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Beaver
2003-Sep-11, 02:11 PM
There has been alot of fluf posts around so I thought mayby we could get down to some serious discussions :P

Beaver top five picks

1.Moose Head
2.Alexander Keiths IPA
3.Sleeman silver creek lager
4.Becks
5.Upper Canada lager

I prefer Canadian brew first, but my second would have to be German. I am shure all the beer drinkers are wondering what brew the B.A. drinks.

gethen
2003-Sep-11, 03:35 PM
Wow. A dream come true. I can name my top five today, but it changes.

1. Grant's Perfect Porter (US)
2. Molson Ice (or as you Canucks would say "Canadian Ice.)
3. Young's Double Chocolate Stout (UK)
4. Sleeman's Dark Lager (Canada)
5. Celebrator Doplebock (Germany)

I could go on and on and the above 5 are interchangable.
Best of all is brewing your own.

SeanF
2003-Sep-11, 03:53 PM
I'm not much of a beer drinker, but doesn't the U.S. of A. have some beer companies, too? :)

(Oh, and BTW, Belgian isn't a country, it's a waffle!)

TriangleMan
2003-Sep-11, 04:10 PM
What about Mexico? I like Corona!

Other beers I am fond of:

Alexander Keiths (Canada)
Granville Island (Canada)
Guinness (Ireland)
Rickards Red (??)

snowcelt
2003-Sep-11, 04:30 PM
TriangleMan. RIckard's Red is Canadian.

Top five beers in no particular order are:

Paderborn Pils (German)
Grasshopper wheat beer (Canadian)
Any Czech pilsner
Simba (Kenyan) --- nothing like it on a hot day
Molson Canadian

Anything else if the above not avalible.

Gmann
2003-Sep-11, 04:38 PM
BEER! =D>

Now you are talking my language.
As I sit here in St. Louis, Busch and Budwieser remain on everyones mind.
However, having spent 9 years in Germany, I had the chance to try many different brews. You have to keep in mind that there are upwards of 1600 distinct brands, many of which are only availiable at the small brewery that makes them. We refer to this as 'micro brews', Germans call this concept 'normal'. The brew of preference amoung us stationed in Ansbach was Hauff. this was produced by a small brewery in the small nearby town of Lichtenau. They opened for business in 1489. when we had to go to the Hohenfels training Area for tactical training, the local brew was Thurn und taxis out of Regensburg, they started brewing in 1066.
There were many others in between, their names escape me (been a long time). I used to go to a little Gasthaus in Vestenburg (near Ansbach) when I ran out of Hauff, the place was a little hole in the wall, but they produced a fine product. While I was in Kaiserslautern, BBK (Bayerish Brauerei Kaiserslautern) ruled the roost. they produced, among others, a brand they called 'Pirminator'. We called them 'Terminators' because this was a dark beer with alcohol content far above what was considered normal. It's been almost 9 years since I last left Germany and I have yet to find a brew which can compare to those fine brews that for now, remain a fond memory. 8)

Beaver
2003-Sep-11, 05:18 PM
I'm not much of a beer drinker, but doesn't the U.S. of A. have some beer companies, too? :)

(Oh, and BTW, Belgian isn't a country, it's a waffle!)

I was only allowed five options, if I could put down A hundred or so then the states would be on the poll 8)

Gmann
dark beer with alcohol content far above what was considered normal. It's been almost 9 years since I last left Germany and I have yet to find a brew which can compare to those fine brews that for now, remain a fond memory

Luckuly I live in Ontario, our liqour stores here carry a large variety, and there is lots a specialty bars you can find almost anything.

