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    Princeton's EGGS - heating up again

    A little over two years ago, a discussion (http://www.bautforum.com/off-topic-b...bad-vibes.html) briefly touched on PEAR and the so-called Princeton EGGS. In a nutshell, they are 65 random number generators, scattered around the world which upload their numbers to a central server at Princeton University. The numbers are then analysed to determine their - uh - degree of reandomness and the results are correlated with significant events (i.e. world trade center attacks type significant events) to determine if a sort of human collective consciousness can alter the RNGs.

    A graphical interface to the EGGS is seen here:
    http://noosphere.princeton.edu/bskto...tobserver.html The project is described here: http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

    An examination of the 9-11 data is found here: http://noosphere.princeton.edu/terror.html

    The buzz on some boards, by those who monitor such things, is the EGGs are apparently deviating from random again. The question Princeton has yet to answer - is the experiment flawed or is something happening?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veeger View Post
    In a nutshell, they are 65 random number generators, scattered around the world which upload their numbers to a central server at Princeton University.
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    http://noosphere.princeton.edu/bskto...tobserver.html
    (Broken link.)

    Princeton PEAR:

    The Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) program, which flourished for nearly three decades under the aegis of Princeton University's School of Engineering and Applied Science, has completed its experimental agenda of studying the interaction of human consciousness with sensitive physical devices, systems, and processes, and developing complementary theoretical models to enable better understanding of the role of consciousness in the establishment of physical reality.
    Princeton closed the PEAR laboratory: press release.

    New York Times: A Princeton Lab on ESP Plans to Close Its Doors

    The closing will end one of the strangest tales in modern science, or science fiction, depending on one’s point of view. The laboratory has long had a strained relationship with the university. Many scientists have been openly dismissive of it.

    “It’s been an embarrassment to science, and I think an embarrassment for Princeton,” said Robert L. Park, a University of Maryland physicist who is the author of “Voodoo Science: The Road From Foolishness to Fraud.” “Science has a substantial amount of credibility, but this is the kind of thing that squanders it.”
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    I think the profanity filter is killing that link, as I see "****" in the URL. I tried to replace it with some common four letter words, but to no avail. Maybe you can spell out the filtered string using dashes or something.

    ETA: Must've misspelled the four letter world. It is indeed the world that starts with "sh" and ryhmes with bit.


    http://noosphere.princeton.edu/bskto...tobserver.html

    Remove the dashes.




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    Alas, I can not repair the link because it has an unfortunate word right in the middle of it:
    h$$p://noosphere.princeton.edu/bsktobsrv/ni%%%%h/basketobserver.html - if you replace the four %'s with a four letter word which starts with "sh" - you can link to a Java program which graphically and audibly displays the ongoing data collection.

    So if they officially closed research, they apparently have left the experiment to run on its own.

    eta: you must fix the h$$p as well (http).

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    Quote Originally Posted by publius View Post
    Remove the dashes.

    Same sort of thing
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    Yeah - its the same thing without the problematic link.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veeger View Post
    So if they officially closed research, they apparently have left the experiment to run on its own.
    "International Consciousness Research Laboratories" - ICRL maybe.

    Just don't paint it like the respected Princeton University is doing it. The PEAR project has done enough damage to the school.

    Edit: Looks like the "Global Consciousness Project" - GCP is the entity to blame. Wikipedia: Global Consciousness Project
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    “It’s been an embarrassment to science, and I think an embarrassment for Princeton,” said Robert L. Park, a University of Maryland physicist who is the author of “Voodoo Science: The Road From Foolishness to Fraud.” “Science has a substantial amount of credibility, but this is the kind of thing that squanders it.”
    Quote Originally Posted by 01101001 View Post
    Just don't paint it like the respected Princeton University is doing it. The PEAR project has done enough damage to the school.

    Edit: Looks like the "Global Consciousness Project" - GCP is the entity to blame. Wikipedia: Global Consciousness Project
    I'm surprised Princeton is still allowing their server to be accessed for a discredited program. Looks like Robert Jahn may have found a way to turn EGGS into a nest egg if he can get enough donations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veeger View Post
    I'm surprised Princeton is still allowing their server to be accessed for a discredited program. Looks like Robert Jahn may have found a way to turn EGGS into a nest egg if he can get enough donations.
    Maybe it's just a case of hands-tied academic freedom, where the university cannot proscribe the activities of a dean emeritus. Maybe Princeton's policies even require them to provide the web hosting, and other infrastructure support, for such ideas regardless of their wackiness factor.
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