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Elijah888
2007-Dec-11, 03:20 AM
Having read a few of the posts concerning the book "Return of Planet X" I would say that the critiques of this book exude fear and the unwillingness to perhaps come to terms with the fact that our earth could very well go through some drastic changes and could very well fall to pieces. As a matter of fact there is excellent Science and astronomy in this book. Facts are a stubborn thing and it is unfortunate that there are many who refuse to accept the Truth. There is a thing called common sense, logic and a combination of much circumstantial evidence which can help in finding the Truth. The other Option is seeing is believing!!! Yes there are those who can say they have heard the end of the world story many times in the past and they are still here!! This in no way means that the world will not end in some future time. I believe that there is much evidence to support the fact that 2012 will be significant to our earth..in fact, the Book "The Return of Planet X" will be shown to have much validity, and one would be wise to TAKE HEED of the words and message therein!!!:)

Elijah

Halcyon Dayz
2007-Dec-11, 04:32 AM
http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/frech/o015.gif Hi, Elijah888.

Read the FAQ (http://www.bautforum.com/faq.php), especially the Rules (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?p=564845), and be ready to be piled upon by the regulars. :lol:

For starters, why do you say that the critiques of this book exude fear?

Exirus
2007-Dec-11, 09:38 AM
(approximately every 3,600 years -- first passing through the solar system then back out again), suggests that its 'destructive cycle' occurs in two phases. The 'first phase' begins with X's initial pass-through in 2009 separated by three years until its 'second phase.'

(Taken from the book's Editorial Reviews)


he Mayan Celestial Calendar Codex inexplicably ends 21 December 2012. According to ancient Mayan cosmology, 'time' as we know it on Earth will reach its climax on that date. Written across the scroll of time and space, the author believes Planet-X will first return in 2009 and again in 2012.


As a matter of fact there is excellent Science and astronomy in this book. Facts are a stubborn thing and it is unfortunate that there are many who refuse to accept the Truth

So pretty much from the review, "X" was last seen "Roughly 3,459 years ago" and will be back in 2009 to scout the earth, and then again in 2012 to bring "time" as we know it...To an end.. And these are stubborn facts we're overlooking?

And I'm also kind of curious how the mayans could see what modern day astronomers can not see.


(And shouldn't this be moved to CT? )

Laguna
2007-Dec-11, 10:34 AM
(And shouldn't this be moved to CT? )
I guess it should. Planet X is CT as much as any CT could be.

OP reported...

Exirus
2007-Dec-11, 11:28 AM
Ah, that sounded kind of rude, didn't meant to make it sound like that :P

Maha Vailo
2007-Dec-11, 11:52 AM
OK, here's the facts. If something like that was hanging around our solar system, we would've seen it years ago. For the record, we haven't.

Also, if something like that made a pass some 3600 years ago, it would've leveled everything, and I do mean everything. For the record, numerous structures from that era (or before) are still standing - the Pyramids and the Great Wall of China to name two striking examples.

I say you should stop chasing phantoms and start thinking about real threats to Earth from above.

- Maha "X-ceptionally mad about this" Vailo

Swift
2007-Dec-11, 04:12 PM
(Taken from the book's Editorial Reviews)


he Mayan Celestial Calendar Codex inexplicably ends 21 December 2012. According to ancient Mayan cosmology, 'time' as we know it on Earth will reach its climax on that date. Written across the scroll of time and space, the author believes Planet-X will first return in 2009 and again in 2012.

Thanks for the excerpts Exirus.

The Gregorian calendar "inexplicably" ends on 31 December 2007. But I went to the store and bought a 2008 calendar, which luckily starts up the very next day. :doh:

@Elijah888 - As explained many times around this forum, the Mayan calendar no more ends than ours did on 31 December 1999. If you would like to actually discuss why you think otherwise, please let us know why you have come to believe this.

KaiYeves
2007-Dec-11, 08:46 PM
So pretty much from the review, "X" was last seen "Roughly 3,459 years ago"
So that would give the author what, a maximum of two documented instances from civilized times? I could find way more than that about dragons, unicorns or something similarly imaginary.