I said German was my second choice because I was forced to vote Canadian for patriotic reasons. :D

gethen
2003-Sep-11, 06:49 PM
I get to Ann Arbor occassionally, and when I'm there I make a point of stopping at a joint called Ashley's--60 different beers on tap and lots more bottled. I think most Americans are so stuck on mass-produced lagers that they never even taste all the wonderful varieties of beers out there, especially the ales--my favorites.
Gmann--A couple of years ago I made a Russian imperial stout for Christmas. Due to some last minute changes (realized I needed more yeast and did some substituting) I wound up with a beer whose alcohol content was approaching that of wine. Add that to the already hearty contents and I had a beer you could eat with a spoon. Oddly, I've had several requests to make it again. :o

tuffel999
2003-Sep-11, 08:09 PM
Hmmmmmmm PBR........Ok not really. But there is a great little brewery in Atlanta called Sweetwater that makes a nice line. Otherwise I like Sam Adams, Molson, and this crap one of the guys in my lab brews. It is an odd sort of taste like a pilsner only kind of thick at the same time and boy oh boy will it set your eyes blurring quick.

Beaver
2003-Sep-11, 08:12 PM
TriangleMan
Alexander Keiths (Canada)
Granville Island (Canada)
Guinness (Ireland)
Rickards Red (??)

Rickards red is a moslon product, but for years never put that on the label trying to make themselfs look like it came from a microbrewery.

Betenoire
2003-Sep-11, 08:18 PM
Cider.
American, Hornsby's.
UK, anything from the Taunton breweries.

Colt
2003-Sep-11, 11:48 PM
It appears Germany is winning easily.. Well, it's Germany. What do you expect? I even voted for it and I've never drank except for a sip from my aunt's drink and that tasted like stainless steel to me. BLEH. :D -Colt

freddo
2003-Sep-12, 12:55 AM
This Australian is upset...

I think I can understand it though - we have fantastic beer - I've drunk all sorts of imports and they don't compare! However, we only export a product some of you may know - Fosters. As far as the majority of Australians are concerned - Fosters is pig-swill. Even the export quality stuff - what you guys would know us by - doesn't stack up with the other beers.

I voted for Holland - as Dutch imports appeal to me - and my own beer is not on the list.
Don't like UK beers - they're often not refrigerated (what the?!?).
Don't like US beers - too much like making love at the beach (do NOT ask me to explain this one - it's rude)

My fav beer is called Crown Lager - jeez it's nice. More alcohol content - but wow - soo smooth and silky. We also have a good bitter beer - Victoria Bitter - if you're feeling a little more salty. =D>

snowcelt
2003-Sep-12, 01:09 AM
Hey freddo, We had Foster's make a debut in Canada after the Crocodile Dundee craze. Bought it and after the first bottle gave it to the bums that did not understand BYOB (bring your own bottle) at a couple of parties I hosted. Finding Fosters in Canada is like finding a rationalist in a I Love Lucy convention.

SpaceTrekkie
2003-Sep-12, 01:29 AM
It appears Germany is winning easily.. Well, it's Germany. What do you expect? I even voted for it and I've never drank except for a sip from my aunt's drink and that tasted like stainless steel to me. BLEH. :D -Colt

i feel exactly the same way! i haev only had a sip from my mom's and GROSS!...guess u have to be 21 to appriciate it!

BlueAnodizeAl
2003-Sep-12, 02:15 AM
I'd have to say out of the list provided I would have to go with Germany. I prefer their darker beers. The U.S., however, makes my favorite beer: Samuel Adams close second would have to be Amberbach. Most other main stream beers on this side of the pond taste like barley water like Mic and Mic lite, and Budwiser. I think I get more of a buzz from Coca Cola.

Grey
2003-Sep-12, 02:36 AM
I get to Ann Arbor occassionally, and when I'm there I make a point of stopping at a joint called Ashley's--60 different beers on tap and lots more bottled.
Ashley's is a fine place! If you're partial to such things, they also have an excellent selection of single malts, including a couple nice merchant bottled varieties. And if you like strong beer, Ashley's may still stock Thomas Hardy's Ale, an excellent barley wine that should be experienced.

freddo
2003-Sep-12, 02:40 AM
Hey freddo, We had Foster's make a debut in Canada after the Crocodile Dundee craze. Bought it and after the first bottle gave it to the bums that did not understand BYOB (bring your own bottle) at a couple of parties I hosted. Finding Fosters in Canada is like finding a rationalist in a I Love Lucy convention.

Argh! Crocodile Dundee!! Another one of those things to come from Australia and contribute to our cliched reputation.

