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red supergiant
2009-May-07, 08:25 AM
Hi, members. Hearing a lot lately about Nibiru and how its going to cross the Earth's orbit and cause its end in the year 2012. How far is it true? And if its really there, cant we see it? or prevent it?

Jason Thompson
2009-May-07, 08:32 AM
Relax. It's not true. Any object close enough to cross our orbit in three and a half years would be a very easy naked-eye object by now. It is not there.

astromark
2009-May-07, 09:01 AM
Where does this rubbish come from ?
Why are people so quick to except as true unsupported nonsense.

Read again what Jason has said...

Relax. It's not true. Any object close enough to cross our orbit in three and a half years would be a very easy naked-eye object by now. It is not there. Thank you Jason...

Just around here where I live we have an active astronomicle society. Many of the 30 or so members own telescops... We spend hundreds of hours looking for things to attach our names to. Asteroids and comets... FORGET NIBARU... it is not real.

Swift
2009-May-07, 01:18 PM
Hi red supergiant, welcome to BAUT.

If you would like to see other discussion on BAUT on this topic (there are lots), just search on "Nibiru" or "Planet X".

Wizard From Oz
2009-May-07, 01:32 PM
Just around here where I live we have an active astronomicle society. Many of the 30 or so members own telescops... We spend hundreds of hours looking for things to attach our names to. Asteroids and comets... FORGET NIBARU... it is not real.

I am actually writing an article about this as we speak. Many people dont seem to realise how many amatures are looking up on any given night. The other thing that is amazing is how small the stuff is they find. The smallest thing I have had confirmed discovered by an amature is a 100 feet across. The professionals have spotted objects down to 30 feet.

So for a whole planet to be sneaking up on us is near impossible. Some have argued the object is very dark. Again amatures are not silly. If they are observing a piece of sky, and stars are missing, they are going to notice. And ask questions.

Fiery Phoenix
2009-May-07, 08:25 PM
Indeed, where does all this nonsense come from?! Regardless of observing and whatnot, I'm pretty sure only some math would probably prove this wrong.

novaderrik
2009-May-07, 11:27 PM
that's the planet that's going to wipe us all out in 2003 or 2004..

WayneFrancis
2009-May-07, 11:44 PM
Where does this rubbish come from ?
Why are people so quick to except as true unsupported nonsense.

Read again what Jason has said...

Relax. It's not true. Any object close enough to cross our orbit in three and a half years would be a very easy naked-eye object by now. It is not there. Thank you Jason...

Just around here where I live we have an active astronomicle society. Many of the 30 or so members own telescops... We spend hundreds of hours looking for things to attach our names to. Asteroids and comets... FORGET NIBARU... it is not real.

But there is a movie called 2012 coming out...it must be true!!!!
Just like the star trek movie I'm going to see on the weekend.

danscope
2009-May-08, 01:21 AM
Welcome to the Satelite of Love on MST 3000.
(Gee, I mis that show).

01101001
2009-May-08, 01:22 AM
Hearing a lot lately about Nibiru and how its going to cross the Earth's orbit and cause its end in the year 2012.

You really need to be listening to higher-quality sources.

Try the links in article in topic 2012 and Solar Storms (http://www.bautforum.com/1481809-post26.html).

(I'll be happy to copy the links here if this topic becomes much more of a 2012 magnet.)

Edit, much later: it has, so...


Here are some BAUT Forum topics that have addressed aspects of predictions for year 2012, and some allied articles:


2003 no, 2012 si (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=03179)
2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=03181)
End of Mayan Calendar (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=04509)
Pole shift / Planetary alignment 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=07145)
2012 alignment question (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=09421)
about the Mayan 2012 item (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=10214)
2012 Debunking? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=10724)
Possible asteroid impact in 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=10924)
2012 asteroid? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=13592)
We don't have to worry about 2012! (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=16490)
More on 2012 from India Daily (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=16709)
2012 Completion of conspiracy? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=17667)
Here's what's REALLY going to happen in 2012... (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=18322)
crop circles, Planet X and 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=18375)
Planet X, crop circles and 2012 cataclysma (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=18378)
According to the Mayans, what will happen on 23rd Dec. 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=18757)
More 2012 Nonsense (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=19201)
NEO 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=20191)
Dangerous NEO in 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=20539)
Christmas 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=23941)
2012 mayan calender end of world (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=30892)
Regarding the supposed polar shift/new ice age in 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=31452)
New 2012 threat? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=32413)
2012 look at this thing on the sun (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=35462)
Russian Expert Predicts Global Cooling from 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=38978)
Pole shift idea origins (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=43775)
Dec 20 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=46117)
2012 Stuff (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=51021)
No reply previous question (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=52297)
Horizon Project-New End of World Scare? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53788)
Date: December 21st 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53831)
Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn't that already happen? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53904)
2012: What do you think well happen (if anything) (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=53924)
So what will we see in 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=54404)
Galactic Tsunami? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=54418)
Plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=55312)
Earth's Magnetic Field & 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=55386)
2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=56513)
Any truth to this? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=58039)
How can the sun be aligned with Galactic centre? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=63109)
the whole 2012 poles flip nonsense (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=63449)
Planet X Official Advertisement (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=65831)
What year are we in (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=66055)
Quick question about the sun (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=66221)
Galactic Alignment (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=66414)
Books of 2012! - (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=67663)
2007 = 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=67908)
Return of Planet X By Rand (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=67948)
Don Alejandro - Mayan Elder. (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=67954)
Toutatis 4179: 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=68472)
Galactic Alignment in 2012 ? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=68661)
Solar Storms (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=68907)
A real prediction! (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=69448)
NIBURU - Brown Dwarf, The DESTROYER (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=70163)
2012 Galactic Alignment (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=70260)
Not 2012 again! But I cant help it~ (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=70438)
New evidence for 2012 TEOTWAWKI!!! (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=70795)
this may be a silly question but... (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=71061)
Just to know if this is true (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=71216)
Just Wondering... (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=71633)
Planet X/Nibiru, is it real? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=72398)
Youv heard this a million times. (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=72777)
Nibaru or Planet X (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=73180)
Mayan calendar (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=73414)
2012 Article? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=73492)
can i say something please on planet x (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=73579)
Nibiru (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=73654)
The growing earth.... :P (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=74164)
Our Solar System's Eclipse of the Galactic Plane on Dec 21, 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=74615)
Something scaring the hell out of me.... (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=74881)
It's Only the end of the World AGAIN!!! (Woo Woo Alert) (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=76346)
2021 Doomsday (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=77802)
is it just me or is the milky way brighter..? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=77955)
Polar Shift in 2012? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=78219)
I would like to ask about Nubiru stuff... (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=78719)
Bit behind the times, my appologies... (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=78966)
the "pole shift thing" (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=79146)
All the Truth about 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=79425)
Confused about 2012 (yes, another one!) (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=79817)
Another paranoia mind due to 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=80144)
novelty theory (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=80949)
Possibility of Pole Shift (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=81227)
2012 Vectors (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=81304)
Nibiru Question (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=81363)
Odd things floating on google sky (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=82312)
2012 end of the world? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=86195)
2012 and Solar Storms? (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=87388)
Nibiru (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=88006)
Sun polar shift weirdness. (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=89521)
Question? [2012] (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=89525)
December 21st 2012 (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=91235)
UN Agenda 21 and the coming pole reversal scare (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=92451)
Space storm alert: 90 seconds from catastrophe (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=93709)