01101001
2007-Dec-11, 08:46 PM
How many 2012 topics does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

At least this many:

2003 no, 2012 si (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=03179)
2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=03181)
Pole shift / Planetary alignment 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=07145)
2012 alignment question (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=09421)
about the Mayan 2012 item (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=10214)
2012 Debunking? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=10724)
Possible asteroid impact in 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=10924)
2012 asteroid? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=13592)
We don't have to worry about 2012! (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=16490)
More on 2012 from India Daily (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=16709)
2012 Completion of conspiracy? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=17667)
Here's what's REALLY going to happen in 2012... (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=18322)
crop circles, Planet X and 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=18375)
Planet X, crop circles and 2012 cataclysma (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=18378)
According to the Mayans, what will happen on 23rd Dec. 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=18757)
More 2012 Nonsense (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=19201)
NEO 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=20191)
Dangerous NEO in 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=20539)
Christmas 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=23941)
2012 mayan calender end of world (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=30892)
Regarding the supposed polar shift/new ice age in 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=31452)
New 2012 threat? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=32413)
2012 look at this thing on the sun (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=35462)
Russian Expert Predicts Global Cooling from 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=38978)
Pole shift idea origins (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=43775)
Dec 20 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=46117)
2012 Stuff (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=51021)
Horizon Project-New End of World Scare? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53788)
Date: December 21st 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53831)
Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn't that already happen? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53904)
2012: What do you think well happen (if anything) (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53924)
So what will we see in 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=54404)
Galactic Tsunami? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=54418)
Plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=55312)
Earth's Magnetic Field & 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=55386)
2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=56513)
Any truth to this? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=58039)
How can the sun be aligned with Galactic centre? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=63109)
the whole 2012 poles flip nonsense (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=63449)
Planet X Official Advertisement (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=65831)
What year are we in (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=66055)
Quick question about the sun (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=66221)
Galactic Alignment (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=66414)
Books of 2012! - (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=67663)
2007 = 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=67908)
Return of Planet X By Rand (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=67948)
Don Alejandro - Mayan Elder. (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=67954)

Swift
2007-Dec-11, 09:54 PM
How many 2012 topics does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

None, the Mayans didn't have light bulbs.
Ten, as in Planet X.
Only one, but they could only do it every 3600 years.
Want to learn how the coming of the new age in 2012 will lead to the end of light bulbs AS WE KNOW THEM!!!!!. Then just send $23.95 to...

Exirus
2007-Dec-12, 12:31 AM
Oh hey! A hit an run post about buying a book! :mad:

man on the moon
2007-Dec-15, 12:10 AM
None, the Mayans didn't have light bulbs.
Ten, as in Planet X.
Only one, but they could only do it every 3600 years.
Want to learn how the coming of the new age in 2012 will lead to the end of light bulbs AS WE KNOW THEM!!!!!. Then just send $23.95 to...

Bold emphasis mine...

I wonder if they are compact flourescent? I just put one in my bedroom and it doesn't work. Every other compact flourescent I've switched to works but this one :@.

On other news, aside from this looking like a hit and run, Planet X was in it's hey-day the first time I started posting here about...four years ago? I think I'm going to skip this one out. Though I may refer back if someone in the real world asks me about it...

*Runs off before he can get sucked into reading an endless list of posts.

ematt
2008-Jan-28, 05:25 AM
LOL Swift! My $23.95 is in the mail. Hey folks, I'm new to the forums. I ran across this place attempting to find reason in a world trying desperately to re-embrace mysticism. It seems I succeeded :)
I look forward to reading through many more posts.

John Mendenhall
2008-Jan-28, 06:00 PM
LOL Swift! My $23.95 is in the mail. Hey folks, I'm new to the forums. I ran across this place attempting to find reason in a world trying desperately to re-embrace mysticism. It seems I succeeded :)
I look forward to reading through many more posts.

