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Silas
2002-Apr-05, 08:52 PM
I apologize if this has been mentioned before -- I skimmed earlier posts and didn't see it --

The quote from Julius Caesar is "...not in our stars..." not "...not in the stars..."

(Astrology, pfui. Creationism, bleah. But mess with Shakespeare, and -- "O, preposterous and frantic outrage, end thy damned spleen!" -- a million liberal arts students will roil riotous and unceasing bray!)

Silas

GrapesOfWrath
2002-Apr-07, 05:52 AM
I dunno, my first folio edition (http://perseus.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.03.0018&query=head%3D%2331) has it: "The fault (deere Brutus) is not in our Starres,"

I think it is interesting that a modern text (http://classics.mit.edu/Shakespeare/julius_caesar/full.html) has "Set honour in one eye and death i' the other" whereas the first folio has "Set Honor in one eye and Death i' th other"

Do you think Shakespeare's plays actually might have been written by an American?

Silas
2002-Apr-07, 07:32 PM
Do you think Shakespeare's plays actually might have been written by an American?


Nah...

Hamlet would have pulled out his pistol and shot Laertes...

Macbeth would have called 9-1-1 on his Lady, then pleaded for mercy because she is obviously mentally unfit for trial...

And Henry V would have gotten all tangled up in his overseas land war, and would eventually had to de-escalate and withdraw, leaving his allies in the low countries to fend for themselves in a process known as "Walloonization."

(Anyone familiar with The Firesign Theater's version of "Shakespeare's Lost Comedie?")

Silas

The Bad Astronomer
2002-Apr-07, 07:56 PM
For the record, I pulled the quotation(s) off of a website which had complete Shakespeare works. Unfortunately my bookmarks got wiped a couple of months ago so I don't have the link anymore.

ljbrs
2002-Apr-07, 10:06 PM
Folks:

It is wonderful that some astronomy lovers are conversant about more than the particular sky which is available on a particular night. Astronomy should easily appeal to people with a wide range of tastes, including Shakespeare. Then again, there is a question in some quarters as to whether Shakespeare actually did write Shakespeare. One of the suggested writers was the Earl of Oxford. Dare we drop Shakespeare's name in vain?

BadAstronomer:

What can any of us do if we cannot trust sources on the web for accuracy about lines from Shakespearean plays? Now I know that I had better not quote from Shakespeare around here!

ljbrs

Silas
2002-Apr-07, 11:36 PM
On 2002-04-07 18:06, ljbrs wrote:
Folks:

It is wonderful that some astronomy lovers are conversant about more than the particular sky which is available on a particular night. Astronomy should easily appeal to people with a wide range of tastes, including Shakespeare.


A well-rounded education is still a thing to be valued. Heinlein once said that "specialization is for insects." He was wrong, of course, but, in my opinion, the proper histogram for knowledge is the "bird" or "middle finger" distribution: a central spike of expertise, supported by a broad degree of knowlege in most other subjects.




Then again, there is a question in some quarters as to whether Shakespeare actually did write Shakespeare. One of the suggested writers was the Earl of Oxford. Dare we drop Shakespeare's name in vain?


I have the honor and shame to be an Oxfordian...



What can any of us do if we cannot trust sources on the web for accuracy about lines from Shakespearean plays? Now I know that I had better not quote from Shakespeare around here!


Science fiction writer Vernor Vinge parodied the internet and WWW as "The net of a million lies." He's right. If I were to pluck a quote, I would make very sure to test its provenance.

The Folger Library? Good.

http://www.racism.org/shakespeare/othello/proof -- perhaps not... (Grin!)

Silas

SeanF
2002-Apr-08, 11:20 AM
On 2002-04-07 00:52, GrapesOfWrath wrote:

Do you think Shakespeare's plays actually might have been written by an American?



Nah, everybody knows Shakespeare was actually a Klingon! Haven't you seen the recently published "original" Klingon version of Hamlet in your local bookstore?

taH pagh taH'be!

GrapesOfWrath
2002-Apr-08, 12:52 PM
On 2002-04-07 15:56, The Bad Astronomer wrote:
For the record, I pulled the quotation(s) off of a website which had complete Shakespeare works. Unfortunately my bookmarks got wiped a couple of months ago so I don't have the link anymore.


Just guessing, but you may have got it from this site (http://dabomb.flatirons.org/bout/quotes.html). At least, it wasn't from here! (http://www.stardeed.com/)