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    US Commercial Crew program (CCtCap): upcoming tests

    Monday Nov 4 Boeing's Starliner will do its pad abort test at the White Sands Missile Range. This test simulated an escape from a failing rocket on or just above the launch pad.

    The window opens at 0900 Eastern and it'll be streamed and broadcast on NASA TV (at the insistance of NASA Admin. Jim Bridenstine)

    https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/#public

    Preview animation. Note that the service module and heat shield must be jettisoned for the air bag landing cushions to deploy. If either doesn't, things will get very bumpy.

    https://youtu.be/RZg5CCAyiTA

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    SpaceX's Crew Dragon pad abort test was completed in 2015

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    SpaceX team has completed 13 successful tests in a row of upgraded Mark 3 parachutes for Crew Dragon. Most recent test demonstrated the parachute system's ability to land the spacecraft safely in the unlikely event that one of the four main parachutes fails.

    https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1191067348914098176

    Other upcoming tests

    SpaceX Crew Dragon SuperDraco static fire: NET Monday, November 11, 2019 at SpaceX's Landing Zone 1, KSC

    SpaceX Crew Dragon In-Flight Abort test: launched aboard a sacrificial Falcon 9, Crew Dragon will demonstrate escaping from a failing booster at Max-Q (maximum dynamic pressure). NET December 2019

    Boeing Starliner Orbital Flight Test: uncrewed mission to ISS, similar to Crew Dragon DM-1. NET December 2019.

    SpaceX Crew Dragon DM-2: crewed mission to ISS. This mission may be extended from the planned few days to a full length US Crew Vehicle (USCV) mission. USCV-1 was planned to be on-station for 6 months. NET Q1 2020.

    Boeing Starliner Crewed Flight Test: crewed mission to ISS, similar to Crew Dragon DM-2. TBA

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    Boeing Starliner pad abort test

    Took off fine, but a bit late

    Everything worked fine to chute deployment. 2 canopies opened properly, then the 3rd ripped off the vehicle - an anomaly. Touchdown was successful, the redundancy of multiple chutes proving itself, but in spite of glad faces on TV they have work to do.

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    Starliner pad abort test

    https://youtu.be/acOFK3Bsj58

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    Whether you rode the Starliner or the SpaceX Dragon, that would be quite a ride to do as a manned flight.
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    Either way your chair goes uphill at up to 6G in a heartbeat. Helluva ride.

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    Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.

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    Poor camera tracking prevented me from actually seeing the third parachute failure. Scott's video slow everything down and you could see the third Canard(?) streaming away from the capsule and then lost tracking again with the next "catch" with two chutes.
    I agree with Scott, NASA isn't going to sign off on this test. The chute deployment/attachments needs work.

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    Scott Manley @DJSnM (programmer, astrophysicist)

    So... Boeing says this wasn't a parachute failure, because the parachute didn't deploy.
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    Emre Kelly @EmreKelly (Florida Today)

    Boeing on #Starliner 2/3 chute deploy: "We did have a deployment anomaly, not a parachute failure. It's too early to determine why all three main parachutes did not deploy, however, having two of three deploy successfully is acceptable for the test parameters and crew safety."

    https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1191400247416614912

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmordrid View Post
    So... Boeing says this wasn't a parachute failure, because the parachute didn't deploy.
    Did Boeing move the MCAS team over to Starliner parachute systems??

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    Seems so, doesn't it?

    But its not just the 737 MAX. It's also the KC-46 transport which Boeing is delivering with garbage in it and inside the walls, and the cargo hold-downs don't hold. Now the military's refusing delivery until the problems are solved. They've also been short-funding and restricting ULA from pursuing reusable launchers (Vulcan's recoverable engine bay won't cut it), turned SLS into a holy hot mess and half a dozen other things.

    And don't get me started on all the problems they've had with Starliner, starting with the fact that it can't achieve orbit using Atlas V without firing its launch abort engines. Unassisted insertion won't happen until Vulcan flies.

    Boeing lost its engineering soul when Phil Condit took over in 1996, and it got worse with the McDonnell Douglas merger. From then on its been dumb, dumber, and dumbest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by docmordrid View Post
    Seems so, doesn't it?

    But its not just the 737 MAX. It's also the KC-46 transport which Boeing is delivering with garbage in it and inside the walls, and the cargo hold-downs don't hold. Now the military's refusing delivery until the problems are solved. They've also been short-funding and restricting ULA from pursuing reusable launchers (Vulcan's recoverable engine bay won't cut it), turned SLS into a holy hot mess and half a dozen other things.