Wow, why are we wasting our time with rational astronomy when we can make real money by predicting the end of the world? Sign up now, folks, and we'll predict the end of the world for next month, which inexplicably ends after only 29 days. And if it doesn't happen, then we'll predict it for March, which inexplicably has two more days than the previous month. And if it doesn't happen then, we'll predict the following month, and so forth ad infinitum . . .

Thus we will introduce the idea of infinite series to the unsophisticated.

Speaking of series, seriously, welome, this forum features some of the best rationalists around. If you enjoy seeing purveyors of nonsense reduced to frustrated sputtering, this is the place. Have fun.

Regards, John M.

KaiYeves
2008-Jan-28, 09:29 PM
Welcome to BAUT, ematt.
Sometimes I also wonder if so many people really are so crazy, or if only the ones who have the Internet are.

Rue
2008-Jan-29, 02:49 AM
Welcome to BAUT, ematt.
Sometimes I also wonder if so many people really are so crazy, or if only the ones who have the Internet are.

Nah, there's always been lots of crazy about. Today the internet brings them all into your home.



Wow, why are we wasting our time with rational astronomy when we can make real money by predicting the end of the world?

This brings back the good ole' days of Nancy and the Reticuli. Here's a poem I wrote then:

There IS a planet called X.
It's doom for us all I expects.

If you don't know what to do
Ask and we'll give you a clue.

We take cash, credit card and checks.

Byrd
2008-Jan-31, 09:46 PM
(Taken from the book's Editorial Reviews)
So pretty much from the review, "X" was last seen "Roughly 3,459 years ago" and will be back in 2009 to scout the earth, and then again in 2012 to bring "time" as we know it...To an end.. And these are stubborn facts we're overlooking?

No, they're stubborn fictions we're ignoring.

3,500 years ago (that's 1500 BC) there were many literate civilizations from the Indians to the Egyptians to the Chinese (to name the 3 biggies) plus the Sumerians. Now, it's just darn amazing that none of these peoples wrote about a horking big planet zooming past. Nor is it referenced in any rock art of the period. 7,000 years ago we have more pictographs (rock art) and there's nothing about big things in the sky or huge disasters.

None of the villages (and there are quite a few) show traces of wholesale disaster. 3,500 years ago, whole civilizations did not suddenly fall prey to natural disasters.

But of course, the "global flood and destruction everywhere" is far more entertaining than the truth.


And I'm also kind of curious how the mayans could see what modern day astronomers can not see.

Not only see, but fail to name. Niether they nor the Sumerians bothered to name any planets beyond Saturn. This holds true of other ancient civilizations (the Mayans and the Sumerians were the most sky-obsessed.)

They also failed to note the "passing of planet X (or whatever). And the calendar that famously "runs out" was not meant to be a definitive statement on the end of the world. There are engraved dates on Mayan ruins that point to dates beyond 2012.

(disclaimer: I'm an anthropologist, not an astronomer.)

AndreasJ
2008-Feb-01, 02:09 PM
3,500 years ago (that's 1500 BC) there were many literate civilizations from the Indians to the Egyptians to the Chinese (to name the 3 biggies) plus the Sumerians.

Er, no. We do not have historical records from ca 1500 BC India or China, and the Sumerians were long gone as an ethnic group by then.

The civilizations we've got historical records of from this period are all in and around the Middle East, such as Egypt, Babylonia, and the Hettites.

Halcyon Dayz
2008-Feb-01, 03:21 PM
Er, no. We do not have historical records from ca 1500 BC India or China, and the Sumerians were long gone as an ethnic group by then.

The civilizations we've got historical records of from this period are all in and around the Middle East, such as Egypt, Babylonia, and the Hittites.

Most of the Rigveda was written by 1,500 BC, and Chinese astronomical records go back more then 4,000 years.

And this is the time of the megalithic/bronze age culture in Europe, which left its records in stone.
There were also city building civilisations in the New World.