Fosters is poor going at the best of times. That's why we export it - no Aussie is stupid enough to down it!

snowcelt
2003-Sep-12, 03:09 AM
freddo I am so happy to hear from the land down under, where the men thunder.

Aussies (and your Kiwi neighbours) are so cool that everyone I know would love to live there.

Me? I hate you all! Sunny beaches, you beat the s*** out of Canada in every summer event---however, we do beat the s*** of you in winter sports!

Aussies that everyone loves (and everyone knows it):

Nicole Kidman
Mel Gibson
The gladiator guy

Who knows about all the great Canadians?

Mary Pickford (America's sweetheart) She started United Artists with Chaplin and someone else.
MGM---The second M was Mayor---a Canadian
James Carry
Mike Myers
Pam Anderson
Mom

The Supreme Canuck
2003-Sep-12, 03:14 AM
I can't drink yet, and I don't drink, so I shouldn't vote... but there is that patriotism to deal with. Sorry guys, Canada all the way!

Beaver
2003-Sep-12, 03:40 AM
I can't drink yet, and I don't drink, so I shouldn't vote... but there is that patriotism to deal with. Sorry guys, Canada all the way!

You have too =D>

captain swoop
2003-Sep-12, 02:03 PM
gethen has it Young Double Choc Stout.

Makes Guinness seem like Water.

Also Marstons Oyster Stout.

Sam Smiths do a nice 'Extra Stout' on draught. and an 'Oatmeal Stout' and 'Taddy Porter' in bottles
Croptons 'Scoresby Stout' is a nice beer from a small brewery just up the road.

As for Bitter, well;

Sam Smiths 'Old Brewery Bitter'
John Smiths 'Magnet' (if it's the proper Cask one)
Black Sheep Brewery 'Rig Welter'
Theakstons 'Old Peculiar'
Tim Taylors 'Landlord'
Green King 'Abbot'
Hook Norton 'Old Hooky'
Camerons 'Strongarm'
Firkin Brew Pubs house beers
Freedom Brewing Companies 'American' Ale

In Bottles

Badger Brewery 'Golden Champion'
Hop Backs 'Crop Circle'
Adnams 'Southwold'
Arran 'Blonde'
Charles WELLS 'Bombardier'
Fullers 'Dog Booter 'Old Winter' and 'Refreshing Summer'
Heather Ale Company 'Frauch'
Marstons 'Owd Roger' 'Single Malt' and 'Pedigree'
Sam Smiths 'Winter Welcome' 'India Ale' and Strong Pale Ale'
Wychwood 'Circle Master' 'Red Kite' and 'Fiddlers Elbow'
Youngs 'Champion' 'Ramrod' 'Waggledance' and 'Winter Warmer'

Anything from the 'Museum of Brewing' in Burton.




I have tasted lots more but they stand out.

captain swoop
2003-Sep-12, 02:08 PM
Hey freddo, We had Foster's make a debut in Canada after the Crocodile Dundee craze. Bought it and after the first bottle gave it to the bums that did not understand BYOB (bring your own bottle) at a couple of parties I hosted. Finding Fosters in Canada is like finding a rationalist in a I Love Lucy convention.

Argh! Crocodile Dundee!! Another one of those things to come from Australia and contribute to our cliched reputation.

Fosters is poor going at the best of times. That's why we export it - no Aussie is stupid enough to down it!

I wouldn't give a XXXX for it :wink:

In the UK we tend to get all kinds of beers mass marketed from USA, Canada and Oz. They change the flavour to suit our marketing led bland beer consuming youth and it's 'brewed under license in the UK.

When it goes out of fashion they change the labels and stick another licensed name on it.

Even bottled beers like Bud, Coors and Miller are brewed under license and have the flavour toned down. The important thing for the under 30s is to get drunk as quickly as possible so they don't want flavour getting in the way.

At the moment beer sales are dropping in favour of so called 'Aclpops'

A cocktail of cheap industrial 'Vodka' and fruit flavouring sold in a small bottle for an inflated price.

captain swoop
2003-Sep-12, 02:15 PM
Don't like UK beers - they're often not refrigerated (what the?!?).



