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BigDon
2008-Jun-10, 02:02 PM
I'm now stunned.

mike alexander
2008-Jun-10, 02:14 PM
Is that what economists call the throat-clearing price?

Trebuchet
2008-Jun-10, 02:30 PM
That would be relatively cheap around here. Diesel is well over $5.00 and premium is running up to $4.80 or so. You can still find regular in the $4.25 range at Costco but the lines are really getting long!

Whoops! I totally misread the title, either that or the price in Redwood City went up a buck overnight! My bad.

Swift
2008-Jun-10, 02:33 PM
$5.33 a gallon for what, milk? Bourbon? Bottled water?
;)

BigDon
2008-Jun-10, 02:37 PM
Dino squeezin's! :)

Lianachan
2008-Jun-10, 02:38 PM
Once it reaches about $9, you'll be paying about what I've been paying for months now.

Torsten
2008-Jun-10, 03:23 PM
Yeah, $4.79 is so passé.

For once it's cheaper in my town than somewhere in the USA other than Alaska. I'll mark than on a calendar.

BigDon
2008-Jun-10, 03:49 PM
I don't know Lianachan,

I'm getting a group together to go raid some Australians for their gas. Picked a lonely coastal town and everything. One road through, one small harbor and no airport. All long range communications centrally located for your convience. No guns. No problem. Yay Google Earth!


Have a decker on tap to drop their satelite phones and several tuned bolluxes (as in the electonic warfare use of the term, not the UK) for ham and citizins band. Though some nit picking bean counter is insisting we will burn all the fuel stolen getting back home. We had to give him a wedgy for being a wiseguy. And sort of not getting it.

Already have my head shaved into a mohawk and bought a spiffy set of cestuses?, cesti? big spikey gloves weighted with lead. For smacking heros and "red shirts". Have a vest good enough to stop most shotgun and pistol rounds.

Though unlike my role model, knowing myself I'll probably pick a female as a girlfriend. (A man has to know himself, and that was an easy guess.) I'll pick a local wench, as a pack of mutant gasoline raiders will still probably treat them nicer than the local males, if memory holds true. And they talk cute.

Open to all. Sign up sheet below.Standard rules of raiding by independants apply.

We leave in a week. I want more bodies in on this as those Aussies can be hard as ticks when they get riled. Seen it. Land combat vets get 3 extra shares. Dyerwolf, since you were a combat Marine and an O to boot, I'll cut you in for ten extra shares if you sign up. Though I'll need you to secure the road south. Won't even require you to enter the town unless something goes way wrong.

01101001
2008-Jun-10, 04:28 PM
Baut members, worldwide, even US-wide, do you find useful this sort of thread about what is the retail price in US dollars of a gallon of gasoline/petrol charged by some particular seller in some particular US town?

Would you rather get a new thread spurred by each significant jump in the wholesale cost of gasoline in standard measures -- where we could all comment in universal terms our observations and impacts? Or, should there maybe be one thread where the inevitable wholesale jumps might be noticed over time?

I keep wondering how I'd look at a few threads that were about the particular prices in euros of a litre of essence in Orléans -- multiplied by a bunch of members around the globe.

1-decimal-how many?!

BigDon
2008-Jun-10, 04:46 PM
011,

Am I getting that bad? I'm asking honestly.

I do have organic brain damage and need to "take breaks" once in a while like other guys in my boat. I moved furniture with several who would get more and more "excitable" over a period of weeks until they have to take a break for awhile and come back a few weeks later all calm and refreshed. Been chased out of satirical threads four times in the past week when the previous record was zero. As I'm not unobservant this tells me something.

I'm not huffy or nothing but I think I'm going to ban myself for a few days until this sorts itself out.

Thank you 011. And that stomach link you came up with was cool too.

01101001
2008-Jun-10, 06:04 PM
Am I getting that bad? I'm asking honestly.

Not bad. I just like looking at the big picture -- this time that of the global increase in fuel prices. Sometimes the specific anecdotes help make it real to all. Sometimes the units get in the way of everyone's grokking the message.

Just, all, please keep in mind that BAUT is read very widely, and try to write for the whole audience.

