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KaiYeves
2007-Oct-07, 02:34 AM
Note: This thread is written as if we live in the parallel future presented in The First Travel Guide to The Moon that I describe here (http://www.bautforum.com/small-media-large/65495-modern-reality-old-sf.html#post1082564), with a few changes and elaborations. For example, the U.S.S.R. still broke up in '90 or thereabouts.

Hey, guys, just wanted some input on a major space-astronomy related choice. I've been saving up some money for a trip over the winter holidays, and I was thinking of maybe going to the Galapagos. But then I realised that I could afford the student rate on a Moonliner, so I'm thinking about visiting the moon. I know that there have been regular flights since '95, but nobody I know has made the trip. Have any of you? If you have, give me some travel tips. I'm not sure which Earthport to leave from- the foreign ones are newer, but not as nice as Kennedy or Johnson from what I've heard, and then there's that new one in Mojave...

JonClarke
2007-Oct-07, 09:21 AM
Try the oldest and best of all, Tyuratam. Kennedy is scenic, but nothing beats leaving from the same pad as Yuri Gagarin. You also get a much better view from Earth from the three day stop over at Mir 2 before you leave for the Moon.

Noclevername
2007-Oct-07, 03:40 PM
I'm going up next week to pick out a house in the new De Bergerac dome. I hear the Low-G Arbortetum is spectacular; even with most of the trees still saplings, they're taller than most Earth trees.

KaiYeves
2007-Oct-07, 06:26 PM
Maybe I will go to Tyuratam, even if it is farther away. Three days to get used to zero-g sounds like a good plan, as I'm somewhat prone to travel sicknesses.

Noclevername
2007-Oct-07, 06:39 PM
Maybe I will go to Tyuratam, even if it is farther away. Three days to get used to zero-g sounds like a good plan, as I'm somewhat prone to travel sicknesses.

They're spinning up the new oscillating wheelstation now, by this time next year it should make most of the Earth-Moon trip easier on the stomach.

eburacum45
2007-Oct-07, 07:06 PM
I can't stand the in-flight mush they call spaceline food, and the zero-gravity toilets are a nightmare.
And when you get to the Moon it smells of gunpowder for some reason.

Noclevername
2007-Oct-07, 07:13 PM
And three days of bad movies is really too much to bear.

KaiYeves
2007-Oct-07, 07:28 PM
How long should I stay? I've heard staying a month and watching Earth go thorough all of it's phases is spectacular. I visited the Lunar Tourism Bureau office near my hometown and got a map of all the settlements and a timetable for shuttle flights up to Mir 2 and Space Base. Very efficient. Saw a few brochures for tours to the Apollo Landing UNESCO World Heritage Sites, but I'd also like to visit the SETI facilities on the farside. Should I get a laptop upgrade so I can post from the moon or just use the terminals at the hotel?

Certassar
2007-Oct-08, 09:21 PM
You've probably heard this before, but the best advice for a first time lunatic is to choose the sleep option on the tour up, and save the zero-g for the return trip. If the zero-g gets to your stomach, your first lunar week will be ruined, and the food up there doesn't help!

KaiYeves
2007-Oct-08, 09:43 PM
You've probably heard this before, but the best advice for a first time lunatic is to choose the sleep option on the tour up, and save the zero-g for the return trip.
Thanks for the tip. I'm a PADI Open Water Scuba Diver, and had no problem with the microgravity underwater, but I guess it's better safe than sorry. But what about my Internet question?

JonClarke
2007-Oct-08, 11:25 PM
I go to the Moon to get away from the internet, so I can't help you there. ;)

But don't let what people say about the food put you off. It's much better than you get on a terrestrial camping trip. The fresh fruit and vegetables taste the same as here, so does the fish and poultry. Red meat and cereals get flown in, so are luxury items.

Don't worry about space sicknes either, the pills these days are really very good. Even if you feel queasy, landing on the Moon and felling weight again fixes that.

Yeah, the in flight movies are typical fare. But not many people are watching them, I have observed. Seeing the Earth fall away and the Moon rise towards you is much more exciting than the latest Bollywood blockbuster (BTW, does anyone in Hollywood make movies as opposed to commercials any more?).

Jon

KaiYeves
2007-Oct-09, 12:17 AM
Don't worry about space sicknes either, the pills these days are really very good. Even if you feel queasy, landing on the Moon and felling weight again fixes that.
That's reasuring. How long do you recomend staying and at which hotel? Which attractions are must-sees?

