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    Dont you guys think its just STUPID of what people can sue and go to jail for? You offend a gay you can have to pay them or go to jail for it! Hate crimes (the true ones :: Murder, Theft, ect. ect.) should be outlawed but not that offensive stuff (name calling, ect. ect.) Its just plain stupid.

    In australia in a CHRISTIAN church a muslim woman was in the crowd when the preacher started talking about the only way into heaven (Jesus) and the woman was apparently offended and he was fined 1000 bucks aswell as being sent to jail for a MONTH.

    Is something wrong with this world or what? #-o

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    Is there an article somewhere about this?

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    It was on that "700 Club" thing.. Check their site's archives.

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    Dont you guys think its just STUPID of what people can sue and go to jail for? You offend a gay you can have to pay them or go to jail for it! Hate crimes (the true ones :: Murder, Theft, ect. ect.) should be outlawed but not that offensive stuff (name calling, ect. ect.) Its just plain stupid.
    It does seem silly that a non-Christian would willingly walk into a Christian church and then be offended by what it preaches, but your comment about hate crimes is a politically loaded one, and at least in the US, a divided topic, because it's open to sometimes vague interpretations, and there are two sides to the coin about the purpose of hate crime laws. Depending on what side one is on, it's probably best to leave alone, or at least I'll leave it alone, lest someone be offended.

    However, a non-political silly thing is that where I live, I can't swear in public and can be possibly arrested for it if I do. A customer was once relating a story to me and using the F-word as it was used in the original incident. A cranky policeman went after him outside and told him he could arrest him for using that language in public, though the law is specifically that someone has to be offended. So, if there were other customers in the office who were offended, my customer could have been arrested. If no one was offended, then not. Policemen can't be offended, so I or anyone, can swear at them all we want, though that won't win any brownie points with them. My customer called my boss and was embarrassed and upset by this. All the other policemen would have never done it, just this one is a bit over-zealous at times. Imagine going to jail for swearing. That's the law, though.

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    :-?

    Wow, and some think the FCC is bad.

    What county is this, and who decides what is and isn't a swearword?

    As for the OP, Melusine basically said my thoughts on the matter.

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    Fu, Freaki, Sh, Fa, Da, God, Jesus, Da-it, Hell, Que; Those are the common ones, Cut short where needed.

    God, and Jesus used with any of the above words or just used, EX: "Oh my god", are considered curse words, GD and God / Jesus + any of the others is Blaspheme.

    Blame my christian parents :roll:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Kidd
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    Wow, and some think the FCC is bad.

    What county is this, and who decides what is and isn't a swearword?

    As for the OP, Melusine basically said my thoughts on the matter.
    I'll try look it up online, or PM you the town here in the good 'ol USA. But there are lots of bizarre, antiquated laws on the books. I know CT has tried to clean up some of their old blue laws. Look at this site, it's not a joke, I looked into Florida ~ gasp~ Look and see: http://www.lawguru.com/weird/part01.html

    I was as shocked as my customer when he called back to tell, and my boss had a talkin' with the policeman. I was looking around when he used the F-word and even told him to lower his voice, but there was only one other person in there and I'm not sure she was even paying attention. Said cop could have found a better way to let him know. But again, this one is known for doing things like that, and has angered a lot of our customers in the past--the others weren't like that.

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    This swearing law sounds like it might not be in accordance with the Constitution, though if it's a city bylaw, I'm not really sure the city council counts as "congress".

    You can't sue someone for simply being offensive. You have to demonstrate that you've somehow lost money to get money from a court, either directly, or via a tarnished reputation. This Australian thing sounds like a false rumor. Though, if it isn't, I should board the next flight to Sydney Major and start suing Bible publishers. That book offends me beyond belief, so I'd make a fortune.

    Hate speech is illegal in Canada, and for good reason. It makes those targeted by it feel unsafe, and can encourage violant actions against them, or by them. If I say "Kill the ___", I'm going to end up behind bars, and rightfully so.

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    After taking Business Law, all I can say is there is a law for just about everything. It amazes me at how you can literally fight something with a law passed 50 years ago and win. Geez, I've been voicing Union Reform (after Welfare Reform) for the last 5 years. Perhaps, I will start voicing Law Reform. Oh, how I love to be an instigator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolver
    It was on that "700 Club" thing.. Check their site's archives.
    Err, Revolver? You do know (or ought to know) that the 700 Club is the quasi-Christian equivalent of tinfoil-hat-wearing woowoos. Pat Robertson and their ilk aren't exactly the sanest people in the universe. Therefore, unless this particular story is reported in one of the mainstream news agencies, I will remain skeptical about its veracity.