I try to picture what is probably an untypical reader, say a curious schoolkid in Uganda using the school library's computer, or a retired Japanese salaryman, when I write, trying to connect.

mike alexander
2008-Jun-10, 07:23 PM
Well, Don, if you said you had inorganic brain damage I'd be more worried.

Swift
2008-Jun-10, 08:12 PM
Well, Don, if you said you had inorganic brain damage I'd be more worried.
:lol:
I guess I have inorganic brain damage; I have a PhD in Inorganic Chemistry. :doh:

Donnie B.
2008-Jun-10, 08:56 PM
I invoke Donnie B's Theorem after a grand total of six posts.

(I saw this thread when it had zero responses, and was actually typing in a comment that I gave it about six posts before the DBT was confirmed. I got called away to do some actual work and never posted that comment. I'm astonished that my prediction was exactly right, except if I had hit Post it would have been seven instead of six.)

Van Rijn
2008-Jun-10, 10:20 PM
I'm now stunned.

Is that premium, diesel, or what? I'm sure it isn't regular.

Premium at my favorite gas station (not the most expensive or the cheapest, but right on my way to work) is $4.60 something (didn't catch the last digits as I went by this morning). Diesel is higher. Sacramento has prices close to, but not quite as high as bay area, and if you work at it, you can find more expensive gas stations (I always wonder how the more expensive ones get business). Also, California tends to have prices on the high end of national prices because of effect of clean air rules on refining.

Lianachan
2008-Jun-10, 10:35 PM
I invoke Donnie B's Theorem after a grand total of six posts.

(I saw this thread when it had zero responses, and was actually typing in a comment that I gave it about six posts before the DBT was confirmed. I got called away to do some actual work and never posted that comment. I'm astonished that my prediction was exactly right, except if I had hit Post it would have been seven instead of six.)

I'll keep pointing it out, too. I really do find it hard to sympathise with people who are complaining at suddenly having to pay as much as less than half of what I have to pay for fuel.

Your theorem, by the way, can probably be expanded to include the "there's always somebody worse off that you" factor. It applies to virtually any complaint!

Acolyte
2008-Jun-10, 11:19 PM
I don't know Lianachan,

I'm getting a group together to go raid some Australians for their gas. Picked a lonely coastal town and everything. One road through, one small harbor and no airport. All long range communications centrally located for your convience. No guns. No problem. Yay Google Earth!

Have a decker on tap to drop their satelite phones and several tuned bolluxes (as in the electonic warfare use of the term, not the UK) for ham and citizins band. Though some nit picking bean counter is insisting we will burn all the fuel stolen getting back home. We had to give him a wedgy for being a wiseguy. And sort of not getting it.

Already have my head shaved into a mohawk and bought a spiffy set of cestuses?, cesti? big spikey gloves weighted with lead. For smacking heros and "red shirts". Have a vest good enough to stop most shotgun and pistol rounds.

Though unlike my role model, knowing myself I'll probably pick a female as a girlfriend. (A man has to know himself, and that was an easy guess.) I'll pick a local wench, as a pack of mutant gasoline raiders will still probably treat them nicer than the local males, if memory holds true. And they talk cute.

Open to all. Sign up sheet below.Standard rules of raiding by independants apply.

We leave in a week. I want more bodies in on this as those Aussies can be hard as ticks when they get riled. Seen it. Land combat vets get 3 extra shares. Dyerwolf, since you were a combat Marine and an O to boot, I'll cut you in for ten extra shares if you sign up. Though I'll need you to secure the road south. Won't even require you to enter the town unless something goes way wrong.As an Aussie I'd like, in a friendly manner, to offer a cautionary word or two...

1. Insects & arachnids - we have a few here to give pause to the bravest souls. Couple of spiders that specialise in large mammalian types, another as big as a plate that likes meat. Got a couple of flies about an inch long that bite like the deveil's pitchfork.

2. Snakes - of the top 13 most poisonous snakes on the planet, we have 12 of them. The King Cobra is about No. 8 i think. The top five a a whole order of magnitude above all others, in toxicity & amount delivered. Tiger snakes like to come hunting if you so much as walk too close. Most of them like to swim.
We have a snake that like to climb trees & hang around till someone walks near the tree. They can flatten their bodies & glide so from 100ft tree you aren't safe out to about 60ft away.

