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    A plea to mutants with superpowers

    Now I don't want you to take this the wrong way, but will you please please please stop yer whingeing!

    If having a superpower means you've got an ugly bulgy bit where your brain is oversized, or something like that, then I can understand your moaning. But if you are completely normal in appearance (and chances are you're better than normal-looking) then do us all a favour and stop complaining.

    I am sick of people from the likes of Mutant X or The X-Men going on and on about how everybody thinks they're a freak because they can levitate or see through walls or read minds or are unusually strong. Yeah, well boo-hoo. You don't see people with normal chromosomes going off on an angst trip just because they've got a bit of talent: "Oh why did God curse me by making me a virtuoso violinist?"

    Or are we meant to be impressed by the supposed irony? Or is it a way of keeping us norms in our place? "Wow, this woman is beautiful and she's got controllable telekinetic powers, and yet she's less happy than I am! Hey, perhaps I should be more content with my lot."

    Well I for one am not impressed.

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    Well, in fairness to the X-Men, I think they had every right to complain since their 'freakishness' was leading people to assume they were dangerous and try to lock them up or kill them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Beardsley View Post
    ...You don't see people with normal chromosomes going off on an angst trip just because they've got a bit of talent: "Oh why did God curse me by making me a virtuoso violinist?"...
    You obviously never watched American Idol.

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    That's funny. I was just looking at the game "Bullet Witch" in my local Game shop, on their demo machine.

    Miss Witch leaps around, using "force" powers and blasting everything in site....

    She is "burdened by special abilities"... "she never aked for" (quoting from memory).

    She is " the only one who can fight the Demon's that threaten Earth" (...again?!)...."using her demons within".

    It looks like it has had a Japanese Manga artist working on it, judging by the credits...so you can imagine the comically overblown concepts in it...lol!

    She'd make a cool girlfriend if you could separate her from her gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Barney View Post
    She is "burdened by special abilities"... "she never aked for" (quoting from memory).
    "It's a gift, and a curse"... Adrian Monk.

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    If you are normal in appearance 9like an X man) then why worry? if you don't use your superpower who is to know?

    it never bothered Superman that much (well in his original form)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Beardsley View Post
    I am sick of people from the likes of Mutant X or The X-Men going on and on about how everybody thinks they're a freak because they can levitate or see through walls or read minds or are unusually strong.
    That would be one of the major sources of conlicts between the X-Men and the Morlocks (a colony of muntants too deformed to "pass" as human).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEOWatcher View Post
    "It's a gift, and a curse"... Adrian Monk.
    I love Monk.

    Quote Originally Posted by captain swoop View Post
    If you are normal in appearance 9like an X man) then why worry? if you don't use your superpower who is to know?

    it never bothered Superman that much (well in his original form)
    Mutant detection devices which exist or don't exist according to the needs of the plot and whim of the writers.

    (don't get me started on a rant about it unless you reeeeeeally want to hear it)

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    Well, when your name is "The Strangelet" you get put on a mirror matter planet and no one wants to shake hands with you...

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    One of the ethical difficulties presented by "x-men" is that their powers often put them beyond the ability of "normal" human beings to contain, should the x-man decide to use their powers for evil; while at the same time these x-men show no indication of having any greater moral fiber, self-discipline, or humanitarian instinct than any regular human being.

    Like the rest of us, they may mean well but do harm, lose their tempers, rush to judgement with faulty information, or be taken in by clever charlatans with wicked motives.

    Consider, for example, the life-safety of an important political figure. A cadre of human bodyguards can take reasonable steps to protect their principal against any normal human who wishes to circumvent the democratic process or disregard the moral injunctions against murder by assassinating the principal.

    But against an x-man of a certain caliber, there is no normal human defense. We are left entirely at the mercy of the x-man's goodwill and tolerance, from moment to moment.

    How would the Secret Service protect the President against Charles Xavier, if he ever decided to use his awsome mind control powers for evil? How could we possibly defend ourselves against Magneto, if no mutant of good will and great power stepped forward to defend us? What reason have we to accept a teleporter's parole, when we have no real safeguard against that teleporter's all too human propensity to change his mind in the heat of the moment?

    Our greatest weapons and most dire technolgical horrors are strictly controlled, and we put great effort into screening and supervising those we would allow to control or use them. But there is no governing the allocation of mutant superpowers, and no worthwhile oversight that does not greatly violate the human rights of these mutants.