KaiYeves
2008-Feb-01, 08:57 PM
3,500 years ago (that's 1500 BC) there were many literate civilizations from the Indians to the Egyptians to the Chinese (to name the 3 biggies) plus the Sumerians. Now, it's just darn amazing that none of these peoples wrote about a horking big planet zooming past. Nor is it referenced in any rock art of the period. 7,000 years ago we have more pictographs (rock art) and there's nothing about big things in the sky or huge disasters.
You're right, there isn't. All of these ancient cultures watched the sky a lot, but there isn't anything in their records.
Bad Archeoastronomy.:hand:

AndreasJ
2008-Feb-06, 09:10 PM
Most of the Rigveda was written by 1,500 BC, and Chinese astronomical records go back more then 4,000 years.
No they weren't and no they don't. While the Rigveda hymns may date to the second millennium BC they weren't put in writing until the first (Indic writing dates to ~500 BC), and they're hardly historical records anyway. The earliest readable Chinese texts are from centuries later than 1500 BC, and they're oracle texts, not astronomical records.

And this is the time of the megalithic/bronze age culture in Europe, which left its records in stone.
There were also city building civilisations in the New World.
So? The issue was literate civilizations.

Noclevername
2008-Feb-07, 05:02 AM
So? The issue was literate civilizations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_civilization

OK, got your writing, got your math, got your astronomy...

AndreasJ
2008-Feb-07, 04:48 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_civilization

OK, got your writing, got your math, got your astronomy...

Am I to assume you missed this part: "The earliest inscriptions in an identifiably-Maya script date back to 200300 BC"?

Noclevername
2008-Feb-08, 01:58 AM
Am I to assume you missed this part: "The earliest inscriptions in an identifiably-Maya script date back to 200300 BC"?
:doh:Actually, I did.:doh:

The civilizations of that time would have been the Zapotec and possibly early Olmec, both of whom kept calendars of celestial events.

AndreasJ
2008-Feb-08, 03:34 PM
You'll find that neither Olmec nor Zapotec writing goes back to 1500 BC. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapotec_civilization) again:

The Zapotecs developed a calendar and a logosyllabic system of writing that used a separate glyph to represent each of the syllables of the language. This writing system is one of several candidates thought to have been the first writings system of Mesoamerica and the predecessor of the writing systems developed by the Maya, Mixtec, and Aztec civilizations. At the present time, there is some debate as to whether or not Olmec symbols, dated to 650 BC, are actually a form of writing preceding the oldest Zapotec writing dated to about 500 BC.


Not that this is terribly relevant to the supposed subject of the thread . Even if we had no written records from ~1500 BC - and of course we do, from the Middle East - the physical arcahaeology all these places and more shows there was no worldwide destruction at that time.

Noclevername
2008-Feb-09, 04:03 PM
You'll find that neither Olmec nor Zapotec writing goes back to 1500 BC. True but irrelevant. I said calendars, not writing. Which do go back roughly that far.



Not that this is terribly relevant to the supposed subject of the thread .

An incorrect statement is an incorrect statement.

Never mind, I'll let it go. I'm one of these, (http://www.bautforum.com/off-topic-babbling/35177-you-know-youre-geek-nerd-if.html) I can't help it. :doh:

AndreasJ
2008-Feb-09, 04:13 PM
True but irrelevant. I said calendars, not writing. Which do go back roughly that far.

True, you said calendars. I should not have assumed that because we were talking about writing, that's what you meant.

Edit: That said, could you provide a reference for Mesoamerican calendars existing as early as 1500 BC? The most helpful thing google finds me is this remark from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_calendars):

Stelae 12 and 13 from Monte Alban, provisionally dated to 500-400 BC, showing what is thought to be one of the earliest calendric representations in Mesoamerica.

Noclevername
2008-Feb-09, 08:54 PM
Edit: That said, could you provide a reference for Mesoamerican calendars existing as early as 1500 BC?

...I wish I could remember where I got that. Sorry, I'm in the process of switching meds, my memory's full of holes right now.:boohoo:

Tricky Woo
2008-Feb-18, 12:25 AM
The Chinese have had continuous history since well before 1500 BC.

TW

Eckelston
2008-Feb-18, 07:56 PM
Yes there are those who can say they have heard the end of the world story many times in the past and they are still here!! This in no way means that the world will not end in some future time.