3. We have lizards that like to eat snakes...

4. Those kookaburras that you hear in jungle sound tracks in movies? The laughing jackass as we call them? They like to pick up poisonous snakes & fly up in the air & drop them. This tends not to please the snakes. Try not to be under one.

5. Kangaroos - about 4ft tall (the greys) up to about 7ft tall (the reds), claws an inch or more long, head of bone, hind legs able to rip the belly from a rhino. Get a little short tempered when anything gets between them & food. Try not to...

6. Wombats - short cute little sorts, build from molybdenum steel. If one starts running, DON'T let it hit you. You'll lose the bit it hits. Sherman tanks were designed after them but they couldn't quite get the solidity factor with mere metal.

7. Koalas - We keep them stoned on eucalyptus because they have muscles of steel to drive 2 inch claws. Australia would be uninhabitable if they ever get straight.

8. Emus - About the size of an Ostrich but meaner. Like to kick & capable of giving you new front ribs - sticking out your back

9. Cassowary's - Emus are afraid of them, think they're too stroppy.

10. You don't need to worry about sharks in the estuary waters. The crocs ate them out...

When & if you get past all of that, you'll probably reconsider the whole 'raid' idea & figure anything requiring that kind of committment should probably result in you becoming an Aussie.

That's OK, we've got a few nationalities here - 130+ at last count. We accept almost anyone. *grins* ...that survives...

Moose
2008-Jun-10, 11:58 PM
So what you're saying, Acolyte, is that the Drop Bears are the least of your problems?

Acolyte
2008-Jun-11, 10:58 AM
:lol: Never mind the drop bears - we breed all that other fauna because we have BUNYIPS!

Deadly to most humans, the only way to tackle one is to wear them down with all the other life forms...

Besides, Bundy rum isn't that popular... *grins*

But even bunyips turn & run when they see an Aussie heading in for petrol. It's not that we get upset at the price so much that we know the only reason we pay so much is because of a nasty little trick called parity pricing - we produce our own fuel but then get to pay according to what it sells for OS.

Politics - from poly (meaning - many) & tick (meaning -blood sucking insect)

Oh, and we have ticks too... & cane toads... & magpies that like to peck heads... & flies. The flies are harmless in themselves but they provide a nice method for distraction - can be quite hard to line up the sights with a fly landing on your lip. We have them trained so they keep coming back to the same spot when you try to brush them away.

jokergirl
2008-Jun-11, 11:01 AM
Baut members, worldwide, even US-wide, do you find useful this sort of thread about what is the retail price in US dollars of a gallon of gasoline/petrol charged by some particular seller in some particular US town?

Would you rather get a new thread spurred by each significant jump in the wholesale cost of gasoline in standard measures -- where we could all comment in universal terms our observations and impacts? Or, should there maybe be one thread where the inevitable wholesale jumps might be noticed over time?

I keep wondering how I'd look at a few threads that were about the particular prices in euros of a litre of essence in Orléans -- multiplied by a bunch of members around the globe.

1-decimal-how many?!

Fact: You can ask Google "5.33$/gallon in €/liter" and it will translate for you.

5.33 (US$ / US gallon) = 0.910054963 € / liter (= 8.46130341 Swedish kronor / liter)

I've seen up to almost 1.4€* here in Sweden and have been since the beginning of the year. I find Americans moaning over fuel prices ridiculous (and have you stopped driving those giant gas guzzlers yet?).

;)

*) Current according to bensinpriser.se: Stockholm 12,45(95) 11,74(98) 11,99(Diesel) 8,04(E85) 2008-06-11 [in SEK.]

Lianachan
2008-Jun-11, 11:16 AM
Fact: You can ask Google "5.33$/gallon in €/liter" and it will translate for you.

5.33 (US$ / US gallon) = 0.910054963 € / liter (= 8.46130341 Swedish kronor / liter)

I discovered that yesterday, after working it all out the old fashioned way anyway.

Google says: 5.33 (US$ / US gallon) = 0.721404365 UK£ / liter.

