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ToSeek
2009-Sep-02, 08:18 PM
Indian satellite confirmed US moon landing: scientist (http://www.physorg.com/news171102159.html)


India's first lunar mission has captured images of the landing site of the Apollo 15 craft, debunking theories that the US mission was a hoax, the country's state-run space agency said Wednesday.

ugordan
2009-Sep-02, 08:25 PM
So... where's the image in question?

Weakly Interacting MP
2009-Sep-02, 08:30 PM
Interesting how the HBer's jumped all over the photo attached to the article, even though the photo had nothing to do with the images from Chandrayaan showing the landing site.

NEOWatcher
2009-Sep-02, 08:32 PM
So... where's the image in question?
Ditto...

Anyway; "debunking theories"? That's wishful thinking especially after reading some of the comments. Especially the one related to ugordan's question.

oh yeah...that solves it, case closed...NOTTTTTT nasa lies about everything,EVERYTHING! I see the pic. but theres nothing there, they aact like just because they type uyp a story and put some picture with it.. then it proves they did it
Apparently the ISRO is an arm of NASA. :lol:

tofu
2009-Sep-02, 08:44 PM
A comment in that story chastises the HBs, saying that they're unintelligent for believing that "all the moon landings" were faked. An HB relies, and apparently he's one that doesn't realize there was more than one landing. He says,

"All the moon landings"? How "educated" and "intelligent" do you think that sounds?

lol. That's like someone being a smarty pants and correcting my spelling when I actually spelled the word correctly in the first place.

mahesh
2009-Sep-02, 08:52 PM
... Apparently the ISRO is an arm of NASA. :lol:

NASA doesn't proof-read ISRO press releases, I would have thought!

Zvezdichko
2009-Sep-02, 09:43 PM
This is cool!

Glom
2009-Sep-02, 10:03 PM
The picture attached the article was cool. I always think the Lunar surface has such a great quality to it. That's what I really love about Full Moon. I wish they'd realise a larger version.

Nowhere Man
2009-Sep-02, 10:27 PM
<crank>So, NASA killed the Chandrayaan mission (probably by zapping it with LAARP HAARP) because their photos were going to prove that Apollo never landed! And now they're forcing the Indians to publish doctored photos, by threatening to ship them to reservations if they don't play along!</crank>

Just trying to beat someone to the punch.

Fred

Buttercup
2009-Sep-03, 01:36 PM
http://www.moondaily.com/reports/Indian_satellite_confirmed_US_moon_landing_scienti st_999.html

Here's to you, hoax dingbats!

djellison
2009-Sep-03, 02:40 PM
Unless I'm missing something here...

ISRO puts out a lengthy press release, saying they can see evidence of Apollo 15 on the ground, see the tracks etc etc....

AND DON'T RELEASE THE ACTUAL IMAGE?

"We've got this awesome image"
"Can we see it?"
"No"


Not even ESA have stooped quite that low in terms of poor outreach.

Zvezdichko
2009-Sep-03, 03:14 PM
Doug is quite right. I'm extremely disappointed by ISRO.

Wait... it's being built by Russians. So the PR may be better.

By the way look what we have:

http://www.isro.org/scripts/contactus.aspx

"For Public Grievance and Complaints"

Time to write a letter.

ugordan
2009-Sep-03, 04:31 PM
Unless I'm missing something here...


Add to that the completely unnecessary "debunking hoax theories" spin and you just about covered it. This may very well be the most pathetic and redundant space-related press release this year.

Zvezdichko
2009-Sep-03, 04:33 PM
Why don't you just write an angry letter to them as I just did?

I doubt any ISRO officials are reading this.

ugordan
2009-Sep-03, 04:36 PM
Why don't you just write an angry letter to them as I just did?

Why should I? It's not as if I have any right to complain seeing as my tax money didn't pay for that mission. The above comment is merely an observation.

Zvezdichko
2009-Sep-03, 04:39 PM
Well, my country was participating so I can use this as an argument - at least when it comes to our instrument's data.

