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Terry Giblin
2009-Oct-11, 11:40 AM
I am trying to find a book, ISBN 3-906428-27-3, which has been withdrawn, from publication.

If a book is withdrawn from publication, is it normal to delete the ISBN reference as well?

I thought ISBN numbers are unique?

I did not realize they are deleted after a book is withdrawn or is out of publication.

Who manages and controls ISBN reference numbers?

Who has the power to delete an ISBN reference numbers?

Kind Regards

Terry Giblin

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hhEb09'1
2009-Oct-11, 12:18 PM
You've been to htttp://www.isbn.org (http://www.isbn.org)?

Daggerstab
2009-Oct-11, 12:32 PM
I am trying to find a book, ISBN 3-906428-27-3, which has been withdrawn, from publication.

According to Google, the only other place this ISBN is mentioned and written in this way is a thread started by you in another forum. :)

There is a book with this ISBN in Google Books and some other on-line databases:
http://books.google.com/books?q=isbn%3A3906428273
But I guess it's not what are you looking for. :)

You can try to continue your search using the search engines listed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/3906428273

It would be more easier if you had the title or the names of the author(s). I suspect that your ISBN is not the right one. :)

slang
2009-Oct-11, 12:47 PM
It's an ISBN10 code, the 3 indicates German language ISBN agency, the 906428 a publisher number that can publish up to 100 titles, and the last 3 is a checksum number. There are no publishers lists available online for group 3, AFAIK.

What makes you conclude the ISBN number is "deleted"?

HenrikOlsen
2009-Oct-11, 01:47 PM
I am trying to find a book, ISBN 3-906428-27-3, which has been withdrawn, from publication.
From the initial 3 I see it's in German, from the hyphenation I see it's a 100 number block so a very small publisher, possibly even self published.

I think it's going to be difficult to find it unless you also have a title and author, since if it's been republished it might not be under the same ISBN.

kleindoofy
2009-Oct-11, 02:45 PM
As written above, 3-906428-27-3 is an old 10-digit ISBN, meaning that the book is at least a few years old.

I used the online converter (10 --> 13) on http://www.german-isbn.de and got 978-3-906428-27-7 (the converter adds the 978 prefix and recalculates the checksum). If the original number had been invalid, I would have gotten an error message, but I didn't, so the ISBN is valid, which doesn't mean it's right.

However, there is no entry in the German online portal of the VLB (Verzeichnis lieferbarer Bücher = "list of available books") www.buchhandel.de, so presuming the book did exist at one time, it is now simply out of print.

The publisher would be the "international institute of management in technology - University Press" (iimt - Universität Fribourg, Boulevard de Pérolles 90, 1700 Fribourg - www.iimt.ch), which is in Switzerland.

The Swiss list on www.swissbooks.ch turns up a blank too.

If the book had been published at one time, the ISBN should turn up on on-line library lists, but it doesn't. It's also not in the publisher's back list (http://www.iimt.ch/uploads/media/catalog.pdf).

Maybe it was a POD book that was printed before the Swiss national library started puting its new acquiries online.

A quick search in the Swiss national library online catalogue drew a blank too, but I didn't try very hard (http://www.nb.admin.ch/slb/dienstleistungen/online_katalog/00453/index.html?lang=de)

Try contacting the publisher.

[edit] Oops, following the link for google books given by daggerstab above, we see that the book is:
André van Tuinen, Release management in the telecom industry: methods, instruments, critical success factors, Series on management in telecommunications. IIMT University Press, 2003

(I forgot to search for 3-906428-27-3 without the dashes.)

Hlafordlaes
2009-Oct-11, 03:00 PM
Nice sleuthing, kleindoofy!

Here in Spain, back when I was in publishing and retailing, we had quite a number of books show up with bad ISBN numbers. It appeared to be dart-board decision-making at work. Maybe a rigid coding system didn't appeal to some (wacky) notions of freedom of speech?

Had to reprogram our barcode system for the retailers and use new algorithms. Not fun, inefficient; bad codes were a pet peeve of mine back then. Cost big bucks, since the routine I made on a PC didn't work on the mini (OS version refused to output a null char to the printer needed for the graphics), so we had to buy into deliciously expensive-per-label dedicated printers. /rant

slang
2009-Oct-11, 03:13 PM
From the initial 3 I see it's in German

Not necessarily in German, it just means the publisher is in that group. See the german-isbn.org FAQ (http://www.german-isbn.org/cgi-bin/webster.exe/showpublic?page=isbn_faqs_detail.html&faq_id=37&session_id=2034).

kleindoofy
2009-Oct-11, 03:20 PM
Quick addition:

The book is the fourth volume in the series quoted above (Series on management in telecommunications). which has the subtitle Executive MBA and executive diploma papers

It's a papberback and originally cost CHF 45.--

There is one copy available at the Swiss national library:
shelfmark: N 262082 in the "NB/Magazin Ost."

So, now all you have to do is go to Berne in Switzerland. Have fun, it's a lovely city.