Can I use this as a sig line? Please!

kanut
2008-Oct-20, 05:10 AM
This is hilarius, no one worked out the name Niburu/Nibiru originate's from Japan, and mean's, to become dull, blunt and weak, which is I guess, something the Jap's have put in everyone's water to stop Briton's, ie; Bright One's, being bright, if you know what I mean!

truthsearcher
2009-Sep-19, 07:46 PM
I have been studying this senario for ten years. I have the facts, not the fiction.First, the mayan calender does not reflect the end of time.It reflects the end of an era, or age.They do not speak of disaster or a planet.The planet "Nibiru" comes from the sumerians on the other side of earth.The sumerians speak of a planet in a 3600 year cycle, but guess what? They had a very different for of math than us.They used a sexigeismal system (based on the number 6). The sumerians also had knowledge of our solar system, the sun in the middle, planets rotating in the proper order, only an extra one. Many early peoples had unexplainable knowledge.There was an African tribe (descendants of egyptins) that knew there were three entities that made up sirius. I stress the word "unexplainable". There is no connection between the sumerians and 2012. Sumerian artifacts can be viewed via the internet, or go visit the museums as I did. I was fortunate enough to be able to examin first hand 7 cuneiform cylinders. They were amazingly smart, but that is where it stops folks. If Nibiru is coming ( and that's an astronomically big if,literally) then it will not be in our life time simply because it cannot be detected by any government or obsevatory with any credibility.Those who say it is definately is attempting to sell you a book, or subscription to their website. A great way to make money. I think I should start doing the same thing since it works so well.What's the old saying? "There is a sucker born every minute".

A.DIM
2009-Sep-19, 09:39 PM
They had a very different for of math than us.They used a sexigeismal system (based on the number 6).

Sexagesimal is base 60, and is used in modern times for geometry and time keeping.


The sumerians also had knowledge of our solar system, the sun in the middle, planets rotating in the proper order, only an extra one.

From where did they get this knowledge, I wonder?

AndreasJ
2009-Sep-20, 08:00 AM
Necromancy alert! This thread was almost a year old when truthsearcher resurrected it. Mods may want to split it.