Noclevername
2007-Oct-10, 02:28 AM
<snip>...cereals get flown in, so are luxury items.<snip>

[Actually, wheat is one of the highest oxygen producing plants per mass, so is likely to become a staple of any long-term human habitation in space.]

Certassar
2007-Oct-10, 11:30 PM
[Actually, wheat is one of the highest oxygen producing plants per mass....]

Yeah, but wheat wasn't exactly a lunar succes. We all remember the famine in '29 and the "Big Genostrophe" in '34. I think we'll have to live with syntho and ponic crops for a while, unless you can afford imports from the Big E. But, seriously, syntho isn't all that bad.


How long do you recomend staying and at which hotel? Which attractions are must-sees?

If you're into sports, there's plenty to do, of course. But you should definately pay a visit to Disney World Lunar Resort! It's not as big as Orlando, but twice as fun! I once took a daytrip to the southpole mercury telescope, but it wasn't in operation that day (check the operation schedule before booking!), but the guided tour was nice. But just walking around and seeing even the most mundane stuff is exciting, if you're a first time lunatic.

KaiYeves
2007-Oct-11, 12:30 AM
from the Big E
I thought Mount Everest was "the big E". Man, I'm out of touch with slang.

But you should definately pay a visit to Disney World Lunar Resort! It's not as big as Orlando, but twice as fun! I once took a daytrip to the southpole mercury telescope, but it wasn't in operation that day (check the operation schedule before booking!), but the guided tour was nice. But just walking around and seeing even the most mundane stuff is exciting, if you're a first time lunatic.
I picked up some brochures with about the Disney Lunar Resort at the Tourism Office. I think I'll stay at Crescent Earth Inn. Two stars, but great for budget travelers and youth. Near the main port in Clavius where all the Moonliners land, too.

Certassar
2007-Oct-11, 01:12 PM
I thought Mount Everest was "the big E".

But it is. The only dryland on Earth. ;-)

Van Rijn
2007-Oct-11, 09:23 PM
I'd make sure to take some time for cavern flying at the Luna City batcave. Try to get one of the expert flyers to take you under the wing (so to speak). Pro rigs are much more fun than tourist rigs, but pay attention - you can get in trouble much easier too.

KaiYeves
2007-Oct-28, 01:00 AM
Thanks. My flight leaves from Tyuratam at the begining of the Winter Holidays.

jamestox
2007-Nov-01, 06:47 PM
Van Rijn's right about the Luna City Batcave - definite "must see". Even if you don't have the funds to use the pro rigs, though, it's still a blast to do some cave flying - even if you have to use the tourist rigs! Hey, it's your vacation and how often do you get to visit the Moon? Make the best of the trip! Little tip, though: about 3 km from the start of the Cernan trail, where the cavern map looks like it takes a right jog and then straightens out a bit? Don't believe it. The cavern wall there has a chunk knocked out from my flight helmet. Talk about seeing stars.... If you stay about 10 m off the right cavern wall, you'll be fine.

If you do the sleep option on the way up, keep in mind that you'll wake up hungry, thirsty and your eyelids WILL be glued shut - they tell you about the first two, but the third one you learn on your own. It's damned annoying, since you're trying to pry your eyelashes apart right around the time the monitors come up showing the start of the landing approach (not to be missed).

While you're in Luna City, at least eat at Moonwalker in the Earthlight Hotel (even if you can't afford to stay there). The food is terrific and the prices are pretty reasonable. Be sure to try the vacuum-distilled peach brandy for a dessert drink, too. Just one, though, until you get used to the gravity and what the brandy'll do to your balance....

KaiYeves
2007-Nov-01, 09:53 PM
While you're in Luna City, at least eat at Moonwalker in the Earthlight Hotel (even if you can't afford to stay there). The food is terrific and the prices are pretty reasonable. Be sure to try the vacuum-distilled peach brandy for a dessert drink, too. Just one, though, until you get used to the gravity and what the brandy'll do to your balance....
I don't drink, but their mashed potatoes sound good. Actually, any mashed potatoes sound good to me, but I degress...
And I'm not so good with caves. No caustrophobia in artificial spaces, but there's something about being underground...

