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    If you must call, don't drive.

    Interesting new law in MN, USA. Can't use the phone while driving, IF you are a teenager. Highlights are:

    <> Traffic accidents are the leading cause of death for MN teens.
    <> 16 year olds are 3 times as likely to die in a car accident than 18 & 19 year-olds (that's a tough learning curve).
    <> Comparitve reaction times of teens versus adults while on the phone and not on the phone.

    http://www.startribune.com/587/story/152738.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmerjumperdon
    16 year olds are 3 times as likely to die in a car accident than 18 & 19 year-olds (that's a tough learning curve).
    I've heard this general statistic before, and it always makes me wonder if they correct for driving experience.

    That is, is the accident/death rate for 16-year-old first-year drivers that much higher than 18-year-old first-year drivers? Or 30-year-old first-year drivers, for that matter?

    Generally, I've got no problem with a law against talking on the phone while driving, but I think it should be generally applicable and not just to teenagers.
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    Feh, if they're going to go that route, why not write up a law that prevents women from driving when they have kids in the car with them?

    You want to talk about some distracted and inconsiderate driving...for some reason they think the world owes them a lane when they've got their precious little bundles of joy in the back seat.

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    Statistics can be used in almost anyway. I once heard someone say that 25% of all traffic accidents are caused by drunk drivers. Well, that means that 75% are caused by sober people, so therefore, your'e safer driving with a drunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superluminal
    Statistics can be used in almost anyway.
    See the life on mars thread.

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    It's been the law in Australia for years - can't use a mobile while driving. "Hands free" is deemed ok though.

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    I think it is a good thing to put a law against driving and talking on the phone. I have heard of many accidents caused by that. But i dont think it should be put only on teenagers either. Talking on a phone well driving will distract anybody not only a teenager. It is best just to pull over while you talk on the phone.



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    Quote Originally Posted by paulie jay
    It's been the law in Australia for years - can't use a mobile while driving. "Hands free" is deemed ok though.
    Even though studies show it doesn't make that much difference - it's the splitting of concentration that's the real problem.
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    Well,that's always been my belief. Hands free, hands on, you're still distracted.

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    I agree, as well. In-hand or hands-free...it's bad news.

    What about those GPS/DirectionFinder machines? If everyone generally agrees that watching television while driving is a bad idea, wouldn't focusing on a small screen for directions be just as troubling, no matter where on the dash you mount it.

    One would assume that if a driver needs to use one, they already have a small (or large )portion of their attention devoted to figuring out where they're going.

    I know they do have versions that talk, but let's face it, it's human nature to look at the source of information, especially when it comes to geographical assistance.

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    I'd like to know how dash mounted DvD players get approval through state regulations...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doodler
    Feh, if they're going to go that route, why not write up a law that prevents women from driving when they have kids in the car with them?

    You want to talk about some distracted and inconsiderate driving...for some reason they think the world owes them a lane when they've got their precious little bundles of joy in the back seat.
    Oh, yes, because men are never distracted while driving with their kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doodler
    I'd like to know how dash mounted DvD players get approval through state regulations...

    that's bugged me - they're *Supposed* to be map-only, bu tthey never are.

    I don't think Colorado/Denver has gone to 'no phones while driving', but I could be wrong. We DO have a new law, though, that I'm still pondering in my copious free time.

    first year, underage, drivers are not allowed to drive unless there is an adult in the car, or unless all the passegers are family members. I think this limitation lasts for 6 months

    (I just heard about it on the radio coming to work this morning - some kid was driving, crossed centerline, killed at least 2 passengers in his car while receiving light injuries himself. All kids in car were under 18, and none was family member)

    Gillianren - of course not. The little monsters are afraid of us! they're always quiet for me

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    Are Men Better Drivers than Women?
    So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulie Jay
    It's been the law in Australia for years - can't use a mobile while driving. "Hands free" is deemed ok though.
    Quote Originally Posted by ToSeek
    Even though studies show it doesn't make that much difference - it's the splitting of concentration that's the real problem.

    I agree. I was talking on a hands-free the other day, and missed the exit that I take every day. I obviously was distracted. I'm working on being a better, more patient driver, and that will include avoiding talking on the phone while driving. I have to realize that the phone call can wait until I've gotten to my destination. I rarely drive anywhere that takes longer than a half hour anyway. And if I really have to make or take a call, I should wait until I can pull over safely and do it then. So many times I see a driver on the road not paying attention, and usually they are on the phone!

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    I believe stricter laws regarding phone use are (unfortunately) very necessary. I don’t particularly like having to say that, more restrictions and government interference…blah, blah, blah. But, it just seems like I’ve had to become much more defensive in my driving in recent years. Going to work, it seems like there is always somebody pulling out in front of my vehicle forcing me into a dangerous break situation, going from 45mph or 50mph down to 10mph or a to almost a dead stop! I had to break so severely yesterday that my tires screeched and I almost ended up going on the side walk. And there they go, driving off talking into the cell phone. Whew, off rant.