Minuteman
2009-Oct-06, 10:35 PM
Maha, I'm not an astronomer, but I feel your skepticism regarding Planet X just might mislead a lot of naive, curious people, that really deserve a chance to prepare for the awful earth changes that are already starting to befall us. Facts: 1) Most star systems are BINARY. Ours is no exception. It has our sun, and its brown dwarf sister, which orbits our sun on a 3630 year long, elliptical orbit. 2) It is the eventual fate of all secondary brown dwarfs in unstable orbits to eventually fall into their dominate sister suns! 3) You say we would have seen it. We have. Next year, when P X rises above the elliptic, it will reflect our sun's light like a planet, and everyone will pee their pants at the same time! Our ancestors also suffered fly bys from P X. Those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it! If you take the year 2012 and go back in time 3630 years, you will find yourself at the year 1618 B.C. What happened that year was the EXODUS of the JEWS out of Egypt. Ever hear of the ten plagues of Pharoah? Well, both the Jews and the Egyptians had scribes in those days. All of the calamities that were happening then, due to the flyby of P X was attributed to God, by the Jewish scribes, and to the "DESTROYER", as P X was described by the Egyptians, in their "GREAT BOOK"! The Jews said," And God turned the Nile to Blood," and the Egyptians said, "And the Nile was turned red from all the burning hail stones from the "Destroyer belching out fire." (meteorites) Both versions compliment, and verify each other, on all 10 of the plagues of Pharoah. The Kolbrin Bible is the "Rosetta Stone" of Planet X. Read it. You might learn something. If one goes back 3630 years further back in time you will arrive at the year 5248 B.C. What was happening? The great flood of Noah! Don't think that P X can cause rain for 40 days and 40 nights? Guess again. It can, and did. Want to go back another 3630 years? You get the destruction of Atlantis in 8878 B.C. How do I know? The ancient Celts wrote their histories down also. Three shiploads of survivors from Atlantis landed on the Scottish coast, and were adopted into the Celtic tribes. They were workers of metals and armaments. It even names the three tribes of Celts! The Celts called P X THE FRIGHTENER! This is all documented in the Kolbrin Bible. I own it. I've read it. I believe it. You can pooh pooh the next fly by of P X, but I'm taking it quite seriously. As it approaches earth it will inflame our sun, and our sun will inflame it, to the point where P X will ignite again, as it does on every flyby. There will be cosmic lightning between the heavenly bodies, and earth. There will be tremendous earthquakes, tectonic plate break ups, torrential, non stop deluges, perpetual storms, and a possibility of 1,000 mile an hour winds, if the poles shift, which they are expected to do. P X produces plenty of heat to support the possibility of life on some of its SIX planets, or moons. You can't see it now, unless you have infra red vision. The USA has built the world's largest infra-red scope at the South Pole. It is known as the SPT (South Pole Telescope). It was built SPECIFICALLY to observe the approach of P X from the Southern Hemisphere. It has a TEN METER DISH! Don't believe the govt. cover story on why it was built. P X will fly by twice. First up and over from the South, and then down from the North on the way out. It will pass closer on its trip out, so whatever it does coming in, it will be worse on the fly out. The Dec. 21 2009 event is a Non-event compared to P Xs fly bys. Due to ocean splash waves from meteors, and possible Tsunamis from earthquakes, and tectonic plate break ups, one needs to be at least 2 kilometers high, and several hundred miles from sea coasts, and the Mississippi River Drainage. If Yellowstone blows, it may take 5-10 YEARS before there is enough sunlight to grow crops again! Think nuclear winter scenario! A mine tunnel at 7,000 feet would be ideal. The BIGGEST danger is from our own sun's radiation. You need six feet of dirt, or 2 feet of concrete over you to CYA! Of course, if these solar storms ionize the atmosphere we are all dead anyway! Best website I've found is Marshal Masters' site www.yowusa.com
Minuteman
You have now been warned!


OK, here's the facts. If something like that was hanging around our solar system, we would've seen it years ago. For the record, we haven't.

Also, if something like that made a pass some 3600 years ago, it would've leveled everything, and I do mean everything. For the record, numerous structures from that era (or before) are still standing - the Pyramids and the Great Wall of China to name two striking examples.

I say you should stop chasing phantoms and start thinking about real threats to Earth from above.

- Maha "X-ceptionally mad about this" Vailo

R.A.F.
2009-Oct-07, 02:04 AM
...I'm not an astronomer...

That much is quite evident from your post.


Next year, when P X rises above the elliptic, it will reflect our sun's light like a planet, and everyone will pee their pants at the same time!

Sorry to disappoint, but generally speaking folks here are not frightened by fear mongers spouting pseudo-scientific nonsense.


You can pooh pooh the next fly by of P X, but I'm taking it quite seriously. As it approaches earth it will inflame our sun, and our sun will inflame it to the point where P X will ignite again, as it does on every flyby.

I know you are not an astronomer, but exactly what does "inflame our Sun" mean???


There will be cosmic lightning between the heavenly bodies, and earth.

What is Cosmic lightning???

01101001
2009-Oct-07, 02:43 AM
You have now been warned!

I beg to differ. I have been amused. Not warned.

Orion's Fan
2009-Oct-07, 02:51 AM
Maha, I'm not an astronomer, ...snip...
Minuteman
You have now been warned!

I'm a fairly new member here, too, but I have already read enough of the "2012" threads to know that most of what you say has already been debunked. You might do well to read a few of those threads yourself, since you are admittedly NOT an astronomer and obviously are just regurgitating information from non-reputable sources.

Let me also suggest using paragraphs in future posts. It makes your "points" easier to follow.

Van Rijn
2009-Oct-07, 06:08 AM
You say we would have seen it. We have.


Nonsense. If there were something the size of a Brown Dwarf, in an orbit around the sun, and already close to the Earth (which it would have to be, given the 2012 claim), it would be visible to the naked eye from a large chunk of the planet. Nobody could hide something like that.