Universe Today: No Doomsday in 2012 (http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/19/no-doomsday-in-2012/)
Bad Astronomy Blog: 2012, the year nothing will happen (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/05/19/2012-the-year-nothing-will-happen/)
Universe Today: 2012: No Planet X (http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/25/2012-no-planet-x/)
Universe Today: 2012: Planet X is not Nibiru (http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/19/2012-planet-x-is-not-nibiru/)
Universe Today: 2012: No Killer Solar Flare (http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/21/2012-no-killer-solar-flare/)
Universe Today: 2012: No Geomagnetic Reversal (http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/03/2012-no-geomagnetic-reversal/)
Universe Today: 2012: No Comet (http://www.universetoday.com/2008/12/21/2012-no-comet/)
Universe Today: Another Voice Against 2012 Mania (http://www.universetoday.com/2009/02/15/another-voice-against-2012-mania/)

JustAFriend
2009-May-09, 06:45 PM
Indeed, where does all this nonsense come from?!

Remember that the VAST majority of people:

Have NEVER looked through a telescope.
Have never looked at an astronomy magazine.
Took only one general science course in Junior or High School.
The only space they see is Star Wars or Trek or the really bad sci-fi movies.
And have been taught that anything they read in print is true.

:doh:

Gillianren
2009-May-10, 12:26 AM
And have been taught that anything they read in print is true.

Who gets taught that?

Luckeydavid
2009-May-10, 12:37 AM
Who gets taught that?
The smart ones.

astromark
2009-May-10, 08:33 AM
Then let me add... I give in to the weight of stupidity I see before me. I now must concede that its all been a trick. It is of course true that in the year 2012 on or about the 1st of April life on Earth as we know it will be destroyed.... total and compleat inillation of the life forms of planet Earth. A planet the size of Mars consisting of dark mater as yet unseen is going to pass so close to Earth as to either collide or other wise disrupt this beautiful blue dot. We are all going to die.... that's just three years away. Sell the house and party hard... DO NO SUCH THING. !
DO NOT ACT AS FOOLS... Do some research. You will note that the astronomicle societies which are actively involved in direct observations of any and all astronomicle events of any interest. Have not yet discovered any Earth crossing object that could be described this way. As yet no impending impact event has been identified. As soon as it is. I can assure you. You will be told. The greatest power on Earth will not just let us all perish as such. NASA, and the European Space Agency would not just roll over and ignore such a destructive event. The compleat destruction of Earth would be on the front page... don't you think.?
This forum is for questions and answers regarding the subject of astronomy. Unfounded speculative fear mongering is unexeptable and stupid. There is as yet not a single thread of verifiable facts of this Nubaru. The only conclusion I can reach is that some reckless indervidualls get some gratification from spreading such lies of impending doom. Hence forth will be ignored by me....

Centaur
2009-May-10, 05:57 PM
Hi, members. Hearing a lot lately about Nibiru and how its going to cross the Earth's orbit and cause its end in the year 2012. How far is it true? And if its really there, cant we see it? or prevent it?

Welcome to the discussion group, Red Supergiant.

Beware. There will always be people eager to believe all kinds of pseudoscientific nonsense. That means plenty of charlatans eager to make a buck, who will try to satisfy and even stir up the demand. Always keep at least one skeptical eye open when such jesters ask you to keep your mind open to what they want to pour into it. Their principle intent is to withdraw money from your pockets and those of your friends. Don't confuse having an open mind with credulity.

The flimflammers take advantage of people who would eagerly transform their “wanting to believe” into “truly believing”. That’s true regarding a diverse array of conjectures and philosophies. Contrary evidence is disregarded as intentional deception by an army of mean spirited conspirators. But the flimsiest scraps presented by con artists indicating that fantastic beliefs may have some foundation are unquestioningly revered as holy grails by the credulous multitude. It’s always been this way. It will never change. Very few believers will ever waver. The shrewd hustlers who take advantage of this common human frailty will continue to profit.

For many people astronomy is mildly interesting at best and boring at worst. But the notions of extraterrestrial visitations or cosmic catastrophes excite them. Hence previously educational television outlets such as the History and Discovery channels now drift into the realm of pseudoscience. That attracts bigger audiences and sells more of the sponsors’ products than material gleaned after passing through the gauntlet of the scientific method and its associated peer review.

It’s a shame the way that scammers ask people already eager to believe certain nonsense to further “open their minds” to baseless silliness, and stifle contrary findings by telling often paranoid followers that massive conspiracies exist to hide what they all “know” is the truth. Throughout history more serious results have followed after folks started saluting demagogues and allowed them to rise to political prominence after they employed similar techniques.

Gillianren
2009-May-10, 06:37 PM
The smart ones.

Welcome aboard, Luckeydavid; read the rules and stay awhile.

This particular smart person and pretty much all the other smart people I've ever met, were taught about the failings of past ideas, which were pretty much all in print, or at least hand-copied for centuries. Ergo, we know full well that not everything we see in print is true.

rommel543
2009-May-11, 01:01 PM
I can't count how many disaster there are going to occur on Dec 21, 2010.

First there's the comet/asteroid that is going to slam into us.

Then there is the stray planet that is going to run into us.

Then a Red Dwarf that is suppose to swing so close as to disrupt our orbit and cause us to either get flung into space or fall into the sun.

Then there is the alignment with the galactic plane and our sun which happens to occur exactly the same time as we complete a 26,000 cycle in our orbital wobble, all of which will cause the earth to flip over.

I think the best that I've read/hear is our solar system is going to cross a special electro-magnetic field caused by the galactic core which will ignite and strip away the upper levels of our atmosphere. After 100 years of bathing in this field mankind will transcend to into energy beings and join the ranks of other energy beings in the universe.

Don't forget all the predictions are true and the government knows about them, but are working with the aliens to keep it under wraps.

A.DIM
2009-May-11, 01:37 PM
Hi, members. Hearing a lot lately about Nibiru and how its going to cross the Earth's orbit and cause its end in the year 2012. How far is it true? And if its really there, cant we see it? or prevent it?

You should've been here in '02!!

Gandalf223
2009-May-11, 04:01 PM
Hearing a lot lately about Nibiru .... is it true?

When you hear about Nibiru, notice that you also invariably hear about government conspiracies to keep us all in the dark about the impending doom.

Never any proof, of course.....

rommel543
2009-May-11, 04:16 PM
Kinda makes me wonder why and how they think the government would cover it up. The government can't go and put a giant screen up in space to hide a star or planet coming at us. Honestly I would think that if the government found out that the entire planet is going to get destroyed by an incoming celestial body, everyone's debt would be absolved, business would shut down and would be told to enjoy ourselves for the last little bit of time we have left.

