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Larry Jacks
2009-Oct-02, 05:46 PM
Mexico City hosted the Summer Games in 1968 but this will be the first time a South American country has the opportunity. I wish them well. Hosting an Olympics - especially the Summer Games - is an extremely expensive proposition.

Fazor
2009-Oct-02, 06:07 PM
Make's Mrs Obama's garuntee that we'd win the bid look rather foolish. :) But I'm actually glad. We've had our share of games. Let someone else have a chance. Besides, it's good for us all to see some other cultures when we watch the games on tv.

R.A.F.
2009-Oct-02, 06:14 PM
Im just glad that the time zone for Rio is close "enough" to the US zones (only an hour ahead of NY) that we might get to see competitions live.

nauthiz
2009-Oct-02, 06:39 PM
I'm glad too. I'd be a lot easier to see the games with them being held in my hometown, but it's great to see a South American city get the opportunity.

(Well that and, for the sake of disclosure, I think most of the folks here in Chicago are rather happy to see anyone but us get the games this time around. Our committee's plans for how to handle hosting the event were a bit frightening. Maybe next time.)

NEOWatcher
2009-Oct-02, 06:50 PM
Make's Mrs Obama's garuntee that we'd win the bid look rather foolish. :)
Maybe now she can guarantee we get the most medals.:whistle:


But I'm actually glad. We've had our share of games. Let someone else have a chance. Besides, it's good for us all to see some other cultures when we watch the games on tv.
Same here. I'm not sure what the candidates had going for them, and that's because of the reporting that I have seen.
They all basically said "It should be in Chicago because Obama says so".
Then they compound it with "odds makers in Vegas favor Chicago".

Now that they decided, maybe I'll get a better picture.

Space Chimp
2009-Oct-02, 07:02 PM
It's about time one landed in South America. Besides, given Chicago's history if it had gone there we probably would have to endure seven years of news stories during the Olympic site construction about kickbacks, corruption, bribes, etc.

nauthiz
2009-Oct-02, 07:23 PM
Same here. I'm not sure what the candidates had going for them, and that's because of the reporting that I have seen.
They all basically said "It should be in Chicago because Obama says so".
Then they compound it with "odds makers in Vegas favor Chicago".

Now that they decided, maybe I'll get a better picture.

Here are the hits against Chicago I'd been hearing in the news:

- The other three candidates had an easy time securing financial backing. Tokyo had the entire thing plus a little bit more covered by guarantees, for example. Chicago, on the other hand, had secured guarantees for less than 1/4 of the estimated cost - leaving them $3.7 billion short. I doubt the President's last-minute bailout plan made things look much better.
- The IOC mentioned lack of enthusiasm among the local population several times over the past while. Only about half the city's residents were big on the idea a year ago, and that number fell to about 16% after the announcement that taxpayers would have to cover any cost overruns. I can't imagine the IOC was terribly eager to give the Olympics to a city that really didn't want them at all.
- There's speculation that the USA's international reputation might have lost us some votes.
- Chicago's final presentation at the conference was absolutely terrible by all accounts.
- There's some evidence to suggest that committee had decided not to wait to see if they had won before getting started on all that lovely Chicago corruption stuff.

HenrikOlsen
2009-Oct-02, 07:40 PM
I find it rather an admission of weakness that Chicago had the Obamas and Oprah Winfrey shill for them.

BigDon
2009-Oct-02, 07:41 PM
Wer'e talking Rio De Janero? The one next to Sao Paolo? In Brazil?

This is good news how?

Any of you fine folks have a small clue what the crime rate is in that area?

I'm serious, there is nothing like it in the United States and I've never heard of anything like it in Europe, except around '45/'46. I know a lot of business people who travel. IBM gives it's employees a week long course on how not to die before they send people down there and IBM has a walled compound!

If you are a tourist, the jewelry stores will not give you your purchase until the day you leave and then they will escort you and see you on the plane!

kleindoofy
2009-Oct-02, 07:45 PM
Im just glad that the time zone for Rio is close "enough" to the US zones (only an hour ahead of NY) that we might get to see competitions live.
Well, if the opening ceremony is anything like Rio's carneval, it won't be suitable for American TV anyway, unless they use lots of black bars to cover all the bare wiggly bits. ;)

So, you have a city with bad slums, high unemployment, corrupt police, a major drug problem ... and it loses to Rio. :lol:

Fazor
2009-Oct-02, 07:48 PM
BigD, I've heard that stuff too. But many of the past Olympic cities aren't typically the safest places in the world.

You have to remember, the Olympic environment is much different that the every-day environment.

HenrikOlsen
2009-Oct-02, 08:00 PM
Any of you fine folks have a small clue what the crime rate is in that area?
37.7 murders for every 100,000 people per year.
For comparison it's about 13.6 in San Fransisco(2008) and 15.6 for Chicago(2007), so only a bit more than twice that.
Oh, and 34 per 100,000 per year in Chicago in '92.