A.DIM
2009-Oct-07, 11:27 AM
Maha, I'm not an astronomer, but I feel your skepticism regarding Planet X just might mislead a lot of naive, curious people, that really deserve a chance to prepare for the awful earth changes that are already starting to befall us. Facts: 1) Most star systems are BINARY. Ours is no exception. It has our sun, and its brown dwarf sister, which orbits our sun on a 3630 year long, elliptical orbit. 2) It is the eventual fate of all secondary brown dwarfs in unstable orbits to eventually fall into their dominate sister suns! 3) You say we would have seen it. We have. Next year, when P X rises above the elliptic, it will reflect our sun's light like a planet, and everyone will pee their pants at the same time! Our ancestors also suffered fly bys from P X. Those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it! If you take the year 2012 and go back in time 3630 years, you will find yourself at the year 1618 B.C. What happened that year was the EXODUS of the JEWS out of Egypt. Ever hear of the ten plagues of Pharoah? Well, both the Jews and the Egyptians had scribes in those days. All of the calamities that were happening then, due to the flyby of P X was attributed to God, by the Jewish scribes, and to the "DESTROYER", as P X was described by the Egyptians, in their "GREAT BOOK"! The Jews said," And God turned the Nile to Blood," and the Egyptians said, "And the Nile was turned red from all the burning hail stones from the "Destroyer belching out fire." (meteorites) Both versions compliment, and verify each other, on all 10 of the plagues of Pharoah. The Kolbrin Bible is the "Rosetta Stone" of Planet X. Read it. You might learn something. If one goes back 3630 years further back in time you will arrive at the year 5248 B.C. What was happening? The great flood of Noah! Don't think that P X can cause rain for 40 days and 40 nights? Guess again. It can, and did. Want to go back another 3630 years? You get the destruction of Atlantis in 8878 B.C. How do I know? The ancient Celts wrote their histories down also. Three shiploads of survivors from Atlantis landed on the Scottish coast, and were adopted into the Celtic tribes. They were workers of metals and armaments. It even names the three tribes of Celts! The Celts called P X THE FRIGHTENER! This is all documented in the Kolbrin Bible. I own it. I've read it. I believe it. You can pooh pooh the next fly by of P X, but I'm taking it quite seriously. As it approaches earth it will inflame our sun, and our sun will inflame it, to the point where P X will ignite again, as it does on every flyby. There will be cosmic lightning between the heavenly bodies, and earth. There will be tremendous earthquakes, tectonic plate break ups, torrential, non stop deluges, perpetual storms, and a possibility of 1,000 mile an hour winds, if the poles shift, which they are expected to do. P X produces plenty of heat to support the possibility of life on some of its SIX planets, or moons. You can't see it now, unless you have infra red vision. The USA has built the world's largest infra-red scope at the South Pole. It is known as the SPT (South Pole Telescope). It was built SPECIFICALLY to observe the approach of P X from the Southern Hemisphere. It has a TEN METER DISH! Don't believe the govt. cover story on why it was built. P X will fly by twice. First up and over from the South, and then down from the North on the way out. It will pass closer on its trip out, so whatever it does coming in, it will be worse on the fly out. The Dec. 21 2009 event is a Non-event compared to P Xs fly bys. Due to ocean splash waves from meteors, and possible Tsunamis from earthquakes, and tectonic plate break ups, one needs to be at least 2 kilometers high, and several hundred miles from sea coasts, and the Mississippi River Drainage. If Yellowstone blows, it may take 5-10 YEARS before there is enough sunlight to grow crops again! Think nuclear winter scenario! A mine tunnel at 7,000 feet would be ideal. The BIGGEST danger is from our own sun's radiation. You need six feet of dirt, or 2 feet of concrete over you to CYA! Of course, if these solar storms ionize the atmosphere we are all dead anyway! Best website I've found is Marshal Masters' site www.yowusa.com
Minuteman
You have now been warned!

So ... what are you doing to prepare?