Celestial Mechanic
2009-May-11, 05:27 PM
You should've been here in '02!!
Thanks for reminding me! We're coming up on six years since Planet X came careening through the inner Solar System, flipping over the Earth's rotational axis and driving all of our pets insane. (Except the ones thoughtfully euthanized beforehand, of course.) How time flies when you've got a life! ;)

aurora
2009-May-11, 08:59 PM
Ah, yes, 02...

/Steve Martin voice/

You remember when


Planet X came careening through the inner Solar System, flipping over the Earth's rotational axis and driving all of our pets insane. (Except the ones thoughtfully euthanized beforehand, of course.

and then the government wiped the memories of all the stupid people so that they wouldn't....

Oh.

Never mind. :whistle:

/end Steve Martin voice/

Gandalf223
2009-May-12, 01:53 AM
Kinda makes me wonder why and how they think the government would cover it up. The government can't go and put a giant screen up in space to hide a star or planet coming at us.

Of course not; that's crazy talk. The gubmint just gets them Google Sky folks to put a black square over stuff. They can afford it, them guys is rich!

A.DIM
2009-May-12, 02:12 AM
Kinda makes me wonder why and how they think the government would cover it up. The government can't go and put a giant screen up in space to hide a star or planet coming at us. Honestly I would think that if the government found out that the entire planet is going to get destroyed by an incoming celestial body, everyone's debt would be absolved, business would shut down and would be told to enjoy ourselves for the last little bit of time we have left.

"Everyone: an earth destroying object is due soon, please await its arrival calmly and quietly because all you know is coming to an end and you don't have to worry about running your business or paying your mortgage. And there's nothing we can do about it."

:rolleyes:

TRUTHisnotfacts
2009-May-12, 02:29 AM
There will be NO planet enter earths orbit on 2012

If there was a planet coming in 2012 NASA would have seen this object in 1990s and people would have seen this by the early 2000s

Things to look for if a PLANET was on its way

1. Climate out of control
2. earth would slow down
3. Emotional problems
4. moon would glow with a faint light on its dark side



None of this has took place

robross
2009-May-12, 02:38 AM
"And please kids, no rioting, cause that's just not cool."

I'm not sure that would be an effective admonition.

Rob

robross
2009-May-12, 02:44 AM
There will be NO planet enter earths orbit on 2012

If there was a planet coming in 2012 NASA would have seen this object in 1990s and people would have seen this by the early 2000s

Things to look for if a PLANET was on its way

1. Climate out of control
2. earth would slow down
3. Emotional problems
4. moon would glow with a faint light on its dark side

None of this has took place

I'm just curious, how much education have you had? If you're in middle school I can cut you some slack. If you've had some college, I have to suggest you get your money back.

1. Climate is controlled by the Sun heating the atmosphere and oceans differentially, combined with the rotation of the earth. An external planet would have zero impact on our climate.

2. Perhaps, if the body was close enough to us. But if it were both close enough and massive enough to affect our rotation or motion around the Sun, we'd be seeing it at least as large as the moon in the night/day sky.

3. If you mean the stress caused by sensing impending doom, you might have a point. But since there is no evidence of this body to cause the emotional distress, this point isn't valid either.

4. How would we see this faint glow from Earth??

Rob

Nowhere Man
2009-May-12, 02:54 AM
People generate plenty of emotional problems on their own without rogue planets to cause more.

And the dark side of the moon does glow sometimes -- it's called Earthshine. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthshine#Earthshine)

edit to add: Rob -- don't confuse the dark side of the Moon with the far side.

Fred

robross
2009-May-12, 03:01 AM
People generate plenty of emotional problems on their own without rogue planets to cause more.

And the dark side of the moon does glow sometimes -- it's called Earthshine. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthshine#Earthshine)

edit to add: Rob -- don't confuse the dark side of the Moon with the far side.

Fred

Yes, but most people when they say "dark side" mean "far side", i.e., back-side. (Most people being not those that post on this site, but I made an educated guess that the poster to whom I was responding meant it in this manner.)

Rob

Swift
2009-May-12, 03:05 AM
<snip>
Things to look for if a PLANET was on its way

1. Climate out of control
2. earth would slow down
3. Emotional problems
4. moon would glow with a faint light on its dark side

my bold

:confused: Emotional problems? Uh, maybe we are doomed. ;)

How about "cats and dogs living together" :D

Peter B
2009-May-12, 12:00 PM
I think this limerick catches the sense of 2012 (such as it is). First seen, if I remember correctly, on the JREF forum a few years ago...


There once was a Planet X,
Its gravity had effects,
Space so curved
Poets unnerved
Limericks shortened, sometimes didn't even rhyme either.

novaderrik
2009-May-12, 07:33 PM
one of my friends from high school is in an industrial/metal band called "Planet X"- the latest poster i've seen shows a funky looking planet that looks somewhat like Cybertron flying low over a city, with the people below on the streets running for their lives as if Godzilla was on the prowl again..
i think they are just making fun of all the hysterical people, but i'm not 100% sure about that..

R.A.F.
2009-May-12, 07:44 PM
i think they are just making fun of all the hysterical people, but i'm not 100% sure about that..

With "industrial metal" bands you never can be too sure. :lol:

DonM435
2009-May-14, 01:34 PM
Ah, yes, 02...

/Steve Martin voice/

You remember when



and then the government wiped the memories of all the stupid people so that they wouldn't....

Oh.

Never mind. :whistle:

/end Steve Martin voice/

Wait a minute . . . Steve Martin wouldn't ended it with

Nahhhhhhhhh!!

It was Gilda Radner that said "Never mind."

Gillianren
2009-May-14, 04:44 PM
Wait a minute . . . Steve Martin wouldn't ended it with

Nahhhhhhhhh!!

It was Gilda Radner that said "Never mind."

You can look it up, if you like; the bit does end with "never mind."

AndreasJ
2009-May-14, 05:43 PM
The government can't go and put a giant screen up in space to hide a star or planet coming at us.
That's what They want you to think.

DonM435
2009-May-14, 06:00 PM
You can look it up, if you like; the bit does end with "never mind."

I'll take your word for it -- I didn't know that it was a real quote. Sorry.

astromark
2009-May-15, 09:57 AM
" What's the mater?" Never mind. "What's the mind?" Doesn't mater.

DonM435
2009-May-15, 12:28 PM
This particularly rapid, unintelligible patter
Isn't generally heard, and if it is it doesn't matter (matter, matter ...)

aurora
2009-May-15, 04:04 PM
You can look it up, if you like; the bit does end with "never mind."

Thanks, I was doing it from faulty memory, and may have gotten it wrong, which is why I typed I was using Steve Martin's voice, rather than put it in quotes.

But I did mean to give credit to Mr Martin for the idea. And it just seemed so perfect in this thread.

Raya
2009-Sep-15, 06:02 PM
I heard of Hercolubus instead, is it the same planet?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBPIDGIpuhw

Nowhere Man
2009-Sep-16, 01:59 AM
Hercolobus and Niburu have one important feature in common...

Neither one exists.

Read that again.

Fred

Starfury
2009-Sep-16, 02:57 AM
I heard of Hercolubus instead, is it the same planet?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBPIDGIpuhw

The video is good for a few laughs, but nothing else.

(btw I like your avatar)

Marcel
2009-Sep-17, 11:03 AM
Why are people so quick to except as true unsupported nonsense.