Certassar
2007-Nov-01, 10:26 PM
OK, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to psyche you. But book 2 daily halfhour sessions in an Earth room. It's included in the ticket price, but you still need to book. More than 90% of all the public space on Luna is below more than 15 meters of rock. The skylighting is superb, so you probably won't feel you are below ground, but if you feel any discomfort whatsoever, take a break in the Earth room. You'll find that it's not just for tourists - most people there are actually Lunatics.

Noclevername
2007-Nov-01, 10:57 PM
And if you do try the Batcave, don't be too anxious to jump right into the Air Fountain. I think they have at leat 5 deaths a year and dozens of injuries from tourists who think they're hot wingmen, ride too high and get bounced off the roof.

KaiYeves
2007-Dec-23, 06:58 PM
Presently at Tyuratam, posting from public Wi-Fi terminal.
My shuttle leaves in one hour.
I'm going to try and get a magazine to tide me over until then, but the periodicals shop doesn't seem to have much in English.

Noclevername
2007-Dec-27, 02:24 AM
I'm going to try and get a magazine to tide me over until then, but the periodicals shop doesn't seem to have much in English.
They should stock translator goggles for rent.

Oh, and Congrats!

Gemini
2007-Dec-27, 05:04 AM
I thought Mount Everest was "the big E". Man, I'm out of touch with slang.



And here I was thinking the Big E was the Enterprise.

jamestox
2007-Dec-27, 03:23 PM
KaiYeves,

I know you'll be leaving soon, but as soon as you possibly can, contact the ULLC and ask if you can get the educational tour of Farside Observatory - the surface transport has to be scheduled as a part of their normal supply delivery (twice each week), and it's been a while since I've checked the delivery schedule, but I think you may be able to do an "out-and-back" trip if you work it just right. The tour is free, and most people don't even think that an "educational tour" can be fun so they don't even bother. The two catches are that you have to pay your own way to the FO transport depot (including vacsuit rental - not too bad) and you have to get on the university's schedule at least three days prior to the tour. One of my coworkers is a supplier for FO's sensor suite and has made the trip four or five times (only once for business, though!). I try to book the trip every time I go to Luna City and I keep getting sidetracked at the last minute.

Swift
2007-Dec-27, 10:12 PM
I know you'll be leaving soon, but as soon as you possibly can, contact the ULLC and ask if you can get the educational tour of Farside Observatory - the surface transport has to be scheduled as a part of their normal supply delivery (twice each week), and it's been a while since
Try to drop a PM to Andromeda321 before you go. She doesn't post on BAUT much anymore, but Professor A used to be a regular here back in her high school and college days. Last I heard, she's the Deputy Director at Farside.

mike alexander
2007-Dec-28, 03:49 AM
And see if you can stop at the grave of D.D. Harriman. Since it was in shadow you can still read the Stevenson quote on the shipping tag.

KaiYeves
2007-Dec-28, 01:44 PM
Just touched down at Clavius Earthport, and it's great to talk to you guys again. The Wi-Fi terminals at Mir 2 cost more QUIDs than you'd believe! I just arranged the trip to FO, and I can't wait. The decorations for Apollo 8 Week are still up and they look lovely.
More later.

Romanus
2007-Dec-28, 02:52 PM
<<We all remember the famine in '29 and the "Big Genostrophe" in '34. >>

My worst memory, ever. :(

KaiYeves
2007-Dec-29, 08:42 PM
Just returned from a brief excursion to the hotel's SkyDome. Seeing the Earth hovering in the sky is really so amazing. For so many years, all humanity was contained in a space one can cover with a finger! I spent today at a recreation complex- man, basketball sure changes when you can jump six times as high!
I talked to Andromeda and the next trip to FO is the day after tomorrow, so I can spend a little time at Disney tomorrow if I take the fast shuttle.

man on the moon
2008-Jan-01, 03:23 AM
Me jealous you gets to go!

My parents went once--dad wanted to surprise my mom for their anniversary. They have pictures of some of the stuff mentioned, but I haven't seen the Apollo landing sites mentioned yet. You can rent a rover and guide just like an Earth side safari to see your choice of landing site(s). The best part is, my dad got a picture taken hanging by wires from a sort of frame they take along. The gimmick is that "Now you too can look like an Astro-not of moon hoax fame!" They'll digitally manipulate the photo to add stars, wires, multiple shadows...you name it, they can add it. Plus it's cool to just see where the first astronauts did their thing so many years ago. Kinda like seeing Plymouth Rock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Rock) for Americans.

