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Sticks
2008-Jul-07, 05:02 AM
A thread on a forum I post on has been talking about the end of the world in 2012 (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=88321&page=1#pid1306665) and has some video clips posted on it. (I have not had the time to view them)

I did try searching on 2012 here to point my fellow TiBBers to sanity, but got an overload of other threads here.

:doh:

Anyone care to go over to that thread, register and rebut or reassure? Some of them over there are sceptical, but there are few there who are science literate.

Apparently there is an end of the world website here (http://www.december212012.com):rolleyes:

Ronald Brak
2008-Jul-07, 06:03 AM
If the world ends in 2012 it will only because of a delayed destruction from 2000 or 1999 or 1989 or the year 1000 or one of them other world endings anyway.

Acolyte
2008-Jul-07, 08:35 AM
You could try pointing out that, even if the various predictions are accurate as to timing (& interestingly there are a number of them) AFAIK the only one that predicts the end of the World is the biblical one. The others all talk about the end of an Age or Sun.

We have seen a number of 'End of Ages' as time goes by; around the time of Christ we went from Pisces to Ares.

That way you aren't simply contradicting them but you are alleviating the doom being foretold.

Sticks
2008-Jul-07, 10:30 AM
I seem to remember a certain religious group, which due to forum rules must be unnamed predicting the end of the world in 1918, 1921 1975 etc.

I assumed this 2012 thing was due to one of those asteroids that was going to come pretty close, or some ancient calendar doing a date roll over.


Its the end of the world as we know it
Its the end of the world as we know it
Its the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

REM

Jim
2008-Jul-07, 01:00 PM
We have seen a number of 'End of Ages' as time goes by; around the time of Christ we went from Pisces to Ares.

Aquarius.

A-quar-i-usssss!

Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
No more falsehoods or derisions
Golden living dreams of ...

Oops, sorry, got carried away.

01101001
2008-Jul-07, 01:19 PM
I did try searching on 2012 here to point my fellow TiBBers to sanity, but got an overload of other threads here.

So you started another one.


I assumed this 2012 thing was due to one of those asteroids that was going to come pretty close, or some ancient calendar doing a date roll over.

No significant asteroid approaches are expected in 2012.

Some ancient calendar is rolling over: Mayan.

Near the uneventful end of 2012, the doomsayers will shift their predictions of cataclysm to some other date or dates. Same as it ever was.

There are enough mentions of 2012 now in this topic, to attract people searching for information about 2012. To aid them, here's my collection of some of what's been previously discussed about 2012 here in BAUT Forum, and news from related sites:


2003 no, 2012 si (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=03179)
2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=03181)
End of Mayan Calendar (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=04509)
Pole shift / Planetary alignment 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=07145)
2012 alignment question (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=09421)
about the Mayan 2012 item (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=10214)
2012 Debunking? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=10724)
Possible asteroid impact in 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=10924)
2012 asteroid? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=13592)
We don't have to worry about 2012! (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=16490)
More on 2012 from India Daily (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=16709)
2012 Completion of conspiracy? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=17667)
Here's what's REALLY going to happen in 2012... (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=18322)
crop circles, Planet X and 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=18375)
Planet X, crop circles and 2012 cataclysma (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=18378)
According to the Mayans, what will happen on 23rd Dec. 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=18757)
More 2012 Nonsense (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=19201)
NEO 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=20191)
Dangerous NEO in 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=20539)
Christmas 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=23941)
2012 mayan calender end of world (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=30892)
Regarding the supposed polar shift/new ice age in 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=31452)
New 2012 threat? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=32413)
2012 look at this thing on the sun (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=35462)
Russian Expert Predicts Global Cooling from 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=38978)
Pole shift idea origins (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=43775)
Dec 20 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=46117)
2012 Stuff (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=51021)
Horizon Project-New End of World Scare? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53788)
Date: December 21st 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53831)
Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn't that already happen? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53904)
2012: What do you think well happen (if anything) (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53924)
So what will we see in 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=54404)
Galactic Tsunami? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=54418)
Plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=55312)
Earth's Magnetic Field & 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=55386)
2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=56513)
Any truth to this? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=58039)
How can the sun be aligned with Galactic centre? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=63109)
the whole 2012 poles flip nonsense (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=63449)
Planet X Official Advertisement (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=65831)
What year are we in (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=66055)
Quick question about the sun (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=66221)
Galactic Alignment (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=66414)
Books of 2012! - (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=67663)
2007 = 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=67908)
Return of Planet X By Rand (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=67948)
Don Alejandro - Mayan Elder. (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=67954)
Toutatis 4179: 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=68472)
Galactic Alignment in 2012 ? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=68661)
Solar Storms (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=68907)
A real prediction! (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=69448)
NIBURU - Brown Dwarf, The DESTROYER (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=70163)
2012 Galactic Alignment (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=70260)
Not 2012 again! But I cant help it~ (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=70438)
New evidence for 2012 TEOTWAWKI!!! (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=70795)
this may be a silly question but... (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=71061)
Just to know if this is true (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=71216)
Just Wondering... (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=71633)
Planet X/Nibiru, is it real? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=72398)
Youv heard this a million times. (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=72777)
Nibaru or Planet X (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=73180)
Mayan calendar (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=73414)
2012 Article? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=73492)
can i say something please on planet x (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=73579)
Nibiru (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=73654)
The growing earth.... :P (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=74164)
Our Solar System's Eclipse of the Galactic Plane on Dec 21, 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=74615)
Something scaring the hell out of me.... (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=74881)
Its Only the end of the World AGAIN!!! (Woo Woo Alert) (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=76346)
Universe Today: No Doomsday in 2012 (http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/19/no-doomsday-in-2012/)
Bad Astronomy Blog: 2012, the year nothing will happen (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/19/2012-the-year-nothing-will-happen/)
Universe Today: 2012: No Planet X (http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/25/2012-no-planet-x/)
Universe Today: 2012: Planet X is not Nibiru (http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/19/2012-planet-x-is-not-nibiru/)
Universe Today: 2012: No Killer Solar Flare (http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/21/2012-no-killer-solar-flare/)

Swift
2008-Jul-07, 01:25 PM
A thread on a forum I post on has been talking about the end of the world in 2012 (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=88321&page=1#pid1306665) and has some video clips posted on it. (I have not had the time to view them)

Wow! They have video from 2012! That's very cool. Can I borrow the time machine when they are done with it? :D

mike alexander
2008-Jul-07, 03:02 PM
I'm... amazed... at the link. Makes me want to get in a bunker. For different reasons.


But the other link did offer a five-year personal planner to use up to 2012. What's the last page? Don't forget to die, 10AM?

Swift
2008-Jul-07, 03:12 PM
I'm... amazed... at the link. Makes me want to get in a bunker.
http://tmq2.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/archie-bunker.jpg

dita
2008-Jul-08, 06:15 PM
that this post would be here! I knew it would! I heard all the hooplah about the planetary alignments, the mayan calendar and such. But heres a new one...or maybe an old one that you fine people can tell me. I also heard that the solar flares will be at its worst for the year 2012 and that could be one reason we would have "end of days" so to speak. Is there any truth to that? I also heard that there is some kind of "meeting of the great minds" with scientist from around the world to discuss this possiblity of how to handle these flares and what kind of impact they will have. As I heard they will be the worst we've ever seen. Thanks!!

NEOWatcher
2008-Jul-08, 06:28 PM
But heres a new one...or maybe an old one...
Old...
Just search solar flares 2012 on BAUT and you get 132 hits.


Is there any truth to that?
Just search solar flares 2012 on BAUT and the truth will be revealed.


Is there any truth to that?
Just search solar flares 2012 on BAUT and you might even get a meeting agenda.