    Yep, two pet peeves while driving, pulling out in front of someone when you could wait and extra 5 seconds for them to safely pass and not using turn signals for lane changes or…actual turns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulie jay
    It's been the law in Australia for years - can't use a mobile while driving. "Hands free" is deemed ok though.
    It's the same in the UK, "hands-free" only

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToSeek
    Even though studies show it doesn't make that much difference - it's the splitting of concentration that's the real problem.
    And yet, interestingly enough, studies show that talking to a passenger who is physically in the car is not as distracting as talking to someone on the phone.

    I wonder why that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulie jay
    It's been the law in Australia for years - can't use a mobile while driving. "Hands free" is deemed ok though.
    Same here in the Netherlands, but there is talk about banning "Hands free" as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanF
    I've heard this general statistic before, and it always makes me wonder if they correct for driving experience.

    That is, is the accident/death rate for 16-year-old first-year drivers that much higher than 18-year-old first-year drivers? Or 30-year-old first-year drivers, for that matter?

    Generally, I've got no problem with a law against talking on the phone while driving, but I think it should be generally applicable and not just to teenagers.
    I agree on the statistic, I heard it before and there was no information on whether they were just looking at experience, or if they took other factors into account such as slippery roads car trouble etc.

    And they should block cell phone use for everyone. They have been trying to ban teenagers from using a cell phone while driving here in MA but I'm not sure if they passed it or not.

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    The link doesn't work for me, but I wonder if anyone knows more about the element "Comparitve reaction times of teens versus adults while on the phone and not on the phone"? Because the last study into the effect I heard showed that people who play a lot of videogames were better able to cope with the multitasking required to both talk and drive than those who didn't on average, and a vague guess would have teens as more likely to be in the former group than adults.

    Personally, I only use the phone to inform my relatives that I'm sitting in a jam and so will be late; at that point my stationary car isn't going to hit anyone in a hurry.

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    You should see my dad... he has tried to send text messages while driving, scared the fecal matter out of me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanF
    And yet, interestingly enough, studies show that talking to a passenger who is physically in the car is not as distracting as talking to someone on the phone.

    I wonder why that is.
    Speaking as a frequent passenger, I'd guess it's because the passenger is also watching for exits, other cars, cops, etc. Certainly I do. There are also two interchanges in our area where I don't talk to my friend Heather while she's driving. (One, the one by our apartments, is referred to as "the big scary onramp of death.") However, the person with whom you're on the phone can't see that tree that's about to leap out in front of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickal555
    You should see my dad... he has tried to send text messages while driving, scared the fecal matter out of me...









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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy
    I've heard about your driving although I've never had the pleasure of being a passenger in a car driven by you. However, you know how I drive and have a tendency to get lost (do you think that was unintentional?).

    I don't know about those studies but some of the worse drivers in this town are inevitably female.

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    I've never seen any studies, either, but here in Denver, there doesn't appear to be any bias/tendency toward any one segment of the population or another. Except locals.

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    Apparently people on a mobile phone while driving have to concentrate more because the phone keeps switching towers as you drive, this reduces the quality and you have to concentrate more to hear what is being said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanF
    And yet, interestingly enough, studies show that talking to a passenger who is physically in the car is not as distracting as talking to someone on the phone.

    I wonder why that is.
    I've often wondered that too. I reckon it becasue of the fact that when you are using a phone you tend to make more effort to concentrate on listening, to the detriment of the other senses. Also, in the case of holding the phone close to your ear, the speaker fires the talking directly into your ear - it's like it takes over as the primary stimulus.

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    You know, there's one tendency I find equally pronounced in men and women: the tendency to turn everything into a tirade about the shortcomings of the opposite sex, usually in the form of sweeping and barely accurate generalizations. IMHO, there's one generalization that applies to everyone: that it is foolhardy to paint all members of a sex with the same brush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gullible Jones
    You know, there's one tendency I find equally pronounced in men and women: the tendency to turn everything into a tirade about the shortcomings of the opposite sex, usually in the form of sweeping and barely accurate generalizations. IMHO, there's one generalization that applies to everyone: that it is foolhardy to paint all members of a sex with the same brush.
    From the link I provided, by an Insurance Company no less, the statistics disagree with you. I didn't intend to find such evidence, but when I did, I just had to post it.

    Argue all you want; however you'd be hard-pressed to find documented proof that men are superior to women as drivers. But make no mistake – gender certainly does impact driving habits and insurance industry observers believe that issue manifests in other ways, too.
    I wonder why no one's ever sued an Insurance Company for being prejudice.

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