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    The chances of the Atlantic bubble has been delayed for about a month now, Nova scotia starting Thursday morning there won't be any non essential travel allowed in for a month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Backroad Astronomer View Post
    The chances of the Atlantic bubble has been delayed for about a month now, Nova scotia starting Thursday morning there won't be any non essential travel allowed in for a month.
    Here is a local news clip that a saw earlier, basically some people won't follow the rules, there are reasons this might affect me.
    https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/video?cl...14&jwsource=cl
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    Was able to schedule Graham's appointment for Friday. My best friend got her first shot yesterday. In six weeks, since her partner's already had his first shot as well, we can actually get together as households.
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    The local weekly reports that my county has just had its third death, the first to actually occur in the county, and that cases are rising. Nuts.
    I'm dying to go to a restaurant for a meal. My wife forbids it. She's almost certainly right.
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    I'm concerned about the Oscars. I watch clips of The Late Show online, and Stephen Colbert's musical director, Jon Batiste, is one of the nominees for Soul. He says they're in quarantine, but he's also talking about the prospect of going out into LA and doing things, which is . . . not quarantine?
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    Perth and the surrounding districts have gone into a snap 3 day lockdown after another breach of hotel quarantine. Nobodies fault, but someone staying on the same floor who had the "UK variant" infected another person, via aerosol transmission, who was due to leave quarantine. The person leaving quarantine had tested negative before being released but then developed an infection a couple of days later. He then infected someone he stayed with after quarantine before he flew to another state. This was the first community infection in W.A outside quarantine for 12 months. No-one else has yet tested positive but all his close contacts including all those on the aircraft are now being tested and placed in a 14 day quarantine. Various state border closures and restrictions have occurred.

    Hotels are obviously not the best place for quarantine but there is little option but to use them. There is no way all returnees can be placed in hospitals and the old 'quarantine stations' have been closed for decades. One mothballed mining camp has been used for this task and it is possible similar facilities may be improvised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozduck View Post
    Nobodies fault, but someone staying on the same floor who had the "UK variant" infected another person, via aerosol transmission ...
    Ah, the old "aerosol transmission" line. "Honest, none of us has been anywhere near anyone else--it must have been that aerosol transmission did it, guv."

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    Quote Originally Posted by grant hutchison View Post
    Ah, the old "aerosol transmission" line. "Honest, none of us has been anywhere near anyone else--it must have been that aerosol transmission did it, guv."

    Grant Hutchison
    However, in the last few cases in hotel quarantine in three states it seems to be virtually the only option and has been accepted as such by the various Health Depts. The people are not allowed to mingle and the corridors are watched either by security guards on the floors or by CCTV to ensure they don't leave their rooms. No physical objects are passed between the rooms. In these cases the infection has occurred late in their quarantine period and often after several negative tests during the period in the hotel. For instance in this last case the person had tested negative after their 2nd and 12th day in quarantine so it is very unlikely they were infected before being placed in quarantine. Plus genomic testing has linked the cases.

    Aerosol transmission was certainly considered relatively unlikely early in the process here but has been of more concern of late. The hotel at the centre of this latest case has now been removed from use as a 'general' quarantine hotel because of deficiencies in the ventilation systems. The Australian Medicall Association has been raising concerns about aerosol transmission in these hotels for some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozduck View Post
    However, in the last few cases in hotel quarantine in three states it seems to be virtually the only option and has been accepted as such by the various Health Depts. The people are not allowed to mingle and the corridors are watched either by security guards on the floors or by CCTV to ensure they don't leave their rooms. No physical objects are passed between the rooms. In these cases the infection has occurred late in their quarantine period and often after several negative tests during the period in the hotel. For instance in this last case the person had tested negative after their 2nd and 12th day in quarantine so it is very unlikely they were infected before being placed in quarantine. Plus genomic testing has linked the cases.
    My apologies--reading around the topic suggests feelings are running high in Australia on this issue. I don't know the details of the specific cases, so shouldn't have made my joke. But "must have been aerosol transmission" is something of a running gag in these parts, uttered when it's completely bleedin' obvious that people have actually flagrantly broken the rules and suffered unfortunate consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grant hutchison View Post
    My apologies--reading around the topic suggests feelings are running high in Australia on this issue. I don't know the details of the specific cases, so shouldn't have made my joke. But "must have been aerosol transmission" is something of a running gag in these parts, uttered when it's completely bleedin' obvious that people have actually flagrantly broken the rules and suffered unfortunate consequences.