Here's some information on the library: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_National_Library

hhEb09'1
2009-Oct-11, 03:36 PM
Nice sleuthing, kleindoofy!That was daggerstab! :)

The book is listed as available in the IIMT catalog (http://www.iimt.ch/uploads/media/catalog.pdf)

kleindoofy
2009-Oct-11, 03:43 PM
That was daggerstab ...
Yup. And I refered to him in my edit.


... The book is listed as available in the IIMT catalog
Yes, I see it now too, but strangely with the ISBN 3-906428-42-7, not 3-906428-27-3.

Probably some kind of feint by the CIA or the No Such Agency. ;)

hhEb09'1
2009-Oct-11, 03:59 PM
And I refered to him in my edit.Sorry. Yes, that's how I knew, you gave appropriate credit.

Yes, I see it now too, but strangely with the ISBN 3-906428-42-7, not 3-906428-27-3.Interesting. What does that isbn code reveal?


Probably some kind of feint by the CIA or the No Such Agency.My money's on the DIA.

HenrikOlsen
2009-Oct-11, 04:15 PM
Yup. And I refered to him in my edit.

Yes, I see it now too, but strangely with the ISBN 3-906428-42-7, not 3-906428-27-3.

Probably some kind of feint by the CIA or the No Such Agency. ;)
That's just plain wrong programming from their side.

The "-7" check digit relates to the ISBN-13 version of the number so it should have been written as 978-3-906428-42-7

slang
2009-Oct-11, 04:20 PM
The "-7" check digit relates to the ISBN-13 version of the number so it should have been written as 978-3-906428-42-7

No, it's a different ISBN so a different checksum. I almost fell for that one too, since indeed 7 is the checksum for the ISBN13 version of Terry's number :) Online calculator (http://www.isbn-international.org/ia/isbncvt).

HenrikOlsen
2009-Oct-11, 04:29 PM
:doh: -42- vs. -27- for the book. :wall:

Ok, looks like they republished it under a new ISBN.

kleindoofy
2009-Oct-11, 04:42 PM
3-906428-42-7 is not in the Swiss national library, nor available via VLB, but it is a valid ISBN. The 13-digit number is 978-3-906428-42-0.

I'm guessing that the publisher made a booboo in the catalogue.

iimt only has 29 titles available in the VLB listing.

My guess is that they produce mini printings which fulfill certain legal (or other) requirements, e.g. for patent submission, submit the mandatory copies (university, national library, etc.), keep a few for selling, and give the rest to the author. That's not atypical for MBA theses or "throw away" dissertations.

hhEb09'1
2009-Oct-11, 04:48 PM
There is a book with this ISBN in Google Books and some other on-line databases:
http://books.google.com/books?q=isbn%3A3906428273
But I guess it's not what are you looking for. :)Well, we're assuming it is. We probably should find out from the OP whether it is or isn't.

kleindoofy
2009-Oct-11, 04:55 PM
Well, we're assuming it is. ...
Something tell's me it's not.

Judging from the title, Young's Double Split Experiment is not likely to be mentioned in the book, and I believe that is what the OP is looking for.

Hlafordlaes
2009-Oct-11, 05:00 PM
That was daggerstab! :)

The book is listed as available in the IIMT catalog (http://www.iimt.ch/uploads/media/catalog.pdf)

Actually, I posted just before the edit, but was lauding the process, anywho...

slang
2009-Oct-11, 09:20 PM
Terry, a little response would be nice, after all the effort people went through to get you your information.. What's the source for your ISBN number, what made you conclude it was "deleted", and what's special about the publication? Any more information on it, like author, date, etc? Thanks for the challenge btw, it was nice to learn some more about how the ISBN system works.

Terry Giblin
2009-Oct-18, 10:37 PM
http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content07/HAL-9000.jpg

HAL 9000 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHJkAYdT7qo&feature=related)

Wake up HAL, you're dreaming again.

All open source operating systems, including mac, where designed to work in 2000, I was there.

http://www.unix.org/images/unix_plate.jpg

They wrote a book about it, ISBN.......

Let there be light.

Kind Regards

Terry Giblin

sarongsong
2009-Oct-18, 10:53 PM
Zero evidence.

Terry Giblin
2009-Oct-19, 12:03 AM
Zero evidence.

You or me?

Kind Regards

Terry Giblin (http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=-573015)

Nowhere Man
2009-Oct-19, 12:36 AM
I am trying to find a book, ISBN 3-906428-27-3, which has been withdrawn, from publication.
Howzabout a title and author?

Fred

kleindoofy
2009-Oct-19, 01:41 AM
... Wake up HAL, you're dreaming again. ...
You're welcome, glad we could help.

sarongsong
2009-Oct-19, 03:28 AM
Have you ever read the book?...and what book would that be?
You or me?You, so far.

Terry Giblin
2009-Oct-19, 04:26 AM
http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content07/HAL-9000.jpg

HAL 9000 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHJkAYdT7qo&feature=related)

Wake up HAL, you're dreaming again.

All open source operating systems, including mac, where designed to work in 2000, I was there.

http://www.unix.org/images/unix_plate.jpg

They wrote a book about it, ISBN.......

Let there be light.

