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    Cislunar Space

    One of the fastest growing areas of space activities is Cislunar Space. This tread to be devoted to activities not only by the USA and China but also a host of other countries who have plans for missions to this area.

    Starting it off with n article from from "National Defense" titled "China’s Cislunar Space Ambitions Draw Scrutiny"

    https://www.nationaldefensemagazine....pace-ambitions

    Some members of the space community are sounding the alarm as China indicates it may seek to establish a commanding position in cislunar space, to include the area near the Moon’s orbit.

    Experts say China’s ambitious plans raise important questions about the national security implications of cislunar space — the areas beyond geosynchronous orbit.

    Rep. Doug Lamborn, R-Colo., warned in February that China intends to occupy the Moon. While the nation claims the base will be used for civilian purposes, Beijing’s civil-military fusion policy means that all civil work is intertwined with its military ambitions, he said.

    “The Chinese have said that they want to have a permanent presence [on the Moon] by 2024,” he said during a panel discussion at a Space Foundation event in February.

    “They very much have military thoughts in mind when it comes to what they could do with a permanent presence on the Moon and the ability to track things and see things from an unchanging platform that no one really has right now,” he added.
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    From The Earth To The Moon

    The Wikitionary definiion of cislunar is here:

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cislunar

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    Now another report "Sustaining Cislunar Space"

    https://www.leonarddavid.com/new-rep...islunar-space/

    What steps are necessary to establish a cislunar sustainability paradigm?

    A new publication underscores the fact that, as more nations become spacefarers and cislunar traffic increases, established and emerging players should employ lessons learned from operations in low Earth orbit and geosynchronous Earth orbit “to be better caretakers of the expanded orbital neighborhood.”

    The report — Cislunar Stewardship: Planning for Sustainability and International Cooperation – is available from the Center for Space Policy and Strategy, part of The Aerospace Corporation, a nonprofit organization that advises the government on complex space enterprise and systems engineering problems.
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    A cislunar gap? Maybe it would be good to joint with China and do some joint missions instead of competing? Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bknight View Post
    A cislunar gap? Maybe it would be good to joint with China and do some joint missions instead of competing? Just a thought.
    After a particularly aggressive series of Chinese military hacks of NASA, most US aerospace companies, etc. in April 2011, Congress instituted a ban on most NASA interactions with China. If there's a possible technology transfer, especially of ITAR* techs, it's a no-go.

    Congress (both partys) was on a hair-trigger over this as a result of tech transfers to China during/by the Clinton Administration & Loral during his second term.

    * International Traffic in Arms Regulations

    None of the funds made available by this Act may be used for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) or the Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) to develop, design, plan, promulgate, implement, or execute a bilateral policy, program, order, or contract of any kind to participate, collaborate, or coordinate bilaterally in any way with China ...
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    (c) ... shall not apply to activities which NASA or OSTP have certified pose no risk of resulting in the transfer of technology, data, or other information with national security or economic security implications to China or a Chinese-owned company.
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    When I worked, programming for a NASA contractor, we had to be careful sharing yesterday's weather data with a Canada-based software company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmordrid View Post
    None of the funds made available by this Act may be used for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) or the Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) to develop, design, plan, promulgate, implement, or execute a bilateral policy, program, order, or contract of any kind to participate, collaborate, or coordinate bilaterally in any way with China ...
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    (c) ... shall not apply to activities which NASA or OSTP have certified pose no risk of resulting in the transfer of technology, data, or other information with national security or economic security implications to China or a Chinese-owned company.
    Source of this quote?
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    Quote Originally Posted by docmordrid View Post
    After a particularly aggressive series of Chinese military hacks of NASA, most US aerospace companies, etc. in April 2011, Congress instituted a ban on most NASA interactions with China. If there's a possible technology transfer, especially of ITAR* techs, it's a no-go.

    Congress (both partys) was on a hair-trigger over this as a result of tech transfers to China during/by the Clinton Administration & Loral during his second term.

    * International Traffic in Arms Regulations
    I guess I should have included a rolled eyes at the end of my post.

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