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    The Chinese spacewalk was faked in a water tank

    In these other threads on the Chinese spacewalk much of the proof that they faked it wasn't even shown let alone discussed.

    https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthr...ked-underwater
    https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthr...unch-broadcast
    https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthr...alk-conspiracy


    The clearest proof that I've seen is the flag fluttering the way it would in a gaseous or liquid medium at the thirty second time mark in this video.

    Chinese Space Walk - 2008
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvpPknmHGAM


    There's more.

    Proof China Faked Their Spacewalk (Part 2)
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbBFwdmldA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4Z_r38ZDE
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4Z_r38ZDE

    China's Space Walk Was FAKE (part 1)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g



    In this video the safety cable is obviously buoyant. It has a distinct tendency to to upward.

    China Shenzhou 7 Space Walk Live!! Full Success!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=gMxQEHfU6hM

    Watch it at these time marks.
    0:50
    2:10
    3:00
    3:10
    6:08
    6:44
    6:53

    It's going upward because it's slightly lighter than water.

    In the above video (Proof China Faked Their Spacewalk "Part 2") at the 3:45 time mark you can see the astronaut holding the buoyant safety cable down so that its buoyancy won't be so obvious.


    NASA's position on the Chinese spacewalk is that it was real to this shows that NASA is capable of lying.

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    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co...ks-part-1.html
    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co...ks-part-2.html

    The "bubble"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M1LRSF62cc

    Direct question: Does that flat piece of ice/tape/paint almost trebling in size, rotating as it rises, look like a bubble to you?

    In water, volume is inversely proportional to the pressure. That is for example ATM x 4, the bubble is 1/4 size ATM = 1. Since the pressure increases by about 1 ATM every 10m, in the footage we see of a couple of metres(at most) there should be a negligible size change. Quite clearly, provably from the footage, the object grows in size substantially more than double, maybe treble. It is coming towards the camera. Bubbles rise, they aren't opaque, they aren't flat, they don't rotate like that and they don't grow in size that fast.

    Regarding the flag, your observation is largely irrelevant. You have picked THE most ludicrous of all options to explain this. There is no way on Earth, you will get a flag opened out, spinning in water without serious resistance to it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si0aSq94zp4

    Further to this an explanation was given that is even more ridiculous, that the footage is seriously slowed down, just like that video and now the astronauts are visibly almost motionless.

    Direct question: How can you claim that is in water, given that it is a physical impossibility?

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    Clanger...

    I'd like to hear your view on the first anomaly that I mentioned which I think is the clearest.

    The clearest proof that I've seen is the flag fluttering the way it would in a gaseous or liquid medium at the thirty second time mark in this video.

    Chinese Space Walk - 2008
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvpPknmHGAM

    The only identifiable force making it move would be water or air. It wouldn't move that way in a vacuum.

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    The fast flag movement can be explained by sped-up video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
    (1:55 time mark)

    Playback speed can be adjusted as the footage is being played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig2 View Post
    The fast flag movement can be explained by sped-up video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
    (1:55 time mark)

    Playback speed can be adjusted as the footage is being played.
    I just posted a video that makes a mockery of that claim - watch it again and respond properly!! Speed of fabric in water makes no difference, it still billows and resists. The Chinese flag makes no direction change when he drags it back and forth, just that tiny thing is impossible in water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig2 View Post
    Clanger...

    I'd like to hear your view on the first anomaly that I mentioned which I think is the clearest.
    You're seeing what you want to see! Any tiny vibration would do that. It is a ludicrous suggestion to say that is in water anyway, just because you think it "flutters".

    The only identifiable force making it move would be water or air. It wouldn't move that way in a vacuum.
    Nonsense, water wouldn't do that without billowing and resistance way stronger than that tiny movement!

    Answer the questions and respond to my FULL post above!

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    Craig2: Instead of starting a new thread with more bare assumptions and someone else's work, I would politely ask you to answer the questions presented to you on the other two threads.