The price is pretty intimidating unless you get a group to go. Check the announcement boards around town--in particular try the Hostel Lunar Nights as hostel goers tend to be more "for" the ad-hoc group adventures than many ritzier tourists. Enjoy whatever it is, and take some pictures for us to prove you are there!

Disclaimer: to satisfy everyone: this is a joke! I think we went to the Moon!

KaiYeves
2008-Jan-01, 04:38 AM
Posting from FO, and it is, as expected, Totally Sputnik!
Not being able to see Earth or recieve direct communications is a little disquieting, though. Even this post will have to go through several way-stations.
I'm going to check out the SETI facilities nearby tomorrow. Andromeda says that Jill Tartar's visiting. Wouldn't it be absolute zero if I could meet her?

KaiYeves
2008-Jan-02, 09:56 PM
Got Ms. Tartar's autograph, score! I'm sure the SETI researchers will succeed soon, but it didn't happen while I was there. The view of Mars from FO is splendid. I'll be back on the Nearside tomorrow, and I might be able to squeeze in a quick tour of the landing sites before comming home. I think this is the greatest vacation ever!

jamestox
2008-Jan-08, 04:04 PM
I know it's a bit late to ask this, KaiYeves, but did you happen to meet Dr. Amber Hastings (of Hastings P/2085(G) fame) at F.O. on your trip? She's F.O.'s Intra-System Specialist. Jerry says she's really sharp and reviewed some specs for a new sensor he's designing for them - she gave him the fifty-selene tour the first time he visited F.O. (I think Jerry may be kinda stuck on her - she being a tall blonde Lunarian. That would also explain the four other non-business trips (wink)). At 180 cm, I'm guessing she would've been difficult to miss.

KaiYeves
2008-Jan-08, 08:42 PM
I know it's a bit late to ask this, KaiYeves, but did you happen to meet Dr. Amber Hastings (of Hastings P/2085(G) fame) at F.O. on your trip? She's F.O.'s Intra-System Specialist. Jerry says she's really sharp and reviewed some specs for a new sensor he's designing for them - she gave him the fifty-selene tour the first time he visited F.O.
Oh, so that's what that PM about the story meant!
No, didn't meet any Dr. Hastings, sorry. 'Nice lady named Arroway helped when I got lost at the SETI facility. (I love "shared universe" fiction!)

Just got back from Tranquility. So amazing to see the very spot where we humans took our first steps on another world!
I'm going to a performance tonight, some acrobats who are experts at 1/6 gravity stunts. Tomorrow, Moon Town, O.S.!

KaiYeves
2008-Jan-12, 09:11 PM
Tomorrow, my flight back to Mir 2 leaves. I guess that means I won't see the Messenger photos until Tuesday, but I'll definitely fork over my QUIDs to visit the Planetary site and check them out.
I feel like a changed person for having spent this time on the moon. I've realized the vastness of the Universe and, conversely, how small and fragile the Earth is.
I'll like being home, of course, but I almost don't want to. I feel the explorer's spirit. From FO, Mars looked so big and bright. Now that we're gone this far, it would be a crime to turn back.

ravens_cry
2008-Jan-13, 10:09 AM
I am applying for a workers permit. I am not the least claustrophobic, so even the darkest lunar caves should be fine for me. As a chef I can work anywhere in the world, including the moon, I mean, we all got to eat. I only have a week to find a job, even if I do get the permit, so here's hoping. No time for all the touristy stuff, though I hope to get a chance to visit Tranquility. All fingers, toes, and even eyes, crossed. I here that they are thinking of opening a hotel on Mars. They say it is going to be called the "Red Thunder"

KaiYeves
2008-Jan-27, 08:31 PM
Say, these posts could be strung together to make a good kids book.
Travelog From The Moon, maybe.

publiusr
2008-Jan-28, 10:28 PM
They revoked my Visa as the last moment.

KaiYeves
2008-Jan-29, 08:45 PM
They revoked my Visa as the last moment.
That stinks.

jamestox
2008-Jan-30, 07:48 PM
Great idea, KaiYeves!

KaiYeves
2008-Feb-09, 09:42 PM
Great idea, KaiYeves!
What year in the future should we set it? I don't think younger kids would understand the whole "this is the present day in an alternate reality" thing.

Noclevername
2008-Feb-09, 10:41 PM
What year in the future should we set it? I don't think younger kids would understand the whole "this is the present day in an alternate reality" thing.

