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heliopause
2003-Nov-10, 06:48 PM
Looking for the tech-nerd vs. Mallrat ratio.

R.A.F.
2003-Nov-10, 07:42 PM
I voted for "mostly online/some on site". My Wife and I have recently "discovered" E-Bay and we've kinda went a little crazy with the X-mas shopping. Fact of the matter, we're DONE with all our holiday shopping!
(But I'm sure that we'll still be buying "stuff" up till Dec. 24th).

heliopause
2003-Nov-10, 08:52 PM
Shopping centers depress me (and, I suspect, lower my IQ). Thank God for eBay, Amazon, and other quality online retailers!

mutant
2003-Nov-10, 10:44 PM
Our family does not do "holiday" shopping. Christmas time has been distorted by the commercial sector into a greedfest. If you doubt this, this is just the middle of the 2nd week of November. Already the stores here have christmas decorations up and specials already starting. Christmas is no longer about family togetherness and/or religion etc. It is just about how much business' can sell during the holidays. I have heard that they can make or break their season by what they sell during December. Lord knows that is the most important thing, no pun intended.

I know this sounds cynical and I apologize, but I am just tired of it. All the ads, all the hype, all of the things we can't live without and it's on sale right now. All the money you are suppose to spend. I just want to sit quietly in front of the fireplace with my family and relax. Which I will do. Boy I love roasted marshmellows.

tuffel999
2003-Nov-10, 11:58 PM
I know this sounds cynical and I apologize, but I am just tired of it. All the ads, all the hype, all of the things we can't live without and it's on sale right now. All the money you are suppose to spend. I just want to sit quietly in front of the fireplace with my family and relax. Which I will do. Boy I love roasted marshmellows.

But i do need it honest the ad told me so!

Seriously though I used to work retail in high school and part of college(for those of you keeping score I worked 3 jobs to pay for college). I must say it gives you a real dreed for the holidays. And yes the time from november 1 to Jan 15 typically makes a year for a retail store at least in the electronics boutique. Ahhhhh each black friday I haven't worked since I graduated I have been so happy.

chani
2003-Nov-11, 11:50 PM
what mutant said

Jpax2003
2003-Nov-12, 01:11 AM
Christmas time has been distorted by the commercial sector into a greedfest.... Christmas is no longer about family togetherness and/or religion etc.

Christmas in America was never about anything other than commercialism. Look back at the history of Christmas. It was for the longest time prohibited or looked down upon as a festival of ne'er-do-wells. It was what Mardi Gras is today. When Christmas was made a US national holiday, it was supposed to be a time of celebration of childhood. It was from the beginning meant to be commercial event. Only recently have we started adding much more depth and sacred value to the day.

I for one, do not believe Christ was born of virgin birth on December 25. The unusual use of the word "tabernacled" in the original greek text of John 1:14 would seem to be a hint left by the litergical-minded John. "Tabernacled" is likely a reference to the Feast of Tabernacles which occurs on 15 Tishri (Hebrew month) or our September/October time. This holiday required all males to go to the Temple in Jerusalem. Since we know that Mary and Joseph went to be enrolled in a census, it would make sense for the Romans to use this holiday to enumerate the Israelites. If we account for the term of birth of Mary, we can work backwards to 25 December as the date of the Immaculate Conception. Also, there is a less likelyhood of shepherds being in their fields in late December than in late September. And would Mary and Joseph risk a long journey with her nearly due in that frigid time, just to enroll in a census by the hated Romans?

So, I think the case can be made that not only is Christmas a commercial holiday. It was meant to be a commercial holiday. Moreover, it is likely not coincident with the sacred events it is presumed to observe.

Now Easter, on the other hand, I believe is appopriately sacred, and commercialism has made slower inroads. In general, I agree that the Christmas season is too elongated. It is no longer about children, and nominally family. It has become an orgy of commercial excesses. Part of that is simple greed. The other part relates to socio-economics: with an unstable society and economy, many people focus on that time, and may not spend at anyother time of the year.

The Christmas shopping season is taking sales from the rest of the year. This now seems to be an all-or-nothing proposition. If you fail at Christmas, you fail altogether. Many businesses will hold back at Christmas, worried about getting stuck with overstock or product failures. This actually makes matters worse because we have both an artificially high demand compounded by an artificially low supply! Without the over-commercialization of Christmas, we might have a more stablity in our economy, job market, and bank account. We'd have both our money and our toys. We could have our cake and eat it too.

Why don't we change the system? The Christmas Pirates and Profiteers who get rich quick won't let us. After all, they need all that money for election contributions.

rigel
2003-Nov-12, 02:01 PM
I do very little christmas shopping. Christmas is about the equivalent of birthdays. So I try to hit the stores quick, and get out quick, since I don't like the crowds that time of the year. I have only used online shopping when I know that local stores do not have certain items, such as special sports equipment.

mickal555
2005-Jun-10, 08:01 PM
I'm tired- I"m going to bed... maybe I'll read a bit...