It looks to me that red supergiant, far from being quick to "except" this unsupported nonsense, heard about something, and went to the questions and answers section of an astronomy bulletin board and asked about it.


Then let me add... I give in to the weight of stupidity I see before me. I now must concede that its all been a trick. It is of course true that in the year 2012 on or about the 1st of April life on Earth as we know it will be destroyed.... total and compleat inillation of the life forms of planet Earth. A planet the size of Mars consisting of dark mater as yet unseen is going to pass so close to Earth as to either collide or other wise disrupt this beautiful blue dot. We are all going to die.... that's just three years away. Sell the house and party hard... DO NO SUCH THING. !
DO NOT ACT AS FOOLS... Do some research. You will note that the astronomicle societies which are actively involved in direct observations of any and all astronomicle events of any interest. Have not yet discovered any Earth crossing object that could be described this way. As yet no impending impact event has been identified. As soon as it is. I can assure you. You will be told. The greatest power on Earth will not just let us all perish as such. NASA, and the European Space Agency would not just roll over and ignore such a destructive event. The compleat destruction of Earth would be on the front page... don't you think.?
This forum is for questions and answers regarding the subject of astronomy. Unfounded speculative fear mongering is unexeptable and stupid. There is as yet not a single thread of verifiable facts of this Nubaru. The only conclusion I can reach is that some reckless indervidualls get some gratification from spreading such lies of impending doom. Hence forth will be ignored by me....

I don't think this over the top wailing is likely to cause people to want to come to this bulletin board for accurate answers to astronomy questions.

danscope
2009-Sep-17, 07:57 PM
Lets face the fact that 'some people' think that there was a B-29 found on the moon....simply because they read it in the 'weekly world news', which is a pathetic rag suitable to wrap fish in. I prefer to rely on good astronomers
who work at their professio for a living,.... and not some looney tune who sat at a computer and thought.."Gee, what can I feed these chumps today?".
Nibaru....shmibaru.

Gillianren
2009-Sep-17, 09:02 PM
Lets face the fact that 'some people' think that there was a B-29 found on the moon....simply because they read it in the 'weekly world news', which is a pathetic rag suitable to wrap fish in.

The Weekly World News, which is out of publication, is a great satire. At least they admitted to making things up. Sadly, not unlike The Onion, people too often took them seriously.

Luckmeister
2009-Sep-17, 09:30 PM
The gullibility and lack of critical thinking so prevalent today can be so frutrating to members of this board that there is often a desire to vent. That's because after 100 people have come here with questions or accusations after visiting CT or pseudoscience websites, people think that the 101st poster should have learned better by now.

Unfortunately, there is no collective consciousness that has magically informed that latest visitor. He/she comes here with the same naivete and poor science education that the first exhibited. This is why it takes a special kind of person to be a teacher; to have to start each class patiently countering the bad information and assumptions new students arrive with.

Nibiru is a good example of a bad myth that keeps finding new people. Astronomer David Morrison has had to deal with this myth that just won't go away. I suggest that anyone unsure of Nibiru doomsday proponents' credibility check out this article (http://www.csicop.org/si/show/myth_of_nibiru_and_the_end_of_the_world_in_2012/) he wrote for Skeptical Inquirer magazine.

Mike

danscope
2009-Sep-18, 01:33 AM
Thanks Mike , May this help to bury the nibiru myth at a depth which it deserves....way down deep! :)
Best regards,
Dan

tusenfem
2009-Sep-18, 09:45 AM
The Weekly World News, which is out of publication, is a great satire. At least they admitted to making things up. Sadly, not unlike The Onion, people too often took them seriously.

Everything I know about space physics, I learned from the Weekly World News.

slang
2009-Sep-18, 10:49 AM
It looks to me that red supergiant, far from being quick to "except" this unsupported nonsense, heard about something, and went to the questions and answers section of an astronomy bulletin board and asked about it.

And he received several good replies answering his question, including from the person whom you quoted from a later post. That post was 3 days later, without any response from the original poster, and the thread had moved on.


I don't think this over the top wailing is likely to cause people to want to come to this bulletin board for accurate answers to astronomy questions.

They see a question, a good answer in 7 minutes, and a couple more in hours. I don't see the welcoming thread suffering just yet.

Starfury
2009-Sep-19, 04:03 PM
Lets face the fact that 'some people' think that there was a B-29 found on the moon....simply because they read it in the 'weekly world news', which is a pathetic rag suitable to wrap fish in.

If you have a pet parakeet or other bird, and line its cages with the WWN, it will hold in their droppings until it's replaced with something better. :lol:

Metricyard
2009-Sep-19, 05:40 PM
Kinda makes me wonder why and how they think the government would cover it up. The government can't go and put a giant screen up in space to hide a star or planet coming at us. Honestly I would think that if the government found out that the entire planet is going to get destroyed by an incoming celestial body, everyone's debt would be absolved, business would shut down and would be told to enjoy ourselves for the last little bit of time we have left.

Ironically, if the government, NASA, astronomer did find a large planet heading our way, I'm sure there would be conspiracy theorists that would claim that it didn't exist. :shifty:

Centaur
2009-Sep-19, 05:59 PM
I heard of Hercolubus instead, is it the same planet?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBPIDGIpuhw

Welcome to the discussion group, Raya. I hope that you contribute more than one post.

Thank you for showing us how some people will take the time to produce a ridiculously deceptive video. I hope you did not take seriously a person who wrote using an authoritative tone while presenting zero evidence to support his thesis. Were newsreels of past disasters supposed to arouse our emotions to the point that we would leap to the conclusion they were caused by the approach of some hypothetical planet? Hmmm, I seem to have read before of people who predict a horrid future for those who do not heed their warnings, and salvation for those who unquestioningly accept their philosophies and eventually provide financial support.

danscope
2009-Sep-20, 05:12 AM
If you have a pet parakeet or other bird, and line its cages with the WWN, it will hold in their droppings until it's replaced with something better. :lol:

Oh.... GOOD ONE!!!!! :):lol::lol:

Dan

Hungry4info
2009-Sep-20, 07:44 AM
I can't count how many disaster there are going to occur on Dec 21, 2010.
First there's the comet/asteroid that is going to slam into us.
Then there is the stray planet that is going to run into us.
Then a Red Dwarf that is suppose to swing so close as to disrupt our orbit and cause us to either get flung into space or fall into the sun.
Then there is the alignment with the galactic plane and our sun which happens to occur exactly the same time as we complete a 26,000 cycle in our orbital wobble, all of which will cause the earth to flip over.
I think the best that I've read/hear is our solar system is going to cross a special electro-magnetic field caused by the galactic core which will ignite and strip away the upper levels of our atmosphere. After 100 years of bathing in this field mankind will transcend to into energy beings and join the ranks of other energy beings in the universe.
Don't forget all the predictions are true and the government knows about them, but are working with the aliens to keep it under wraps.