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    No apologies necessary - my feelings are completely undamaged I just thought that I should expand on my first comments. It is only lately that the 'official' response has begun to change to these sort of occurrences as it has became more probable that the infections were being spread via aerosols.

    And, in my local news, we have had yet another infection from this person who, probably understandably, seemingly made a point of visiting as many restaurants as possible after coming out of quarantine. So far all the cases have been asymptomatic so the people had no idea that they were infectious. This makes an extension of the lockdown more likely. It has already caused the cancellation of all the local ceremonies for ANZAC day tomorrow and I am pretty sure you know how significant that day is in Australia - and New Zealand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grant hutchison View Post
    My apologies--reading around the topic suggests feelings are running high in Australia on this issue. I don't know the details of the specific cases, so shouldn't have made my joke. But "must have been aerosol transmission" is something of a running gag in these parts, uttered when it's completely bleedin' obvious that people have actually flagrantly broken the rules and suffered unfortunate consequences.

    Grant Hutchison
    Are you referring to physical contact??

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    Quote Originally Posted by bknight View Post
    Are you referring to physical contact??
    Not particularly--just people spending a lot of time together in a group in the same room, and then claiming otherwise to contact tracers because they don't want to admit to breaking the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grant hutchison View Post
    Not particularly--just people spending a lot of time together in a group in the same room, and then claiming otherwise to contact tracers because they don't want to admit to breaking the rules.

    Grant Hutchison
    OK.

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    Some mutations and evolution on the virus from China

    Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine blood clot cases rise above 150 - but regulator says benefits still outweigh risk
    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/u...cases-20446903

    There has been scrutiny of the AstraZeneca vaccine on the issue of the very rare clots and some countries, including Britain, have recommended that only people over a certain age get the shot.
    https://winnipegsun.com/news/world/b...ts-rise-to-168

    There is an India B.1.617 variant possibly spreading rapidly after Hindu festival celebrations, the triple mutation variant has been named B1618.
    People are burning bodies in car parks mass cremation sites in public outside a store, the government has changed laws so you can bury someone in the back garden or in the front yard, it what seems to be desperation people are stealing oxygen, looting tank supplies, in some areas police and military provide escort to oxygen as supplies are kept secured.
    https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=93RsF_1619346062
    https://rumble.com/vfyf01-india-repo...f=6zof&mrefc=2
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/i...-b1837109.html
    https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavir...matoriums.html
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ES-higher.html
    India shot up, not really like a hockey stick but more straight up like a rocket.
    the mutation now arrives in Europe and Italy and Canada imposed travel ban on India.

    Japan to declare state of emergency ahead of Olympics
    https://www.newscientist.com/article...d-of-olympics/

    The failed herd immunity?
    ‘Sweden never had a formal coronavirus strategy’: Health Minister tells inquiry
    https://www.thelocal.se/20210410/swe...er-to-inquiry/

    During her questioning, Hallengren was asked several times why the government had never formally decided on a strategy, with several MPs expressing surprise and wondering aloud how health and other agencies could have been controlled by the government without a strategy.

    “How can the government run the country in the biggest crisis in modern times without having set a strategy,”

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    Hallengren argued that it had been impossible to predict at the start of the pandemic how quickly there would be shortages of personal protective equipment such as masks, gloves and visors for health personnel.

    “No one made a judgement that they would run out in 2-3 weeks,” she said.
    Trained Dogs Can Sniff Out Covid Positive Samples With 96% Accuracy: Study
    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/trai...-study-2415857

    Brazil's P1 coronavirus variant mutating, may become more dangerous -study
    https://news.yahoo.com/brazils-p1-co...143931728.html

    South Africa variant: Do vaccines work against SA variant? What is the concern about?
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/14...nt-concern-evg

    The United States will be sending personal protective equipment to India
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...id-19-variants


    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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    We had a non-masked, non-distanced visit from my niece today. All fully vaccinated and have been being careful.
    Meanwhile, this morning while updating my long-running spreadsheet, it occurred to me to go back and compare with a year ago. And having done that, just add a couple of columns for a running comparison.
    Current running average deaths are not much more than a third of what was happening a year ago. But the new cases are about 50% higher. Presumably that's due to improved treatments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
    Current running average deaths are not much more than a third of what was happening a year ago. But the new cases are about 50% higher. Presumably that's due to improved treatments.
    It can also depend on the age of the people getting sick. Most of the older population that wanted to be vaccinated is vaccinated, leaving younger people more likely to get it, and they are less likely to get seriously ill. But yes, I have had the impression that for the cases that go to the hospital, they’ve gotten better at heading off the worst problems, like an immune overreaction.

