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    Quote Originally Posted by Extravoice View Post
    One of the metrics my state reports is the daily “positivity rate.” Currently it is around 5%.
    I think that means that 95% of people tested were negative. That means lots of unsick people are being tested. Who are these people, and why are they being tested?
    I suppose some people are regularly tested (healthcare workers, etc.), or people testing prior to medical procedures and such. But I’d think that most tests are people who think they might be sick. If that was the case, I’d expect the positivity rate to be much higher.
    What am I missing?
    More and more businesses and other things (at least in the US) are requiring that people either show they have been vaccinated or show a negative test (taken within some short period of time, like a day). I know a lot of music venues are doing this, as well as some schools and businesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swift View Post
    More and more businesses and other things (at least in the US) are requiring that people either show they have been vaccinated or show a negative test (taken within some short period of time, like a day). I know a lot of music venues are doing this, as well as some schools and businesses.
    In France now, that is the rule for venues, cafes, restaurants, museums etc. Despite protests continuing. My USA friend who visited recently used a card (vaccination) successfully, the needed PCR test to fly was free, my UK NHS barcode worked every time. The newspapers say tests are now charged, but rules change regularly.
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    This sounds like good news regarding booster shots for those of us on “Team J&J”.
    There was a big antibody response.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/healt...ta/index.html?
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    We might have to get tested--the woman across the street from us whose son my kids play with apparently has it? At least, Sandy tried to go over there to play yesterday, which she'd been told she was not supposed to, and came home saying she has Covid, a word I'm not sure she knew. The adults have not informed us of this, you understand, and trying to figure out exactly what's going on and when the kids last saw her has been a challenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Extravoice View Post
    One of the metrics my state reports is the daily “positivity rate.” Currently it is around 5%.
    I think that means that 95% of people tested were negative. That means lots of unsick people are being tested. Who are these people, and why are they being tested?
    I suppose some people are regularly tested (healthcare workers, etc.), or people testing prior to medical procedures and such. But I’d think that most tests are people who think they might be sick. If that was the case, I’d expect the positivity rate to be much higher.
    What am I missing?
    That many tests are carried out on asymptomatic people, as a moderate gate-keeper function on certain activities requiring close contact, and that most people with fever and a cough don't have Covid, but need to be tested anyway.
    The WHO rule of thumb is that, unless you have a test positivity of less than 5%, you're not doing enough tests and your epidemic isn't under control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Extravoice View Post
    This sounds like good news regarding booster shots for those of us on “Team J&J”.
    There was a big antibody response.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/healt...ta/index.html?
    It was either Fallon or Kimmel who mentioned Pfizer taking advantage of being fully approved to launch an advertising campaign and start using a brand name for their vaccine. J&J is waiting for full approval but has their brand name already picked out, The Pfizer Vaccine.
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    Two days ago my province announced that starting September 13, a new COVID-19 vaccination card would be required for a range of public activities. BC is the third Canadian province to announce such a requirement.

    From CBC:
    "Initially, eligible British Columbians will require proof of one dose of vaccine. By Oct. 24, two doses will be required. The cards will be required for a wide range of non-essential recreational and social activities."

    Types of places requiring proof of vaccination:
    "indoor ticketed sporting events
    indoor concerts
    indoor theatre/dance/symphony events
    restaurants (indoor and patio dining)
    night clubs
    casinos
    movie theatres
    fitness centres/gyms (excluding youth recreational sport)
    businesses offering indoor high-intensity group exercise activities
    organized indoor events (e.g., weddings, parties, conferences, meetings, workshops)
    discretionary organized indoor group recreational classes and activities
    student housing on college and university campuses"

    The card won't be required in grocery stores or other retail settings, as transmission there has not been high.
    Also not required in places of worship. (!)

    Yesterday a province-wide mask mandate was announced, much as we had about two months ago. What a roller coaster.

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    My wife's rheumatologist has recommended she have a third shot, due to an immunosuppresive medication she takes. Probably tomorrow.
    Our county is having the most cases it has ever seen for the duration of the pandemic.
    Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.

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    Woot. Got my first shot today. (The shots my employer is organising are a month away so had booked through the regular public system.)

    All very calm and easy. Patient patients, and friendly staff. No alt-reality protesters in sight.

    A little irked to be walking to the end of the line (properly distanced) and have a security guard jump up to tell me to walk to the end of the line! No biggie.

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    ^Good news!

    Here, in response to the COVID-19 vaccination card announced at the start of the week, to be required for many "optional" activities, registrations and bookings have doubled over the previous week, with the biggest increase in the under-40 crowd.

