there was a guy who used to come on and take the top of his head off. Well he had a hat that hid the top of his head, he reached into the top of it and removed the top of his cranium, like Dr. Hfuhruhurr in 'Man With Two Brains'.

After this he began to scoop his pink squishy brain out with a spoon and began to eat it at the same time starting slur his speech and lose coordination.

It was quite funny.

kucharek
2003-Jul-16, 08:51 AM
She has claimed that throught history, people have done this with stunning healing rates and have come out better then before.
Such things have been already done many hundred or even thousand years before. A few skulls were found where the bone indicated, that the person survived this treatment. Regarding the technical possibilities at this time, I'd say every healing rate >0% is stunning. And maybe, due to some placebo effects, some really felt better afterwards.

Russ
2003-Jul-16, 01:35 PM
I saw about 10 minutes of this show yesterday. They were off on vampires and interviewing some gal that claimed she was one. She/they lost my credulity because she did not have the extended canine teeth, it was broad day light and she said she used a scalple to draw blood. :roll: :roll: :wink:

captain swoop
2003-Jul-16, 01:37 PM
I saw about 10 minutes of this show yesterday. They were off on vampires and interviewing some gal that claimed she was one. She/they lost my credulity because she did not have the extended canine teeth, it was broad day light and she said she used a scalple to draw blood. :roll: :roll: :wink:

Did she wear an Opera cape?

Russ
2003-Jul-16, 02:04 PM
I saw about 10 minutes of this show yesterday. They were off on vampires and interviewing some gal that claimed she was one. She/they lost my credulity because she did not have the extended canine teeth, it was broad day light and she said she used a scalple to draw blood. :roll: :roll: :wink:

Did she wear an Opera cape?

No, but she was dressed in a black turtleneck shirt and black slacks. :roll:

man on the moon
2003-Jul-16, 03:22 PM
it was broad day light

that would have knocked my credibility! (not that i would have believed her in the first place).

captain swoop
2003-Jul-16, 04:05 PM
it was broad day light

that would have knocked my credibility! (not that i would have believed her in the first place).

Maybe she wore sunblock

ocasey3
2003-Jul-16, 05:03 PM
And wore Ray Bans. 8)

Humphrey
2003-Jul-16, 06:10 PM
She has claimed that throught history, people have done this with stunning healing rates and have come out better then before.
Such things have been already done many hundred or even thousand years before. A few skulls were found where the bone indicated, that the person survived this treatment. Regarding the technical possibilities at this time, I'd say every healing rate >0% is stunning. And maybe, due to some placebo effects, some really felt better afterwards.

Yes several have survived it. But they first of all didn't know better, and were used for medical purposes a good number of times. Sure they also did the "demon evacuation" too. But the doctors of the time did recognize that brain swelling can kill.

Now is a different matter.

SeanF
2003-Jul-16, 06:17 PM
Hey, this could go in the "Quotes Quiz" thread!

My God, man! Drilling holes in his head is not the answer!

:D

tracer
2003-Jul-16, 06:18 PM
Cecil Adams' The Straight Dope had an article on Trepanning a couple of years back. Here's an online copy:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/020906.html

Humphrey
2003-Jul-16, 06:42 PM
thanks tracer! I'll read it soon. :-)

TimH
2003-Jul-16, 06:43 PM
Hey, this could go in the "Quotes Quiz" thread!

My God, man! Drilling holes in his head is not the answer!

:D

McCoy... Star Trek 4 (I think) The Voyage Home (the one with the whales)

Humphrey
2003-Jul-16, 06:51 PM
I have just gone pale that there are groups like this about: :o :o :o :o

http://www.trepan.com/ The International Trepanation Advocacy Group

But in their defense, they do have stupid T-Shirts (http://www.trepan.com/cgi-trepan/shop.exe?goto+tshirts.html)

Eirik
2003-Jul-16, 07:18 PM
I have just gone pale that there are groups like this about: :o :o :o :o

http://www.trepan.com/ The International Trepanation Advocacy Group

But in their defense, they do have stupid T-Shirts (http://www.trepan.com/cgi-trepan/shop.exe?goto+tshirts.html)

I need one of their shirts like a hole in the head....

Sorry...

:^o

No I'm not. :D

HelenVBeden
2007-Feb-02, 03:24 PM
Hello, I am Helen!.
And even though this my first post here, I for a long time on this forum
I'm not sure if this should go here or in the GENERAL DISCUSS section, so if it's in the wrong place, my apologies (and can someone move it please! EXCUSE uneducated girl).
I just loved this topic. Honestly we should start some movement or society. Anyway I'm also one of those people who enjoy to discuss this
in my opinion it would be a lot better to get some fact into our STUFF
I'll glad read all new information about this topic..
Thanks a lot
Helen V. Beden

ToSeek
2007-Feb-02, 04:24 PM
Thanks to all those who spotted Helen's post and reported it. We moderators are aware of it, so no further reports are necessary.

Ronald Brak
2007-Feb-03, 05:00 AM
Trepanation was a very effective treatment. After complaining of headaches the patient would be held down and a hole drilled in the head. If the patient survived they never complained of having headaches again.