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    The Indian variant has been found in New Brunswick in the residence of UNB with several other cases and they have isolated the building and the University along with another one which is located right next to it have closed for 72 hours.
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    April truly is the cruelest month.

    Atlas Genomics confirmed I tested positive for SARS-Cov-2 yesterday, despite my having the Moderna jab done over two weeks ago. I had under two weeks to go until I got my second.

    Between this, shingles and the recent death of my sister, 2021 is making 2020 look like a banner year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selenite View Post
    April truly is the cruelest month.

    Atlas Genomics confirmed I tested positive for SARS-Cov-2 yesterday, despite my having the Moderna jab done over two weeks ago. I had under two weeks to go until I got my second.

    Between this, shingles and the recent death of my sister, 2021 is making 2020 look like a banner year.
    Sorry, Selenite. My condolences for your loss. Hope you recover from COVID soon.
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    Dang, Selenite. Our state had been doing pretty well. Now several counties are having to reintroduce restrictions, including, if I recall correctly, yours. (King, right?)
    And my wife just texted me of a superspreader event in Ferry County. Massive maskless party of idiots.
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    And our governor just deactivated almost all restrictions.

    *double sigh*

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    I just got word that my employer is going to start pulling people back into the office. In June, they plan on bring back 8-10 supervisors. They are currently working from home. Once they are settled back in to office life they can coordinate to bring back the hourly staff back in. In small groups, maybe in August. Someone asked if the office would be back to normal by the end of the year and the answer was flat no. I suspect the super slow motion return is designed to ease people back into the normal flow of the office. We've all been pretty isolated for a year. No need to scare off staff or stress people out.

    I just realized there is a medical outpatient facility still open in the same complex as the call center. I had thought they closed. In reality, they just got so cautious I didn't notice the small trickle of people in and out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schlaugh View Post
    And our governor just deactivated almost all restrictions.

    *double sigh*
    1) "Oh no, it's getting worse."
    2) "OK, let's (reluctantly) pass some restrictions."
    3) The restrictions work.
    4) "Hey, things are getting better! No need for those pesky restrictions anymore."
    5) "Oh no, it's getting worse."

    Lather, rinse, repeat.
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    For what it's worth, it's my understanding that having had the first shot makes you less likely to suffer a severe form of the illness.
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    The COVID-19 Discussion Thread (OTB)

    Our state has restarted giving the J&J vaccine. From what I could infer from the news report, it is mostly going to physicians offices and pharmacies. That makes sense for two reasons. First, it is easier for a small operation to handle than the other two approved vaccines. Second, it should be easier to address people’s concerns about the rare blood clot issue in a more personal setting than at one of the mass vaccination centers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selenite View Post
    April truly is the cruelest month.

    Atlas Genomics confirmed I tested positive for SARS-Cov-2 yesterday, despite my having the Moderna jab done over two weeks ago. I had under two weeks to go until I got my second.

    Between this, shingles and the recent death of my sister, 2021 is making 2020 look like a banner year.
    I'm very sorry Selenite
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    April 14th marked the end of our 2 week period after our 2nd Moderna shot. Since then we have eaten out at 3 restaurants and stayed at a Bay front hotel for one night. We wore masks in the restaurants and only removed them to eat, the waiters also wore masks. We will still continue to wear masks in any building we enter to shop, eat, etc even though we are inoculated, and will most likely continue to do so until the US is considered by health officials to have acquired herd immunity. Just hoping that those who refuse to get vaccinated will come around over the coming months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schlaugh View Post
    And our governor just deactivated almost all restrictions.

    *double sigh*
    Ours just tossed the majority of counties (majority by population, that is) back into the 'extreme risk' category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selenite View Post
    April truly is the cruelest month.

    Atlas Genomics confirmed I tested positive for SARS-Cov-2 yesterday, despite my having the Moderna jab done over two weeks ago. I had under two weeks to go until I got my second.

    Between this, shingles and the recent death of my sister, 2021 is making 2020 look like a banner year.
    So sorry, Selenite. A tough year indeed.

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    As of today, I am two weeks past my second shot. Any impulse I might have to go run out and do things will remain tempered by having to take my children with me. I'm hoping at least one of the vaccines gets approved for them soon.
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