Arnold Layne
2009-Oct-02, 08:08 PM
Wer'e talking Rio De Janero? The one next to Sao Paolo? In Brazil?

Yes, it is the one next to Sao Paulo, similar to the way San Francisco is the one next to Los Angeles.


Any of you fine folks have a small clue what the crime rate is in that area?

I think I have a rough idea.


I'm serious, there is nothing like it in the United States and I've never heard of anything like it in Europe, except around '45/'46. I know a lot of business people who travel. IBM gives it's employees a week long course on how not to die before they send people down there and IBM has a walled compound!

Are they hiring? I have managed not to die on any of my trips there, so maybe I could teach the course.


If you are a tourist, the jewelry stores will not give you your purchase until the day you leave and then they will escort you and see you on the plane!

That was not my experience.

aurora
2009-Oct-02, 08:11 PM
Although it is warm in the winter in Rio compared to higher latitudes, it will be somewhat interesting to see the summer olympics taking place in the winter.

Ara Pacis
2009-Oct-02, 08:15 PM
It's about time that it goes to South America. Now is the time for them to stand up and show what they are capable of.

I was ambivalent about it going to Chicago anyways. What's the fun of disposable stadia? I agree with the above, the local news about the inevitable corruption scandals would have been insufferable.

nauthiz
2009-Oct-02, 08:40 PM
37.7 murders for every 100,000 people per year.
For comparison it's about 13.6 in San Fransisco(2008) and 15.6 for Chicago(2007), so only a bit more than twice that.
Oh, and 34 per 100,000 per year in Chicago in '92.

31.5 per 100,000 is Washington, DC last year. Detroit's is 37.4, which is definitely something like it in the USA.

HenrikOlsen
2009-Oct-02, 08:49 PM
I picked San Fransisco because BD lives there and Chicago because that was the competitor.

ToSeek
2009-Oct-02, 09:44 PM
Im just glad that the time zone for Rio is close "enough" to the US zones (only an hour ahead of NY) that we might get to see competitions live.

That was my main thought, that and bringing the Olympics to a continent that hasn't hosted them before. Africa is next!

The Backroad Astronomer
2009-Oct-02, 10:05 PM
This one will be in the sane time zone as me but the one in my country are 4 time zones away. Congrats to Brazil could not happen to a better country. I have known a few from there and they are really good people.

BigDon
2009-Oct-02, 10:15 PM
Mr. Layne, sorry if I gave offense.

Arnold Layne
2009-Oct-02, 11:39 PM
BigDon, I'm not offended, I just don't think it's that big of a problem. Rio is a relatively high crime area, but it's not orders of magnitude worse than other places. If you live there for a long time, odds are good that you'll be robbed at some point, but it's not like you'll be killed within five minutes of stepping onto the street.

Arnold Layne
2009-Oct-02, 11:41 PM
Africa is next!

Capetown 2020! Or maybe 2024.

kleindoofy
2009-Oct-03, 12:19 AM
This one will be in the sane time zone as me ...
Almost.

Unless you live in central Greenland, that is. ;)

And it's two hours off EST. Whatever, it's close enough, and I'm guessing we can trust that they will place events with high media value in time slots that appeal to the large northern TV market.


... Africa is next!
Where?

South Africa is hosting the (soccer) World Cup next year. If that goes well, they might get a chance at having the olympics in the 20's or 30's, but from an objective standpoint, having the olympics anywhere else in Africa within the next 50 years is totally unrealistic. Where?

HenrikOlsen
2009-Oct-03, 12:39 AM
Cairo?

kleindoofy
2009-Oct-03, 12:50 AM
Cairo?
Maybe, but probably not, considering the whole picture.

Call me crazy and totally bonkers, but a joint effort of Egypt, Israel and Jordan just could have a slight chance, even if it meant breaking up the idea of the (mainly) central competition location. But I doubt that too.

nauthiz
2009-Oct-03, 01:32 AM
Cairo applied to host the 2008 summer games. I don't know why they couldn't do it solo; I think it's one of the world's 10 largest cities.

The Backroad Astronomer
2009-Oct-03, 03:41 AM
Almost.

Unless you live in central Greenland, that is.

And it's two hours off EST. Whatever, it's close enough, and I'm guessing we can trust that they will place events with high media value in time slots that appeal to the large northern TV market.
I am in the atlantic time zone same as Rio. They do have daylight savings time so it would be same time here in New Brunswick.

edited: Actually there daylight savings time is opposite of us so it would two hours ahead me amd 3 hours for people in the eastern time zone. Darn southern hemisphere and their opposite seasons.

kleindoofy
2009-Oct-03, 04:16 AM
... I am in the atlantic time zone same as Rio. They do have daylight savings time so it would be same time here in New Brunswick. ...
Strange.

According to this time zone map (big jpeg) (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_maps/timezones_2001.jpg) and all the others I looked at, Rio is GMT+3, while New Brunswick is GMT+4 (EST = GMT+5).

There must be something wrong somewhere.

Neverfly
2009-Oct-03, 04:27 AM
strange.