    The ethical dilemma is this: we cannot trust them not to become monsters. We cannot save ourselves if they do become monsters. We cannot prevent the possibility of them becoming monsters, unless we become monsters ourselves.

    I don't have an answer to this one, which is why I am profoundly grateful that superpowers only exist in comic books, where there seems to be a general parity between superheroes and supervillains.

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    Paul,
    Really, it is a very small minority of normal-looking, superpower mutants (NLSPMs) that have this whiny problem. Most of us are quite content in our lives, and are able to enjoy our vast powers without getting all tangled up in these emotional issues. It is much like you normals, most of you are quite content with your drab, normal lives, and we only have to worry about a small minority of ones who complain about their "normalness".

    Oh, but silly me, I might have gone on too much about all that. Nevermind.
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    Hmm... I remember Jean Grey and Wolverine and in that matter....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whirlpool View Post
    Hmm... I remember Jean Grey and Wolverine and in that matter....
    Exactly. Everybody who comes at all near the vaunted "nuclear football" is registered, vetted, closely supervised... and denied even this privilege if they do not pass various rigorous tests.

    Jean Grey, meanwhile, is born with her finger on a button of equal (or greater) destructive power, with no independent oversight or control, and look how she reacts to the suggestion that this is perhaps not a wise arrangement.

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    as a rule i avoid 'super hero' or 'mutant' type comics and film

    to tell the truth I never read a comic, well apart from those peculiar British things like Victor, Eagla and Warlord which were more or less about WW2 apart from Dan dare or Roy of the Rovers.
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    Anything that makes you feel isolated can feel like a curse whether it is or not.

    I have an IQ of about 165. It sounds really good, but for one, no one around me (except my best friend of the similar IQ) really understands. I can meet people all day and not expect to meet one with my IQ or higher. I have this entire aspect of myself--arguably one of the most important--that I can't really share with much of anyone. My boyfriend (probably about 110) doesn't get it.

    Part of the problem is probably that I have a really high IQ and a complicated mental illness, of course, but either way. And no one wants to kill me for either of those.

    Though I have to admit, there's not much of that aspect in my own superhero books after about the first three, when the internal politics start getting more interesting than the external ones.
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    It's really the telepaths that are the greatest danger.

    If you can shoot lasers out of your ear people can *see* what's being done and who is doing it.
    Sure, you can probably take out a swat team but you know that if you become a problem the army is going to show up with snipers, poison gas, flamethrowers, or whatever it is you can't resist.

    Tony Stark said that you can't put soeone who flies under house arrest.
    Maybe, but you can shoot him down.

    How would you stop a telepath?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SockMonkey View Post
    How would you stop a telepath?
    Stop thinking?

    Certain members of the population will be very safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SockMonkey View Post
    How would you stop a telepath?
    A Haitian working for you seems to work in some cases.

    You didn't mention Heroes, but Hiro and Peter could fit what you're saying. About half the characters don't and half do, I'd say. Clare's forgivable, due to her age.

    Okay, now that I'm thinking about it, you're right, and pretty much everybody that gets good screentime in Heroes does it. Good thing I've got a month to forget this thought before the new eps air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swift View Post
    Stop thinking?

    Certain members of the population will be very safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Beardsley View Post
    Now I don't want you to take this the wrong way, but will you please please please stop yer whingeing!

    If having a superpower means you've got an ugly bulgy bit where your brain is oversized, or something like that, then I can understand your moaning. But if you are completely normal in appearance (and chances are you're better than normal-looking) then do us all a favour and stop complaining.

    I am sick of people from the likes of Mutant X or The X-Men going on and on about how everybody thinks they're a freak because they can levitate or see through walls or read minds or are unusually strong. Yeah, well boo-hoo. You don't see people with normal chromosomes going off on an angst trip just because they've got a bit of talent: "Oh why did God curse me by making me a virtuoso violinist?"

    Or are we meant to be impressed by the supposed irony? Or is it a way of keeping us norms in our place? "Wow, this woman is beautiful and she's got controllable telekinetic powers, and yet she's less happy than I am! Hey, perhaps I should be more content with my lot."

    Well I for one am not impressed.
    I think you'll find that if you strategically substiute a known, visible minority for mutant - such as "black" or "Hispanic" or "female", you'll discover you get into hot water very quickly. There's a good reason for this.


    But the biggest crime committed is the one you just did yourself. You've generalized. You think you can make one blanket statement that applies to all people that you think are groupable. "All you mutants do <x>..."