Don't forget the "photon belt"! (one of the less popular crazy hypotheses)

Dec 21, 2012 is going to be a very exciting day indeed! :lol:;)

About the movie "2012", a friend joking proposed to me "Maybe Nostradamus actually just saw the movie in the future." and that since he didn't know it was a movie, he wrote of it as if it was a "prophecy". While I don't know if Nostradamus wrote anything that the crazies associate with 2012, it was an amusing prospect.

jniemann
2009-Sep-20, 07:48 AM
With "industrial metal" bands you never can be too sure. :lol:

Bah - just stick to your Engelbert Humperdinck then :lol:

Gillianren
2009-Sep-20, 08:13 AM
While I don't know if Nostradamus wrote anything that the crazies associate with 2012, it was an amusing prospect.

Has there ever been anything since he wrote the quatrains that they haven't associated one of them with?

Hungry4info
2009-Sep-20, 08:35 AM
Has there ever been anything since he wrote the quatrains that they haven't associated one of them with?

Haha, I honestly don't know. :lol:

I'm going to light some candles, dim the lights, get a feather and ink and write "something bad will happen."

A few hundreds of years from now, I'll be thought of as a prophet.

sloppyjoetogo
2009-Sep-20, 01:01 PM
...if its all nonsence then why are the star maps on google sky and world wide telescope altered? What are they hiding? If your lucky enough to find the spring beta version of world wide telescope you will see its there, then the next version is blurred out! And google sky just removed a huge box of space! lol Makes me wonder.......

sloppyjoetogo
2009-Sep-20, 01:07 PM
testing 123

antoniseb
2009-Sep-20, 01:17 PM
...if its all nonsence then why are the star maps on google sky and world wide telescope altered? What are they hiding? If your lucky enough to find the spring beta version of world wide telescope you will see its there, then the next version is blurred out! And google sky just removed a huge box of space! lol Makes me wonder.......

If you are serious that this is being done, and have some solid evidence for it you should open a thread in the conspiracy theories section.

antoniseb
2009-Sep-20, 01:20 PM
testing 123
6AM Pacific Time on a Sunday is an unrealistic time to expect replies in under a few minutes.

Nowhere Man
2009-Sep-20, 02:16 PM
Google's sky maps are not the final arbiter of what's in the skies. They only present what data they have. There is nothing to prevent you from getting a pair of binoculars or an inexpensive telescope and looking for yourself. It takes some time, money, and dark skies, but it can be done. There are millions of amateur astronomers out there, and if something odd was going on, you can bet your sweet bippy that they would not keep quiet about it.

Believe it or not, there are things that are not on the WWW but still exist.

Fred

01101001
2009-Sep-20, 03:25 PM
...if its all nonsence then why are the star maps on google sky and world wide telescope altered? What are they hiding?

Because you're looking at source materials assembled by robotic software from vast collections, in which, for instance, sometimes very bright objects -- planets, close stars -- overwhelm nearby detail, so the original astronomers mask out known things so they can gaze at the wonders beyond.

See topics
Google sky weirdness (http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/76983-google-sky-weirdness.html)
Odd things floating on google sky (http://www.bautforum.com/space-astronomy-questions-answers/82312-odd-things-floating-google-sky.html)
Google Sky is in on the Planet X Conspiracy (http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/76065-google-sky-planet-x-conspiracy.html)

Stop spreading misinformation and fear please and learn how the world works. Thanks.

Read and understand: Sloan Digital Sky Survey FAQ :: Why doesn't SDSS have data for well-known visible stars (Sirius, Vega, etc.)? (http://cas.sdss.org/dr6/en/help/docs/cas_faq.asp#brightstars)

If you want to see what's in those blanked out areas, you're going to have to do a little work instead of relying on the Google robots to spoon-feed you images. It's all on the Web. You could look it up.

Centaur
2009-Sep-21, 02:11 AM
...if its all nonsence then why are the star maps on google sky and world wide telescope altered? What are they hiding? If your lucky enough to find the spring beta version of world wide telescope you will see its there, then the next version is blurred out! And google sky just removed a huge box of space! lol Makes me wonder.......


Because they’re all part of a gigantic conspiracy and will be put to hideous deaths if they dare leak what they know. Those in power and their vast army of flunkies don’t want any outsiders to know the truth about anything. In fact, those of you who attempt to get out the word on this had better watch over your shoulders; they may be out to get you. So, Shhh!

Or wait a minute; could it be that the real conspirators are those who disseminate unfounded scary nonsense to an audience of credulous paranoids? Hmmm, that gives me an idea! There’s probably more money in that than remaining honest.

astromark
2009-Sep-21, 02:48 AM
Yes Centaur you have nailed it... Let's go make the fiction horror movie...
Way back when Red supergiant blundered into this with a question ( 7th may 09).. and then Raya chimed in with more histeria... and we explained carefully.
Please go back and vis-at posts 1-10.
Its little wonder I lost the plot. and some hair... We have tried and tried but here it is some four months down wind and its back. Thank you Marcel. Its all been done and little else remains to say... but, thank you for the support friends.
There are networks of telescope users most of which are club or society members and most have a good knowledge of what it is we are seeing.
None. Not a single one will come and support your view. Nothing is being hidden from you. There is no Nibiru or Hercolobus. I am now going to spend the next viewing night looking for some sign of some thing that I have no knowledge of. I will share this activity with thousands... YES, thousands of other amature astronomers. If any one of us finds any object that could effect the stable environment we live on in any way. WE WILL PUBLISH such news here first... You will know this has happened when we are all murdered by those government officials you and your ilk worry about. Just keep an eye out for the news of hundreds if not thousands of murdered astronomers... you will know and be in some danger... mark.

Jason Thompson
2009-Sep-21, 03:01 PM
...if its all nonsence then why are the star maps on google sky and world wide telescope altered? What are they hiding?

You do know that you can go out and look at the sky yourself, right? Even if you don't own a telescope there's bound to be a local society that will have a few. Millions of people go out and look at the sky themselves every night. How do you propose any government or organisation can hide something in the sky?

danscope
2009-Sep-21, 05:22 PM
Hi, Let me add to that. This so called Nibiru is supposed to be moving , and with the notions of these nibiru people, is moving at some fantastic speed, so as to show up as a really big streak across the heavens. Don't you think it would be on someone's photographic plate....somewhere??? That is how we detect moving objects in the heavens,....you see. It would stand out like
king kong at a cocktail party. Really.
Just something to think about.
Best regards,
Dan

Hungry4info
2009-Sep-21, 05:32 PM
Hi, Let me add to that. This so called Nibiru is supposed to be moving , and with the notions of these nibiru people, is moving at some fantastic speed, so as to show up as a really big streak across the heavens. Don't you think it would be on someone's photographic plate....somewhere???

Not only would such an object stand out on photographic plates, but it would stand out to the human eye.

Weren't we promised this for 2009?

Hungry4info
2009-Sep-21, 05:33 PM
How do you propose any government or organisation can hide something in the sky?

Gigantic black sheets in a geosynchronous orbit. :lol:

Selenite
2009-Sep-22, 02:33 AM
How do you propose any government or organisation can hide something in the sky?

Get everybody hopelessly hooked on the internet. Then all the 'men in black' have to do is merely alter a Google Star Map to make a celestial body disappear apparently. :rolleyes:

Neverfly
2009-Sep-22, 02:37 AM
Get everybody hopelessly hooked on the internet. Then all the 'men in black' have to do is merely alter a Google Star Map to make a celestial body disappear apparently. :rolleyes:

Having examined the evidence...