Given the rate at which we're moving now, at least 50 or 60 years in the future, if not more. :sad:

ravens_cry
2008-Feb-10, 09:13 AM
I think we should set it in the Now (just a different Now), if we keep setting these wonderful things in the future, they will always seem remote and far off. Inaccessible. But if we set it in a now and say this is what we COULD have had, it just may encourage more kids to work in the relevant fields so we get there all the faster. We keep pushing the dates in sci-fi further and further ahead, instead of asking ourselves "Why couldn't we have done that by now, if we had really made an effort then?" Kennedy gave America 8 years to get to the moon, and they met his challenge. Would they have gone if he gave them 20?

KaiYeves
2008-Feb-10, 05:11 PM
I think we should set it in the Now (just a different Now), if we keep setting these wonderful things in the future, they will always seem remote and far off.
I'm just saying the really little kids might not understand that. I had trouble at age eight with the whole "Star Wars is a long time ago" thing.

ravens_cry
2008-Feb-10, 07:06 PM
When I was eight, we had the children's Britannica encyclopedias. There was a few articles on astronauts and spaceships and space stations. I recently found some of the books at a local thrift store, and I relies now, the space ships while practical looking, where way in advance of anything we have now. They showed dozens of astronauts working on a gigantic space station, they showed a thriving moon base. They where awe inspiring. And they seemed so close, so real.
We also had some children's encyclopaedias from the mid 60's. They were also mind blowing. Whoever edited them loved space, or knew kids who loved space. With lots of pretty pictures , and a supervising amount of information on things like thrust and specific impulse, they showed a future that never was. They had articles about Nova, Orion, Electra. It also talked about the things that where happening at that time, like Luna, Ranger, and Mariner. Most importantly, it dreamed, and I dreamed that dream as well. I saw these things, and I looked at the might of the space shuttle, which seemed so cool, and still is. But it paled compared to the great dream.
So don't say it's a kids book, they won't understand things like that. Was it not said "Any book is a children's book if they can read it"? If a child can not grasp the idea of other Now's, it is unlikely the adult of the child will either. I still find Star Wars mind blowing "If its a really, long time ago, how come they got spaceships? Why don't we got spaceships?" would be my petulant line of questioning. Heres an idea for the opening.
"These stories are based on a Future from the Past. When we write about the Future, we like to put in some far away year. But the Future year after year becomes the Now. The year may be Now, but this Future is not. But we writers really wish it was. That is why we wrote these stories."

KaiYeves
2008-Feb-11, 12:20 AM
"These stories are based on a Future from the Past. When we write about the Future, we like to put in some far away year. But the Future year after year becomes the Now. The year may be Now, but this Future is not. But we writers really wish it was. That is why we wrote these stories."
That is a great line!
I think maybe we could not mention the year, only say "Man, the 21st century is great." or something like that, but your idea is much better.
And, I understand Star Wars now, I just didn't then.

ravens_cry
2008-Feb-11, 04:03 AM
I think I can only take one universe filled with gobbledegook, breaking its own rules, and things not making sense.:doh: And since I am a Trekkie, I already got one! :lol:

Noclevername
2008-Feb-11, 10:43 PM
Let's just not say when it is. No reason to confuse the kids (or frustrate the adults).

KaiYeves
2008-Feb-12, 01:50 AM
Let's just not say when it is. No reason to confuse the kids (or frustrate the adults).
Okay by me. What should the main character's name be? I kind of like Angela.

KaiYeves
2008-Feb-23, 12:58 AM
I am writing the book now. Some posts were merged and some names were changed, but it's true to the spirit.

jamestox
2008-Feb-25, 05:59 AM
I like Angela.

KaiYeves
2008-Feb-25, 11:05 PM
I kept the book in Forum form, so you only see her username, Dolphin3.

Noclevername
2008-Feb-25, 11:53 PM
Are you including these posts about it being fiction? ;)

KaiYeves
2008-Feb-26, 01:01 AM
No, silly.

jamestox
2008-Mar-02, 01:56 AM
BTW, KaiYeves, you may want to change the name of the scientist in the post about meeting Amber Hastings. She is a copyrighted character by a published author and I wouldn't want to cause you any problems.

KaiYeves
2008-Mar-02, 02:17 AM
That whole post was left out. I said that there were some alterations.
But my dad pointed out a big error:
It's sometime in the future, and Dolphin3 flies to Mir 2. What happened to ISS?

ravens_cry
2008-Mar-03, 12:43 AM
Maybe the same thing that happened to Freedom, it never happened.