According to this time zone map (big jpeg) (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_maps/timezones_2001.jpg) and all the others i looked at, rio is gmt+3, while new brunswick is gmt+4 (est = gmt+5).

There must be something wrong somewhere.

dst?

The Backroad Astronomer
2009-Oct-03, 04:45 AM
Neverfly got it, right now it is daylight savings time which ends soon so fall back an hour and Rio's begins soon so the go ahead an hour, so the time difference becomes 2 hours while now it is the same. Just and another hour for the difference in the eastern time zone so it will become a three hour difference when Rio goes to the DST.

Chuck
2009-Oct-03, 04:49 AM
If they're going to plan years ahead they should pick inland cities so there's more chance they won't be under water.

Ara Pacis
2009-Oct-03, 05:52 AM
This one will be in the sane time zone as me but the one in my country are 4 time zones away. Congrats to Brazil could not happen to a better country. I have known a few from there and they are really good people.

Did no one else pick up on that? As far as I know, only the Central Time Zone (US) is sane, but that's just me.

The Backroad Astronomer
2009-Oct-03, 06:01 AM
Did no one else pick up on that? As far as I know, only the Central Time Zone (US) is sane, but that's just me.
Not that I know of, but I think the Atlantic time zone is the sanest.

sarongsong
2009-Oct-03, 07:10 AM
Whoa! :eek:
October 2, 2009
...Rio...will spend $14.4 billion on operating costs and necessary upgrades to venues, accommodation and transport links...
signonsandiego.com (http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/oct/02/oly-2016-bids-rio-100209/?sports)

Arnold Layne
2009-Oct-03, 02:08 PM
If they're going to plan years ahead they should pick inland cities so there's more chance they won't be under water.

It wouldn't take much to put parts of Rio underwater, but if all of Rio is underwater, most of the world will be in trouble . . .

mahesh
2009-Oct-03, 02:37 PM
Did no one else pick up on that? As far as I know, only the Central Time Zone (US) is sane, but that's just me.

Not that I know of, but I think the Atlantic time zone is the sanest.

I would've thought GMT is the sanest.

I'm nuts about Brazil, Argos, you know...many congratulations to you and your compatriots.

KaiYeves
2009-Oct-03, 02:46 PM
Congrats, Rio! It'll be so great to have the Olympics in South America for the first time ever!

mahesh
2009-Oct-03, 04:36 PM
Strange.

According to this time zone map (big jpeg) (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_maps/timezones_2001.jpg) and all the others I looked at, Rio is GMT+3, while New Brunswick is GMT+4 (EST = GMT+5).

There must be something wrong somewhere.
...doofy...methinks you meant GMT minus, not plus ? Maybe you hit wrong key.

You don't want to miss any fun, up in the skies! Or at the Olympics!

kleindoofy
2009-Oct-03, 08:21 PM
...doofy...methinks you meant GMT minus, not plus ? Maybe you hit wrong key. ...
No. No lame excuses. I got it wrong.

I always mix up the +/- with times tones and GMT. I forget that the farther you get along when the world rotates, the more minus you are.


...Rio...will spend $14.4 billion on operating costs and necessary upgrades to venues, accommodation and transport links...
Back in the 60's the city of Munich was in trouble. They badly needed a subway system, the inner city roads were in bad shape, almost no trans- or cirum-city highways, poor water and gas infrastructure (they needed new mains), they badly needed student housing, a new stadium, the whole shibang.

Nobody wanted to spend the necessary money, the city council was draging its feet, not federal money, etc. Munich was losing its status and going down hill fast.

So, the mayor had an idea: "let's host the summer olympics!" Everybody thought he was crazy, but he got a majority in the city.

So, when it won the bidding, along with the bits directly associated with the games themselves (stadiums, olympic village, etc.), the city was forced to invest in its infrastructure was a whole and in a big way and fast.

To this day they are still profiting from that very daring step they took over 40 years ago.

Maybe it will help Rio too.

Gillianren
2009-Oct-03, 10:20 PM
Exposition Park in Los Angeles has been a pedestrian zone for twenty-five years now, because they discovered it worked really well as one when they made it one for the Olympics. I honestly don't remember any other changes, but I was seven during the Olympics.

Argos
2009-Oct-13, 08:56 PM
Congrats to Brazil could not happen to a better country. I have known a few from there and they are really good people.

Thanks, David. We try our best. ;)

@ Mahesh. Thanks mate! I could say the same about you and your country [which I happen to just arrive from - unfortunately I couldnīt get in touch with you to have some pints! (maybe next year) :)]

@ BigDon. Check your facts, my friend. Your info about Brazil is absolutely wrong, trust me. :)

Jens
2009-Oct-14, 07:29 AM
South Africa is hosting the (soccer) World Cup next year. If that goes well, they might get a chance at having the olympics in the 20's or 30's, but from an objective standpoint, having the olympics anywhere else in Africa within the next 50 years is totally unrealistic. Where?

How about Gaborone? You'd have no trouble finding land to make new stadiums! :)