I'm compelled to believe that this statement is true.

astromark
2009-Sep-22, 03:46 AM
Poor Neverfly has succumbed. Never fear Neverfly, we shall save you.
Turn of your computer... There you are, fixed.

Please do not be attaching other meanings to the word fixed... my cat is staring at me...

This Nubaroo ( the Australian version ).. Is a large marsupial planet... it sort of jumps about like a kangaroo. That blacked out area you often see in Googles star maps are not the sun or moon being screened out, nooo... thems is the dodo piles that are offensive to see. In an effort to keep the internety thing clean we shall be diligent and continue to shield you from Nubaroo Do do's... OK ?
The worry is that some poor kid might believe me... So please do not.
We really should take this a little more seriously... next those poor sods will be looking for some designer of the universe... OH please, some one shoot me.

All that joking aside. It does worry me that this subject matter of this stellar object Nibiru is still being taken seriously by some. let me make it perfectly clear...IT IS NOT.
NIBIRU = Not real.
NIBIRU = Fiction.
NIBIRU = No such object exists.
Many of the good contributers to these pages have tried to tell you gently,
Just a scroll back soon shows a great deal of caring astronomy like minded people have attempted to say what has been said and repeated so often.
On the INTERNET almost nothing is real.
On U-Tube nothing is...
Learn the difference between entertainment and education.

caramba
2010-Apr-08, 08:35 AM
yea its almost here, mid August or thereabouts it will pass by

tusenfem
2010-Apr-08, 05:24 PM
yea its almost here, mid August or thereabouts it will pass by


caramba, I already told you in another thread, the idea that a "brown dwarf" is entering our solar system is totally against the mainstream. There is no such thing, it has not been observed, though it should be bright as day if you would be correct.

If you wish to persue this nonsense, you will do it in ATM. A friendly reminder infraction to you.

rodin
2010-Apr-09, 05:33 PM
Remember that the VAST majority of people:

Have NEVER looked through a telescope.
Have never looked at an astronomy magazine.
Took only one general science course in Junior or High School.
The only space they see is Star Wars or Trek or the really bad sci-fi movies.
And have been taught that anything they read in print is true.

:doh:

lol

so true

NeptuneRise
2010-Apr-10, 05:09 PM
Guys, didn't you know? Niburu was destroyed 7 years ago.

So relax all, no doomsday scenarios are going to happen, yet.

mmaayeh
2010-Apr-12, 04:25 PM
Actually, some pan-dimensional mice told me that the Vogon fleet were in our Solar System 7 years ago and had taken care of it because they wanted to make way for a space highway. :lol: Can you imagine if they chose Earth instead? :surprised:lol:

NeptuneRise
2010-Apr-13, 12:28 AM
Actually, some pan-dimensional mice told me that the Vogon fleet were in our Solar System 7 years ago and had taken care of it because they wanted to make way for a space highway. :lol: Can you imagine if they chose Earth instead? :surprised:lol:

That would have been devastating. I guess we are lucky after all.

Swift
2010-Apr-13, 01:34 AM
OK, enough jokes folks. Q&A is supposed to be serious, leave it for Fun-n-Games, or I'll close the thread.

Thanks,

NeptuneRise
2010-Apr-13, 01:48 AM
OK, enough jokes folks. Q&A is supposed to be serious, leave it for Fun-n-Games, or I'll close the thread.

Thanks,

I was actually serious about the destruction of Niburu. But ok?

mugaliens
2010-Apr-13, 03:28 AM
Hi, members. Hearing a lot lately about Nibiru and how its going to cross the Earth's orbit and cause its end in the year 2012. How far is it true? And if its really there, cant we see it? or prevent it?

Ok, the serious answer to the OP's questions: About as far as you can throw a mountain, and questions 2 and 3 are rendered moot by the fact that Nibiru's existence was fabricated, not discovered:


The idea was first proposed in 1995 by Nancy Lieder, founder of the website ZetaTalk. Lieder describes herself as a contactee with the ability to receive messages from extra-terrestrials from the Zeta Reticuli star system through an implant in her brain. She states that she was chosen to warn mankind that the object would sweep through the inner Solar System in May 2003, later revised to around 2010, causing Earth to undergo a pole shift that would destroy most of humanity. The predicted collision has subsequently spread beyond Lieder's website and has been embraced by numerous internet doomsday groups, most of which link the event to the 2012 phenomenon. Although the name "Nibiru" is derived from the works of ancient astronaut writer Zecharia Sitchin and his interpretations of Babylonian and Sumerian mythology, Sitchin himself denies any connection between his work and claims of a coming apocalypse.

The idea that a planet-sized object could possibly collide with Earth in the near future is not supported by any scientific evidence and has been roundly rejected as pseudoscience by astronomers and planetary scientists.
- Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_collision)

She originally claimed it was going to happen on May 27, 2003.

It didn't.


After the 2003 date passed without incident, Lieder said that it was merely a "White Lie ... to fool the establishment,"[6] and said that to disclose the true date would give those in power enough time to declare martial law and trap people in cities during the shift, leading to their deaths. - Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_collision#Origins)

She's now claiming "some time" in 2010, but I don't think the Q&A section is the place to throw out exact dates for a ficticious account. By Jan 1, 2011, however, we'll be reassured for the second time that this hoax is simply a hoax. If you're a "third times a charm" sort of person, then that'll happen on Jan 1, 2013.

So, that just about covers that...

Swift
2010-Apr-13, 12:51 PM
I was actually serious about the destruction of Niburu. But ok?
I did not realize that (mmaayeh's post was a joke). If you are serious about this, that Niburu existed but was destroyed, you still should not discuss it in this thread. This idea is from much Against The Mainstream (ATM) and if you want to discuss it further you would need to start a thread in the ATM forum (which has its own special rules). If you have any questions about this, please ask any moderator.

NeptuneRise
2010-Apr-13, 01:30 PM
I did not realize that (mmaayeh's post was a joke). If you are serious about this, that Niburu existed but was destroyed, you still should not discuss it in this thread. This idea is from much Against The Mainstream (ATM) and if you want to discuss it further you would need to start a thread in the ATM forum (which has its own special rules). If you have any questions about this, please ask any moderator.

So ..... what exactly is the point of this thread then? What exactly am I supposed to be discussing here?

Strange
2010-Apr-13, 03:21 PM
So ..... what exactly is the point of this thread then? What exactly am I supposed to be discussing here?

The purpose of the thread is to provide factual answers to the original question. See, for example, post #2.

NeptuneRise
2010-Apr-13, 07:32 PM
The purpose of the thread is to provide factual answers to the original question. See, for example, post #2.

And how does what I said differ what's in post #2?

It was destroyed in 2003 before it reached the Kuiper Belt. There are red rock debris flying around there, which will be easily noticeable once a probe passes by that space and records images.

I guess we will have to wait for evidence, huh?

Van Rijn
2010-Apr-13, 07:50 PM
And how does what I said differ what's in post #2?