As I heard they will be the worst we've ever seen.
We've is the operative word here. Unless we are at or nearing retirement, it will be the worst "we've" ever seen. Now, somebody watching it for more than 50 years? no.
http://www.bautforum.com/universe-today-story-comments/39278-next-solar-max-will-big-one.html


Thanks!!
You're welcome. :whistle:;)

Swift
2008-Jul-08, 06:31 PM
Short answer - no.

Slightly longer answer - This webpage from NOAA (http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SolarCycle/SC24/index.html) has tons of information about Solar Cycle 24, which just started.

June 27, 2008 During the annual Space Weather Workshop held in Boulder, CO in May, 2008, the Solar Cycle 24 Prediction Panel released an update to the prediction for the next solar cycle. In short, the update is that the panel has not yet made any changes to the prediction issued in April, 2007. The panel expects solar minimum to occur in March, 2008. The panel expects the solar cycle to reach a peak sunspot number of 140 in October, 2011 or a peak of 90 in August, 2012.
If you look through the stuff you will see the panel has not reached a consensus yet (the models are still works in progress), but they don't predict anything much different than the last cycle.

The Earth has been going through this for billions of years, and there is absolutely nothing to think that anything much different will happen in the next 4 years (or the next 4000).

dita
2008-Jul-08, 06:41 PM
See this is why I come here!! To get some facts or at least get pointed in some good directions. I dont want to be a WooWoo but the media sure doesnt help! I really hate it when the media and news papers put out such bad information to scare the masses. I need to back off tv again! LOL I heard about this book Apocalypse 2012 and read a few blurps here and there. I have to say it makes you go hhhmm if you have no real science background or knowledge. Then on some webpages I saw stuff on the mayan calendars and then you see the same crap on Good Morning America!

01101001
2008-Jul-08, 07:34 PM
I dont want to be a WooWoo but the media sure doesnt help! I really hate it when the media and news papers put out such bad information to scare the masses.

So, is this the last time you take some simple media accounts without a grain, or a ton, of salt? You're going to employ your critical thinking skills next time? You won't get fooled again?

Cool.

dita
2008-Jul-08, 08:21 PM
01101001 said "So, is this the last time you take some simple media accounts without a grain, or a ton, of salt? You're going to employ your critical thinking skills next time? You won't get fooled again?"

HAHAHAH good one. Cant make any promises but I'll try!! Besides, dont you just live for this kinda stuff? ;-)

Jim
2008-Jul-08, 09:39 PM
June 27, 2008 ... The panel expects solar minimum to occur in March, 2008.

A safe prediction.

... In short, the update is that the panel has not yet made any changes to the prediction issued in April, 2007. ...

The update is there is no update?

Tobin Dax
2008-Jul-08, 10:12 PM
... In short, the update is that the panel has not yet made any changes to the prediction issued in April, 2007. ...

The update is there is no update?
I know I've seen that statement and reply to it before on the board.

SciFi Chick
2008-Jul-09, 03:20 PM
Here's a question. I was hearing about 2012 before 2000 hit. Lots of people thought the world was going to end in 2000.

I haven't heard anything about past 2012. Are there any current predictions about the world ending after 2012, or will we start hearing about those in the next couple of years? :lol:

Swift
2008-Jul-09, 04:46 PM
Here's a question. I was hearing about 2012 before 2000 hit. Lots of people thought the world was going to end in 2000.

I haven't heard anything about past 2012. Are there any current predictions about the world ending after 2012, or will we start hearing about those in the next couple of years? :lol:
Well, there is the date when all the Unix based date systems flip out (the Unix version of Y2K), can't remember when that is.

Tobin Dax
2008-Jul-09, 05:17 PM
HAHAHAH good one. Cant make any promises but I'll try!! Besides, dont you just live for this kinda stuff? ;-)
What I live for is for you to do what 01101001 asked. You joined four years ago. If you haven't picked up on critical thinking yet, then you really need to. You won't always be able to run back to BAUT.

NosePicker
2008-Oct-01, 02:12 PM
2012, like people here say, and what I think, is not about the ending of the planet but a change.