ToSeek
2009-Sep-03, 05:06 PM
Add to that the completely unnecessary "debunking hoax theories" spin and you just about covered it. This may very well be the most pathetic and redundant space-related press release this year.

Yeah, it's almost embarrassing to post the news to a conspiracist thread because you already know they have an unrebuttable comeback.

Drbuzz0
2009-Sep-04, 05:42 PM
I'm surprised I haven't found a thread on this yet in the conspiracy section, but the recently-dead Chandrayaan-1 probe apparently sent back images of the Apollo-15 site shortly before going silent. In terms of resolution, the images don't provide the kind of detail that the LRO images do, but they could be a problem for conspiracy theorists as they are Indian and not provided by a NASA probe.

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/09/indian-moon-probe-takes-clear-photo-of-apollo-15-mission/


Unless I'm mistaken, the photos look like they were taken from the west of the site and are showing a portion of the bend in the Rima Hadley sticking up from the bottom.

ToSeek
2009-Sep-04, 06:55 PM
I'm surprised I haven't found a thread on this yet in the conspiracy section, but the recently-dead Chandrayaan-1 probe apparently sent back images of the Apollo-15 site shortly before going silent. In terms of resolution, the images don't provide the kind of detail that the LRO images do, but they could be a problem for conspiracy theorists as they are Indian and not provided by a NASA probe.

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/09/indian-moon-probe-takes-clear-photo-of-apollo-15-mission/


Unless I'm mistaken, the photos look like they were taken from the west of the site and are showing a portion of the bend in the Rima Hadley sticking up from the bottom.

This post was moved in from the CT section - it links to what are supposed to be the actual photos, though I'd be happier if they were on a news site rather than someone's blog.

ravens_cry
2009-Sep-04, 07:07 PM
I'm surprised I haven't found a thread on this yet in the conspiracy section, but the recently-dead Chandrayaan-1 probe apparently sent back images of the Apollo-15 site shortly before going silent. In terms of resolution, the images don't provide the kind of detail that the LRO images do, but they could be a problem for conspiracy theorists as they are Indian and not provided by a NASA probe.

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/09/indian-moon-probe-takes-clear-photo-of-apollo-15-mission/


Unless I'm mistaken, the photos look like they were taken from the west of the site and are showing a portion of the bend in the Rima Hadley sticking up from the bottom.
It IS nice to have yet another third part confirmation, but. . .I can't see a boat builders blue buttoned bottom in those pictures, let alone the trail left by Apollo 15.

ToSeek
2009-Sep-04, 07:12 PM
I'd also be happier if the line the guy draws actually matched any of the EVAs:

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15eva2trv.jpg

Drbuzz0
2009-Sep-05, 05:23 AM
I'd also be happier if the line the guy draws actually matched any of the EVAs:

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15eva2trv.jpg

Yeah. Unfortunately the site I found it on, Gizmodo, had photos which appeared to show tracks, but it looked suspicious. I took a closer look at those images and those don't correspond to the actual location of the EVA's.

Also, the scale doesn't seem right, unless the lunar rover was a monster truck.

Taking a second look at some of the NASA images from the mission itself and the topo maps, it looks to me like they have mistaken a ridge of craters for the tracks. Those are not the lunar rover tracks at all.

The image is just too low resolution to actually see the real rover tracks. I don't know if there is a better, higher resolution image, but that's all i've found thus far

Drbuzz0
2009-Sep-05, 05:38 AM
to see the real location where the EVAs took place I tried to skew the nasa map to the same angle as the image and overlay the features so I could trace out the actual route. This is what I came up with, based on the NASA maps. Note that it is approximate - it is probably off by a small amount, but it gives a rough idea:

http://depletedcranium.com/Apollo15overlay.jpg

djellison
2009-Sep-05, 01:08 PM
ISRO still have not put out the best resolution of that image. And fwiw - that's a rendered view of a generated DEM, rather than one single image.

Zvezdichko
2009-Sep-10, 03:55 PM
Thanks to Phil Stooke - we now have the image, compared to JAXA's earlier photo

http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?showtopic=2686&pid=145977&st=420&#entry145977