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    My wife just got her third.
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    I've had it confirmed that the kids have not played with the boy across the street since their family was exposed. His dad says that he'd had both shots and his wife, who has tested positive, only had one. So far, the kid doesn't appear to have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
    My wife's rheumatologist has recommended she have a third shot, due to an immunosuppresive medication she takes. Probably tomorrow.
    Our county is having the most cases it has ever seen for the duration of the pandemic.
    Ours too. Yesterday, the case count was twice as high as the previous record. I'm first in line for the booster shot when they are authorized for the general public.

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    I've just encountered a new twist on the Mask of Invulnerability theme which has been playing out locally ever since the pandemic began. There have never been outdoor mask mandates in Scotland, and one rarely encounters a person wearing a face-covering in the street, except in the city centre where some people just keep their faces covered as they move from shop to shop. Outside of that setting, there has always been a significant minority of people in the street sporting face-coverings but ignoring physical distancing (exactly the reverse of what makes sense, in terms of transmission).
    So today I made a two-metre circuit around a woman wearing a surgical mask (as I would have done around a person not wearing a mask), only to have her shout after me, "You don't need to be scared because I'm wearing a mask!"
    I turned around to find that she had pursued me down the road and was now standing immediately behind me with her hands on her hips. I took a step back to open up some space, and she took a step forward saying, "I'll not kill you just because I'm wearing a mask!"
    I made a gesture of surrender and walked on. She followed me for a few more paces, shouted "I'm tired of people treating me like I'm a leper!" and then went off to do something else.
    She's clearly stressed out, and I'm sorry for her, but she'd have done a better job of not killing me if she'd just stood back a bit.

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    I thought I posted this already, but I don't see it.
    I've been tracking Worldometer data in a spreadsheet since March of 2020, and recently added a column to compare with the same day a year ago.
    Yesterday's new USA cases were four times the number from a year earlier and for the first time, deaths were also higher. Not good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
    I thought I posted this already, but I don't see it.
    I've been tracking Worldometer data in a spreadsheet since March of 2020, and recently added a column to compare with the same day a year ago.
    Yesterday's new USA cases were four times the number from a year earlier and for the first time, deaths were also higher. Not good.
    Just move to the diagonal corner of your county. Cases are high, but almost nobody dies there! It is incredible, in the purest sense of the word.
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    Not only does almost nobody die there, almost nobody lives there, either! Werewolves and vampires excepted, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
    Not only does almost nobody die there, almost nobody lives there, either! Werewolves and vampires excepted, of course.
    Ugh. Tapatalk auto corrected country to county, but that seems to work, too.
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    I just saw a post on the web page of science fiction author John Varley (Titan, Wizard, Demon, among others) that he and his wife have breakthrough COVID. Bad enough, but Varley is also 74, Type 2 diabetic, and just had quadruple bypass surgery earlier this year. Yeesh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by schlaugh View Post
    I just saw a post on the web page of science fiction author John Varley (Titan, Wizard, Demon, among others) that he and his wife have breakthrough COVID. Bad enough, but Varley is also 74, Type 2 diabetic, and just had quadruple bypass surgery earlier this year. Yeesh...
    Please define breakthrough in tis context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bknight View Post
    Please define breakthrough in tis context.
    Getting COVID even when vaccinated (or possibly if you had COVID before).

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    Quote Originally Posted by glappkaeft View Post
    Getting COVID even when vaccinated (or possibly if you had COVID before).
    Correct. I thought the use of the term "breakthrough" would have been self-evident but perhaps not. Varley and his wife were both inoculated against COVID.

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    The argument about when to 'open up' the country is now getting heated here. Something I am sure a number of you have encountered in your own countries. The vaccine supply problem is pretty close to ending as ordered shipments of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are coming in increasing numbers to back up the locally produced AstraZeneca vaccine. Also, the Govt. has organised vaccine 'swaps' with Singapore and the UK for some 4,500,000 surplus doses to be supplied immediately. This means that they will supply us with a quick burst of vaccine, some of which is getting close to the expiry date, and we will send the equivalent amount back to them in a few months once our supply situation is completely resolved.

    At present the intention is that restrictions will ease once 70% of the population over 16 is fully vaccinated and that lockdowns and state border closures will not be used once an 80% figure is reached. This will not mean a complete removal of all restrictions on one day. Masks mandates in certain situations, capacity restrictions and some other measures will continue. Currently just over 60% of the 'adult' population has had at least one dose and around 37% have had two doses. These are national figures and the vaccination rates in the two states with infections increasing rapidly are higher than in states, like mine, with no Covid currently in the community. It is anticipated that these targeted vaccination rates will probably be reached in late November with some states getting there earlier. The vaccination rate of those over 70 has already reached 88% for their first dose and 65% for the second dose.