    You, Paul, expect that, in this conversation, you will be addressed as an individual person with a name: "Paul". You must do the same coutesy to your opponent(s).

    See, if I were to respond to you in the manner you have opened the discussion, I would resppnd with "all you posters are alike - you all think <y> ..."

    To which you would rightly respond "What? I never said all those things! That one was from Swift and that one was from SockMonkey! You can't lump me in with them!"

    To which I would respond "Excuse me, but I'll decide how you are grouped. I am free to ignore the (IMO) irrelevant differences you might have as an individual. I say, (because I categorize you by your gender), that ALL YOU MEN think the same way."


    See, the biggest crime is objectifying individuals - defining them by one characteristic (the colour of their skin, the bits that dangle between their legs, or the beams that shoot out of their eyes) - and then deciding that they can be dismissed on that characteristic with a single sweeping judgment.

    Mutants experience this all the time. And you have no idea what it's like.


    "You're a mutant. You'll melt me with your eyes! Mutie!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveC426913 View Post
    I think you'll find that if you strategically substiute a known, visible minority for mutant - such as "black" or "Hispanic" or "female", you'll discover you get into hot water very quickly. There's a good reason for this.


    But the biggest crime committed is the one you just did yourself. You've generalized. You think you can make one blanket statement that applies to all people that you think are groupable. "All you mutants do <x>..."
    Well I learned my lesson. I guess I just assumed Swift was a norm because he doesn't whinge about his superpowers...

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveC426913 View Post
    You, Paul, expect that, in this conversation, you will be addressed as an individual person with a name: "Paul". You must do the same coutesy to your opponent(s). [Snip]
    I take your point. If this had been a serious thread, I'd have used a "those of you who..." clause in the OP; that way, the individuals in question will be self-selected.

    In all seriousness, though, I think there are people (not you) who are way too sensitive, and way too eager to draw generalised inferences that simply are not there. But this has nothing to do with whingeing mutants...

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    All I have to say is that while I really don't give a bulldog's behind about mutants one way or the other, I feel really good about having picked up a wonderful new word: whingeing. Thanks, Paul.

    I figured that 'whining' must be a corruption of 'whingeing' but it turns out they have different roots in Old English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stutefish View Post
    How could we possibly defend ourselves against Magneto, if no mutant of good will and great power stepped forward to defend us?
    With sharp plastic? :P

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    Or plastic explosives.
    Seriously though, he's as vulnerable to germs, poisons, temperature, and spic foods as the next guy.

    BTW how do you pronounce "whingeing"?

    This happens once in a while where I'll be familliar with a particular term for years but never have occasion to use it outside of a chatroom and thus have no idea how it's actually said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SockMonkey View Post
    Or plastic explosives.
    Seriously though, he's as vulnerable to germs, poisons, temperature, and spic foods as the next guy.

    BTW how do you pronounce "whingeing"?

    This happens once in a while where I'll be familliar with a particular term for years but never have occasion to use it outside of a chatroom and thus have no idea how it's actually said.
    According to my dictionary plugin it's pronounced very much like hinge or cringe.

    As for Magneto, it's not that getting something to take him out would be so tough, it's that getting it TO him would be. Not only can there be no metal in the delivery system, there can be no metal near him that he could use as a shield of he knew the attack was coming. A poison tipped crossbow bolt fired from a composite crossbow would work wonders, but not if he just stand up a car in the path to block it.

    As for the OP, I have a mutant superhero in a game. She needs to focus on the memories of dead loved ones to use her powers. Is it okay if she's not thrilled?
    I'm Not Evil.
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    As for the OP, I have a mutant superhero in a game. She needs to focus on the memories of dead loved ones to use her powers. Is it okay if she's not thrilled?
    Who is she?

    I still like Jean Grey.
    We have the same name, wish I have her powers too.


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    Mine is named Mourning Angel and she's a character in a computer game. She's one of 50 or so that I have for the game, most of which have some sort of background story.
    I'm Not Evil.
    An evil person would do the things that pop into my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tog_ View Post
    As for the OP, I have a mutant superhero in a game. She needs to focus on the memories of dead loved ones to use her powers. Is it okay if she's not thrilled?
    I will allow that one, providing she maintains a degree of decorum.

    (Wow, that "allow" fills me with a sense of power! I feel like a moderator, but without the extra workload!)

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    Well Captain Alehouse is the best Super Hero. His Sidekick is called Beerstain and Lager Man is his nemesis!
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