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    Embryo Space Colonization - What if?

    The method I am referring to is that described here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embryo_space_colonization


    The premise I am considering is this. What if such an effort were undertaken, and when the autonomous robots (presumably with some measure of AI or sophisticated programming) arrive at the target planet, it is found to be inhabited...assuming they had sufficient intelligence to make the determination that the mission should continue, and that it should do so beneath detection by the native population - what form might the required mission elements take, under such conditions? How would such directives be carried out in that situation?

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    Its an old sci-fi concept.

    You should go track down some books that use it.

    The biggest problem is growing embryos to the point that they can live on their own and educated to starting another civilization.

    That and the fact that they probably wouldn't have any feelings toward 'Mother Earth' and Humankind when they have no real connection to our civilization.

    But as I said, its been done before by authors if you'd just go to the library...

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    You're asking us how a computer program would behave, when the behavior of said computer program would be determined by whomever sent the AI in the first place.

    You're asking us to tell you what someone else might program their software to do, you know that right?

    So the simple answer is; whatever it's programmed to.

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    If it were inhabitied by sentient beings, we should only do what they felt comfortable letting us (our robots) do. It should be accepted as a selfevident truth that they get first choice in deciding what changes to their world are acceptable.

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    Wow, I hadn't realized the idea of a thought experiment was so absurd.

    Note the use of the word 'might'...I'm not actually asking for clarification on the concept, nor for anyone to divine what such a hypothetical programmer would have done...the idea was for you thinking people to put forth your own ideas on possible ways such a mission could be carried out were the destination found to be populated.

    This was originally posted in a different subforum, perhaps it's relocation has removed a hint of where this thread was intended to go...guess we'll see if this is too obtuse for anyone to figure out.

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    Would that self-evident truth apply if the world the ship was the last of humanity, and on it was the repository of all human knowledge, without enough fuel to travel to another system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOURDHEAD View Post
    If it were inhabitied by sentient beings, we should only do what they felt comfortable letting us (our robots) do. It should be accepted as a selfevident truth that they get first choice in deciding what changes to their world are acceptable.
    For the sake of argument, let's assume we did not foresee the possibility that our robots would encounter a planet with existing intelligent life, and that such a moral judgement is beyond them. This may seem unlikely, but the history of aerospace and space exploration is full of such oversights.

    Consider the question in purely operational terms based on the mission objective and it's components.

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    You've changed the parameters of the question.

    In the OP it was inhabited and the robots had a choice to make. Now it's inhabited and the robots don't have the ability to choose.

    You need to further define "inhabited," does this planet have life, or intelligent life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOURDHEAD View Post
    If it were inhabitied by sentient beings, we should only do what they felt comfortable letting us (our robots) do. It should be accepted as a selfevident truth that they get first choice in deciding what changes to their world are acceptable.
    Why? That has never been a criteria for the expansion of any segment of human population. Why should it be different now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthrage View Post
    For the sake of argument, let's assume we did not foresee the possibility that our robots would encounter a planet with existing intelligent life, and that such a moral judgement is beyond them.
    The question of morality is never a matter of absolutes, but it is rather a matter of degree. IOW, there is no moral judgment involved. The only criteria is whether or not the risk outweighs the benefits.
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    Another roadblock is that life as we know it on this planet cannot survive without... ...life as we know it on this planet. We can't just scatter some seeds on the ground in a humid, temperate world and expect them to grow, as there way literally thousands of symbiotic relationships at work in any biosphere. One of the mistakes we keep making hear on Earth (Yellowstone is infamous for this) is that we should even try to "manage" or preserve any given area. Trying to do so visited disaster after disaster on Yellowstone.

    It's better to let nature run it's own course. It tends to be self-stabilizing that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugaliens View Post
    Another roadblock is that life as we know it on this planet cannot survive without... ...life as we know it on this planet. We can't just scatter some seeds on the ground in a humid, temperate world and expect them to grow, as there way literally thousands of symbiotic relationships at work in any biosphere.
    Assume the chosen planet has either been determined as liveable to humans, or terraformed by a highly advanced probe (and realistically, by the time we could build a series of robots qualified to raise kids, not to mention a starship that can keep human embryos alive while crossing interstellar space, a terraforming robot or robots won't be too much of a stretch. Well, maybe not.) ADDED: You could always send the terraformer first, then take the embryo ship on a longer relativistic route to let the planet germinate and diversify.

    Maybe a combo generation/cross-generation and embryo ship, that way the little tykes will have someone to raise them who actually has a pulse.
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    Try one of those woo-woo websites for information on alien protocols for deceptively taking over a planet.
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    Taking the question seriously, it would be fasinating if we could make robots so advand and life like that they could be the parents of the children,and infact if we could do that, maybe they could be replicas of the childrens real parents. As well, they would be taught both survivals skills and 'book learning', so they would have a continuity with our (whatever it is at that time) culture.

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