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    I've got to go now but I'll be back tomorrow. Here's a video for now.

    Underwater Pakistani Flag - Independence Day of Pakistan
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Y1C_9p0QQ


    I know the Chinese flag was stiffer but this shows the similarity of environments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig2 View Post
    In this video the safety cable is obviously buoyant. It has a distinct tendency to to upward.

    China Shenzhou 7 Space Walk Live!! Full Success!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=gMxQEHfU6hM
    What it has a distinct tendency to do is move about unconstrained by gravity. The slightest movement - or even internal pressure change - will cause it to move freely. You are not used to this kind of movement because you have never been in a zero-g environment.


    Quote Originally Posted by Craig2 View Post
    It's going upward because it's slightly lighter than water.
    It is not going "upward". There is no "up" in zero-g. It's just going wherever it wants. Things don't do that down here in gravity.

    Your limited experience - having spent your entire life in gravity - is that "towards the astronaut's head" must be "up", which, to you, must mean "in defiance of gravity".


    In doing so, you demonstrate that you are not qualified to judge what is, and is not, the case in orbit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig2 View Post
    I've got to go now but I'll be back tomorrow. Here's a video for now.

    Underwater Pakistani Flag - Independence Day of Pakistan
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Y1C_9p0QQ


    I know the Chinese flag was stiffer but this shows the similarity of environments.
    This is ridiculous. It billows and ripples the entire time! At no point in your diversionary video does it get spun around. Every time the pole is moved in any direction, the flag follows.

    You turn up start another daft unsubstantiated thread and fail to answer a single one of the dozens of points and questions. That even includes the points raised in this very thread. You are cornered and know it, so I strongly suspect more diversion and a torrent of extremely inept and lame responses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig2 View Post
    I've got to go now but I'll be back tomorrow. Here's a video for now.
    It appears to me to be rather obvious that you are trying to change subjects from your previous threads, rather than deal with their unaddressed questions and arguments. It is both cowardly and lazy to abandon such subjects in this manner, so I hope that is not your continued course of action. So, please achieve closure on your previous posts prior to beginning any new ones.

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    It appears to me to be rather obvious that you are trying to change subjects from your previous threads, rather than deal with their unaddressed questions and arguments. It is both cowardly and lazy to abandon such subjects in this manner, so I hope that is not your continued course of action. So, please achieve closure on your previous posts prior to beginning any new ones.
    I think the hoax has been proven in the eyes of objective people of normal intelligence. You people will never recognize it though so there will never be closure so what am I supposed to do? There are other issues to be addressed. Other hoax-belivers can join in if they want to.


    What it has a distinct tendency to do is move about unconstrained by gravity. The slightest movement - or even internal pressure change - will cause it to move freely. You are not used to this kind of movement because you have never been in a zero-g environment.
    If that were the case, the movement would not be one hundred percent consistent with the buoyancy scenario.


    It is not going "upward". There is no "up" in zero-g. It's just going wherever it wants. Things don't do that down here in gravity.
    I said upward because I believe the footage was filmed on earth in a water tank.


    This is ridiculous. It billows and ripples the entire time! At no point in your diversionary video does it get spun around. Every time the pole is moved in any direction, the flag follows.

    You turn up start another daft unsubstantiated thread and fail to answer a single one of the dozens of points and questions. That even includes the points raised in this very thread. You are cornered and know it, so I strongly suspect more diversion and a torrent of extremely inept and lame responses.
    I was making a comparison with this video...

    Chinese Space Walk - 2008
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvpPknmHGAM


    ...not the other one. Pardon me if I wasn't clear enough.

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    Answer the question. Prove that the LRO images are fake.

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    Answer the question. Prove that the LRO images are fake.
    I can't. Can you prove that they're real?


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    I think this was meant for this thread.
    https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthr...g-s-LRO-thread
    Last edited by Craig2; 2018-Jul-23 at 11:03 AM.

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    Thread closed as it is also more of the same, Craig2, keep your stuff in one thread.
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