This change could be too subtle for people to see, but very important to the sky watching Mayan people. I will defer to others, as I don't know much about the stars. The Mayan people were sophisticated and there is much we still don't understand about them. From what I understand, when there was a change of this type in the past; according to the Mayans, it was weather related.

There have been many changes in the past, overlooked by our current fast paced lifestyles. The climate is in the midst of change, dramatically enough for great tits to change their nesting habits in Britain. They are nesting two weeks earlier than they did in the past, that is the length of a bird's infancy.

I personally don't think that global warming is man made. Admittedly the Human race is not blameless. I think that climate change has more to do with space weather than anything going on Earthside. There are no SUV's on Mars. The vehicles crawling around Mars are solar. It's warming up though.

Neverfly
2008-Oct-01, 02:22 PM
2012, like people here say, and what I think, is not about the ending of the planet but a change.

This change could be too subtle for people to see, but very important to the sky watching Mayan people. I will defer to others, as I don't know much about the stars. The Mayan people were sophisticated and there is much we still don't understand about them. From what I understand, when there was a change of this type in the past; according to the Mayans, it was weather related.

There have been many changes in the past, overlooked by our current fast paced lifestyles. The climate is in the midst of change, dramatically enough for great tits to change their nesting habits in Britain. They are nesting two weeks earlier than they did in the past, that is the length of a bird's infancy.

I personally don't think that global warming is man made. Admittedly the Human race is not blameless. I think that climate change has more to do with space weather than anything going on Earthside. There are no SUV's on Mars. The vehicles crawling around Mars are solar. It's warming up though.

Yeah and the Mayans saw and predicted all this?

Great way to cover your tracks by saying the change is too subtle to see and that the current conditions are related.

Sheesh...

HenrikOlsen
2008-Oct-01, 03:01 PM
2012, like people here say, and what I think, is not about the ending of the planet but a change.
As is any other date.

Except for the one where the planet actually ends.

Gillianren
2008-Oct-01, 04:11 PM
Can a mod correct the thread title, please?

01101001
2008-Oct-01, 04:21 PM
Can a mod correct the thread title, please?

Or not, because then anyone who cites the original title (like me (http://www.bautforum.com/off-topic-babbling/76346-its-only-end-world-again-woo-woo-alert.html#post1277704)) looks like a doofus because the title has been since altered. (Not that it matters if I look like a doofus, but it could happen to other nondoofuses, too.)

Fazor
2008-Oct-01, 05:02 PM
Did someone say 'doofus'? What did you need? ... Oh sorry, thought someone was calling for me. My mistake.

:)

Swift
2008-Oct-01, 05:59 PM
2012, like people here say, and what I think, is not about the ending of the planet but a change.

This change could be too subtle for people to see, but very important to the sky watching Mayan people. I will defer to others, as I don't know much about the stars. The Mayan people were sophisticated and there is much we still don't understand about them. From what I understand, when there was a change of this type in the past; according to the Mayans, it was weather related.
The Mayans were very advanced for their time, at least as far as such things as their calander and their skills in naked-eye astronomy.

But I have seen no credible evidence that the Mayans of 500 years ago thought anything was going to particularly happen in 2012, other than their calendar was going to turn over. I have never seen any hint about anything with weather or climate.


There have been many changes in the past, overlooked by our current fast paced lifestyles. The climate is in the midst of change, dramatically enough for great tits to change their nesting habits in Britain. They are nesting two weeks earlier than they did in the past, that is the length of a bird's infancy.

I personally don't think that global warming is man made. Admittedly the Human race is not blameless. I think that climate change has more to do with space weather than anything going on Earthside. There are no SUV's on Mars. The vehicles crawling around Mars are solar. It's warming up though.
There is a huge amount of evidence for climate change and a huge amount of evidence that such change is solely or largely caused by humans. If have evidence otherwise, I suggest you discuss in one of the several Global Warming threads in General Science.

