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Graham2001
2009-Jun-22, 02:15 AM
While some people were no doubt hoping that the HBs would wait until the photo's came in before making hoax claims about the LRO mission, it would appear that they have already started.

It seems that someone thinks that the mission is in fact a deliberate attack on the hidden lunar civilizations that NASA has been suppressing since Apollo days.

See: http://www.examiner.com/x-2912-Seattle-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m6d19-NASA-moon-bombing-violates-space-law--may-cause-conflict-with-lunar-extraterrestrial-civilizations (http://www.examiner.com/x-2912-Seattle-Exopolitics-Examiner%7Ey2009m6d19-NASA-moon-bombing-violates-space-law--may-cause-conflict-with-lunar-extraterrestrial-civilizations)

And I thought the Astrologer who tried to stop Deep Impact was bad, this takes the cake.

Rhaedas
2009-Jun-22, 02:51 AM
How big and how fast does something have to be to qualify as a kinetic weapon? Did we break a few laws and upset some aliens when Shoemaker landed, probably pretty hard, on Eros?

Many countries have already broken the law then with every crash landing.

Legal issues aside, if there was an alien establishment on the moon, and they felt threatened, no doubt they could stop LCROSS before it got there.

LaurelHS
2009-Jun-22, 03:02 AM
And this article used the same stupid "Apollo 11 UFO transcripts" that were debunked (http://www.debunker.com/texts/apollo11.html) years ago. :rolleyes:

Van Rijn
2009-Jun-22, 03:37 AM
It seems that someone thinks that the mission is in fact a deliberate attack on the hidden lunar civilizations that NASA has been suppressing since Apollo days.

See: http://www.examiner.com/x-2912-Seattle-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m6d19-NASA-moon-bombing-violates-space-law--may-cause-conflict-with-lunar-extraterrestrial-civilizations (http://www.examiner.com/x-2912-Seattle-Exopolitics-Examiner%7Ey2009m6d19-NASA-moon-bombing-violates-space-law--may-cause-conflict-with-lunar-extraterrestrial-civilizations)


Wow, he starts getting things wrong in the first sentence. Quoting:


The planned October 9, 2009 bombing of the moon by a NASA orbiter that will bomb the moon with a 2-ton kinetic weapon to create a 5 mile wide deep crater [snip]

What, does he think this thing is supposed to be impacting at relativistic velocity? Five miles? It won't even be close to that. From:

http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/CraterSizesText.htm


Scientists estimate that the crater that will be created by LCROSS’s impactor will be about 20 to 25 meters in diameter, or about 1/3 the size of a football field.

worldcruiser
2009-Jun-22, 08:19 AM
It's only a gently reminder because the aliens didn't pay their income taxes and neither their property taxes.
If they don't pay really soon, we shall use our phasers and photon torpedoes!

Graham2001
2009-Jun-22, 08:49 AM
And this article used the same stupid "Apollo 11 UFO transcripts" that were debunked (http://www.debunker.com/texts/apollo11.html) years ago. :rolleyes:

That does not surprise me. I've even seen UFO conspiracy believers using material taken from role playing games (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/dglist/message/8331) as 'evidence' of government shenanigans.

H4wkeye
2009-Jun-22, 11:13 AM
Haha i was just waiting when would some people come up with a hoax about LRO too.Its quite amusing i must say.Plus if there was aliens on the Moon,i think we would've known by now.

Gawdzilla
2009-Jun-22, 11:14 AM
They're already practicing their rationalizations over at ATS.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread474613/pg1

Graham2001
2009-Jun-22, 01:18 PM
They're already practicing their rationalizations over at ATS.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread474613/pg1

I like the one that says the only way the 'truth' will come out is when someone sends a private mission to the Moon.

Come to think of it someone is... (http://www.astronautix.com/craft/dsealpha.htm), but I don't think the pictures taken by a hand held digital camera inside a Soyuz flying around the Moon would show any hidden Moon Bases.

BTW, where to the HB's claim these bases are located?

Gawdzilla
2009-Jun-22, 01:41 PM
BTW, where to the HB's claim these bases are located?

Providing a location would make the claim debunkable, so that's never provided. They MIGHT give a general area, but nothing specific.