Ara Pacis
2008-Mar-04, 12:24 AM
This looked like it was fun... too bad I was on sabbatical on Venus at Terranimbus Station 3.

Noclevername
2008-Mar-04, 04:36 AM
That whole post was left out. I said that there were some alterations.
But my dad pointed out a big error:
It's sometime in the future, and Dolphin3 flies to Mir 2. What happened to ISS?

It's now an orbital gift shop attached to the Upper Hilton.

KaiYeves
2008-Mar-06, 12:01 AM
Maybe they renamed it Mir 2 upon completion...

Noclevername
2008-Mar-06, 03:07 AM
Maybe they renamed it Mir 2 upon completion...

No way they kept it a minute more than they had to. No, it's been replaced by more practical designs not limited by Shuttle payloads and international politics.

KaiYeves
2008-Mar-06, 10:44 PM
Still, if it's up there, why throw it away? Maybe I'll just write ISS instead of Mir 2 in the story.

Noclevername
2008-Mar-07, 07:15 AM
Still, if it's up there, why throw it away? Maybe I'll just write ISS instead of Mir 2 in the story.

NONONONOOOOO!!!!!! Please don't sully what has so far been a wonderful fantasy with a specter of disappointment. In the world that leads to Lunar vacations, the series of debacles and compromises that led to the ISS would never have happened.

If you must have it, just say the ISS is a museum piece (in an orbital museum, natch). Kids can crawl through some of the tunnels and such. Call the new station Skylab IX or something.

KaiYeves
2008-Mar-07, 11:56 PM
Having it in a museum sounds like a good idea.

Ara Pacis
2008-Mar-08, 12:21 AM
Having it in a museum sounds like a good idea.

How about in an orbiting museum where it floats in the middle of a large spinning cylinder that produces artificual gravity for the station. You can explain how they built the spinning part around the old station to preserve it and enclose it in it's own vacuum chamber

KaiYeves
2008-Mar-08, 12:31 AM
How about in an orbiting museum where it floats in the middle of a large spinning cylinder that produces artificual gravity for the station. You can explain how they built the spinning part around the old station to preserve it and enclose it in it's own vacuum chamber
That's one big museum.

Ara Pacis
2008-Mar-08, 08:32 PM
That's one big museum.

Well, only the middle part would be museum. The rest of the station could be shops and entertainment. Make it one big edu-tainment theme park.

Noclevername
2008-Mar-08, 11:44 PM
That's one big museum.

Nope. Orbital structures can be a lot bigger than the paltry space stations of the real-world present, as the building materials are sent down-gravity rather than up and there's a lot more builders in space "now". So a museum could be large enough to tuck the ISS away in a single wing. ;)

KaiYeves
2008-Mar-09, 12:58 AM
I've finished the rough draft. Do you think its okay to use the abreviation "LOL" in the story or would not enough people understand it?

Noclevername
2008-Mar-09, 04:36 AM
I've finished the rough draft. Do you think its okay to use the abreviation "LOL" in the story or would not enough people understand it?

Depends who reads it. :D

KaiYeves
2008-Mar-09, 02:00 PM
Depends who reads it.
Kids eight and up, and their parents.

Noclevername
2008-Mar-09, 11:17 PM
Kids eight and up, and their parents.

The kids will explain it to the parents.

jamestox
2008-Mar-10, 05:33 PM
:) .."and the children shall lead the way...."

Ara Pacis
2008-Mar-10, 08:05 PM
:) .."and the children shall lead the way...."

"And the road to Hell is paved with good intentions."

KaiYeves
2008-Mar-10, 09:33 PM
But do reviewers know what LOL means?

Noclevername
2008-Mar-11, 02:46 AM
But do reviewers know what LOL means?

Most reviewers write on the internet these days. They'll know. And the few that don't, you'll never know about, because they only publish in rinky-dink local papers.

KaiYeves
2008-Mar-11, 11:46 PM
Most reviewers write on the internet these days. They'll know. And the few that don't, you'll never know about, because they only publish in rinky-dink local papers.
You're right. But I didn't use any other abreviations, for the sake of clarity.

KaiYeves
2008-May-04, 10:57 PM
I lost the ruddy manuscript!

jamestox
2008-May-13, 04:18 PM
What??? Please say you didn't - after all the work you've put into it!!

KaiYeves
2008-May-13, 06:51 PM
It's somewhere in my house, but I don't know where!