    - Maha "from misinformation to misunderstanding" Vailo

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    Re: Bad Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Candy
    After taking Business Law, all I can say is there is a law for just about everything. It amazes me at how you can literally fight something with a law passed 50 years ago and win. Geez, I've been voicing Union Reform (after Welfare Reform) for the last 5 years. Perhaps, I will start voicing Law Reform. Oh, how I love to be an instigator.
    I always held to the idea that if I ran for political office, there would be two planks in my platform.

    1. No new laws.
    2. Get rid of existing bad and obsolete laws.

    Of course most of the folks in Congress are lawyers, which profession is what most will return to after they leave Congress. So it is in their best post-Congressional interest to keep making new laws. Sort of future job security. :roll:

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    Re: Bad Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Revolver
    Dont you guys think its just STUPID of what people can sue and go to jail for? You offend a gay you can have to pay them or go to jail for it!
    Then you've just offended me, so you owe me a ton of money! Go directly to jail, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

    Hate crimes (the true ones :: Murder, Theft, ect. ect.) should be outlawed but not that offensive stuff (name calling, ect. ect.) Its just plain stupid.
    Is it? This isn't about just saying nasty things about someone. It's about trying to degrade a group of people and drive them out of society. Also, you may want to qualify what you mean in "etc. etc."

    As others have said, the 700 Club isn't a reliable source. For <diety>'s sake, they had a "report" once about how the flood occurred because the Earth's crust sits on a gigantic, planetwide body of freshwater that broke through due to gods will, and then retreated back into the planet after 40 days!

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    Re: Bad Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Revolver

    In australia in a CHRISTIAN church a muslim woman was in the crowd when the preacher started talking about the only way into heaven (Jesus) and the woman was apparently offended and he was fined 1000 bucks aswell as being sent to jail for a MONTH.

    Is something wrong with this world or what? #-o
    Yeah, there's something wrong with the world alright, and the thing that's wrong with it is people who spread ridiculous stories like this one. I'm Australian and I haven't heard the slightest thing about this. It would have been front page news. It never happened. It's a lie. Stick to facts, fella and stop spreading garbage fairytales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kesh
    [edit]As others have said, the 700 Club isn't a reliable source. For <diety>'s sake, they had a "report" once about how the flood occurred because the Earth's crust sits on a gigantic, planetwide body of freshwater that broke through due to gods will, and then retreated back into the planet after 40 days!
    Did they mention anything about turtles with heavily-loaded backs swimming in there? You know, lots of turtles, all the way down? :wink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melusine
    ...A cranky policeman went after him outside and told him he could arrest him for using that language in public, though the law is specifically that someone has to be offended...
    That's the way sexual harrassment was presented in an employee/management meeting recently; even tho neither of the conversation's participants are offended, a third party who overhears what is said, if offended, can bring charges. Lots'a whispering going on now... :wink:

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    Re: Bad Law

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolver

    In australia in a CHRISTIAN church a muslim woman was in the crowd when the preacher started talking about the only way into heaven (Jesus) and the woman was apparently offended and he was fined 1000 bucks aswell as being sent to jail for a MONTH.

    Is something wrong with this world or what? #-o
    Yeah, there's something wrong with the world alright, and the thing that's wrong with it is people who spread ridiculous stories like this one. I'm Australian and I haven't heard the slightest thing about this. It would have been front page news. It never happened. It's a lie. Stick to facts, fella and stop spreading garbage fairytales.
    Ditto Paulie Jay.There was a recent incident where a muslim school student was warned over breaching school uniform rules by wearing traditional muslim clothing whilst at school without a letter of permission from her parents, but this was settled amicably by all parties.

    The incident described did not hit the papers or the talkback psychos, and it most certainly would have had it truly occurred. My money is on a complete fabrication. :roll:

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    Texas is known for using some of its obscure laws, as you probably know from the most recent and prominent case involving two gay men in Houston that went to the Supreme Court, which thankfully, ruled in their favor. Some of the old laws regarding sexual practices are utterly ridiculous, such as that in Florida regarding what couples can engage in--why aren't these things taken off the books? The problem is when these laws are used to target people, as in the case above, because someone is disgruntled over something. It makes people's lives a mess for a while.
    See this: http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/11/obscenity.trial.reut/ There was a little more to it, I learned from other sources, and these complainers were ticked off at this woman about something else altogether. I do remember reading the statute online, but c'mon, this was pathetic. I commend those states cleaning up their books.

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    Revolver, I'm not trying to pile on here, simply offering some advice. In one of your posts you suggest you will be able to vote for the first time in 2008 so I'll take a guess at your age. Please take this advice as you would from from a kindly, but cynical and world weary, uncle.

    Beware anything in the media where a headline suggests someone has received X million dollars from the Megacorporation for trauma suffered due to a badly folded napkin. Raising an action is straightforward and so is making a claim for X million. When, IF, the case ever goes to proof, if successful, the pursuer may be awarded much less. Even then, that sum is often reduced further on appeal and the lower figure doesn't make the headlines or even the news. There are a number of sites which cover these claims, www.snopes.com used to do it well, but I haven't been there for a while.

