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Rift
2008-Aug-23, 08:37 AM
US to be Rocked by Heavy Chinese Medal Count (http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/news;_ylt=AuUBSohtMf0u4_YX4AfheGKVTZd4?slug=dw-medalcount082208&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

Bleah, who cares. Since when was the Olympics about which country won the most medals? I've been watching the Olympics since the Mexico City Games and I hate when they try to push a 'winning country' on you. I lived through the cold war and was use to 'losing' to USSR. I'm with Phil, it's getting to political. Again. Ideally, I thought it was about sportsmanship and promoting peace (and yes, I know about the original ancient Greek Olympics, don't rant about that)

Forced relocation of thousands of people to make room for the venues..
What amounts to slave labor to build the venues...
Stranglehold on any protest or freedom of speech...
No significant improvement over human rights violation...
The continued Occupation of Tibet...
Supporting Sudan with it's ethnic cleansing in Darfur (a word still in our vocab in the 21st centruy???)
China has a lot to answer for. I've always enjoyed the Olympics but this one is taxing.

The comparison to the 1936 Berlin Games is a good one.

Who friggen cares what the overall medal count is for a particular country is? What China is doing to its young people just to look good on the national arena is sickening. I've always rooted for the Host Country, they do 30% better then they do in other games. I loved the Athens Games and rooted for Greece, but this is just a travesty.

I choose Freedom over any stupid medal count. Let the Chinese have it...

geonuc
2008-Aug-23, 10:33 AM
Forced relocation of thousands of people to make room for the venues..
I think we did that here in Atlanta, too. Maybe not thousands, but Atlanta is not the size of Beijing.

Jens
2008-Aug-23, 10:42 AM
US to be Rocked by Heavy Chinese Medal Count (http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/news;_ylt=AuUBSohtMf0u4_YX4AfheGKVTZd4?slug=dw-medalcount082208&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

Bleah, who cares. Since when was the Olympics about which country won the most medals?

Since the beginning?

Lianachan
2008-Aug-23, 12:39 PM
Since the beginning?

Indeed. Isn't that, in fact, the whole point? Apart from the taking part aspect, of course. Anything else is to politicise it - which is a disgrace.

Rift
2008-Aug-23, 01:20 PM
Since the beginning?

Oh that's horse hooey. The only people that make it about which country 'wins' are the politicians back home. The United States never 'won' during the cold war, because the USSR did the same thing China is doing now. And it was still enjoyable. 205 countries entered this year, why even bother if it's IS about the country with the highest medal count??? You are rather proving my point.

Jens
2008-Aug-23, 01:22 PM
Yes, and I guess there are a couple of other elements: good sportsmanship, not cheating, that kind of thing. But when it comes down to it, I think that the whole point of competing in a competitive sport is to try to win.

Rift
2008-Aug-23, 01:23 PM
I think we did that here in Atlanta, too. Maybe not thousands, but Atlanta is not the size of Beijing.

You at least recompensed the people that were relocated in Atlanta...

Rift
2008-Aug-23, 01:26 PM
Yes, and I guess there are a couple of other elements: good sportsmanship, not cheating, that kind of thing. But when it comes down to it, I think that the whole point of competing in a competitive sport is to try to win.

For the INDIVIDUALS yes. NOT for the countries. Did I only cheer on athletes from my home country? HECK NO. This silly Plan 119 China has to go out and basically kidnap children they think will rake in the most gold is despicable. Or are you saying that's okay?

Jens
2008-Aug-23, 01:29 PM
Oh that's horse hooey. The only people that make it about which country 'wins' are the politicians back home. The United States never 'won' during the cold war, because the USSR did the same thing China is doing now. And it was still enjoyable. 205 countries entered this year, why even bother if it's IS about the country with the highest medal count??? You are rather proving my point.

Sorry, my last message was supposed to be a "yes" to Lianachan, but I didn't notice that your note got inserted in between.

The only people who care about what wins are politicians? That's absolutely wrong AFAIK. Maybe in the US nobody cares, but I can guarantee you that there are a lot of countries where people (not politicians, people in general) look at the medal count.

I'm not sure what point I'm proving. Maybe you'd care to explain how saying "it's always been about who wins the most medals" proves that "it's not about who wins the most medals."

And PS, I agree completely with you about some of the problems in China. But whether that is important in the context of the Olympics is a completely different issue. I'm glad that China hosted the Olympics and I hope that the Olympics has increased recognition within China of the importance of international image.

Ronald Brak
2008-Aug-23, 01:42 PM
Thanks to the Olympic games, millions of people in China experienced less smog than usual.

Rift
2008-Aug-23, 03:40 PM
Too bad it's not freedom.

Lianachan
2008-Aug-23, 03:41 PM
Too bad it's not freedom.

Has anybody mentioned "freedom" in the cliche thread yet?

sarongsong
2008-Aug-23, 03:57 PM
Overall Medal Count (http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/medals)
US to be Rocked by Heavy Chinese Medal Count (http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/news;_ylt=AuUBSohtMf0u4_YX4AfheGKVTZd4?slug=dw-medalcount082208&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

Bleah, who cares...You cared enough to change the article's original title http://www.bautforum.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

"U.S. will be rocked by China’s heavy medals"

slang
2008-Aug-23, 04:19 PM
Since the beginning?

And Greece always won.

Rift
2008-Aug-23, 04:33 PM
Overall Medal Count (http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/medals)You cared enough to change the article's original title http://www.bautforum.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

"U.S. will be rocked by China’s heavy medals"


Gawd, some of you guys are ANAL two friggen words.

Rift
2008-Aug-23, 04:33 PM
Has anybody mentioned "freedom" in the cliche thread yet?

Freedom is a cliche????

You can say that fat and happy with your SUV and Plasma TV making more then 2 dollars a day with the freedom of speech. Oh wait, "Freedom of Speech" is a cliche too.. ah...

rcallahan
2008-Aug-23, 05:19 PM
Thanks to the Olympic games, millions of people in China experienced less smog than usual.

The improvement in air quality that was so evident to Chinese politicians was not evident to me.

Rift
2008-Aug-23, 05:21 PM
Can a Moderator please delete or lock this dang thing, I'm sorry I started it. I also apologize for my behavior and upset I got angry, but this is a sensitive issue for me.

Tinaa
2008-Aug-23, 05:22 PM
Locked per OP request.