:shifty:

Gillianren
2009-Oct-07, 04:48 PM
Okay, leaving aside my agreement with "please please please paragraphs," I'd also like, well, chapter and verse. Not "it says such and such in such and such a book." Where in that book? Which edition? In the case of the Bible (okay, yes, I do know that verse, but it's still proper scholarship), which translation? Actually, in the case of anything which has been translated, which translation?

CHOSENONE
2010-Feb-16, 06:31 AM
Hi all,

I've been following this 'theory' for a while now. I believe the best way to begin is simply to adduce whether the hypotheses are 'possible' is the best scientific starting point. I am not really interested at all whether Planet X exists or even if it is 'Nibiru'. I am by no means an astronomer or make such claims. Also I have nothing to do with the church of scientology and I have no idea if Sitchin was a 'prophet'.

Based on my research (including that of Mashall Masters) I believe the hypotheses are sound, in that, planet x or 'a planet x' existence is possible. I believe others also may agree http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126932.200-is-there-a-planet-x.html

I also believe simply because we witness a 'mass hysteria' on the internet this does no necessarily preclude the basic hypotheses at all. In fact, the existence of hysteria itself, might support the contention by some of an actual 'conspiracy'. Even if planet x does exist - one has to ask how likely the rest of the hypotheses would be. How likely is it that it will come near earth... how likely still is it that it will affect the earth... there's a lot variables...

HenrikOlsen
2010-Feb-16, 09:32 AM
In fact, the existence of hysteria itself, might support the contention by some of an actual 'conspiracy'.
The existence of the hysteria supports the hypothesis that there are many people who tends towards an emotional rather than rational response to things they don't understand.
Nothing more.

Otherwise you might as well start eating manure, after all, 10 trillion flies can't all be wrong, right?

Van Rijn
2010-Feb-16, 10:40 AM
Based on my research (including that of Mashall Masters) I believe the hypotheses are sound, in that, planet x or 'a planet x' existence is possible. I believe others also may agree http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126932.200-is-there-a-planet-x.html

I also believe simply because we witness a 'mass hysteria' on the internet this does no necessarily preclude the basic hypotheses at all.


You're conflating two different versions of "Planet X." One is about a realistic possibility of a distant moderately sized world. The other is a popular but unrealistic idea about a brown dwarf coming into the inner solar system in the next few years.

The term "Planet X" has been used as a placeholder name for possible new planets. There's a children's book titled "Clyde Tombaugh and the Search for Planet X (http://books.google.com/books?id=HZGIujKUzD4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Clyde+Tombaugh+and+the+Search+for+Planet+X&source=bl&ots=xbUIqL2lLs&sig=A3Hi2GEhHsNaDzP_EHj7WM6hmcQ&hl=en&ei=fnV6S4CHL4KQsgOV76m8Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=&f=false)" - which was later called Pluto.

The idea mentioned in the article linked in your post is that there might be a Mars or Earth sized world in the outer solar system. That's a real possibility, and if you do a search, you'll find there have been discussions on this board about the possibility of finding other significant worlds in the outer solar system.

Then there is that other idea of a brown dwarf zooming through the solar system. A brown dwarf would have a minimum of about 13 times Jupiter's mass. Jupiter masses about 318 times Earth's mass. So, a brown dwarf would mass over 4,000 times Earth's mass.

So, on one hand, you have an article about the possibility of a distant planet as big as Earth (not necessarily as massive, though we won't worry about that). On the other hand, there's the idea of a world massing well over 4,000 times Earth essentially next door, where it should be a naked eye object.

Hungry4info
2010-Feb-28, 10:06 AM
Very quick question, and not an attempt to hijack, but
Was it this year or last year that Nibiru is said to be visible as a brightening red star in the sky?

A.DIM
2010-Mar-01, 01:19 PM
If you check the original source for the Nibiru hypothesis, you'll find he never said it was to return in either '03 or '12. Nor has he said it is or will be visible in the near future.

Hungry4info
2010-Mar-02, 12:20 PM
Oh okay. Thanks. The way it's looking now, it's going to have to just spawn out of nowhere or something haha.