R.A.F.
2009-Jun-22, 05:41 PM
They're already practicing their rationalizations over at ATS.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread474613/pg1

Yep...the same "mis-information" is being spread on the Unexplained Mysteries forum (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=156651)

Gawdzilla
2009-Jun-22, 06:02 PM
Yep...the same "mis-information" is being spread on the Unexplained Mysteries forum (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=156651)

I wonder how long it will take me to get banned from that one. :whistle:

NGCHunter
2009-Jun-23, 06:08 PM
Yep...the same "mis-information" is being spread on the Unexplained Mysteries forum (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=156651)
Wow, my woometer's needle pegged out at a high fraction of c when I clicked that. Life on the moon? I thought the "secret coverups about alien bases on the lunar far side" were bad, but this takes the cake. They just lay it out there with no hesitation or support like it's a well-established fact and with every expectation that NASA should abide by their "facts." They're an embarrassment to anyone who seriously holds open the possibility of extra-terrestrial visitation of any kind.

weirdwarp.com
2009-Jul-01, 11:02 AM
well if there is an alien base on the moon I'm surprised that nobody has said that the moon is a giant starship, one of those arks, and we are all here because we came from the moon populating the Earth.

A few facts would be nice first.

slang
2009-Jul-01, 12:39 PM
well if there is an alien base on the moon I'm surprised that nobody has said that the moon is a giant starship, one of those arks, and we are all here because we came from the moon populating the Earth.

Someone has (http://www.webscription.net/pc-291-1-mutineers-moon.aspx). A rather enjoyable book series, free download. I seem to remember that someone has presented it as a real idea too, probably something with a "hollow moon" speculation.


A few facts would be nice first.

Oh.. Factual facts, not SF facts... ok :)

astrophotographer
2009-Jul-01, 01:39 PM
Yeah, I saw this last night. Here is another good one:

http://www.examiner.com/x-2024-Denver-UFO-Examiner~y2009m6d30-US-to-bomb-moon-on-UFO-witness-John-Lennons-birthday

Yeah....NASA is trying to plan it for John Lennon's birthday! ROTFL! This guy is trying to get the local government to fund an ET commission! If that wasn't looney enough.

It was too late for it to make commentary for my latest issue of SUNlite but it definitely will make it into the "Who's blogging UFOs" section next issue.

NEOWatcher
2009-Jul-01, 02:15 PM
...This guy is trying to get the local government to fund an ET commission! If that wasn't looney enough....
I was ready to chalk that up to the source of the (cough) news from the Examiner. But; It appears that guy is serious (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4957753&page=1) or at least using this phenomenon as a way to get news headlines.

weirdwarp.com
2009-Jul-01, 04:56 PM
Thanks Slang looks like a good book.

It doesn't matter if the facts are real or SF as long as we know which they are.

Gharlane
2009-Jul-01, 05:45 PM
well if there is an alien base on the moon I'm surprised that nobody has said that the moon is a giant starship, one of those arks, and we are all here because we came from the moon populating the Earth.

A few facts would be nice first.

I remember reading this when I was much younger.:doh:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_19.htm

Utter piffle of course.

Extracelestial
2009-Jul-01, 08:12 PM
How big and how fast does something have to be to qualify as a kinetic weapon? ....

Hi Rhaedas,

that's easy to answer. A 5 mile crater caused by a probe of 2 tons at 5600 MPH?
I assumed this slice of moon cheese to be 1 metre thick lifted by the impact into the air ... err, sorry vacuum. This will have a yield that may stirr the upper 1,5 inches of lunar rgeolith as 1,5 inches is the distance it will raise. Not a very impressive weapon.
This guy is certainly out of his depth

Extracelestial

weirdwarp.com
2009-Jul-02, 07:38 AM
It must be hard to estimate the size of the crater as the makeup of the Moon further down is unknown as that is why they are crashing LCROSS into it in the first place I presume.

That looks like a great laugh Gharlane thanks. Looks like there are a lot more books out there than I thought. (even if they are "piffle")

Dave J
2009-Jul-02, 02:47 PM
Back in the days of Apollo, we were "bombing" the Moon with a whole lot of bigger stuff...probes, LM ascent stages, empty SIVBs...I can't say I've ever seen photographic evidence of any of those impacts (another side mission for LRO?).

Just looking at it's face, I'd think that the Moon has had much bigger problems than us humans dropping a few things on it.

tofu
2009-Jul-02, 02:48 PM
I just saw this post (http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1289033&cid=28550195) on slashdot and thought it was pretty funny and some people here would appreciate it. The poster is satirizing HBs:


One way or the other, we will finally have proof.

Either the photos will come back showing no hardware on the moon and we'll finally have proof it never happened, or they will release photos showing landing hardware on the moon and we'll finally have proof of an on going NASA conspiracy to manufacture a moon landing fraud.