I think UK based people would be absolutely delighted to be paying 72p a litre for their fuel.

jokergirl
2008-Jun-11, 11:21 AM
How high are the gas prices in the UK right now? Sweden is a bit extraordinary since we have such ridiculously high taxes (E85 is untaxed, that's the only reason it's cheaper).

I'd totally take the American prices. I haven't seen prices that low since the 90es (though from what I heard from friends, US gas is badly mixed and unefficient - I wonder if that's still true).

;)

Lianachan
2008-Jun-11, 11:48 AM
How high are the gas prices in the UK right now? Sweden is a bit extraordinary since we have such ridiculously high taxes (E85 is untaxed, that's the only reason it's cheaper).
It's quite variable, and increases almost daily. Where I am, in the Highlands of Scotland, it's particularly bad.

Today, I saw 121.9p for unleaded and 137.9p for diesel. That's per litre, of course.

Google says that's $9 per US gallon for unleaded, and $10.19 for diesel. So yes - $5.33? Boo hoo.

Scotland, of course, is by far the main oil producer in the UK. We produce more oil than Kuwait.

Kaptain K
2008-Jun-11, 01:30 PM
have you stopped driving those giant gas guzzlers yet?
Not everybody here drives (or has driven) a gas guzzler. My current vehicle is a Honda Civic. Previous vehicles - Hyundai Accent, Mazda 323 and a Mazda 626.

cjl
2008-Jun-11, 05:34 PM
$5.33?

Wow - it's around $4.00 here. I know that isn't bad compared to some places (and no, I don't drive a gas guzzler - I drive a subaru outback that gets about 28mpg, and I couldn't use anything smaller), but what is really somewhat surprising is that how cheap it still is here compared to some areas.

Beagle 2's Parachute Cord
2008-Jun-11, 05:56 PM
I discovered that yesterday, after working it all out the old fashioned way anyway.

Google says: 5.33 (US$ / US gallon) = 0.721404365 UK£ / liter.

I think UK based people would be absolutely delighted to be paying 72p a litre for their fuel.

Yeah, 72p - I think that was sometime last millennium! IIRC it was briefly down in the high 80s a couple of years ago.

Jay200MPH
2008-Jun-11, 06:01 PM
I put 95 RON in the Lotus the other day at €1.49/L. That works out to $8.82 US per American gallon. 95 and 91 were the same price... Figure that out.

Diesel is running about €1.45/L. Not much different.

Worst I've ever seen was in Holland at €1.69. :eek: Seems like prices over there are consistently 20%-30% more than here.

- J

Nadme
2008-Jun-11, 06:02 PM
Google says that's $9 per US gallon for unleaded, and $10.19 for diesel. So yes - $5.33? Boo hoo.

Aw c'mon. :hand: We're not accustomed to paying these prices.

Your reaction would be the same if it'd been the equivalent of UNDER $1.50 per gallon for all of your life (38 years for me).

Who wants to spend more? Neither me nor you.

Parrothead
2008-Jun-11, 06:05 PM
Was up to $1.35 Cdn the other day, back down to $1.31/litre today. ETA: reg. unleaded

The Supreme Canuck
2008-Jun-11, 06:13 PM
Google says that's $9 per US gallon for unleaded, and $10.19 for diesel. So yes - $5.33? Boo hoo.

Here's the thing, though - North America is, on average, less dense and cooler than Europe. I can tell you for a fact that Canadians use the most fossil fuel in the world per capita. Why? It's bloody cold in the winter and we have a lot of land to drive over. I'm certain that the northern United States (not to mention Alaska) is in a similar situation. So, yes, per unit the price of petroleum products is lower in North America, but we need to use more so we don't freeze and so we can ship food in. And so, yeah, high oil prices hurt us just as much as you.

Nadme
2008-Jun-11, 06:38 PM
Here's the thing, though - North America is, on average, less dense and cooler than Europe. I can tell you for a fact that Canadians use the most fossil fuel in the world per capita. Why? It's bloody cold in the winter and we have a lot of land to drive over. I'm certain that the northern United States (not to mention Alaska) is in a similar situation.

