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Nadme
2008-Jun-14, 11:18 AM
My spouse was watching this lemon of a show last evening. Overweight middle-aged truckers swaggering around on the tundra, all pretending to be Alpha Males. They "prove" their uber-masculinity by how many times they can be bleeped!! and posturing/challenging "who's gonna make it across the ice first." Yeah, my knuckles were white from gripping the edge of my chair in spellbound fascination! Not.

Their wives look tired (likely depressed for reasons I won't go into) and have '80s hairstyles which were outdated in 1988. We get to see they/husbands kissing goodbye. Awwwww....(Harlequin Romance novel cover...not).

Back in the trucks, the guys are Being Baaaaad again. They're posturing, cursing (to get in as many bleeeeep!s per second as possible; they're SO funny. I'm somewhat surprised we weren't treated to belches and farts too, because these guys are SUCH aces and SO funny). Reminding the viewers that they're driving on oceanic ice.

Hurry up global warming! That'll cancel this show if nothing will. I've seen my first (half of it) and last episode...

jt-3d
2008-Jun-14, 04:30 PM
Yeah, well not everybody can be stock brokers and advertising executives.

Kaptain K
2008-Jun-14, 06:16 PM
News flash from the real world!
Truckers really do talk like that! In fact, I'd bet that when they remember that they're "on the air" they clean it up a little bit!

PetersCreek
2008-Jun-14, 08:43 PM
This is just a suggestion, mind you. Grab the wheel, step on the gas, and show 'em how it's done. Maybe then, we'll have a show that meets your standards.

I've worked with all kinds of people who do difficult and sometimes dangerous things for a living...soldiers, doctors, fighter pilots, and now, air traffic controllers. Cockiness, alpha behavior, bravado...it often comes with the personality types that undertake and excel at jobs like these. To be the best, you have to believe you're the best. I guess in some folks, self-confidence at that level is manifested in annoying ways. So be it. I'm glad they do what they do.

My Dad had an unlikely friend during my teen years, who was one of my influences. He was a hard workin', hard swearin', hard drinkin' ex-Marine and good old boy...and he was a trucker. He hauled chlorine gas for a living. If he had an accident that breeched the tank, he was a dead man. He knew it. His wife knew it. His kids knew it. That kind of stress wears on folks after a while. Could be why a heart attack killed him before he was 40. In spite of the swearing and the swagger, he was honest to a fault, generous with what little he had, and fiercely loyal to his friends. But you probably wouldn't get that side of him from an episode of reality television.

drainbread
2008-Jun-14, 08:50 PM
I drove over the road for a little while, not long in fact, only racked up around 100k miles.

I would never do what those guys do, it's truly insane.

Veeger
2008-Jun-14, 09:35 PM
My Dad had an unlikely friend during my teen years, who was one of my influences. He was a hard workin', hard swearin', hard drinkin' ex-Marine and good old boy...and he was a trucker. He hauled chlorine gas for a living. If he had an accident that breeched the tank, he was a dead man. He knew it. His wife knew it. His kids knew it. That kind of stress wears on folks after a while. Could be why a heart attack killed him before he was 40. In spite of the swearing and the swagger, he was honest to a fault, generous with what little he had, and fiercely loyal to his friends. But you probably wouldn't get that side of him from an episode of reality television.

(Emphasis, mine)

I've known and worked with men like this and was proud to have them on my team. My condolescences for your dad.

Kebsis
2008-Jun-15, 12:24 AM
I found the show a little dull myself. I don't know why you have such a problem with the truckers themselves though, they do a dangerous and important job.

Joe Boy
2008-Jun-15, 12:45 AM
My spouse was watching this lemon of a show last evening. Overweight middle-aged truckers swaggering around on the tundra, all pretending to be Alpha Males. They "prove" their uber-masculinity by how many times they can be bleeped!! and posturing/challenging "who's gonna make it across the ice first." Yeah, my knuckles were white from gripping the edge of my chair in spellbound fascination! Not.