    Unfortunately, as is always the case here, the various states cannot agree on exactly how all this will progress. The most populous states of NSW and Victoria which have been in lockdown with rising infection rates for a month or more are keener to follow the 70%/80% line very quickly. While the other states with no current community infections wish to keep border restrictions in place longer. They all know that Covid outbreaks are possible, or even probable, but want a higher vaccination baseline before removing some of their options. Also, for some of the states the new rules for opening up would actually mean an increase in local restrictions. For example some states currently have no mask requirements and there are no or only minor capacity restrictions in stadiums and so forth. Also some of the states wish to include all those over 12 in the 80% rate - vaccination has been approved for that age group. And some states wish to keep the option for border closures etc if infection rates soar in other states.

    So some more 'interesting' times are ahead.

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    If there is an app that checks barcodes for vaccinated people, it is possible to legislate that only vaccinated people can enter a premises with a person (or machine) at the door. Some other groups, like those who prove they have recovered, can be added. France is like that now for restaurants etc. While food shops just require masks and nominal distancing. (The last part is very variable.) Protests continue in Paris that claim that is unfair , I presume for anti-vaxers. The app check takes seconds, especially after people are used to finding their barcode. It is not an absolute check, but changes the statistics in favour of the hospital load. An example of mobile phone technology at work. I suppose an hard -to- forge paper certificate would work as well. But the app collects data too. Maybe that is what anti-vaxers are really worried about.
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    I am getting angrier and angrier that it's taking as long as it is to get the vaccine approved for children under twelve. I wanted Zane, at least, to have had his first shot by the time he started school. Obviously that won't be happening. I'd hoped to have my family fully vaccinated by the end of the year, and it doesn't seem likely that will be happening, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profloater View Post
    If there is an app that checks barcodes for vaccinated people, it is possible to legislate that only vaccinated people can enter a premises with a person (or machine) at the door. Some other groups, like those who prove they have recovered, can be added. France is like that now for restaurants etc. While food shops just require masks and nominal distancing. (The last part is very variable.) Protests continue in Paris that claim that is unfair , I presume for anti-vaxers. The app check takes seconds, especially after people are used to finding their barcode. It is not an absolute check, but changes the statistics in favour of the hospital load. An example of mobile phone technology at work. I suppose an hard -to- forge paper certificate would work as well. But the app collects data too. Maybe that is what anti-vaxers are really worried about.
    There is such an app (proving immunity or recent negative test) in my country, for use in restaurants and such. Its usefulness depends on how well it is checked on entry, of course. Some owners refuse to be the "covid-police", or simply avoid confrontations at the door for other reasons. Also, our's works by showing a QR code, and the first weekend clubs and disco's opened, entire groups of mostly youths entered on shared screenshots of one tested/vaccinated groupmember... which is how my (adult) oldest kid got Covid (and recovered OK). Still, if the usage of the app does reduce infections, despite the abuse, it serves its purpose. It seems to help, positive tests have remained stable for a month now. But maybe its usefulness must be seen more in getting people wanting to get vaccinated to get to use the app, not to see the app in directly preventing infections. (And yes, the anti-vaxers hate it, but they hate everything.)
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    To avoid the abuse slang noted, as I understand BC's soon-to-be-implemented system, a QR code and identification will be required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by profloater View Post
    If there is an app that checks barcodes for vaccinated people, it is possible to legislate that only vaccinated people can enter a premises with a person (or machine) at the door.
    That’s more or less how it’s done here. Vaccination is not required for restaurants, but additional restrictions apply to the unvaccinated (smaller group size, for example). So some restaurants have decided it’s just easier to refuse service to anyone unvaccinated.

    For a while now, just about every place has had a QR code posted, which one is supposed to scan prior to entry. At some restaurants, the staff look at the phone, to see the screen one gets after scanning the QR (for months or maybe a year now) and also to see the “vaccinated” symbol in the same app (this part is new). At others, they have some device and one just holds the phone up to it, and through some form of magic (Bluetooth?) one’s ID number, with most of the digits starred out, and some symbol indicating vaccination appears. (These devices seem only to have been around for a month or two.)

    Nobody ever checks ID cards, so I don’t see why an unvaccinated person couldn’t borrow or steal the phone of a vaccinated person. Or their login credentials.

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