    And don't get me started on all the problems they've had with Starliner, starting with the fact that it can't achieve orbit using Atlas V without firing its launch abort engines. Unassisted insertion won't happen until Vulcan flies.

    Boeing lost its engineering soul when Phil Condit took over in 1996, and it got worse with the McDonnell Douglas merger. From then on its been dumb, dumber, and dumbest.
    When I worked at Boeing, we were trained to look for root causes. In this case that was Jack Welch.
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    A lot of what I read here sounds like an extreme case of assessing a solution solely by looking at your success in tackling individual elements of it, without looking at its success as a total system. Yes, you've ticked off 90% of the bike's features, but where are my pedals.
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    SpaceX Crew Dragon Static Fire

    Date: NET November 8
    Time: TBA
    Location: KSC LZ-1 (Dragon 2 Test Facilty)

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    Uhhhh...yeah

    https://blogs.nasa.gov/commercialcre...-test-results/

    NASA and Boeing discuss preliminary Pad Abort Test results

    On Thursday, Nov. 7, Boeing Commercial Crew Vice President and Program Manager John Mulholland and NASA Commercial Crew Program Manager Kathy Lueders addressed preliminary results of the Nov. 4 CST-100 Starliner Pad Abort Test during a media teleconference.

    * Validated the launch abort systems capability to perform a safe abort

    * Safely separated CST-100 from a static launch vehicle adapter on the launch pad

    * Validated the launch abort systems capability to propel Starliner safely to a target point to avoid re-contact with any potential debris or other pieces of hardware

    * Demonstrated stability and control characteristics of the launch abort system

    * Safely separated the crew module from the service module during the abort sequence

    * Deployed landing and recovery system to execute a controlled land landing

    * Validated functionality of guidance, navigation & control and command & data handling system for appropriate sequencing of commands to the propulsion controllers

    During the test, two of three of Starliners main parachutes deployed and eased Starliner to the ground. Although designed with three parachutes, two opening successfully is acceptable for the test parameters and crew safety. Boeing has determined that the parachute anomaly occurred because the rigging between one of the three pilot and main parachutes was improperly connected. Boeing has verified this through closeout photos, and understands how this happened on a test vehicle. The company is validating that its processes were followed correctly on its Orbital Flight Test vehicle, which is targeted to launch from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida on Dec. 17.

    NASA is encouraged by the preliminary results of the Pad Abort Test and remains committed to working in concert with Boeing to ensure crew safety as we move to return astronauts to the International Space Station from U.S. soil.

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    SpaceX ✔ @SpaceX
    Full duration static fire test of Crew Dragons launch escape system complete - SpaceX and NASA teams are now reviewing test data and working toward an in-flight demonstration of Crew Dragon's launch escape capabilities

    EJSWeNzVUAANQ34.jpeg

    https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1194745251480498177

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    Crew Dragon static fire video (slo-mo)

    https://twitter.com/commercial_crew/...73732034396160

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmordrid View Post
    SpaceX ✔ @SpaceX
    Full duration static fire test of Crew Dragons launch escape system complete - SpaceX and NASA teams are now reviewing test data and working toward an in-flight demonstration of Crew Dragon's launch escape capabilities

    EJSWeNzVUAANQ34.jpeg

    https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1194745251480498177
    I hope the review doesn't last too long so the flight demonstration can take place ASAP.

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    Sounds like they have a date in mind; this includes extra crew training.

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    https://twitter.com/ChrisG_NSF/statu...80893470109697

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    Boeing Starliner un-crewed OFT (orbital flight test) December 19 at 0659 Eastern. This delayed from December 17 because of a problem with the Atlas V N22* rocket

    * N22 = No fairing, 2 solid boosters, 2-engine Centaur upper stage

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    Crew Dragon schedule alert!!

    Stephen Clark @StephenClark1 (SpaceFlightNow)
    Hello from Hawthorne. Got to see the Dragon for the Demo-2 crewed mission. SpaceX aims to ship it out of factory by the end of year for thermal vacuum testing. Gwynne Shotwell says the target date for the in-flight abort test is Jan. 4. She says Demo-2 as soon as February.

    https://twitter.com/StephenClark1/st...28237364105217

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