Yes, one way or the other we will finally have proof.

sts60
2009-Jul-02, 03:02 PM
Supposedly, the first imaging will happen tomorrow (3 July). I don't expect much at first. LRO isn't in its final orbit, and there's a lot of calibration to do.

I've worked on high-resolution imaging systems (commercial, Earth-observing). Our first images were released (for internal consumption only) about a month after launch, and looked pretty crappy. The first public images, which looked very nice, came out months later.

R.A.F.
2009-Jul-02, 03:32 PM
Back in the days of Apollo, we were "bombing" the Moon with a whole lot of bigger stuff...probes, LM ascent stages, empty SIVBs...I can't say I've ever seen photographic evidence of any of those impacts...

Actually, there is an old "Moon image book" which happens to be online which has an image of an SIVB crater...I'll see if I can "find" it, and I'll edit this post (with the info) if I can.

edit...OK, the book I was thinking of is Apollo over the Moon: A view from orbit (http://history.nasa.gov/SP-362/contents.htm)

I am almost positive that is where I saw the picture I'm speaking of...but right now I just can't find it...(slow browser)

Either way it is a very interesting book/site.

edit again....found it...the image of the crater caused by the impact of the Apollo 14 SIVB can be found at figures 120 and 121 on the 2nd page of the craters "section" of the afore mentioned book/page.

Graham2001
2009-Jul-08, 02:36 PM
Providing a location would make the claim debunkable, so that's never provided. They MIGHT give a general area, but nothing specific.

Ah well, I can remember vaguely a story from the 1930's/40's in which some journalists fake evidence that there are hostile alien bases on the moon as a means of bringing about world unity. They succeed and the newly united Earth blasts the moon with ray-guns.

It then turns out that there are aliens on the moon and they are hostile...well actually they weren't until people started shooting at them...

captain swoop
2009-Jul-08, 04:33 PM
They weren't Mysterons were they?

thoth II
2009-Jul-08, 04:50 PM
I heard RCH on George Noory's show last night, and he claims that an IR image taken by LCROSS is evidence for lunar domes, evidently where the dark mission has been mining for ice. He thinks that NASA is now letting this data out to the public because with Obama's election, a sea change has come over the dark mission people. His ideas are vague, but something like this.

Gawdzilla
2009-Jul-08, 04:54 PM
Hoagland's at it again.
The Smoking Gun? (http://www.enterprisemission.com/SmokingGun.htm)

Kelfazin
2009-Jul-08, 09:39 PM
Has anybody ever put Hoagland and Sibrel in the same room together? Would that be like putting a humidifier and a dehumidifier together and closing the door?

They're both anti-NASA conspiricists, but one needs the moon landings to be true, and the other needs them to be fake.

thoth II
2009-Jul-08, 09:43 PM
I am hoping CTC will host a debate between RCH and Sibrel, that would be a heck of a slug fest. And they'd probably cancel each other out.

Graham2001
2009-Jul-09, 07:46 AM
They weren't Mysterons were they?

Definitely not, the story predated Captain Scarlet by some decades and from what I can remember all the faking is done through telescopic observations.

Edit:If anyone can remember the title, please let me know.

Dave J
2009-Jul-14, 04:38 PM
Oh boy, I found this site, looked at a couple of the videos...view at your own risk, these folks are seriously misinformed about LCROSS and the Centaur.
http://moonrising-themovie.com/

But, as therapy, I'll also offer this very enjoyable site..
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/

Amazing detail, it will be enjoyable to watch further inages come in.

Graham2001
2009-Jul-14, 05:05 PM
Oh boy, I found this site, looked at a couple of the videos...view at your own risk, these folks are seriously misinformed about LCROSS and the Centaur.
http://moonrising-themovie.com/

But, as therapy, I'll also offer this very enjoyable site..
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/

Amazing detail, it will be enjoyable to watch further images come in.

I'll give the first a look at from a net cafe, as for the second still waiting for them to do what we all want to see, the Apollo landing sites.

Graham2001
2009-Oct-08, 12:19 AM
While I'm pretty sure the people behind this petition on an environmentalist site:

"Stop NASA From Bombing the Moon!"


The excuse given is that this is an effort to find water deep under lunar surface. But it also serves as a live-fire test exercise for US war strategists with an interest in the precision of orbiting satellite weapons... in other words, the southern hemisphere of the Moon will be turned into a firing range, making this mission one giant leap for the global reach of space warfare.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/stop-nasa-from-bombing-the-moon

Are pranksters, I'd be even more worried if it turned out they were not.