Maha Vailo
2007-Feb-03, 12:14 PM
So, what would really happen to a perfectly healthy person if you drilled a hole in his head? Other than having a hole in your head, what other bad things might happen?

- Maha "I need this thread like..." Vailo

parallaxicality
2007-Feb-03, 12:33 PM
Menangitis springs to mind; exposing your brain to the open air, to say nothing of skin flakes, headlice, dust, smog... I'm actually quite surprised at the longterm survival rate.


"Egon, this reminds me of the time you tried to drill a hole through your head. Remember that?"

"That would have worked if you hadn't stopped me."

I loved that Straight Dope article.


"Listen, lady, one wants to have an open mind, as it were. But--you can see where I'm going with this--the average person needs trepanation like he needs a hole in the head."

Anyone else think Phillip Pullman will spearhead a revival of trepanning?

Alasdhair
2007-Feb-03, 01:04 PM
I seem to recall reading an article in The Independent by a woman who'd had a trepanation - fortunately she'd managed to persuade a qualified surgical team to do it. I don't think she suffered any ill effects, but I don't recall any benefits either...

Maksutov
2007-Feb-05, 07:58 AM
Dr Ray Stantz: You know, Mr. Tully, you are a most fortunate individual.
Louis: I know!
Dr Ray Stantz: You have been a participant in the biggest interdimensional cross rip since the Tunguska blast of 1909!
Louis: Felt great.
Dr. Egon Spengler: We'd like to get a sample of your brain tissue.
Louis: Okay. BTW, whatever happened to Humphrey (again)?

Moose
2007-Feb-05, 04:27 PM
BTW, whatever happened to Humphrey (again)?

Marriage. The ol' ball and chain. Perpetual domesticity. The end of life as we bachlors know it. The one thing that could stop the turtle from taking over. The one thing he needed less than a hole in the head. In other words: living death. :D

(Note to BAUT's better half: Threats of death or bodily harm to my person may be sent to the contact information in my profile. ;) )

Gillianren
2007-Feb-05, 07:44 PM
When Graham and I get married, which of us will you consider the ball and chain if I stop posting?

Moose
2007-Feb-05, 09:59 PM
Graham, of course. This is BAUT we're talking about. Some things transcend gender stereotypical fun-gepoking.

(Besides, I think I'm in enough trouble as it is. ;) )

Doodler
2007-Feb-05, 10:13 PM
Graham, of course. This is BAUT we're talking about. Some things transcend gender stereotypical fun-gepoking.

(Besides, I think I'm in enough trouble as it is. ;) )

She'd never be able to lurk here. If she vanished for any length of time, we'd brutalize the English language in ways she'd never forgive us for. :)

mike alexander
2007-Feb-06, 02:31 AM
Ah, yes...


Specialist: Hello!

T. F. Gumby: Are you the brain specialist?

Specialist: Hello!

T. F. Gumby: Are you the brain specialist?

Specialist: No, no, I am not the brain specialist. No, no, I am not... Yes. Yes I am.

T. F. Gumby: My brain hurts!

Specialist: Well let's take a look at it, Mr Gumby.

Gumby specialist starts to pull up Gumby's sweater.

T. F. Gumby; No, no, no, my brain in my head. (specialist thumps him on the head)

Specialist: It will have to come out.

T. F. Gumby: Out? Of my head?

Specialist: Yes! All the bits of it. Nurse! Nurse! (a nurse enters) NURSE! NURSE! Nurse, take Mr Gumby to a brain surgeon.

Nurse: Yes doctor...

She leads Gumby out. In the background the specialist is grunting and shouting.

Specialist: Where's the 'Lancet'?

Nurse (to T. F. Gumby): He's brilliant you know.

Specialist: Where's the bloody 'Lancet'? My brain hurts too.

The Backroad Astronomer
2007-Feb-06, 06:31 AM
all we have to do is post something Gill or Gilli, and she would have to respond . (just using as an example Gillianren)

Maksutov
2007-Feb-07, 03:44 AM
Ah, yes...
Specialist: Hello!

T. F. Gumby: Are you the brain specialist?http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9085/gumby1po3.gif (http://imageshack.us)

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9596/brainmugys7.gif (http://imageshack.us)

:lol:

Tobin Dax
2007-Feb-07, 03:47 AM
When Graham and I get married, which of us will you consider the ball and chain if I stop posting?

I'll just figure that you found being a ball and chain to be a better way to spend your time. :D ;)

(Note to BAUT's better half: Threats of death or bodily harm to my person may be sent to the contact information in Moose's profile. ;) )
(There's no way I want to deal with it. :D)

The Backroad Astronomer
2007-Feb-07, 03:56 AM
(Note to BAUT's better half: Threats of death or bodily harm to my person may be sent to the contact information in Moose's profile. ;) )
(There's no way I want to deal with it. :D)
Well the worst she can do to us here is correct grammar and spelling.

Moose
2007-Feb-07, 10:33 AM
may be sent to the contact information in Moose's profile. ;)

No problem, my inbox is full anyway. I'm good. :D