Indeed!! :)

Unlike Scotland (a previous comment I addressed), which is the size of a postage stamp compared to the U.S., if I want to see relatives I must drive and/or fly at least 900 miles. That's my closest relative, mind you. Sister lives 1,050 miles away.

Also, many U.S. cities have lots of urban sprawl.

I live in the desert southwest; the nearest city next to mine is 45 miles away, the nearest town to the west is 60 miles.

So yeah...lots of things must be factored in here.

I drive an economy car and fortunately I have an in-home job, thank God!

Be grateful if you live in a TINY nation with your kin close by!

Manchurian Taikonaut
2008-Jun-11, 06:49 PM
I think UK based people would be absolutely delighted to be paying 72p a litre for their fuel.

Europe drive more fuel efficient cars, most UK people drive a car with good mileage. Try driving a big American Cadillac, Mercury Cougar or Chrysler Newport and see how far you get down the road before you're out of gas on those prices. There is a reason the US public are dumping the traditional American vehicle and buying fuel efficient cars

01101001
2008-Jun-11, 07:21 PM
Why? It's bloody cold in the winter and we have a lot of land to drive over.

And less high-density housing. As I've heard it, large, semi-cold US cities like New York, use less fuel per capita for heating because so many many people are packed into large buildings with low surface area per resident to let it escape. Huddle together, more, Canada!

Lianachan
2008-Jun-11, 07:59 PM
Tiny nation with my relatives close by indeed. Nonsense. 3 hour drive to my closest, the 1st on single track roads. I have to drive to get anywhere at all. No public transport options. At all. No option but oil for central heating. High oil prices hit me hard.

cosmocrazy
2008-Jun-11, 08:40 PM
I think UK based people would be absolutely delighted to be paying 72p a litre for their fuel.

Too right!!!!!!!!!!!! We are paying around £1.30 per litre on average, high cost road tax (depending on the size of the vehicle) and very high insurance premiums. I think the rest of Europe are paying high prices too. :( :(

cosmocrazy
2008-Jun-11, 08:51 PM
Indeed!! :)

Unlike Scotland (a previous comment I addressed), which is the size of a postage stamp compared to the U.S., if I want to see relatives I must drive and/or fly at least 900 miles. That's my closest relative, mind you. Sister lives 1,050 miles away.

Also, many U.S. cities have lots of urban sprawl.

I live in the desert southwest; the nearest city next to mine is 45 miles away, the nearest town to the west is 60 miles.

So yeah...lots of things must be factored in here.

I drive an economy car and fortunately I have an in-home job, thank God!

Be grateful if you live in a TINY nation with your kin close by!

Exactly why there is a greater reason for larger size countries to use more fuel efficient vehicles!!!! It makes no sense to use a "gas guzzler" to go large distances wasting valuable fossil fuels and causing greater damage to the environment!!!!

Kaptain K
2008-Jun-11, 08:57 PM
Folks! It's all relative. No matter what we pay compared to the rest of you (and I'll be the first to admit that we in the US have historically paid less than most of the world) the fact is that our prices have doubled in the last 18 months! That steep a rise is a shock, especially for what most of us consider a necessity.

cosmocrazy
2008-Jun-11, 09:03 PM
Folks! It's all relative. No matter what we pay compared to the rest of you (and I'll be the first to admit that we in the US have historically paid less than most of the world) the fact is that our prices have doubled in the last 18 months! That steep a rise is a shock, especially for what most of us consider a necessity.

Ours have nearly doubled and are set to go from 90p per litre last year to £2.30 very soon ! i think its a shock all round!!!! :( :(

Lianachan
2008-Jun-11, 09:23 PM
My original post was in response to an announcement that a commodity was now for sale somewhere for a specific, named, price. All I have done is point out that that specific price is still far short of the prices I've been paying for that same commodity for years now. I've not made any wild assumptions about what the impact of the social climate and/or geography any other country has on relative consumption, and don't care much for such assumptions about mine. It's irrelevant to what I was saying, as I was commenting only on the price for a specific volume regardless of how long it lasts.

Had the opening post said "I'm now having to spend <amount> per month on fuel!" or something, then some sympathy may have been expressed if appropriate!