See also: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/07/stop_nasa_bombing_the_moon/

01101001
2009-Oct-09, 12:56 AM
Here you go, related: NASA reveals artifact on the Moon:

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/images/content/392420main_svs_lcross_birdseye_lbl_226.jpg (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/images/content/392421main_svs_lcross_birdseye_lbl_HI.jpg)

Smoke stack, obviously. Must be an underground factory there. Wait. Oh, it's an antenna. Look, it was caught in the act of transmitting mind-control rays!

Just jumping the conspiracy gun.

Goddard Visualization Team Previews Lunar Impact (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2009/svs_lcross.html)

Visualizing artifacts on the moon for over 50 years TM

mike alexander
2009-Oct-09, 01:10 AM
This is just a practice shot for lobbing cylinders at Mars later this year when it's as big as the full moon. See my sample chapter

"What I Saw of the Destruction of Syrtis Major"

R.A.F.
2009-Oct-09, 01:11 AM
Smoke stack, obviously.

Smoke stack???...ARRGGGGHHH

Starfury
2009-Oct-09, 01:56 AM
I am hoping CTC will host a debate between RCH and Sibrel, that would be a heck of a slug fest. And they'd probably cancel each other out.

My IQ would drop by at least 50 points if I listened to that. :lol:

mike alexander
2009-Oct-09, 02:01 AM
I am hoping CTC will host a debate between RCH and Sibrel, that would be a heck of a slug fest. And they'd probably cancel each other out.

Something about the phrase 'slug fest' seems so right. If a bit demeaning to slugs.

orphia nay
2009-Oct-09, 08:00 AM
Richard Boylan apparently sent out an email planning a mass psychic event to stop the bombing, so the "star visitors" on the moon will be safe.

http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82160
(Second post down.)

I look forward to the psychic fail. :D

Dave J
2009-Oct-09, 01:11 PM
Apparently LCROSS imacted the Moon yesterday...standing by for Moon disintegration, and the Earth flying out of it's orbit...

Where are the CTs?

Graham2001
2009-Oct-09, 04:37 PM
Apparently LCROSS imacted the Moon yesterday...standing by for Moon disintegration, and the Earth flying out of it's orbit...

Where are the CTs?

Here we go courtesy of The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/09/lcross_nutter_roundup/)

My personal favourite is quoted below.


these are not treehuggers just consurrned citizens. the moon is not our property yet it helps us sustain ourselves. we dont own the moon! Why aren't core tests done before blasting it? blasting the moon could send it out of orbit which would kill us. Water would evaporate before being detected anyway. Either way you have no right to jepardize my kid's fate. the core of the moon could be ice and it would crack and send asteroids to us and throw the earth out of orbit. you do NOT have the right to decide it I will take that chance!

All I can say to that is, it ain't 1999 lady...;)

LaurelHS
2009-Oct-09, 04:47 PM
Why did people think the LCROSS impact would "send the Moon out of orbit"? They must not be aware of the larger objects that have impacted on the Moon without sending it out of orbit, like, say, the Apollo 14 Saturn IVB (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/lroc_20090929_apollo14sivb.html).

R.A.F.
2009-Oct-09, 05:21 PM
Why did people think the LCROSS impact would "send the Moon out of orbit"?

I blame the media. Even highly respected "news talkers" were saying things like "NASA is going to bomb the Moon!"

NGCHunter
2009-Oct-09, 05:51 PM
Why did people think the LCROSS impact would "send the Moon out of orbit"? They must not be aware of the larger objects that have impacted on the Moon without sending it out of orbit, like, say, the Apollo 14 Saturn IVB (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/lroc_20090929_apollo14sivb.html).

I once confronted a CT with that information during a debate about the "negative consequences" of LCROSS. His reply was "how do you know it [S-IVB] didn't do anything bad to the moon?" Invisible lawn gnomes have apparently been doing bad, bad things to the moon for the last 40 years...

xfahctor
2009-Oct-10, 01:02 PM
I spend a lot of time among the conspiricy crowd and even many of them have been looking at the stories floating around on LCROSS and saying "wow, you guys are nuts".
It's pretty bad when your told you're a woo woo.....by a woo woo.

Lorrac
2009-Oct-13, 01:20 PM
Humankind appears to be mirroring Homer Simpson: becoming dumber each season.

Starfury
2009-Oct-21, 01:54 AM
To quote the late great Bill Hicks, "There are some real pockets of Humanity out there."

Joe Boy
2009-Oct-21, 02:18 AM
My IQ would drop by at least 50 points if I listened to that. :lol:

Unlikely, no such thing as a negative IQ rating . . . lol

(couldn't help myself)