    The Scottish Law Society Journal (unfortunately not on line) reviewed the most famous "cases" and couldn't find one where the final award was anything like the usual sum quoted usually by at least one order of magnitude, and in many cases (the Winnebago cruise control case springs to mind) there is no evidence that it ever existed.

    There are bad laws, but there are also unscrupulous journalists who will use misleading or false headlines which are then disseminated across the internet. Please check reliable sites before you believe what you read in an e-mail or on a site with an axe to grind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarongsong
    Quote Originally Posted by Melusine
    ...A cranky policeman went after him outside and told him he could arrest him for using that language in public, though the law is specifically that someone has to be offended...
    That's the way sexual harrassment was presented in an employee/management meeting recently; even tho neither of the conversation's participants are offended, a third party who overhears what is said, if offended, can bring charges. Lots'a whispering going on now... :wink:
    When our office went to the training, we all failed. That's not to make light of sexual harassment, for some it's a pernicious and destructive problem, but in a small office we all knew where we stood. There was this one outsourced employee, however, who had this habit of looking at womens' chests while talking, but I found my own way to deal with that, and it stopped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristophe
    This swearing law sounds like it might not be in accordance with the Constitution...
    Nope, entirely Constitutional. "Free speech" means the right to express your opinion. That does not give you carte blanche to lie, slander, or to use what Society considers foul language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim
    Quote Originally Posted by Kristophe
    This swearing law sounds like it might not be in accordance with the Constitution...
    Nope, entirely Constitutional. "Free speech" means the right to express your opinion. That does not give you carte blanche to lie, slander, or to use what Society considers foul language.
    You can lie all you want. I can sit here and talk to you about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny all day long if I want. Congress isn't going to stop me. Lible and slander are covered by different laws, which deal with damaged reputations and/or lost incomes due to lies or unfounded rumors. You're more than free to say them -- the government can't and won't stop you -- but the person you're defaming can take you to court in an attempt to discredit you and recover lost income. If uttering obscenities is a crime down there, I hope Showcase, Bravo, HBO, Showtime, or even the bloody CBC don't have a big audience. Someone might notice. If people are worried about being offended, then perhaps they should start caring about what some people out there are actually saying, instead of the words they're using to say it.

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    I may get myself in in a bit of trouble here, but I've always had trouble with the concept of hate crimes. So... if someone ends up killing me because he wants my wallet with $40 in it, why is this different from killing me because of my race, or sexual preference. Either way since I am now deceased so it probably makes very little difference to me.

    I don't like hate by any means, but beating, robbing, killing... it all seems pretty bad to me regardless of motive. If I am strung up and tortured by some psychopath who has nothing against me personally, but just likes the act of torture am I suppose to feel better than if that person tortured me because of my beliefs. I think I would be pretty upset either way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker
    I may get myself in in a bit of trouble here, but I've always had trouble with the concept of hate crimes. So... if someone ends up killing me because he wants my wallet with $40 in it, why is this different from killing me because of my race, or sexual preference. Either way since I am now deceased so it probably makes very little difference to me.
    Good question. The black fellow that robbed me of $40 bucks was not doing it for hate. I could tell he wasn't a bad kid (this while he pointed a gun at me). The police said it was most likely a fraternity initiation.

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    Whoa, like a university fraternity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Supreme Canuck
    Whoa, like a university fraternity?
    Yep, Ball State University. I worked at Domino's making pizza's at a store located on campus.

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    Wow. This is why I don't like frats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Supreme Canuck
    Wow. This is why I don't like frats.
    He was a good kid, just stuck with an unfortunate "fraternity" initiation. I knew he was good, but damn, the whole situation was freaking scary.

    Sororities and Fraternities are good for the most part. I had my chance to pledge, but decided against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy
    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker
    I may get myself in in a bit of trouble here, but I've always had trouble with the concept of hate crimes. So... if someone ends up killing me because he wants my wallet with $40 in it, why is this different from killing me because of my race, or sexual preference. Either way since I am now deceased so it probably makes very little difference to me.
    Good question. The black fellow that robbed me of $40 bucks was not doing it for hate. I could tell he wasn't a bad kid (this while he pointed a gun at me). The police said it was most likely a fraternity initiation.
    One wonders about the ethics of a fraternity that would assign such a task to a pledge.

    Do you suppose they donated the proceedings to charity? Or did it finance their next kegger?

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    I'd bet on the latter being true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donnie B.
    One wonders about the ethics of a fraternity that would assign such a task to a pledge.

    Do you suppose they donated the proceedings to charity? Or did it finance their next kegger?
    I hate to add this, but it was a black fraternity. I know the kid was good, because he didn't shoot me. He had a silly smile on his face like it was all a joke. It sure scared me. I wonder if I will ever meet this person again.

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