Their wives look tired (likely depressed for reasons I won't go into) and have '80s hairstyles which were outdated in 1988. We get to see they/husbands kissing goodbye. Awwwww....(Harlequin Romance novel cover...not).

Back in the trucks, the guys are Being Baaaaad again. They're posturing, cursing (to get in as many bleeeeep!s per second as possible; they're SO funny. I'm somewhat surprised we weren't treated to belches and farts too, because these guys are SUCH aces and SO funny). Reminding the viewers that they're driving on oceanic ice.

Hurry up global warming! That'll cancel this show if nothing will. I've seen my first (half of it) and last episode...

They likely are "Alpha Males". And in a different but real world scenero where it were every man for himself, they would likely be the ones putting their lives on the line to protect your family from the predatious, as you hide under your blanket and try desparately to call 911 on your blueberry . . . ta ta

novaderrik
2008-Jun-15, 11:59 PM
those are pretty much the kind of people i grew up around- real people that have no reason to pretend to be anything that they aren't- and i'll agree that they probably "cleaned up" their language and actions for the cameras.
at least when you meet people like that, you know where you stand. if they don't like you or believe what you are saying, they let you know. it's those too-polite PC city slickers that i can't trust. you never know what they are really thinking.

Graybeard6
2008-Jun-16, 04:49 AM
I like "Ice Road Truckers", partly because I see myself at age 25. I learned to drive a farm truck at 18, a semi at 20, and then got drafted at 22. I was a truck driver in basic training (The US Army had no dedicated truck drivers at Ft. Dix, so the draftees got volunteered.) It actually was a pretty good deal, we got out of a lot of crappy details "I'm sorry I missed weapons cleaning, Sgt, I had to wash my truck." During infantry training, because I had a military driver's liscense, I occasionally got to drive a jeep.
Jump ahead two years; I was a nuclear weapons electronics specialist in Greenland. The team had a captain, a lieutenant, 2 master sergeants and 7 lower ranks; 5 technicians, a semi driver and a fork-lift operator. Each of us (except the fork lift operator) had our own vehicle. BTW: we didn't have a fork-lift. We also didn't have that much work to do, typically three 14 hour days of constant work, followed by 3 weeks of nothing to do. I decided that i'd get qualified on as many military vehicles as possible. The most fun were the big Air Farce rotary snowplows. When we had bad storms, the base would ask for army volunteers. We also had an ice road across North Star Bay. (Check it out on Google Earth, Thule Air Base to Dundas.)
If I'd have left the army in 1960, and the Ice Road had been in existence, I'd have been up there.
PS: a few years later, in Germany, I was checking my records and couldn't find my driver's qualification record. The motor pool chief said "I took it out and destroyed it, Staff Sergeants and up aren't allowed to drive." Thus vanished a record i would like my grandchildren to have someday.

samkent
2008-Jun-16, 02:00 PM
I’m afraid Nadme is missing the point of these type of shows. These shows are informing us of what has to be done to make our lives as easy as possible. The majority of the time most of us would never consider doing the work that lease people do.
Dirty Jobs
Deadliest Catch
Ice road Truckers
Axe Men
Would you leave your spouse and kids for two months in a stretch for any reason?
On the show Alex has eleven children and several nieces and nephews to care for. If you seen the large family prayer and hug as he left for the north you saw the love in his house. He is sacrificing his family life for his family. I’d shake his hand.
Could you work hauling crab pots for three days straight in sub zero weather with the ocean splashing in your face?

Many types of jobs need alpha males just to get the work done. Alpha males push each other to keep going. They don’t tolerate whining about the small things in life.

“Quit your whining and keep fishing.”.
“You don’t see the other guys quitting. Are you a wussy”.
“Never mind the bullets, get over that ridge.”
“Never mind the height. If you fall you will never feel it.”

If you watched some of the newer shows about the personal experiences of our WW2 vets, you would understand it took those type of men to bolster the other men in their units. That is what has allowed you to sit in you’re a/c house and whine about the tv shows.