There is no evidence for the claims for Nibiru (whether a large planet in a 3600 year orbit around the sun, or the version supposed to come into the inner solar system either in 2003 or 2012).



It was destroyed in 2003 before it reached the Kuiper Belt.


What was destroyed in 2003?



There are red rock debris flying around there, which will be easily noticeable once a probe passes by that space and records images.

I guess we will have to wait for evidence, huh?

Well, yes. This is a science board. You shouldn't be making claims without any evidence to support them.

Strange
2010-Apr-13, 07:51 PM
And how does what I said differ what's in post #2?

I guess what post #2 left out that it doesn't exist now, never did exist and is all just fantasy.


It was destroyed in 2003 before it reached the Kuiper Belt. There are red rock debris flying around there, which will be easily noticeable once a probe passes by that space and records images.

And the evidence for this is?


I guess we will have to wait for evidence, huh?

Oh, that's right. There isn't any.

And the fact that there is no evidence for your stories is precisely the reason they do not belong in the Q&A section.

NeptuneRise
2010-Apr-13, 08:15 PM
I guess what post #2 left out that it doesn't exist now, never did exist and is all just fantasy.

For those who want to believe otherwise - yes.


And the evidence for this is?

In the Kuiper Belt.


Oh, that's right. There isn't any.

Yes there is, you will have to be a patient boy :) and wait for the next probe.


And the fact that there is no evidence for your stories is precisely the reason they do not belong in the Q&A section.

Well, should I change my opinion so it blends with the rest of the forum?

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. At least not in forums. Differing opinions is what makes creative discussion.


There is no evidence for the claims for Nibiru (whether a large planet in a 3600 year orbit around the sun, or the version supposed to come into the inner solar system either in 2003 or 2012).

No evidence - YET.

And forget the 3600 year orbit, that's Sitchin factology.


What was destroyed in 2003?

Niburu.


Well, yes. This is a science board. You shouldn't be making claims without any evidence to support them.

Then, the million dollar question is: What the hell is a topic like "Niburu" doing opened up here?

PS: Next time I'll leave a note to the KBA, before they destroy something to let send us a little souvenir to use as proof.

Strange
2010-Apr-13, 08:24 PM
For those who want to believe otherwise - yes.

You can believe what you want. It doesn't make it true.


In the Kuiper Belt.

There is a difference between evidence and your assertions that something exists (where it can't be seen).


No evidence - YET.

Which means: no evidence.


Then, the million dollar question is: What the hell is a topic like "Niburu" doing opened up here?

The Q&A section is a place for people get facts (rather than wild unsupported assertions).


PS: Next time I'll leave a note to the KBA, before they destroy something to let send us a little souvenir to use as proof.

"KBA" ? Are you suggesting it was destroyed by a small Canadian airline? :)

NeptuneRise
2010-Apr-13, 08:37 PM
You can believe what you want. It doesn't make it true.

Well, you can believe that Niburu never existed too! lol It doesn't make it true either!


There is a difference between evidence and your assertions that something exists (where it can't be seen).

Can't be seen? Well, let's boycott the Space Program, what do we need it for if we can't travel beyond the Kuiper Belt?

Or can we?

Admit it, it's just your impatience talking, not logic. Logic dictates that My claims would either be proven false or true, by the time a trip to the Kuiper Belt is organized.

The fact that neither of us will be alive when that happens, makes you doubt my information, and dismiss my claims as story, out of emotional need for evidence of wild claims lol.


Which means: no evidence.

- For now, whoknows about tomorrow?

- I don't :D


The Q&A section is a place for people get facts (rather than wild unsupported assertions).

Facts are fluid, they change shape each new discovery. There was a time when facts stated we won't reach the Moon, not in thousand years - yet by the end of that decade there was a man on the Moon.

Facts lack solid form friend.

So I state mine, til I'm proven otherwise :P


"KBA" ? Are you suggesting it was destroyed by a small Canadian airline? :)

Nuuuuuu!

KBA - Kuiper Belt Aliens :D

PetersCreek
2010-Apr-13, 08:41 PM
Yes there is, you will have to be a patient boy :) and wait for the next probe.
Have a care with how you address people here. Our rules call for civility. Calling somone "boy" doesn't really qualify as being civil.


Well, should I change my opinion so it blends with the rest of the forum?

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. At least not in forums. Differing opinions is what makes creative discussion.
You should acquaint yourself with how it works in this forum by reading our rules, linked in my signature line below. There are places on this board where opinions will suffice for a discussion. There are other places where opinion alone will not be enough. Facts and evidence are required.

It wouldn't hurt if your opinion was soundly based on fact and evidence.


Then, the million dollar question is: What the hell is a topic like "Niburu" doing opened up here?
It's open to give mainstream answers to the OP's question. It's not open for you to advance against-the-mainstream assertions. If you wish to advocate such an argument, you may do so in this board's Against The Mainstream forum, where you'll be expected to pay particular heed to rule 13.

NeptuneRise
2010-Apr-13, 09:12 PM
Have a care with how you address people here. Our rules call for civility. Calling somone "boy" doesn't really qualify as being civil.

I didn't mean no disrespect with that, I apologize if the person finds it disrespectful.


You should acquaint yourself with how it works in this forum by reading our rules, linked in my signature line below. There are places on this board where opinions will suffice for a discussion. There are other places where opinion alone will not be enough. Facts and evidence are required.

It wouldn't hurt if your opinion was soundly based on fact and evidence.


It's open to give mainstream answers to the OP's question. It's not open for you to advance against-the-mainstream assertions. If you wish to advocate such an argument, you may do so in this board's Against The Mainstream forum, where you'll be expected to pay particular heed to rule 13.

erm ... ok?

Ken G
2010-Apr-13, 09:13 PM
Well, should I change my opinion so it blends with the rest of the forum?

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. At least not in forums. Differing opinions is what makes creative discussion.A scientific forum is not just a place for sharing opinions. We are only interested in opinions that are based on scientific evidence of some kind. Are there "opinion forums" where you can post? Even on sports blogs, people are expected to do something other than just post opinions like "my son, who is now 5, will be the best baseball player ever. If you doubt that, you'll just have to wait 15 years to see."



Then, the million dollar question is: What the hell is a topic like "Niburu" doing opened up here?

Presumably because the original poster had been listening to "opinion forums", and wanted to know what an actual scientific forum felt on the topic.

NeptuneRise
2010-Apr-13, 09:15 PM
fine, Fine, FINE!

I'm done with this topic, no more rules and regulations please?

astromark
2010-Apr-13, 09:21 PM
I am not The authority figure.. Mine is as best as I can be., Just a attempt to find the scientific way forward. To look and listen and gain a understanding of things. Not always correctly and, Not from a emotive stance. Not from a fundamentalist religious view. Not from a view of what might or could be. Not from a view of fictions unsupported.

I try to find what I see as the truth. based entirely on a science based mainstream view.

Its not always as clearly defined as I would like. This subject has some truths worthy of mention...
This solar system has a considerable field of debris. Some of it has been well studied and we are gaining the ability to find and track many previously unseen objects. Poor old Pluto may it seem be only one of many such minor planetary objects out there in what I call the Ort cloud.

