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    Bad News: Boeing Tanker’s Flaws Irk Air Force, Spur $336 Million Holdback.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...llion-holdback
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    "As this article is written, it is inconceivable to consider Boeing, with record losses for 2020, would be in a position to launch the 797 within 12 months -- but 100 years ago the two-year Spanish flu that killed about 50 million was followed by the Roaring Twenties – a time of great prosperity."

    https://www.airlineratings.com/news/...ng-launch-797/

    (I think that comparing Boeing's situation to the Spanish flu pandemic is.... well, I would not have done it myself.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger E. Moore View Post
    "As this article is written, it is inconceivable to consider Boeing, with record losses for 2020, would be in a position to launch the 797 within 12 months -- but 100 years ago the two-year Spanish flu that killed about 50 million was followed by the Roaring Twenties – a time of great prosperity."
    Wow. WOW.

    Someone approved that for publication.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger E. Moore View Post
    Bad News: Boeing Tanker’s Flaws Irk Air Force, Spur $336 Million Holdback.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...llion-holdback
    And I just yesterday read an article in Aviation Week about how much better it is doing...
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    The 737 MAX – A Tragedy 60 years in the Making. "Where were you when the 737 hit the fan?"

    https://leehamnews.com/2021/02/02/th...in-the-making/
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    Boeing Wipes Away More Orders After Awful 2020. The aircraft manufacturer still hasn't stabilized its order backlog.

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    Boeing’s 737 MAX Scandal: A Review of Boeing’s Deception of the FAA (Part II of III)

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    I thought I saw a while ago that Boeing was leaving the Seattle-area location they'd been at for ages, but it's not mentioned here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delvo View Post
    I thought I saw a while ago that Boeing was leaving the Seattle-area location they'd been at for ages, but it's not mentioned here...
    They moved their corporate headquarters from Seattle to Chicago a long time ago. For no apparent reason. And are moving all 787 production to Carolina because non-union workers are always better than anybody with actual experience. They've also abandoned their longtime site in Wichita, KS, for the same sort of reasons.
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    Boeing’s New Big Plane Is Its Big New Problem. U.S. aerospace company last year booked $6.5 billion charge related to new 777X, citing Covid-19 pandemic and regulatory hurdles.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeings...em-11612529965
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    United Airlines returns the Boeing 737 Max to service, the second U.S. carrier to bring back the plane after two deadly crashes prompted a worldwide grounding in 2019.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/11/unit...grounding.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger E. Moore View Post
    Boeing’s New Big Plane Is Its Big New Problem. U.S. aerospace company last year booked $6.5 billion charge related to new 777X, citing Covid-19 pandemic and regulatory hurdles.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeings...em-11612529965
    "Regulatory Hurdles" is another way of saying "accountability".
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    Boeing 777 suffers engine failure

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    A United Airlines flight bound for Honolulu returned to Denver International Airport Saturday after suffering an engine failure with debris from the aircraft falling onto a Denver suburb.

    United Flight 328 returned safely to the airport around 1:30 p.m. after suffering an engine issue, an airport spokesman told CNN.

    The flight returned about 20 minutes after the police department in Broomfield, Colorado, said via Twitter that it had received reports that an airplane flying over the Denver suburb had engine trouble and had "dropped debris in several neighborhoods around 1:08 p.m."

    "No injuries reported at this time," according to the tweet.

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    The Federal Aviation Administration confirmed in a statement that a Boeing 777-200 safely returned to the Denver International Airport after "experiencing a right-engine failure shortly after takeoff."
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    And the homeowners who got a hole in their roof will sue Boeing, because deep pockets and all.
    Boeing doesn't make the engines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
    And the homeowners who got a hole in their roof will sue Boeing, because deep pockets and all.
    Boeing doesn't make the engines.
    Also, although I have no idea if this is true or not, given the circumstances (dropping engine pieces right after takeoff) it could plausibly have been a bird strike, and those things happen. I agree it's not necessarily a Boeing issue.
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    Actually, I just saw it on the news (it made the news in Japan...) It looked pretty nasty. And it said that the plane had reached cruising altitude when it happened, so forget my thoughts about bird strikes.
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    Boeing general news, because it's popular

    It wasn’t at cruise altitude. The engine components dropped over a town just north of Denver and inside the city’s beltway. Stories i read said they had reached 13,000 feet. Photos seem to show at least one fan blade snapped.

    https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/asse...-large-169.jpg

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    Has there been any information about which engine manufacturer it was?


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    Apparently it was Pratt & Whitney, but I’m not sure it’s been widely reported.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jens View Post
    Apparently it was Pratt & Whitney, but I’m not sure it’s been widely reported.


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    Yes, from Wikipedia:

    The failed engine was a Pratt & Whitney model PW4077 turbofan, a common configuration for the Boeing 777 and other wide body jets.[11]
    And video taken by a passenger:

    https://youtu.be/sBxe4cQzUIY

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    Juan Brown has a 22-minute video on the incident.

    ETA: And United is grounding 24 Boeing 777 aircraft with the P&W 4000 engine.

    (CNN Business)United Airlines is removing all of its Boeing 777 planes currently in service that are powered by Pratt & Whitney 4000 series engines after the Federal Aviation Administration called for stepped-up inspections.

    The airline announced Sunday it was immediately removing the planes "out of an abundance of caution." The 24 aircraft are part of the 52 777s in the United fleet. The other 28 remain in storage.

    The move is voluntary and temporary, United said, and should disrupt only "a small number of customers."

    The announcement came after the FAA issued an emergency order saying it would be stepping up inspections of Boeing 777 airplanes equipped with certain Pratt & Whitney PW4000 engines.
    Boeing reccommends operators suspend use of 777 and have them inspected.

    (Reuters) - Boeing Co said it recommended suspending the use of 777 jets with the same type of engine that shed debris over Denver at the weekend after U.S. regulators announced extra inspections and Japan suspended their use while considering further action.

    The moves involving Pratt & Whitney 4000 engines came after a United Airlines 777 landed safely at Denver International Airport on Saturday local time after its right engine failed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozduck View Post
    I keep reading suggestions of lubrication or gearbox oil but no-one seems to have offered a definitive answer.

    On an Australian forum that I am a member of there is someone with a fair bit of flying experience, Royal Australian Navy Skyhawk carrier pilot and QANTAS B747 and A380 Captain. (He was the Captain of the QANTAS B747 that had an emergency oxygen cylinder lose its valve do a bit of careering around the cabin and then depart through the fuselage floor.) His response was pretty much the same as yours so I guess we will have to wait for the various investigations to be completed.
    (Snipped from the Read That Again thread...)

    Juan Browne had another video update today and he didn't have a specific answer to the fire source; he said it could have been residual fuel, lubricants or hydraulic fluid. He also said if the vibration was bad enough for long enough then the engine mounts are designed to shear and release the engine - without destroying the wing.

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