My post #34 was squeezed off quickly, and since I posted from my Sony PSP I was very limited in how much I could say - so I ended up saying nothing I'd intended to.

:)

Nadme
2008-Jun-11, 10:40 PM
Exactly why there is a greater reason for larger size countries to use more fuel efficient vehicles!!!! It makes no sense to use a "gas guzzler" to go large distances wasting valuable fossil fuels and causing greater damage to the environment!!!!

I completely agree with you! :)

Huge wasteful vehicles were especially a problem from 2001 - 2005.

Unfortunately it is still not rare (enough) to see pickup trucks parked at a restaurant...and mostly 1 person per truck. :(

And too often I've heard the dumb excuse of "If I get in a wreck I won't be hurt as bad, or die" (as opposed to being in a smaller car). As if anyone is going to live forever anyway. :rolleyes:

chrissy
2008-Jun-11, 11:44 PM
Here it is £1.17 per litre, every thing is so expensive even our gas and electric is through the roof, my grocery shopping has gone up almost 100% too in the last 2 years.

Lianachan
2008-Jun-12, 12:04 AM
Too right!!!!!!!!!!!! We are paying around £1.30 per litre on average, high cost road tax (depending on the size of the vehicle) and very high insurance premiums. I think the rest of Europe are paying high prices too. :( :(

People have called me many things over the years, but I think Launching is a new one!

Van Rijn
2008-Jun-12, 12:11 AM
$5.33?

Wow - it's around $4.00 here. I know that isn't bad compared to some places (and no, I don't drive a gas guzzler - I drive a subaru outback that gets about 28mpg, and I couldn't use anything smaller), but what is really somewhat surprising is that how cheap it still is here compared to some areas.

My guess is that he's talking about diesel, while you're talking about regular unleaded gasoline. I'm in Sacramento, which can be a little cheaper than where he's talking about, but usually not all that much. and I'm paying $4.64 right now for premium. However, diesel is over $5.00.

Ronald Brak
2008-Jun-12, 01:00 AM
I'm getting a group together to go raid some Australians for their gas. Picked a lonely coastal town and everything. One road through, one small harbor and no airport. All long range communications centrally located for your convience. No guns. No problem. Yay Google Earth!

We had to get rid of guns because two many people were getting hurt because guns were giving them a false sense of confidence. It's not as if you can stop a dropbear with bullets. Instead we have mastered Steve Irwin-fu. Yes, our stingray defence is a little weak, but we're working on it.

And small Australian towns do tend to have one or two or more guns. We do have to cull kangaroos and other demonic beasts now and then, and by law it has to be one shot one kill, so accuracy tends to be good.

Of course it's all moot as you'd never get past our IYPB defence system. That is Invite Yanks to Pub for Beer.

Anyway, if you tell people your American they might take pity on you and give you some petrol. It's not as if we need it. I just buy a tank a week to soak in it and kill the ticks. My car is powered by a plate spider on a treadmill chasing after a piece of steak on a string.

jokergirl
2008-Jun-12, 05:21 AM
Indeed!! :)

Unlike Scotland (a previous comment I addressed), which is the size of a postage stamp compared to the U.S., if I want to see relatives I must drive and/or fly at least 900 miles. That's my closest relative, mind you. Sister lives 1,050 miles away.

Also, many U.S. cities have lots of urban sprawl.

I live in the desert southwest; the nearest city next to mine is 45 miles away, the nearest town to the west is 60 miles.

So yeah...lots of things must be factored in here.

I drive an economy car and fortunately I have an in-home job, thank God!

Be grateful if you live in a TINY nation with your kin close by!


Sweden is a pretty big nation and my kin is rather further away, in a different nation altogether (almost 2000 km). My BF's closest relative lives 259 km away.
I commute to work by public transport and take the train whenever possible but when the choice is between 3-4 hours of train and 3 changes or 2,5 hours of car ride I take the car.

Do you have numbers on NA being cooler than Europe?
I know you have a very continental climate but it always amazes me how so much of the US is actually south of Europe. Isn't most of the south in the desert belt?


But that wasn't my point really.

cosmocrazy
2008-Jun-12, 05:24 PM
People have called me many things over the years, but I think Launching is a new one!