That looking at star field views from such as the 'Google sky' program is fraught with error. Some of those images are compilations of complex star imaging. If the moon happens to encroach a image.. its blacked out. The image and area of sky being imaged might be years old and the next image in a run might be newer... You would soon become very confused if multiple images of the moon were to pop into your maps. Images.

This nonsense spoken of is just simply unscientific dribble... To further endorse this line of thought.. just recently and spoken of here in these forums was the small object passing close to earth.. It passed closer to us than the moon.. It was only 70 meters across. We had found it. tracked it and calculated it as a nil risk object.
That any small encounter can and does altar the already unstable movement of objects so far from the central mass of this solar system that it takes very little disturbance to send an object towards the inner planets. We have not found a 'Nibiru' We have NO knowledge of such as yet.
If such were to be found. You would know. We will tell. I would claim it's name... 'Mark 2010' it might be... :)

Strange
2010-Apr-13, 09:28 PM
Well, you can believe that Niburu never existed too! lol It doesn't make it true either!

So you support your assertion that Niburu existed based on claims that evidence exists (that we can't [yet] see). I'm sorry, but if there is no (visible) evidence for something, I'm going to assume it doesn't exist. I'm not going to be persuaded by claims that evidence will be found one day. Without some evidence to support those claims ...


Admit it, it's just your impatience talking, not logic. Logic dictates that My claims would either be proven false or true, by the time a trip to the Kuiper Belt is organized.

No. You are the one assuming your claims will be supported by evidence.


The fact that neither of us will be alive when that happens, makes you doubt my information, and dismiss my claims as story, out of emotional need for evidence of wild claims lol.

No, it is the fact you have no evidence. Just assertions. Why on earth should I believe that?


Facts are fluid, they change shape each new discovery. There was a time when facts stated we won't reach the Moon, not in thousand years - yet by the end of that decade there was a man on the Moon.

I don't think "facts" change. Our knowledge changes and our interpretation of what we know changes, as we get more information and a better understanding. But that doesn't mean that any idea is just as good as any other. The scientific method provides the best (most reliable) way of advancing knowledge. It doesn't rely on random speculation and assertions; it relies on evidence, math and some rules of logic (such as Occam's razor, which you probably need to read up on).

Strange
2010-Apr-13, 09:30 PM
fine, Fine, FINE!

I'm done with this topic, no more rules and regulations please?

Yeah, those pesky rules. How dare they tell us which side of the road to drive on.

trinitree88
2010-Apr-13, 10:05 PM
Yeah, those pesky rules. How dare they tell us which side of the road to drive on.

Strange. (With tongue in cheek)...perhaps Nibiru is a new class of object. It is very far away, and was painted with a layer of dark matter paint. Since dark matter does not interact with either the strong, weak or electromagnetic forces, it is fully cloaked in the visible spectrum, rendering it impossible to see even when it must be there. Not only that, but it could be riding the crest of a new expansion of inflationary spacetime at superluminal velocity, so despite it's invisibility, and enormous distance out....it'll be here in very short order. Some of the very best minds in mainstream astrophysics can assure us that dark matter, inflationary spacetime, and superluminal velocities are all good ideas, and solid physics. pete

Strange
2010-Apr-13, 10:39 PM
Strange. (With tongue in cheek)...perhaps Nibiru is a new class of object. It is very far away, and was painted with a layer of dark matter paint.

By invisible pink unicorns, presumably.

antoniseb
2010-Apr-13, 11:38 PM
fine, Fine, FINE!

I'm done with this topic, no more rules and regulations please?

I know this discussion didn't go the way you expected. Let me be the first to point out that everyone here knows you're getting used to the rules here, and no one will hold any grudge about the above. Stick around. I'm sure you'll fit in fairly comfortably.

Gillianren
2010-Apr-14, 12:00 AM
Even if it were as far away as the Kuiper Belt, wouldn't the gravity of something as large as Nibiru has been said to be have proven detectable from Earth?

Van Rijn
2010-Apr-14, 12:52 AM
Even if it were as far away as the Kuiper Belt, wouldn't the gravity of something as large as Nibiru has been said to be have proven detectable from Earth?

Something as big as Nibiru would be hard to miss optically at the distance of the Kuiper belt.

Keep in mind that there have already been over a thousand objects detected at around that distance, and none of those objects would be anywhere near the size of the claimed Nibiru. In fact, many are relatively tiny (a hundred km or so in diameter). It's actually because of all those discoveries that we know there is a Kuiper belt.

It helps a bit if it is like Eris, and far off the ecliptic plane, but Eris too is small compared to the claims for Nibiru.

EDG
2010-Apr-14, 01:10 AM
I'm kinda surprised that nobody's claimed that this object (http://www.solstation.com/stars/u722-05.htm) is Nibiru yet... ;)

(or have they?!)

Ken G
2010-Apr-14, 01:15 AM
I'm kinda surprised that nobody's claimed that this object (http://www.solstation.com/stars/u722-05.htm) is Nibiru yet... ;)

(or have they?!)
Just in case they do, note that at 9 light years it could not be gravitationally bound to the Sun. Even if it were so bound, its orbital period would be over 100 million years. That's a bit of a stretch, even for those clever Mayans.

EDG
2010-Apr-14, 01:35 AM
I'm sure there's a perfectly valid ATM way for an object to travel 9.5 lightyears in two years ;).

Ken G
2010-Apr-14, 01:40 AM
I hadn't thought of that-- Nibiru has warp drive!

mugaliens
2010-Apr-14, 02:19 AM
By invisible pink unicorns, presumably.

Precisely, as this would be commensurate with the generally farcical notions of Nibiru, Kuiper belt aliens, Zeta Reticulians implating a device in Nancy Lieder's head, and the dark lord er "planet's" arrival in 2003, August 2010, or 2012.

violentquaker
2010-Apr-14, 03:46 AM
...Logic dictates that My claims would either be proven false or true, by the time a trip to the Kuiper Belt is organized.

The fact that neither of us will be alive when that happens, makes you doubt my information...

I hope to be alive when New Horizons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Horizons) completes its Kuiper Belt mission; it is chronologically about half way there.

Peter B
2010-Apr-14, 04:20 AM
Guys, didn't you know? Niburu was destroyed 7 years ago.



{...and the evidence for this is...} In the Kuiper Belt.

How do you know this? Or are you simply saying this to promote discussion?

Jens
2010-Apr-14, 05:00 AM
In all fairness, NeptuneRise stated that he/she will bow out of this discussion, so it seems inappropriate to keep asking for clarifications.

EDG
2010-Apr-14, 05:24 AM
Though it is kinda funny to ask about how someone knows that an entirely fictional object has been destroyed ;)

Jens
2010-Apr-14, 06:17 AM
I agree. But the person was already warned by a moderator not to make ATM arguments and agreed, and was commended by another moderator for doing so. So it doesn't seem fair to prod. If the person decides to take it up in ATM, then let's talk about it then.

Swift
2010-Apr-14, 01:18 PM
I'm closing this thread.

If someone new comes along with questions about Nibiru, they can start their own thread.

If NeptuneRise wants to discuss their ideas, they can start a new thread in an appropriate forum (like ATM).

If you have convincing reasons to reopen this thread, report my post.