Look up the history of Taffy3. Where Commander Evans, without orders, attacks a heavy cruiser sinking it. Knowing full well his severely damaged small destroyer will be sunk he reengages the enemy a second time. An even smaller escort destroyer intentionally takes on a cruiser at close range for over an hour before being sunk. Both of these ships were filled with these alpha males you have contempt for.

Before you turn your nose up at the next alpha male, ask yourself if you would or even could fill his shoes.

Delvo
2008-Jun-16, 02:15 PM
Y'all seem to be using the phrase "alpha male" to mean something other than what it means...

farmerjumperdon
2008-Jun-16, 02:22 PM
Could be why a heart attack killed him before he was 40. In spite of the swearing and the swagger, he was honest to a fault, generous with what little he had, and fiercely loyal to his friends. But you probably wouldn't get that side of him from an episode of reality television.

The hard drinking might have had a little to do with that too; as well as any other adjectives preceeded by hard that we might not be aware of.

I'll agree that these reality shows certainly don't give an accurate or full depiction of anybody's profession, or the personality of the "cast" and they are most likely prodded if not outright scripted to behave in certain ways. These shows seem to dwell to the nth degree on dangers that are terribly overplayed, if not in their consequences, then certainly in their frequency.

AT ANY MOMENT WE COULD GO THRU THE ICE!

Several incredibly boring hours later: AT ANY MOMENT WE COULD FALL THRU THE ICE!

Several incredibly boring trips later: AT ANY MOMENT WE COULD FALL THRU THE ICE!

Kaptain K
2008-Jun-16, 02:47 PM
Yeah, it's like a "highlight reel" of a whole season of NASCAR!

PetersCreek
2008-Jun-16, 04:37 PM
The hard drinking might have had a little to do with that too; as well as any other adjectives preceeded by hard that we might not be aware of.

Of couse it could have...and very probably did as far as I know. Could have been cigarettes or even some other totally unrelated defect, too. My phrase "Could be why..." was just an imprecise way of suggesting that chronic stress may have been a contributing factor...not that it was the sole cause.

Joe Boy
2008-Jun-16, 11:27 PM
The hard drinking might have had a little to do with that too; as well as any other adjectives preceeded by hard that we might not be aware of.

I'll agree that these reality shows certainly don't give an accurate or full depiction of anybody's profession, or the personality of the "cast" and they are most likely prodded if not outright scripted to behave in certain ways. These shows seem to dwell to the nth degree on dangers that are terribly overplayed, if not in their consequences, then certainly in their frequency.

AT ANY MOMENT WE COULD GO THRU THE ICE!

Several incredibly boring hours later: AT ANY MOMENT WE COULD FALL THRU THE ICE!

Several incredibly boring trips later: AT ANY MOMENT WE COULD FALL THRU THE ICE!


I agree that the network uses the element of danger as well as other tricks to draw in the audience. But I for one am glad no one went through the ice while I was watching. I did that once on one of my wolf tracking expeditions in northern Minnesota. It is nothing like I ever imagined it to be. Stark raving terror and instant unbelievable pain from the cold water. I was only in seven feet of water and barely managed to get out. I then had to walk two miles to the nearest road in about 5 degree Fer. weather. Never drove on the ice again with a snowmobile or car. Ten years prior to that my accountant and a well known beer distributor from the Twin Cities here in Minnesota went through the ice and perished in Voyagers Park on snowmobiles. They were coming back from a rented fish house in December 88 and went through just five feet from where their tracks went out. Our veterinarian from N. St. Paul had the same fate cross country skiing on Sunfish Lake in Lake Elmo, MN. I just had to learn the hard way I guess. Stupid, arrogant and overconfident. I learned my lesson well--when the guy with the hurt stick whacks you, stay away from the guy with the hurt stick . . .