Jim
2008-Oct-01, 09:52 PM
... I have seen no credible evidence that the Mayans of 500 years ago thought anything was going to particularly happen in 2012, other than their calendar was going to turn over. ...

You know, it just occured to me that such an event would be a Very Big Deal to the Mayans.

When our year ends, someone designs and prints a bunch of new calendars. Heck, lots of someones do. It's no Big Deal for us... 12 months on shiny paper stock.

But, have you seen the Mayan calendar? I mean, it's several tons of intricately carved stone. If you make a mistake halfway through, you don't just reset the press, you have to start over. Hours and hours of hard work, gone. Plus, you have to make another blank. And what if the king wants two? Or two hundred? This is a Major Undertaking!

Very Big Deal, indeed, and certainly worth a little angst. For a Mayan calendar maker, it could represent the end of the world.

kleindoofy
2008-Oct-01, 10:08 PM
(Woo Woo Alert)
Saying "woo woo alert" is a lot like saying "good morning": it happens every day and deals with many individuals.

Btw, I just checked my pocket calender and it ends ***THIS YEAR***. :eek:


The Mayan people were sophisticated and there is much we still don't understand about them.
I'm wouldn't say I'm sophisticated, but there are many things people still don't understand about me, so I guess my pocket calender must say something about the future, or about the lack of the same.

Just imagine, I'll be able to go really overboard on New Year's Eve without having to worry about any consequences.

Maybe.

Or do I have to worry about changes too subtle for me to see?

Swift
2008-Oct-02, 01:32 PM
But, have you seen the Mayan calendar? I mean, it's several tons of intricately carved stone. If you make a mistake halfway through, you don't just reset the press, you have to start over. Hours and hours of hard work, gone. Plus, you have to make another blank. And what if the king wants two? Or two hundred? This is a Major Undertaking!

That's what all the human sacrifice was about - punishing printers who made typos.

Neverfly
2008-Oct-02, 01:56 PM
That's what all the human sacrifice was about - punishing printers who made typos.

Now we take them out into a field with a baseball bat.

oh by the way...

Have you seen my stapler?

weatherc
2008-Oct-03, 12:40 AM
Now we take them out into a field with a baseball bat.

oh by the way...

Have you seen my stapler?No, but has anyone mentioned to you that there are new cover sheets for the TPS reports? You submitted your last TPS report with the old cover sheet.

Salty
2008-Oct-03, 03:39 AM
tongue in cheek:

I think this is serious. The end of the world as we know it predicted by a bronze age civilization should be taken seriously. Just think of all the parameters, which went into making that calendar. And, that a drought wiped out the Mayan civilization before 2012, doesn't that mean something?

Maybe we should worry about before 2012, too!

OK, so much for fun.

I go along with those who think that 2012 refers to the end of the Age of Aquarius and the beginning of the new zodiacal age.
In other words, no big thing.
(I think anything astronomical from extrasolar space would be showing up in Oort cloud, by now, if not the outer shell of our solar system. To my knowledge, nothing big has shown up).

NosePicker
2008-Oct-05, 09:42 PM
tongue in cheek:

I think this is serious. The end of the world as we know it predicted by a bronze age civilization should be taken seriously. Just think of all the parameters, which went into making that calendar. And, that a drought wiped out the Mayan civilization before 2012, doesn't that mean something?

Maybe we should worry about before 2012, too!

OK, so much for fun.

I go along with those who think that 2012 refers to the end of the Age of Aquarius and the beginning of the new zodiacal age.
In other words, no big thing.
(I think anything astronomical from extrasolar space would be showing up in Oort cloud, by now, if not the outer shell of our solar system. To my knowledge, nothing big has shown up).

The fly in that ointment is that there's plenty of comets, asteroids, and whatnot that can get past the handful of stargazers, or the very many stargazers, looking up at the heavens. Also, we are now at a point where we have weapons powerful enough to destroy the planet. Never mind that we're popping forth black holes in the lab...:lol:

http://www.sciencenewsblog.com/cgi-bin/snblog.pl?snblog=1021061