Yeah sos about that, i think my spell check must have picked up your name and i must have changed it by accident. :lol:

The Supreme Canuck
2008-Jun-12, 05:31 PM
And less high-density housing. As I've heard it, large, semi-cold US cities like New York, use less fuel per capita for heating because so many many people are packed into large buildings with low surface area per resident to let it escape. Huddle together, more, Canada!

That's true. It's also really hard to do. We already have 95% of the population within 2% of our landmass. Trying to move everyone into a crowded, expensive downtown when there's ample cheap land available is... difficult.

Nadme
2008-Jun-12, 06:44 PM
I know you have a very continental climate but it always amazes me how so much of the US is actually south of Europe. Isn't most of the south in the desert belt?

No. :)

The desertous regions of the US are western Texas (west of Springerville and Austin, roughly)...New Mexico, Utah, Nevada, Arizona, southeastern California.

The "Dixie States" are green and very humid.

The Supreme Canuck
2008-Jun-12, 06:56 PM
Do you have numbers on NA being cooler than Europe?
I know you have a very continental climate but it always amazes me how so much of the US is actually south of Europe. Isn't most of the south in the desert belt?

It has to do with the Gulf Stream. Warm water just shoots up from the Gulf of Mexico to, well, right about the British Isles. In fact, London, UK is further North than St. John's, Newfoundland. And Newfoundland gets cold in the winter. Heck, Stockholm, Sweden and Whitehorse, Yukon are at the same latitude. Yes, Stockholm gets cold, but have you seen Whitehorse? If Europe didn't have the Gulf Stream, though, it would probably be about as cold as other locations on a similar latitude.

Lianachan
2008-Jun-12, 09:32 PM
It has to do with the Gulf Stream. Warm water just shoots up from the Gulf of Mexico to, well, right about the British Isles. In fact, London, UK is further North than St. John's, Newfoundland. And Newfoundland gets cold in the winter. Heck, Stockholm, Sweden and Whitehorse, Yukon are at the same latitude. Yes, Stockholm gets cold, but have you seen Whitehorse? If Europe didn't have the Gulf Stream, though, it would probably be about as cold as other locations on a similar latitude.

Yeah, I've often mentioned that around these boards. Scotland has nice sandy beaches in warm seas at the same lattitudes as Canada has polar bears, and that's with the compliments of the Gulf Stream.

jokergirl
2008-Jun-13, 08:26 AM
Yeah, when I visited Scotland I was amazed at how warm it was. And the mediterranean vegetation in some places! (planted, but still.)
Beautiful place altogether.

;)

mahesh
2008-Jun-13, 01:08 PM
..........
The desertous regions of the US are western Texas .............

emphasis mine
nice word, Nadme.......haven't come across it before, notme!
if you made it up, that's really cute!

01101001
2009-Sep-19, 04:33 AM
Thread revival for not much reason. I saw this when I was looking for BigDon's brain (and the thread he lost possibly about scans and denial).

And, it made me long for the time, so shortly ago, when our major economic gripe was merely the high cost of fossil fuel.

Well, it's a lot cheaper now!

Yeah!

kleindoofy
2009-Sep-19, 08:31 PM
If you miss the high gas prices, don't worry, they'll be back soon enough.

Btw, today's average price for a liter of premium in Germany was EUR 1.29/l. By today's exchange rate (1 Euro = 1.47 US$), that's US$ 1,896/l. Seeing that there are 3.785 liters in a US gallon, that makes US$ 7,18/gallon.

US$ 5.33/gallon?

Your nightmare, my dream.

Ara Pacis
2009-Sep-19, 08:41 PM
From reading postings in the "Black Monday" thread, if the US Dollar crashes, it will force import prices up, including petroleum and gas.

BigDon
2009-Sep-21, 03:35 AM
It's been my obvervation that for your economy to prosper you have to keep gasoline away from the five dollar mark a gallon mark, relative to your local currency and unit of measure.

Donnie B.
2009-Sep-21, 04:00 PM
BD, there does seem to be a correlation. But which is cause and which is effect? Right now the economy is down and so are gas prices. The latter could well be the result of the former, rather than the earlier high prices being the cause of the downturn.

Or, both.