UK Beers should be served ar 'Cellar temp' If it's refrigerated you can't taste the stuff.

British Beer (Bitters, Milds, Stouts, heavies, Brown Ales, Porters, Barley Wines and Pale Ales) all have complex flavours and 'noses'. Different Hops and Malts give complex characters. Chilling it down kills the lot and you taste nothing but a feint bitter aftertaste.

learn to relish the Malty, earthy, fruity, bitter, sweet, perfumed world that is a Cask conditioned ale.

kucharek
2003-Sep-12, 02:27 PM
Looking at the current beer ranking, I understand why the following is no problem:



German Brewery Donating Beer To American Soldiers

NORFOLK, Va. -- The Germans didn't back the U.S. war in Iraq, but a German brewery is treating American sailors and soldiers to beer.

Not strange enough? Read more strange news from WFTV.com.

Munich-based Spaten, one of the world's oldest breweries, is donating 600 cases of lager to each branch of the U.S. military for personnel who fought in the war.

Navy Capt. Terry McKnight, commanding officer of the amphibious assault ship Kearsarge, said Wednesday that his sailors would have no qualms about drinking brew from a country that refused to join coalition forces in the invasion of Iraq.

"A cold beer is a cold beer," McKnight said.

Donald C. Bennett, a selectee for chief petty officer who came to a Norfolk Naval Station loading dock to claim four cases for his crew on the submarine Montpelier, agreed: "We're happy to drink it all."

However, there is one small problem that Louis Sieb, president of Spaten North America, did not consider when he came up with the idea. The average sailor is 20. Legal drinking age is 21.

"They give up everything, right? They put their lives on the line, right? And they can't drink beer? Still, a good thing, I think," Sieb said.


That age-case is really somewhat absurd...

Harald

PS: And, as someone already said, we have plenty of different breweries here in Germany. Karlsruhe has some 250,000 inhabitants.

There is one medium sized brewery in the street where I live :), that's Wolf Bräu (http://www.wolfbraeu.de/flash.htm).
Within a 10 minutes walk I reach the Brauerei Höpfner (http://www.hoepfner.de/). Finally, at the other end of the city is the Brauerei Moninger (http://www.moninger.de/), the biggest one but also the one I like least, except for their Kristallweizen.
And then we have around half a dozen micro breweries.

If you aren't an excessive drinker, you can spend one week here, drinking local beer and never repeat one, as most breweries offer half a dozen or more diffrent kinds of beer, some seasonal.

heliopause
2003-Sep-12, 02:45 PM
What about Ireland??? I'm flabbergated that the Emerald Isle was left off the poll!!!

Gmann
2003-Sep-12, 03:00 PM
Thanks a lot Kucharek, you had to mention 'Kristallwiezen' didn't you. Why do you torture me like that ! [-X

Kristall or hefe, a wiezen is a wiezen, and I haven't seen one in 9 years. Although they are different, I like them both, preferably one in each hand. :o

kucharek
2003-Sep-12, 03:07 PM
After a hot day, there is nothing better than a Kristallweizen in the Biergarten. It's very refreshing. I don't like to drink it during the cold season. Makes me shivering.
No Kristallweizen in the US? Well, some 20 years ago, it was only known in Bavaria. Now its popular since more than 10 years in Germany. Maybe one day it will get over the pond.
I'll have one for you when I've my next. :wink:

And it takes a brave man to get it from the bottle into the glass in the correct manner...

gethen
2003-Sep-12, 03:15 PM
gethen has it Young Double Choc Stout.

Makes Guinness seem like Water.

Sam Smiths do a nice 'Extra Stout' on draught. and an 'Oatmeal Stout' and 'Taddy Porter' in bottles...
Sam Smiths 'Old Brewery Bitter'...
Sam Smiths 'Winter Welcome' 'India Ale' and Strong Pale Ale'...