Kind Regards

Terry Giblin

I was one of the original architects, that designed the process, to produced the report and hence the book.

welcome to the matrix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H85hdn9a6KM&feature=related)

Let there be light.

Kind Regards

Terry Giblin (http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=-573015)

sarongsong
2009-Oct-19, 04:53 AM
I have lots of copies, one for each client"Client"?---are you recruiting?
Do these "copies" have a title and author[s]?
...welcome to the matrix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H85hdn9a6KM&feature=related)...
06 Dialogue with Architect
"An error occurred, please try again later."No help.

ETA
Oh, it's a 07:21 YouTube (presumable) excerpt from the movie. :rolleyes:
Now you're a movie star :confused:

Van Rijn
2009-Oct-19, 08:37 AM
I was one of the original architects


Of what?



, that designed the process,


What process?



to produced the report


What report?



and hence the book.


What book? Is it Release management in the telecom industry: methods, instruments, critical success factors? That is, the one that matched the ISBN you gave.

Please give us details. References to movies and an OS developed in the '60s do nothing to clarify whatever claim you think you're making.

Terry Giblin
2009-Oct-19, 02:05 PM
Dear Van Rijn,


OS developed in the '60s

Did I say
I was one of the original architects, that designed the process, to produced the report and hence the book.


Thank you for pointing out my mistake, '60s, I am not that old.......

I should have said "I was trained by the original architects".

The Sinclair ZX80 was my first computer.

I have been breaking and fixing them, ever since.

Let there be light.

Kind Regards

Terry Giblin

captain swoop
2009-Oct-19, 04:03 PM
Still don't know what book you mean. Why don't you just tell us the title of the book. as you can see in the posts above a title has been found that matches the ISBN number you gave. ID that what you are looking for?

sarongsong
2009-Oct-19, 06:54 PM
Looks like the OP tag is correct:
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
:whistle:

kleindoofy
2009-Oct-19, 08:08 PM
Am I missing something here?

Terry Giblin asked us to find something for him. We did.

Assuming he intended to write "thank you" but forgot, I added a "you're welcome" to the thread, just in case.

Now he's babbling foolish gibberish about the HAL 9000 and the Sinclair ZX80 and is asking somebody to finally turn on the lights.

Wassup? :confused:

Terry Giblin
2009-Oct-19, 11:47 PM
Am I missing something here?

Terry Giblin asked us to find something for him. We did.

Assuming he intended to write "thank you" but forgot, I added a "you're welcome" to the thread, just in case.

Now he's babbling foolish gibberish about the HAL 9000 and the Sinclair ZX80 and is asking somebody to finally turn on the lights.

Wassup? :confused:

Dear Kliendoofy,

Please accept my apology for not saying thank you sooner.

To be honest I never expected such a huge response.

But can you please "tell" show me how you did it?

I take it, it's not that simple, apparently having the ISBN is not enough, more information the better.

And by the way, like I always say


Judging from the title, the Double Split Experiment is not likely to be mentioned in the book, and I believe that is what the OP is looking for.

Never judge a book by its cover.

Mr Tuinen wrote a book, in 2003, as part of an MBA course in Fribourg Switzerland.

Title Release management in the telecom industry: methods, instruments, critical success factors

Series on management in telecommunications

I wounder where he got most of his statistics and ideas from, The future's bright, the future's Orange (http://www1.orange.ch/residential_about-orange.html#key-figures)

Let there be light.

Kind Regards

Terry Giblin (http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=-573015)

kleindoofy
2009-Oct-20, 12:02 AM
... But can you please "tell" show me how you did it? ...
First, there's this cool thingy called Google.

Look into it, it's chatching on and just might be big someday.

The second part is experience.

You can find the first thing, Google, on the internet. Just look google for it.

The second part has to be earned and can't be explained in so many words.

sarongsong
2009-Oct-20, 02:34 AM
Am I missing something here?...Only a simple draw play...
I have lots of copies...

Jens
2009-Oct-20, 02:47 AM
. . . and is asking somebody to finally turn on the lights.


No, he's ordering the lights to be put on. I'm sure I've seen that phrase somewhere, though.

Hey, wait a second. It looks like we may have a very important visitor here. :)

HenrikOlsen
2009-Oct-20, 10:08 AM
I wonder if the part of this thread that came after the original question was answered belongs in fun-n-games instead of here.

Terry Giblin
2010-Nov-28, 10:39 PM
Yes, I see it now too, but strangely with the ISBN 3-906428-42-7, not 3-906428-27-3.

Probably some kind of feint by the CIA or the No Such Agency. ;)

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/8715/bookcoverc.jpg


ISBN 3-906428-27-3, not 3-906428-42-7?

I think it was the TAXMAN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Maz9ddxEQnM).

Light in, Light out.

kleindoofy
2010-Nov-28, 11:10 PM
... ISBN 3-906428-27-3, not 3-906428-42-7? ...
Yeah, life can be pretty hard sometimes.

Buy a dog.


... Light in, Light out.
Light In, Light Out (Edwin Constable and others)

Crap in, crap out (any computer user)