Had an interesting conversation earlier today with an old friend. The infamous Candy. Of permanently banned fame. She wanted me to ask TPTB if she could come back. She misses it here and claims to be older and wiser.
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Had an interesting conversation earlier today with an old friend. The infamous Candy. Of permanently banned fame. She wanted me to ask TPTB if she could come back. She misses it here and claims to be older and wiser.
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I’m guessing OTB is the wrong place for this thread.
Of course, I have no say in this, but for those who started here after Candy was permanently (?) banned, by my recollection she was just fine most of the time and was a prolific poster that made the site more lively, but occasionally she would go completely off the rails. These incidents were seriously beyond the scope of the rules, with disappeared posts being the result, not things where people might reasonably debate if they were significant enough to warrant a ban.
I think the general suspicion is that she sometimes posted while impaired. My feeling is that before this should even be considered, she should be asked if she has whatever caused those incidents under control and especially if she has learned when to avoid the keyboard. Older and wiser, in my view, isn’t sufficient in itself, but certainly people can change behaviors.
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Thanks to the members who reported this thread.
Moved from OTB to Feedback.
The Moderation Team will discuss.
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But we've already "lost" her. She's banned. Unless you were worried about saying the wrong thing? ;-)Originally Posted by Chuck
I think it would be a good thing to give someone a second chance, on a case by case basis. But I imagine, given the way rules have been interpreted here lately, it would take some mental gymnastics to arrive at that conclusion.
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I think we should have a long, heated debate about whether or not a distant future continuation of a person is still the same person.
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The old “axe with a replaced handle and replaced head” paradox.
By the way, what does the title of this thread mean?
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"Candy" backwards. Return of Candy?
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Also a sock-puppet she once used, which was immediately banned. That makes three times.
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This is a tough question. As a long term member, I have seen many posters banned. Most deserved it. Some I felt uncomfortable about. One or two I wished they hadn't.
I like the long discussion idea. Can we kick this around for a while, with no snap decisions?
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So far, so good. I am not a heavy poster, but neither am I a lurker. Can we hear from some of the quiet people out there?
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Granted, I’m not one of the quiet ones, but I’m curious - what would you like to hear? An opinion on Candy coming back? Something else? Do you have an opinion you would like to state?
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Yes, I realized after posting that my request was too broad. This thread is about ydnac. My thought was, how many others will want to request reinstatement.
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I guesed that Ydnac was sweets flavored with L-sucrose.
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I do not know this person, but I just clicked on "Member List" and sorted by number of posts. The first page has 30 members, and the number who are banned is - well, surprisingly high. Banned after 10,000 or more postsI think if I stick around for 10,000 posts, there might be a few defects among them.
The person in question has the honour of heading up the second page, and is thus the first banned person on the second page.
So if the parole is approved, does this member get a "Formerly Banned" designation? Wear an ankle bracelet? I guess this is uncharted territory.
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This is charted territory; we have unbanned members before. Their designation will be "Member" or "Order of Kilopi", depending upon their number of posts, just like everyone else. The Moderation Team will probably be particularly mindful of their postings (call it "double-not-particularly-secret-probation" if you like).
Exactly correct.
General FYI - still being discussed in Moderation Land.
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She could end up being the only member with two lifetime bans.
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If she is a cat, she might end up with nine.
As above, so below
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No. After the BABB era when the BA ran things, there was a general amnesty for former banned posters (I think it was partly an issue with data not transferring with different BBS software). I remember at least a couple other posters that were banned on BABB and banned again on BAUT under conditions meant to be permanent. But keep in mind some or all of this took place before the suspension system
My recall after all this time is a bit fuzzy on this but I am quite sure Candy was banned at least twice with intentions it be permanent, with one of them by the BA.
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Candy was banned a little before my time and I've not taken the time to look into why the ban was imposed (and there's no reason why I would). So I don't know the history. Speaking generally then, I would support re-admitting banned members after a period. Perhaps CQ should replace the permanent ban with a really long suspension - five, ten years, whatever. As always, one factor in the decision-making should be the extra burden on the unpaid moderators and administrators.
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Could a mod perhaps contact her and discuss why things would be different this time? Presumably the originator of this thread could help arrange that.
ETA: I kind of recall that Phil Plait had a bit of an issue with Candy. He's not here any more.
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This is being done.
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Good to hear.
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That’s pretty similar to my suggestion above. It’s pretty clear that, for whatever reason, she would sometimes go off the rails. I have known people like that, in some cases they eventually find a way to deal with the underlying issues. In other cases, they don’t.
This board is getting too quiet, and from what I remember, most of the time Candy would be fine to have on the board, but if she hasn’t dealt with the issue, I would expect another ban sooner or later.
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For me, it got too quiet a couple of years ago. Now it's deathly quiet.
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Candy can definitely liven things u.
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I'm never happy about eternal bans, which imply an unresolvable state of personal hostility. But it is the way this board works, which we must accept, or go elsewhere.
I do wish I knew where those banned contributors who I did value - there are a few - now post.
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