Add Samuel Smith's Nut Brown Ale, or any other Samuel Smith's product, and I'll go hoist a few with you anytime. :wink:

Beaver
2003-Sep-12, 03:39 PM
Here a great site with all 2301 breweries between Canada and states
http://www.beerexpedition.com/northamerica.shtml

California has 314 breweries :o

Sigma_Orionis
2003-Sep-12, 09:31 PM
Well I am not particularly patriotic, but my first choice goes to Venezuela.... Polar is my favorite beer, the second choice goes to Germany (Beck's and Warsteiner) my third choice goes to Austria (tried quite a few but don't remember the brands)

dgruss23
2003-Sep-13, 01:37 AM
I'm happy with a Killian's in my hand! 8)

Gmann
2003-Sep-13, 02:12 PM
And it takes a brave man to get it from the bottle into the glass in the correct manner...

It took me almost a year to get it right #-o

I have heard about an importer here in town who may be able to find 'rare foriegn imports', may have to look him up :D

Beaver
2003-Sep-13, 02:56 PM
And it takes a brave man to get it from the bottle into the glass in the correct manner...

It took me almost a year to get it right #-o

I have heard about an importer here in town who may be able to find 'rare foriegn imports', may have to look him up :D

Mayby would could start an exchage program for beer. How much do you think it would cost to send a bottle over night delivery.

There are many underprivileged Americans who live in a third world beer state :cry: :-({|=

Gmann
2003-Sep-13, 03:12 PM
The problem is the shipping, if you send it in the mail, it will probably get broken, and you would be violating many postal regulations (trust me, it's what I do for a living). Trying to ship it otherwise involves all kinds of customs and tax nonsense. My best bet is to track down the importer and see what he can do.

Beaver
2003-Sep-13, 03:31 PM
The problem is the shipping, if you send it in the mail, it will probably get broken, and you would be violating many postal regulations (trust me, it's what I do for a living). Trying to ship it otherwise involves all kinds of customs and tax nonsense. My best bet is to track down the importer and see what he can do.

This sound like a job for Beaver :D
http://www.bergsman.org/jeremy/beerstuff/importers.html

Gmann
2003-Sep-14, 02:33 PM
You are the MAN! =D> \:D/
However, I noticed 1 small mistake. In the address info for Amtech Importers you listed their Chicago address's zip code as 06618. It should probably be 60618. SCF 066 is either in the northeast, or possibly in Puerto Rico, I'd have to look it up to be sure. :-k

kucharek
2003-Sep-14, 02:49 PM
And don't forget that "Weizenbier" is often also called "Weissbier" oder "Weisse". All the same brewing style. Hefeweizen/-weisse is the unfiltered stuff.

captain swoop
2003-Sep-15, 12:55 PM
gethen has it Young Double Choc Stout.

Makes Guinness seem like Water.

Sam Smiths do a nice 'Extra Stout' on draught. and an 'Oatmeal Stout' and 'Taddy Porter' in bottles...
Sam Smiths 'Old Brewery Bitter'...
Sam Smiths 'Winter Welcome' 'India Ale' and Strong Pale Ale'...


Add Samuel Smith's Nut Brown Ale, or any other Samuel Smith's product, and I'll go hoist a few with you anytime. :wink:

I list my fave 'Sams' beers in another thread. My 'local' is a Sams house. Old Brewerey bitter and Museum ale on tap, all others in bottles.

captain swoop
2003-Sep-15, 01:02 PM
If you are looking for a bottled beer in London there is a specialist shop in Shoreditch that has hundreds, they even do their own bottled beers and supply a couple of local pubs on draught. They are on pitfield Street, just off Old Street at it's eaastern end near the roundabout with City Road.

gethen
2003-Sep-15, 06:28 PM
I have only one more thing to add to this discussion:

Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in beer. - Dave Barry

So there.

A.DIM
2003-Sep-15, 07:12 PM
Fun stuff, people!

I'm a Heineken drinker for many years (except for when I was a poor college student - then it was Old M Red).

But I've also got a fondness for Blackened Voodoo - a New Orleans beer.
And then there's Ol' Peculiar - an English Ale.

I've a friend who brews his own and uses MUCH sugar.... :o