Kaptain K
2008-Jun-16, 11:41 PM
My step family live in Stillwater, Mn. It's amazing. Ice fishers pack the St. Croix river all winter. Snowmobiles, cars, trucks, school buses, you name it, it's out there...until the first one (usually a bus) goes through. The next day, they're all gone!

Joe Boy
2008-Jun-17, 12:10 AM
My step family live in Stillwater, Mn. It's amazing. Ice fishers pack the St. Croix river all winter. Snowmobiles, cars, trucks, school buses, you name it, it's out there...until the first one (usually a bus) goes through. The next day, they're all gone!

My wife is from Stillwater and I grew up just several miles to the west. I just shake my head when I see people on that river. Nothing more unpredictable than river ice. My little adventure/mishap was on the Boy River up north. I know several people from my younger days that went through on the St. Croix. They all survived. I know some guys up north that actually tie a milk carton with a long rope to their sleds. When they break through they know where to get their machines out when the carton comes to the surface. They run alot on the Mississippi between towns. No thanks, I'll take my chances with the wolves in the forest and maybe Bigfoot!! (sorry, forgot this wasn't a conspiracy thread)

Doodler
2008-Jun-17, 02:18 AM
My spouse was watching this lemon of a show last evening. Overweight middle-aged truckers swaggering around on the tundra, all pretending to be Alpha Males. They "prove" their uber-masculinity by how many times they can be bleeped!! and posturing/challenging "who's gonna make it across the ice first." Yeah, my knuckles were white from gripping the edge of my chair in spellbound fascination! Not.This represents one of the worst cases of estrogen poisoning I've seen in a long time...


Their wives look tired (likely depressed for reasons I won't go into) and have '80s hairstyles which were outdated in 1988. We get to see they/husbands kissing goodbye. Awwwww....(Harlequin Romance novel cover...not).

I'm sorry the real world has utterly failed to reflected the fluffy Cosmopolitan idealized load of foofy crap that's become of modern feminism in the lower 48, aping a bunch of overly dainty, coke driven camera hounds with an expressway between their legs dressing the way European men with no sexual attraction to women tell them to...

Call me crazy, but I can't find too many faults in their taste in women.


Back in the trucks, the guys are Being Baaaaad again. They're posturing, cursing (to get in as many bleeeeep!s per second as possible; they're SO funny. I'm somewhat surprised we weren't treated to belches and farts too, because these guys are SUCH aces and SO funny). Reminding the viewers that they're driving on oceanic ice.

Welcome to Male Bonding 101. We've discovered the world is a lot more fun when your sphincter rests in a state somewhere south of diamond fusing hypertension.


Hurry up global warming! That'll cancel this show if nothing will. I've seen my first (half of it) and last episode...

You do realize that by doing this, you're removing a state of nature which keeps them isolated from your sheltered little world for several months a year? If they have to go elsewhere for high risk kicks in warmer climates, you increase the likelihood of crossing paths with them.

Think about it.

Maksutov
2008-Jun-17, 08:32 AM
Yeah, it's like a "highlight reel" of a whole season of NASCAR!Amen, brother!

samkent
2008-Jun-17, 12:06 PM
Tastefully put, with just a touch of vinegar.

closetgeek
2008-Jun-17, 01:45 PM
Awe, Nadme, give them a break. I, personally hate reality tv, or most of it, but you are getting a glimpse of people that are not constantly plugged into what's tops for fashion. They are real people, who could give a whoot what you think of their fashion. I know a lot of women similar to them and find them more real and tolerable to be around then most.
I watched that show a few times and also that show Deadliest Catch and it makes me laugh, not at them, though. I see struggles, whether it be fiction or reality and contemplate whether or not I could do it. I have already decided that I can survive the Cruel Tutelage of Pai Mei, but there is no way I could survive what those guys do on Ice and Deadliest.

Larry Jacks
2008-Jun-17, 01:49 PM
Shows like "Ice Road Truckers" and "Deadliest Catch" show men doing dangerous jobs that most of us would not and could not do. These men aren't in any way "metrosexuals" and I guess that makes some people uncomfortable.